Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Hand-waving away balance issues because of something wikipedia says isn't a good answer either, though. Not to say tanks are overpowered, just that people have complaints for a reason. The issues don't materialize in a vacuum. The sensible answer would be to accept the complaints people have and judge them fairly. Although it's great that Dust isn't the same as other FPS games, it doesn't absolve CCP of the responsibility to make a good, fun game.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Very simple....

If a corp wants to fund a bajillion tanks, fine. Its coming out of their wallet.

If you dont like how tanks kill infantry so easily, fine. Go look up 'tank" on wikipedia.

If you dont like how some guy keeps killing you with X or Y weapon, fine. Its not called imbalanced, its called losing to a guy with a proper counter to your current fitting/tactics/play style.

If you think EVE wont last because its not COD, fine. You underestimate CCP, their staying power, and what this game is about.

If you dont like any of these points or dont like the fact that the meta game will have a profound impact on the way this game is played, fine. Unfortunately, this game isnt for you, nor will it change to mimic what you want. CCP has a vision for their baby and they will see it through. Please go find another game as there are many others which would suit your likings much better.

You dont have to feel bad about it, Dust 514 just isnt for you...

(Dust 514 is everything ive ever hoped for in a game and ill be damned if some of the narrow-minded run-n-guns turn it into another COD...I have faith in CCP tho)

will you join my 'land before time' corp.

I'm recruiting dinosaurs

Very simple....

If a corp wants to fund a bajillion tanks, fine. Its coming out of their wallet.

If you dont like how tanks kill infantry so easily, fine. Go look up 'tank" on wikipedia.

If you dont like how some guy keeps killing you with X or Y weapon, fine. Its not called imbalanced, its called losing to a guy with a proper counter to your current fitting/tactics/play style.

If you think EVE wont last because its not COD, fine. You underestimate CCP, their staying power, and what this game is about.

If you dont like any of these points or dont like the fact that the meta game will have a profound impact on the way this game is played, fine. Unfortunately, this game isnt for you, nor will it change to mimic what you want. CCP has a vision for their baby and they will see it through. Please go find another game as there are many others which would suit your likings much better.

You dont have to feel bad about it, Dust 514 just isnt for you...

(Dust 514 is everything ive ever hoped for in a game and ill be damned if some of the narrow-minded run-n-guns turn it into another COD...I have faith in CCP tho)

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I'm in agreement here. Even if you can't take a tank out with a swarm launcher or forge gun, making them run off to do repairs is just as good. It's location denial. There aren't that many matches that I was in where HAV and dropships took over the map. The only time that happened was when the whole group didn't change their fits to take out the vehicles. Guess what happened? They didn't adapt and they died often complaining how they were losing there 100K suit fits to a Sagaris rail gun. Either they will learn how to counter what's out there are they will continue dieing and complaining.

Ackie, you brought up Iraq :)

No, there were 120 in the initial invasion. Only one loss has been recorded, from friendly fire, and only one has been seriously damaged. The "seriously damaged" one was from a shaped IED, and it blew three of the driver's toes off and caused minor injuries to another crew member.

This was in Iraq, where it was ******'s elite guard who were trying to blow up the tank, not the taliban. There are plenty of real world examples where adaptive, ceramic armor is trumping a lot of anti-tank weapons.

It's not all about destroying them. It's about area denial, which is what a lot of explosives are used for in warfare. It's not just about killing people. RE's are meant to be for area denial, missile launchers (on vehicles) are used for area denial, forcing infantry to run for cover... Similarly, AV is used for area denial on vehicles. Sure, it can kill, but you can easily drive something away from where they want to be, towards where you want them to be. If you keep one still for ten minutes, that's half the match that the tank has done nothing.

Edit: har, his name's been bleeped out. Didn't know that it would do that.

They should look at tanks. 3 marauder is instant win if you have 3 people who will cap an objective.

Another note for those complaining of balance issues. CCP's official stance is that PvP is inherently imbalanced (see one of the fanfest videos, I believe the DUST keynote speech, although it could have been another), so they decided to give the player the ability to influence this inherent imbalance in their favor through skills, fittings, the metagame, superior resources, etc. CCP doesn't care about game balance in the micro equation. They are only concerned about the macro, that the game is balanced when all its parts are added together. This balancing act is always ongoing, because of the tools that CCP gives us.

Something that was fine a few months ago can become a threat to the macro balance because someone found a new way to use old stuff, or because something that seemed completely unrelated had an unanticipated ripple effect. For CCP, balance becomes an issue only when a given tactic or fitting is so dominant that the only realistic way to achieve victory is to use it. If it came to the point that the only way to win a match was to have four fully fit and manned Sagaris tanks on your team, and no other tactic had a realistic chance at victory, they would take a look at tanks.

They should look at tanks. 3 marauder is instant win if you have 3 people who will cap an objective.

Did you read my comment a few posts before yours? I've been in a game with 3 Marauders on the other team, and we not only won, but we took one of them out while doing so.

Cautious tanks are hard to kill, but the more cautious they are, the less useful they are to the objective. Coordinated AV can eliminate tanks from the equation pretty quickly.

So do tell me what the counter to it. Because your anecdotes about team work don't cut it. I killed a SURYA driving a SICA 1vs1 My story is better.

Now, I still don't see how you can argue... 3 Sagaris occupied your whole team. You didn't win. They lost. You killed 1. Gz.

Any marauder can kill the entire AV group in about 5 seconds. Half the time it would take to kill or seriously damage the HAV. Note that Gunloggi's can soak pretty much the same amount of damage. The problem isn't killing Marauders, it's killing them before they kill you and your whole team.

7 people to kill 1. Gz. Tanks aren't OP at all ;)

7 people to kill 1. Gz. Tanks aren't OP at all ;)

7 people to kill 1 tank WITH 3 PEOPLE IN IT, and 5 or so infantry who were also nearby.

Sounds fair to me.

I love getting 3 dings when I kill a tank. Most I ever got though was killing a dropship. 5 kills 1 forge gun shot. Heh I never get discouraged when the enemy fields lots of vehicles. Hell I'll go suicide in my proto AR fit just to switch to AV cause I know I'll make at least 300K at the end of the match.

I hate cod

I hate cod

I hate cod

I run around on type 1 2 scout or A assault for the proto swarm and complex damagers - I have over 22m in ISK i cant spend. I dont care about equipment loss. It goes up no matter how much i die in game

Even on a good round, I barely break even if I loose my tank, meaning I'm always cash strapped, saving up for the next one, ye there you are, obviously an amateur, barely being able to do what other AV guys do so well, and yet you are swimming in cash, making much more per round than you put in.

every complaint people have about tanks is irrelevant since we are in beta WHICH MEANS

no orbital strikes, mtacs, vtols, artillery, etc......in game yet

how are you gonna feel when you attack a funded corporation and they throw money at you in order to keep their planets?

7 people to kill 1. Gz. Tanks aren't OP at all ;)

So you should be able to solo it with your AR then? This isn't COD, it is a byproduct of EvE, where a frigate is NOT going to solo a Carrier, so a solo soldier should not be able to take down a tank.

Probably won't bother thanks. But that's ok because EvE corps are pussies who hardly attack each other.
Factional war will be where it's at.
Edit: most EvE corps that is. I am making huge generalisations with that statement.

More kills in 1 game of MAG than in a full day of EvE. It's because your ISk, and your ships mean so much to you. Which is fair enough for EvE players.
Edit: more to EvE than face shooting too.

EVE is unique especially because ships cost as much as they do, and unlike lesser games, we don't just respawn free of charge.

More kills in 1 game of MAG than in a full day of EvE.

Give up trying to reason with EvEtards. More ships were killed by NPC's in high sec than died in PvP null sec.

Evetards just want to camp in vehicles like they do they do in eve. I hate to break it to you. This is not eve. You might actually have to use your gun.

Actually my point was that null sec is full of lame arses. Your stats say that too. Just tally up the high and low sec kills. My point was I have very little time for playing dust to please some one who claims all other games are "lesser games"

Lurchasaurus, take your head out of the sand sometime.
And stop telling people to play other games. We do already.

[ This is not eve.

It was the same game you were in. And what you throughout that game was orgasm about that tank and say I have to message the guy and find out his build.

My point stands. Null sec will be lame as a Dust Merc.

Not really. Hi sec corps have billions too. Null sec is just full of people like your self who think ISK actually matters to people. Guess what the stress test showed? Out of around 20k people who were bothered enough to get a code, and the untold numbers of temp keys less than 5% showed up. No-one cares about ISK or SP.They want a good fun game. Fighting againt 50000 marauders isn't fun. Really, I'll be making plenty of ISK in hisec. Money won't have me working for arrogant idiot EvE players. I think you'll find your OP is exactly the attitude I'm referring to.
"your going to get outclassed, out gunned and out supplied, so FO and play CoD if you don't want to be an EvEtards *****"
Get real yeah?

If you think I play for 1 day, check the leaderboards. You were about 3-4 spots below me last I checked. But yeah, I'm playing other games and having bbq's.
Because it's tiring leadin the blind.

The boards are just an easy way to check who actually plays.
I fixed a gunloggi. 16-0 16-0 16-0 for me and both other guys. Militia swarm (I assume) did 13% shield damage. Tanks are OP. having an infinate supply facing you is not fun. Get over it. I don't see why you keep posting stuff which has nothing to do with your own topic

Like I say, it's tiring leading the blind. Hop out of your tank sometime, get some perspective.