Not that I don't think they have a place in the game, just don't ask me to drive or be your gunner. I feel i'm more useful running around with a gun.

Anyone else just feel like a waste in a vehicle?

Sorry... but have you not herd DUST is the PS3 version of TANK WARS

Tanks are not OP. They are just pretty hard to kill. With a little group effort, and not a whole lot of that even, they die pretty easily.

Not that I don't think they have a place in the game, just don't ask me to drive or be your gunner. I feel i'm more useful running around with a gun.

Anyone else just feel like a waste in a vehicle?

Every time I jump in a tank I think to myself "wait a minute I can run faster then this'. Then I jump out.

I will let the people with no gun game sit in the tanks.

And I'll let the people with no tank skills and abilities run around, playing cannon fodder.

And I'll let the people with no tank skills and abilities run around, playing cannon fodder.

You don't need tank skills to kill someone with a tank. Ive tried. You need gun game and skill to kill someone with a gun.

Militia tanks don't count. And I am hoping that they will fix the current bug that allows unskilled players to enter vehicles.

That said, it does take skill to survive in a tank. And even then we can fail, partially because of mistakes, partially because of bugs, and partially because infantry DO cooperate at times.

Good working mouse and keyboard man just wait till next build.

Tanks are not OP. They are just pretty hard to kill. With a little group effort, and not a whole lot of that even, they die pretty easily.

That is the problem. You need group effort to take out 1 tank, while a tank can take out a group with no effort. Not really balanced...... Especially when I put 3 proto av grenades and 10 REs into one and it doesn't even get half the shield down.....

I think the OP was stating that a skilled killer is more useful to the team on the ground killing and taking objectives rather than sitting in a tank. Which is why I stay out of tanks, anyone that can consistently put up 20+ kills with a gun should not be a vehicle gunner.

I think the OP was stating that a skilled killer is more useful to the team on the ground killing and taking objectives rather than sitting in a tank. Which is why I stay out of tanks, anyone that can consistently put up 20+ kills with a gun should not be a vehicle gunner.

Thanks Carlos.

I had a dropship pilot yell at me the other day because I didn't want to gun for him. I told him I'm more useful running around with my AR then I would be flying as a gunner.

Dude responds "pffft good luck getting kills"


I don't care how easy or hard it is to take down a tank rather I'm looking for people who share this sentiment.

The sentiment of "I'll go 30-1 without your stupid turret. let someone who is more vulnerable get in that vehicle"

No. tanks are not being used as they should, because AV weapons kill us too fast if we do.

DEFENCE = Mobile artillery = having to stand your ground and protect an objective while it is being taken. IF a tanks does that, a forge gun or a swarm launcer kill us very fast, ergo tanks are being relegated to rolling infantry, and trust me, that is only fun for so long.

First off, most AV weapons take no skill, or very little of it. Second, they are either overpowered, or the tanks are under armoured. A standing tank is soon a dead tank.

AV weapons are not overpowered.

The AV weapons do that much damage because of how overpowered the deathtanks are.

It balances itself out.

If you want to camp in an overpowered tank then you are going to die to overpowered AV weapons. Get over it.

5 RE do not do 10K damage

Actually, now that I looked, we have no idea how much they do. I mistook them for the non standard AV grenade, which DO make in excess of 2k HP damage per blast.

But the RE damage is not stated. Anywhere.

What they DO have though, is a 500 meter blast radius.

FIVE HUNDRED METERS??????

I look at it this way:
If I think a particular tank is being a nuisance I switch to my AV load-out until the tank either pops or its driver decides to run away like the sissy he is (he's the one bringing 300k ISK of armor and guns to a fight against 10k dropsuits). If he thinks I'm being a nuisance he always has the option to switch to his anti-infantry load-out and come after me. So there's always balance for anyone looking for balance. Just don't expect you scissor to beat both rock and paper.

Actually, now that I looked, we have no idea how much they do. I mistook them for the non standard AV grenade, which DO make in excess of 2k HP damage per blast.

But the RE damage is not stated. Anywhere.

What they DO have though, is a 500 meter blast radius.

FIVE HUNDRED METERS??????

You know what Jak? Calling tank driver sissies for doing the only thing they can to save their tank, go for cover, is not constructive. And who's the sissy for not being ballsy enough to actually take a risk?

Let me guess. you are also one of those A******* who then turn arousd calling tank drivers idiots for just "sitting there, dying"?

Never mind. I've given up pleasing idiots.

You know what Jak? Calling tank driver sissies for doing the only thing they can to save their tank, go for cover, is not constructive. And who's the sissy for not being ballsy enough to actually take a risk?

Let me guess. you are also one of those A******* who then turn arousd calling tank drivers idiots for just "sitting there, dying"?

Never mind. I've given up pleasing idiots.

Because hiding in 17k of hp with the ability to regen like 5k is what people with balls do. Take a 100K assault/logi loadout girl, that's a risk. Because any tank can 1-2 shot me. But Helmar help you if you ever leave your tank ;)

(I don't mean this post to come across sexist, we all know Jenza has mad balls lol)

Every time I jump in a tank I think to myself "wait a minute I can run faster then this'. Then I jump out.

I will let the people with no gun game sit in the tanks.

I drive a Surya. it does NOT have 17k EHP. Neither does the Sagaris, unless it fits every ounce of CPU and power on shield tanking, with very little left for guns.

I think my EHP is a little under 10k actually. And if I don't manade to coax my armour repairer to work in time, a Proto Forge Gun will kill it is three shots (one did today) The armour repairer activation glitched. Again.

Actually, now that I looked, we have no idea how much they do. I mistook them for the non standard AV grenade, which DO make in excess of 2k HP damage per blast.

But the RE damage is not stated. Anywhere.

What they DO have though, is a 500 meter blast radius.

FIVE HUNDRED METERS??????

Its more like 5.

1 RE is near 1000 damage. I have seen heavies survive 1 before. Barely, but still alive. Guy was speced into armor and Shields cause most heavies die from the RE.

Would like to know the specific damage tho lol.

And yea petree I usually go 30-1 with my creo, don't dirty myself with easy OHK vehicles. (nothing against dust, I don't like the vehicles in starhawk either cause they are lol OHK on infantry vehicles too)

Not that I don't think they have a place in the game, just don't ask me to drive or be your gunner. I feel i'm more useful running around with a gun.

Anyone else just feel like a waste in a vehicle?

Not that I don't think they have a place in the game, just don't ask me to drive or be your gunner. I feel i'm more useful running around with a gun.

Anyone else just feel like a waste in a vehicle?

Everybody plays a role.

If yours is better as a foot mobile, then kudos to you.

You will be an asset to whom ever you decide to align yourself with.


I however quite enjoy driving vehicles, in any game, so I will definitely concentrate my efforts on tanks and other vehicles.
I enjoy being a force multiplier in a right situation

Also tank reverse needs it's X axis reversed.

You should play this instead of dust.

Why ? He has every right to be here as you do.... New Eden will not and should not discriminate against any playstyle be it Infantry , Tank , AV trooper, or Starship Captain . This is universal war and we will use EVERYTHING in our disposal to win the war . Want simple death match go play in the tourney's when they come out .

It's a little depressing how much more SP I get gunning for tanks than running around using the skills I've trained up.

I was hit with a crazy bad case of lag last night and had to ride it out in a tank turret. Ended up being my best game of the evening.

Now I'm thinking they need to tweak the kill assist system for vehicle passengers. Why should the turrets get +25 for every kill the driver makes? I think it should be +25 to the driver for everything his crew does, and +15 for the crew's "assists".

Thanks Carlos.

I had a dropship pilot yell at me the other day because I didn't want to gun for him. I told him I'm more useful running around with my AR then I would be flying as a gunner.

Dude responds "pffft good luck getting kills"

You should play world of tanks instead of dust.

That is why you will see me at the top of the rankings of the Arena Battles.

tanks are fine
l2p

While those of us that matter will be nowhere near arenas, instead choosing to take strategic wins over symbolic.

You really believe every single battle you play will be about territorial control or some type of EVE involvement?

SPACE IS SRS BIZNESS

This is our lives

To quote someone I know



Very serious stuff

That is the problem. You need group effort to take out 1 tank, while a tank can take out a group with no effort. Not really balanced...... Especially when I put 3 proto av grenades and 10 REs into one and it doesn't even get half the shield down.....

Not that I don't think they have a place in the game, just don't ask me to drive or be your gunner. I feel i'm more useful running around with a gun.

Anyone else just feel like a waste in a vehicle?

For those claiming that tanks should require team effort to take down:

When do we non-pilots get access to such super weapons? I mean I don't see any Portable-nukes for AV-builds or super bullet shields or armor regen for assaults or scouts in the marketplace.

See the problem?

Besides a tank pilot doesn't reap the benefits from this alone as he and two of his friends can join him on his low-risk high reward slaughter fest.

I, personally, am not the best at shooting. I'm competent, and at times I can pull off some impressive moments, but in general, I prefer to run support.

As a result, my K/D is hovering around the 0.3 mark, but I'm fine with that. When I ride in a vehicle, I'm a gunner who doubles as a repper between cooldowns. Tank gets hit hard, we fall back, and I boost the repair process.

and thats the role you shall play! corps are gonna need people to just sit and blast away in gunner seats.

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A well-fitted Heavy with a Prototype Forge Gun does higher damage per shot than a Tank.

Swarm Launchers can be pretty insanely nasty if you're good with them.

So yeah, we DO get super-destructive AV weapons.

When non-specialist AV players are saying that tanks are OP, and most tank users are complaining that AV is OP, I'm pretty sure the balance is about where it should be.

None of the things you mentioned makes Prototype AV weapons super-destructive. You'll still need a dozen shots with with Prototype forge gun to take down a well equipped tank. Prototype Swarm launcher is pretty much a joke against the top-tier tanks with correct fittings.

and yes I am playing av-specialist (Grendror)

You may not necessarily KILL every tank you fight, but area denial is more important than destruction when it comes to vehicles. If you're good, tanks that stay where you don't want them die, and tanks that don't die stay away from the place you want to control. Either of these counts towards a victory.

Some do, some don't.

The quality of tanks seems to vary quite a lot, some of them seem to be made from paper and some of them don't even flinch when you throw swarms and AV-nades against them.

If you're lone AV guy, and the other team has more than one tank, then your teammates are idiots.

A well-fitted tank will cost easily 10 times your wel-fitted AV Dropsuit.

Oh really do they now?
How do you think I could make my fitting 10 times more expensive?

You do realize that no other builds than pilots even have the option to shed out that much money for something equally powerful?

Millions of isk just keep piling away with nothing to spend it on

Its rock paper scissors people!

Except every game I play is dominated by a few top tier HAV's. (nearly every game, I had 1 good one last night with mad infantry fights.)