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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:28:00 -
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Jak Teston wrote:I look at it this way: If I think a particular tank is being a nuisance I switch to my AV load-out until the tank either pops or its driver decides to run away like the sissy he is (he's the one bringing 300k ISK of armor and guns to a fight against 10k dropsuits). If he thinks I'm being a nuisance he always has the option to switch to his anti-infantry load-out and come after me. So there's always balance for anyone looking for balance. Just don't expect you scissor to beat both rock and paper.
You know what Jak? Calling tank driver sissies for doing the only thing they can to save their tank, go for cover, is not constructive. And who's the sissy for not being ballsy enough to actually take a risk?
Let me guess. you are also one of those A******* who then turn arousd calling tank drivers idiots for just "sitting there, dying"?
Never mind. I've given up pleasing idiots. |
Winscar Shinobi
50
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:31:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:5 RE do not do 10K damage Actually, now that I looked, we have no idea how much they do. I mistook them for the non standard AV grenade, which DO make in excess of 2k HP damage per blast. But the RE damage is not stated. Anywhere. What they DO have though, is a 500 meter blast radius. FIVE HUNDRED METERS??????
1 RE is near 1000 damage. I have seen heavies survive 1 before. Barely, but still alive. Guy was speced into armor and Shields cause most heavies die from the RE.
Would like to know the specific damage tho lol.
And yea petree I usually go 30-1 with my creo, don't dirty myself with easy OHK vehicles. (nothing against dust, I don't like the vehicles in starhawk either cause they are lol OHK on infantry vehicles too) |
Jak Teston
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:32:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:You know what Jak? Calling tank driver sissies for doing the only thing they can to save their tank, go for cover, is not constructive. And who's the sissy for not being ballsy enough to actually take a risk?
Let me guess. you are also one of those A******* who then turn arousd calling tank drivers idiots for just "sitting there, dying"?
Never mind. I've given up pleasing idiots.
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:52:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Jak Teston wrote:I look at it this way: If I think a particular tank is being a nuisance I switch to my AV load-out until the tank either pops or its driver decides to run away like the sissy he is (he's the one bringing 300k ISK of armor and guns to a fight against 10k dropsuits). If he thinks I'm being a nuisance he always has the option to switch to his anti-infantry load-out and come after me. So there's always balance for anyone looking for balance. Just don't expect you scissor to beat both rock and paper. You know what Jak? Calling tank driver sissies for doing the only thing they can to save their tank, go for cover, is not constructive. And who's the sissy for not being ballsy enough to actually take a risk? Let me guess. you are also one of those A******* who then turn arousd calling tank drivers idiots for just "sitting there, dying"? Never mind. I've given up pleasing idiots.
Because hiding in 17k of hp with the ability to regen like 5k is what people with balls do. Take a 100K assault/logi loadout girl, that's a risk. Because any tank can 1-2 shot me. But Helmar help you if you ever leave your tank ;)
(I don't mean this post to come across sexist, we all know Jenza has mad balls lol) |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:56:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Because hiding in 17k of hp with the ability to regen like 5k is what people with balls do. Take a 100K assault/logi loadout girl, that's a risk. Because any tank can 1-2 shot me. But Helmar help you if you ever leave your tank ;)
(I don't mean this post to come across sexist, we all know Jenza has mad balls lol)
I drive a Surya. it does NOT have 17k EHP. Neither does the Sagaris, unless it fits every ounce of CPU and power on shield tanking, with very little left for guns.
I think my EHP is a little under 10k actually. And if I don't manade to coax my armour repairer to work in time, a Proto Forge Gun will kill it is three shots (one did today) The armour repairer activation glitched. Again. |
Arcushek Dion
Doomheim
73
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:10:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Not that I don't think they have a place in the game, just don't ask me to drive or be your gunner. I feel i'm more useful running around with a gun.
Anyone else just feel like a waste in a vehicle? Every time I jump in a tank I think to myself "wait a minute I can run faster then this'. Then I jump out. I will let the people with no gun game sit in the tanks.
says the guy who spams RE nonstop. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:13:00 -
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Learn to fit. Why do you think the top tankers all come from EvE? Because their tanks are better than other peoples. Because they fit them properly, and have the right skills maxed out. Seriously at 10k ehp I wouldn't bother. You will die in a single mag from a forge gun. That's ugly. Get 7k, with 50% resist and a heavy rep. You'll suddenly find yourself indestructible (with good gunners). |
Gelan Corbaine
BetaMax.
103
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:16:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Because hiding in 17k of hp with the ability to regen like 5k is what people with balls do. Take a 100K assault/logi loadout girl, that's a risk. Because any tank can 1-2 shot me. But Helmar help you if you ever leave your tank ;)
(I don't mean this post to come across sexist, we all know Jenza has mad balls lol) I drive a Surya. it does NOT have 17k EHP. Neither does the Sagaris, unless it fits every ounce of CPU and power on shield tanking, with very little left for guns. I think my EHP is a little under 10k actually. And if I don't manade to coax my armour repairer to work in time, a Proto Forge Gun will kill it is three shots (one did today) The armour repairer activation glitched. Again.
Hey you know how hard it was chasing you down ? Heavy is not made for running let me tell ya . |
VigSniper101
204
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:17:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:5 RE do not do 10K damage Actually, now that I looked, we have no idea how much they do. I mistook them for the non standard AV grenade, which DO make in excess of 2k HP damage per blast. But the RE damage is not stated. Anywhere. What they DO have though, is a 500 meter blast radius.
FIVE HUNDRED METERS??????
Its more like 5. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:18:00 -
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VigSniper101 wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:5 RE do not do 10K damage Actually, now that I looked, we have no idea how much they do. I mistook them for the non standard AV grenade, which DO make in excess of 2k HP damage per blast. But the RE damage is not stated. Anywhere. What they DO have though, is a 500 meter blast radius.
FIVE HUNDRED METERS?????? Its more like 5.
Check the attributes on RE's. it does say 500m :) And I agree, it is probably a typo. |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.26 17:35:00 -
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To keep things on topic lets see why infantry killers are much less common than HAV killers. 1.) weapons. HAV kills all, infantry kills other infantry in general (yes there's AV players too I know) 2.) health. HAV can rapidly get 10k ehp. My Proto Assaut guys doesn't even have 1000 ehp. 3.) objectives. HAV drivers won't cap objectives unless they have far too much ISK. Even then, on principle it is an infantry job. 4.) 1.5 damage multiplier makes missile launchers into instagib rockets. 5.) you can't headshot an HAV.
If you are good as an assault/scout/logi, stock with it. HAV is ez mode. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.07.26 18:45:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:Dewie Cheecham wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:5 RE do not do 10K damage Actually, now that I looked, we have no idea how much they do. I mistook them for the non standard AV grenade, which DO make in excess of 2k HP damage per blast. But the RE damage is not stated. Anywhere. What they DO have though, is a 500 meter blast radius. FIVE HUNDRED METERS?????? 1 RE is near 1000 damage. I have seen heavies survive 1 before. Barely, but still alive. Guy was speced into armor and Shields cause most heavies die from the RE. Would like to know the specific damage tho lol. And yea petree I usually go 30-1 with my creo, don't dirty myself with easy OHK vehicles. (nothing against dust, I don't like the vehicles in starhawk either cause they are lol OHK on infantry vehicles too)
It one shots heavies with over 1900 health. So 2000 damage or even 2500 sounds necessary to pull that off. |
fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
212
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Posted - 2012.07.26 19:08:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Not that I don't think they have a place in the game, just don't ask me to drive or be your gunner. I feel i'm more useful running around with a gun.
Anyone else just feel like a waste in a vehicle?
Depends on the driver. |
Milk Supreme
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
127
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Posted - 2012.07.26 19:12:00 -
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Everybody plays a role.
If yours is better as a foot mobile, then kudos to you.
You will be an asset to whom ever you decide to align yourself with.
I however quite enjoy driving vehicles, in any game, so I will definitely concentrate my efforts on tanks and other vehicles. I enjoy being a force multiplier in a right situation
Also tank reverse needs it's X axis reversed. |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.07.26 19:27:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Not that I don't think they have a place in the game, just don't ask me to drive or be your gunner. I feel i'm more useful running around with a gun.
Anyone else just feel like a waste in a vehicle? Feel the same yo |
STB-stlcarlos989 EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
936
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:04:00 -
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Milk Supreme wrote:Everybody plays a role.
If yours is better as a foot mobile, then kudos to you.
You will be an asset to whom ever you decide to align yourself with.
I however quite enjoy driving vehicles, in any game, so I will definitely concentrate my efforts on tanks and other vehicles. I enjoy being a force multiplier in a right situation
Also tank reverse needs it's X axis reversed.
You should play this instead of dust. |
Gelan Corbaine
BetaMax.
103
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:28:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:Milk Supreme wrote:Everybody plays a role.
If yours is better as a foot mobile, then kudos to you.
You will be an asset to whom ever you decide to align yourself with.
I however quite enjoy driving vehicles, in any game, so I will definitely concentrate my efforts on tanks and other vehicles. I enjoy being a force multiplier in a right situation
Also tank reverse needs it's X axis reversed. You should play this instead of dust.
Why ? He has every right to be here as you do.... New Eden will not and should not discriminate against any playstyle be it Infantry , Tank , AV trooper, or Starship Captain . This is universal war and we will use EVERYTHING in our disposal to win the war . Want simple death match go play in the tourney's when they come out . |
STB-stlcarlos989 EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
936
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:35:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:Milk Supreme wrote:Everybody plays a role.
If yours is better as a foot mobile, then kudos to you.
You will be an asset to whom ever you decide to align yourself with.
I however quite enjoy driving vehicles, in any game, so I will definitely concentrate my efforts on tanks and other vehicles. I enjoy being a force multiplier in a right situation
Also tank reverse needs it's X axis reversed. You should play this instead of dust. Why ? He has every right to be here as you do.... New Eden will not and should not discriminate against any playstyle be it Infantry , Tank , AV trooper, or Starship Captain . This is universal war and we will use EVERYTHING in our disposal to win the war . Want simple death match go play in the tourney's when they come out .
That is why you will see me at the top of the rankings of the Arena Battles. |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:05:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:It's a little depressing how much more SP I get gunning for tanks than running around using the skills I've trained up.
I was hit with a crazy bad case of lag last night and had to ride it out in a tank turret. Ended up being my best game of the evening.
Now I'm thinking they need to tweak the kill assist system for vehicle passengers. Why should the turrets get +25 for every kill the driver makes? I think it should be +25 to the driver for everything his crew does, and +15 for the crew's "assists".
Yeah pilots who paid for the skills and are risking the vehicle should get the lion's share of the benefit, unless they're also trained pilots in a pilot suit or something.
I've had games where I've kept an Eryx alive the entire game, my gunner was #2 for kills, and I left the game with 0/0 and 60k SP (which included the booster bonus). He had probably triple that. |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:16:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:I think the OP was stating that a skilled killer is more useful to the team on the ground killing and taking objectives rather than sitting in a tank. Which is why I stay out of tanks, anyone that can consistently put up 20+ kills with a gun should not be a vehicle gunner. Thanks Carlos. I had a dropship pilot yell at me the other day because I didn't want to gun for him. I told him I'm more useful running around with my AR then I would be flying as a gunner. Dude responds "pffft good luck getting kills"
As a dropship pilot, he was being selfish and dumb. He just wanted you to gun for him so he could fly. I get his desire, but if everyone was in vehicles, nothing would get capped.
I love vehicles, and I love killing vehicles, but infantry need their role. Right now we don't have enough AV to thin out the vehicle swarms.
I'm hoping that changes coming will both reduce vehicles and help infantry take part in the AV fight with the new AV grenades.
I may pick on infantry often, but I do value and respect your role. I don't want world of tanks.
PS: I still see you guys consistently out-killing everyone. |
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Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:23:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:Milk Supreme wrote:Everybody plays a role.
If yours is better as a foot mobile, then kudos to you.
You will be an asset to whom ever you decide to align yourself with.
I however quite enjoy driving vehicles, in any game, so I will definitely concentrate my efforts on tanks and other vehicles. I enjoy being a force multiplier in a right situation
You should play world of tanks instead of dust.
Biased a little? |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:49:00 -
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This escalated quickly and went horribly off-topic.
As for anyone who wants an actual survivable Sagaris fit that has more then a mere 10K or 15K EHP, post and ask in the Gurista faction forum and I'll give you fits ranging from general purpose 17K to ones approaching 30K (with real guns).
Regardless, I think that anyone who can drive a vehicle smart should stick with vehicles most of the time but also experiment with infantry, and anyone who is a phenomenal infantryman should stick with playing an infantryman as the team. Do what makes you happy, and honestly I am glad that the Original poster likes playing Infantry more then gunning as I do consider him significantly more useful capping on foot then acting as a gunner. |
Tien TheSecond
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
198
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:09:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: That is why you will see me at the top of the rankings of the Arena Battles.
While those of us that matter will be nowhere near arenas, instead choosing to take strategic wins over symbolic.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:11:00 -
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I really don't understand this mentality running rampant in this thread.
Apparently some people think using vehicles is the "wrong" way to play the game, and some people think that only playing Arena and ignoring the EVE turf battles is also "wrong." Last I checked if you are having fun without breaking any rules then you are doing it right... Right?
Am I to start making snide remarks to anyone not using a Scrambler pistol and instead using sissy ARs because they can't get consistent Headshots with the scramblers and have to crutch on automatic weapons? I think not... |
Ayures0
259
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:19:00 -
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tanks are fine l2p |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:20:00 -
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Ayures0 wrote:tanks are fine l2p As a marauder driver, I really do think that while the prices on the fragile basic tanks are fine, the marauders need a severe price hike (which they will receive anyways). |
STB-stlcarlos989 EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
936
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:25:00 -
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Tien TheSecond wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: That is why you will see me at the top of the rankings of the Arena Battles.
While those of us that matter will be nowhere near arenas, instead choosing to take strategic wins over symbolic.
You really believe every single battle you play will be about territorial control or some type of EVE involvement? |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.07.27 00:34:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:Tien TheSecond wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: That is why you will see me at the top of the rankings of the Arena Battles.
While those of us that matter will be nowhere near arenas, instead choosing to take strategic wins over symbolic. You really believe every single battle you play will be about territorial control or some type of EVE involvement?
SPACE IS SRS BIZNESS |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.27 01:35:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:SPACE IS SRS BIZNESS
To quote someone I know
Ecko wrote:This is our lives
Very serious stuff |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.07.27 01:39:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:SPACE IS SRS BIZNESS To quote someone I know Ecko wrote:This is our lives Very serious stuff That's to ******* funny.
+1
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