Laser Rifles?

Electronic Warfare?

Social Functions?

Type III suits?

Skill Clusers?

Vtol Fighter?

Minmatar LAV?

Command Modules?

Command Dropsuit?

Pilot Dropsuit?

Skill Adjustments?

Module/Weapon Adjustments?

But once you select a spawn point from overview, you'll spawn within 2 seconds by default (so the total wait is still 10 seconds)

Actually I'm a little worried by this. How are we going to be able to disarm the objectives now (and hack the CRU's as well). It won't be enough to have one guy covering their spawnpoint while you hack, since spawns will be more random.

Either increase the spawn timer to 5 seconds (while either keeping the mandatory bleedout timer at 8 seconds or lower that to 5 seconds) or make it so you can't spawn on objectives or CRU's while someone is actually hacking the objective/CRU.

KEYBOARD AND MOUSE SUPPORT WILL BE ADDED

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Mwah....


Mwahaha...


Mwahahahahaha!



Cannot wait to read the forums after that goes live. Only problem I can imagine is all the false accusations...

No. This was the entire point of the change.

The point of the change was to give people a chance to revive people?

sources of these are either from talks with the devs over irc, or posts by them on the forums. this is not all that will be in the build, just what we know so far

REs will gain a 5 second delay before they arm, and you'll only be able to carry 2 of them instead of 5. their damage will remain the same

The forge gun will gets its visual charge indicator back

spawning will be fixed. in skirmish, players will spawn in one of many possible spawn locations surrounding a control point, instead of just one. the way-back spawn will also shift around if enemies are nearby

Logistics suits will get some shield buffs to be more in line with assault suits

Anyone carrying a nanite injector will see fallen teammates on their HUD as little indicators with distances, and anyone who has fallen will see an indicator for nearby nanite injector users

whenever you die, there will always be an 8 second period where you lay on the ground before going to the overview map, to give logistics guys plenty of chance to help. But once you select a spawn point from overview, you'll spawn within 2 seconds by default (so the total wait is still 10 seconds)

KEYBOARD AND MOUSE SUPPORT WILL BE ADDED

Biomass will be returned to rotation. it was removed due to strange memory errors, part of the reason for the infamous freezes last build. those will be fixed (uncertain, hopefully it will be ready in time)

vehicles will almost quadruple in price, a well fit prototype tank will cost about 1.2mil. rewards from matches will increase in turn. militia vehicles will be removed

**more to be added**

whenever you die, there will always be an 8 second period where you lay on the ground before going to the overview map, to give logistics guys plenty of chance to help. But once you select a spawn point from overview, you'll spawn within 2 seconds by default (so the total wait is still 10 seconds)

sources of these are either from talks with the devs over irc, or posts by them on the forums. this is not all that will be in the build, just what we know so far

REs will gain a 5 second delay before they arm, and you'll only be able to carry 2 of them instead of 5. their damage will remain the same

The forge gun will gets its visual charge indicator back

spawning will be fixed. in skirmish, players will spawn in one of many possible spawn locations surrounding a control point, instead of just one. the way-back spawn will also shift around if enemies are nearby

Logistics suits will get some shield buffs to be more in line with assault suits

Anyone carrying a nanite injector will see fallen teammates on their HUD as little indicators with distances, and anyone who has fallen will see an indicator for nearby nanite injector users

whenever you die, there will always be an 8 second period where you lay on the ground before going to the overview map, to give logistics guys plenty of chance to help. But once you select a spawn point from overview, you'll spawn within 2 seconds by default (so the total wait is still 10 seconds)

KEYBOARD AND MOUSE SUPPORT WILL BE ADDED

Biomass will be returned to rotation. it was removed due to strange memory errors, part of the reason for the infamous freezes last build. those will be fixed (uncertain, hopefully it will be ready in time)

vehicles will almost quadruple in price, a well fit prototype tank will cost about 1.2mil. rewards from matches will increase in turn. militia vehicles will be removed

**more to be added**

im happy with militia vehicles being free as now people have AV skills they are easier to kill than a heavy i think there need to be a bigger price gap between the tier 2 HAVs and the militia tanks,whihc it seems it is coming

Nah bruh, was talking about this dude's little tactic of spawn camping in order to hack a point and requesting to make it to where while it's being hacked no-one can spawn there. S'ridiculous.

Well darn

Remote Explosives need their damage quadripled tbh, and sticky so you can stick them on Sagaris tanks.
Blast radius reduced maybe?

Spawnign wont' be fixed if this is what they have in mind.
Random spawn point in non-random areas is the same system used in countless of FPS that have spawn camping!

Also why lore is sued to excuse the lack of many FPS feature but for spawning lore is ignored completely?

If we went by lore for spawning, wouldn't our clones need to come out of the CRU's? or something like that for objective spawns?

i'm very anxious for kb/m

Im skeptical about whether it can be implemented correctly while still allowing a level playing field.

look on the bright side ill get out of my sagaris more :P

*SHAKES FIST FEROCIOUSLY*

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE "GET OUT OF THAT TANK ENIGMA!"

EnIgMa99 "No"

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE *banging on side of tank, "GET OUT HERE YOU COWARD"

EnIgMa99 "No"

*Boom*

EnIgMa99 (Why are projectiles not reported) PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE "...******* sagaris"

i loled hard

Precisely Royal
EVE don't have materialization but Dust 514 has it; why?
Because that's how spawns work in 99% of FPS.
Spawning in Dust 514 It's a copy & paste form other FPS...nothing more.
Now, I proposed many options to improve Spawning in this thread. but of course no answer form CCP beside "we will randomize spawns".

Sadly as I said this won't work because other FPS have it and they have all spawn-camping.

Better spawning systems exist but it will take moths to change the current system...months probably we don't have!
It took CCP 2 months to make random spawn work : how much time it will take to design another spawn system entirely, from scratch!

no comms fix, party system fixes, hit detection, auto aim removal LOL

i'm not playing next build without atleast a party system

no vehicle nerfs either LOL

yea they raised the price but they increased rewards so that offsets, lame

no comms fix, party system fixes, hit detection, auto aim removal LOL

i'm not playing next build without atleast a party system

no vehicle nerfs either LOL

yea they raised the price but they increased rewards so that offsets, lame

You don't play eve alot. One of the newer missions acutally goes over the drawbacks of tinkering with manipulating wormholes. A proven technology that the new Sansha nation has been using for thier invasions and kidnapping sprees. One group managed to lose a mini-capital ship becuase of the experiment and its radiation and gravity hazard of a 'ghost ship' have you destroy it or at least make it go away for good.

CRUs could be on the warbarge and very strong signals from capturable objectives can allow clones to have thier wormhole locked in and teleporting in near instantly. Thus any spawn from a captuable point needs to be either a drop pod or a wormhole animation. Weaker signals provided by drop uplinks take a bit more time to lock onto.

i bet you still play.

and i bet you still complain about it too.

The forge gun will gets its visual charge indicator back

Vehicles are 4x as expensive? It's sad to see CCP gave into complainers on the forums. LAV's and dropships are already expensive when fully fitted and very diffivult to try and keep for a whole game.

My dropship is 170k ISK and now it will be 680k ISK?! Thats BS. They better have made them more powerful or else CCP giving into complainers will be evident.

Thats the point. You shouldnt be able to use it every match. And if you play well, you should be able to get about 400 000 isk per game, which means you get a dropship every 4 matches. This will also allow you to be forced to use some lesser dropships as well.

I asked EVE players about materialization and they didn't say anything!
Still the problems remain: lore explains materialization but doesn't' make spawning work better.

This spawning system is taken from other FPS and it doesn't work well.
In few weeks people will hate it and many will leave DUst 514 because nobody enjoys spawn-camping, especially when vehicles can be used to scour/cap a wide are and can counter randomness.

Now, as I said, it took months to make randomization happen so who much time will it take to create a new spawning system?
SOONGäó isn't the answer I assure you!

i bet you still play.

and i bet you still complain about it too.

I asked EVE players about materialization and they didn't say anything!
Still the problems remain: lore explains materialization but doesn't' make spawning work better.

This spawning system is taken from other FPS and it doesn't work well.
In few weeks people will hate it and many will leave DUst 514 because nobody enjoys spawn-camping, especially when vehicles can be used to scour/cap a wide are and can counter randomness.

Now, as I said, it took months to make randomization happen so who much time will it take to create a new spawning system?
SOONGäó isn't the answer I assure you!

These are all hersay and he doesnt link offical twitter links, chances are some of these are not going to be featuerd.

Also minor 'bugs' are typically not discussed in length as much as a oh new feature.

Remember unoffical build notes are typically made with best available infomration, since we dont have tools like eve online players able to pull dev sever builds to do a build compare we are unable to generate anything better than hersay.

Far as I am concerned everything I asked in the second reply might make it in or not.

*SHAKES FIST FEROCIOUSLY*

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE "GET OUT OF THAT TANK ENIGMA!"

EnIgMa99 "No"

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE *banging on side of tank, "GET OUT HERE YOU COWARD"

EnIgMa99 "No"

*Boom*

EnIgMa99 (Why are projectiles not reported) PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE "...******* sagaris"

Definitely happy to see Militia vehicle swarms going away, even if it means easy AV kills are less common.

...which means AV builds are less common and receive less SP...which means when there is a vehicle on the field, there's no one there to kill it!

Bugger.

i'll play to see if it's better but not much, hell i only play a couple hours a week anyway

all my "complaints" are bugs or game breaking imbalance issues. sorry you werent aware

Now then for 'materialization' I am not sure what you are implying...

I agree with the 5 second delay before being able to detonate remote explosives, but lowering the count from 5 to 2? Seems like a bit much imho, probably won't use them at all if that's the case.

Actually I'm a little worried by this. How are we going to be able to disarm the objectives now (and hack the CRU's as well). It won't be enough to have one guy covering their spawnpoint while you hack, since spawns will be more random.

Either increase the spawn timer to 5 seconds (while either keeping the mandatory bleedout timer at 8 seconds or lower that to 5 seconds) or make it so you can't spawn on objectives or CRU's while someone is actually hacking the objective/CRU.

Remember when speculating on what else could be in patch notes it's good to exercise caution when using your Magic Crystal Ball, or any variant thereof.

Random spawn point in non-random areas is the same system used in countless of FPS that have spawn camping!

LOVE the RE changes if those are true. Seriously, im tired of people using them like grenades

LMAO

Remember when speculating on what else could be in patch notes it's good to exercise caution when using your Magic Crystal Ball, or any variant thereof.

Remember when speculating on what else could be in patch notes it's good to exercise caution when using your Magic Crystal Ball, or any variant thereof.

WAR ON LAG ?

it is becoming worse, and less able to pinpoint exact area it happens.

All maps seem to suffer from lag, enduced either by network of a stressed CPU usage on the PS3.

if you run over a player with a dropship/tank/jeep, you should at the end of match, that player should have the isk removed and a cut of the LP removed to. the lp/isk is given to the player that was run over. if they wanna run people over go play GTA !!!

look on the bright side ill get out of my sagaris more :P

i'm very anxious for kb/m

Im skeptical about whether it can be implemented correctly while still allowing a level playing field.

*SHAKES FIST FEROCIOUSLY*

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE "GET OUT OF THAT TANK ENIGMA!"

EnIgMa99 "No"

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE *banging on side of tank, "GET OUT HERE YOU COWARD"

EnIgMa99 "No"

*Boom*

EnIgMa99 (Why are projectiles not reported) PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE "...******* sagaris"

The battlefield is a selfish place. You work together with your squad largely because it benefits you in some wayGǪ typically, that benefit is staying alive. Nevertheless, teamwork is an important facet of DUST 514GÇÖs gameplay, and the Command dropsuit is the lynchpin of this philosophy. The only suit capable of equipping squad modules, it provides area-of-effect bonuses to allied units or cripples enemies caught within range of its modulesGÇÖ effects. WeGÇÖll talk more about it and the Pilot dropsuit in a future blog.

If you read the blog the next feature dropsuit post is going to be all about Command and Pilot suits.



http://www.dust514.com/community/blog/2012/07/dropsuit-dev-blog-part-two/

Here's hoping they make it in to the next build

If that were the case, and I'm not saying it is, than you need to go in depth as to why it's game-breaking or a bug instead of just saying it's broken. Seriously, and while you're at it, at least get the names right.

[quote=Roccano1]LOVE the RE changes if those are true. Seriously, im tired of people using them like grenades

i dont do that for free, sorry.

Definitely what I'm skilling up.

Remember when speculating on what else could be in patch notes it's good to exercise caution when using your Magic Crystal Ball, or any variant thereof.

If that were the case, and I'm not saying it is, than you need to go in depth as to why it's game-breaking or a bug instead of just saying it's broken. Seriously, and while you're at it, at least get the names right.

i dont do that for free, sorry.

Will we be wiped?

Hello folks,

Just want to remind you all about the rule #30 of the Forum Rules

We are aware that you guys canGÇÖt wait to play the new patch; however, we want to keep things under our control and of course we will inform through our different communication channels the only and official patch notes:

SOONGäó

Hello folks,

Just want to remind you all about the rule #30 of the Forum Rules

We are aware that you guys canGÇÖt wait to play the new patch; however, we want to keep things under our control and of course we will inform through our different communication channels the only and official patch notes:

SOONGäó

Link to forum post confirming the RE changes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=208585#post208585

Personally I don't think they need quite such a long delay.

DUST has a couple of BIG advantages that make spawn randomisation all you need.

ONE player with a Militia fit and a handful of Drop Uplinks can break a spawn camp even in the current build. At the moment, it will usually take a couple of tries to get free, but you can do it. Randomised spawn positions will give you that little bit of extra time to get clear and set up an alternative spawn point (or 2, or 3... or 6 if you have a good enough fitting for it).

[quote=Garrett Blacknova]

Dropships are more reliable as spawn points but are not the basic spawn method.

Sorry but a little bit of extra time is the difference between dying in 0 seconds and 5-10 seconds!

Remember when speculating on what else could be in patch notes it's good to exercise caution when using your Magic Crystal Ball, or any variant thereof.

LOVE the RE changes if those are true. Seriously, im tired of people using them like grenades

Vehicles are 4x as expensive? It's sad to see CCP gave into complainers on the forums. LAV's and dropships are already expensive when fully fitted and very diffivult to try and keep for a whole game.

My dropship is 170k ISK and now it will be 680k ISK?! Thats BS. They better have made them more powerful or else CCP giving into complainers will be evident.

Its not giving into complainers - its implementing what they had already said they were going to do. Look at the trailer with the skyfire launch in it. See the price of a tank? Oh yeah its 1.2 Mil. That trailer is well over 6 and maybe 12 months old now.

i'm very anxious for kb/m

Im skeptical about whether it can be implemented correctly while still allowing a level playing field.

Just a note: OP said that this is what he read so far, there may be a lot more included in this new build.

As much as the support player in me hates to say this - if there is a max 30 second bleed time before death, then we might have to be allow to coup de grace the wounded to keep them from coming back on us.

Of course, you also might want to hang around and see if you can use the wounded guy as bait to sucker in the medic and cack him too...

3 new maps on thursday for this weekends event.