DUST Search - high skill points at a high cost.

Benjamin Hellios wrote:

Zerlathon wrote:

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:

Benjamin Hellios wrote:

How in the hell do you go 20 or 30 kills to 1 or 2 deaths in an entire game on foot? In a tank, maybe, but on foot? I got a loooong way to go. When's the next bus to noob school?

You need to just be aware of your surroundings. The biggest mistake I see people make is just running out in the middle of the open. Run from cover to cover but don't stop moving.

If you see a tank, and you're not anti vehicle, get the hell out.

If you're engaging more than two people, stay cautious and make sure you have an exit from the firefight.

Staying alive isn't just about having better gun game than the other person, it's more about knowing what is happening around you at all times and adjusting your position and playstyle to fit that situation.

+1 to this!

This is what alot of people seem to not grasp when going from high paced FPS such as CoD, to larger scale FPS games.

The other thing you have to bear in mind is that your health does not regenerate automatically unlike the majority of FPS games around.

Yeah that's true, it's like my brain shuts down once I hit the ground and I turn into Jeremy Clarkson; POWEEERRR!! Especially as a logi that's not a smart thing, it's just that if I'm not shooting at something, anything really, I feel like I'm not contributing. I just have to learn to stick to my squad like herpes.

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Badly Owned xOne Man Armyx 49	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:14:00 - [61] - Quote Barnes Almighty wrote: so i have the best part of 13million skill points & the best gear for everything in my assault class build. unfortunately now all my hard work and planning was for nothing as the money earned from every game i play does not cover the cost of my fitting of my first life. is this how ccp plan to force ps3 players to work for eve players? i dont want to work for eve players EVER! does any body know how the cash system will work on release for those of us who cant be bothered with the eve crap? surely as the isk says its contribution based at the very least you should get the value of your fitting back for each life you spend in battles. this morning i went 22-1 & hacked multiple objectives but only earned 291k isk my suit costs slightly more than that when its full of modules & equipment how is this in any way fair isk distribution? i'm having a bit of a rant here so apologies for that but i think its a fair point, will ps3 players be forced to play for eve guys in order to use the equipment unlocks that WE have earned because if thats the case i officially declare myself out right now. lol i find this amusing! hurm i must be odd. what this translates to me. ohh i wanna run around in the best stuff all time time because i can that way when i come across someone that doesn't have as much sp as me i can kill them. and OMG WTF i got killed because of a militia assault rifle, Rage quit!
Bogit 5	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:15:00 - [62] - Quote Brahma El Indio wrote: Quote: Also if you have deep pockets you can buy AUR items :) Pay to win.........kinda confirmed don't you think? That's fine wit me by the way......I'm no Communist..... Hang on, my SVER slot was CommunistBrat...but that's beside the point....... Pay to win all the way baby....... Sounded more like pay to keep playing
Kill3rAce Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:16:00 - [63] - Quote Barnes Almighty wrote: carl von oppenheimer wrote: Game is about being hired by EvE corps so you lost and if you think that grinding SP and spamming spawns is an indication of skill you're wrong. haaa..... love the retards on this forum who just assume. i come top of the board every single game & have done for weeks no spamming/ spawn camping or other bs. the bitter words of a sub standard gamer classic. tell you what when the squad system comes in i'll school you properly. The reason people are taking cheap shots at you. Is you keep comparing this game to every other PS3 game. This is not COD, Battlefield or Uncharted or any other FPS you have ever played. They don't want to be like every other FPS you ever played. You keep raging about how you don't want anything to do with EVE at all. Why are you playing this game? Everyone is right...you don't sit there and use your most expensive fit on every life or battle its just not smart. You have to learn to build even tech1 or tech 2 fits that are cheaper and can be managed. Not every match will you be playing the best human/npc corp in the game and need to be in proto everything. Just learnt to have a cheaper fits and I'm sure you could still go 20 and 3 or something. If you have all those level 5 skills to fit everything then I'm sure you can destroy many other people in a tier II suit with great skills. Please stop comparing this game "DUST" to every other ps3 game or fps...its not I hope it never is. The reason I enjoy this is beause its not COD or Battlefield or even Counter-strike where you save money at times to buy weapons. I can only equip a Advanced suit with a few tier 2 modules. I think your honestly complaining about nothing
Benjamin Hellios Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:21:00 - [64] - Quote How in the hell do you go 20 or 30 kills to 1 or 2 deaths in an entire game on foot? In a tank, maybe, but on foot? I got a loooong way to go. When's the next bus to noob school?
Scarall Aoi Dystopian Project 2	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:24:00 - [65] - Quote S1LENC3R OG wrote: I personally like the fact that it will cost u alot for high end gear, after all isn't it suppose to be risk vs reward. If we would always make up the cost for every fitting then what would be the point of the whole market. With this system we wont run into guys wearing the highest possible gear every time they spawn and in every match. I believe this is part of the balancing. After 5 deaths are you going to keep spawning with the same high end fitting. I only equip higher end fitting when I feel it is needed on the battlefield. It all depends on what the enemy is putting out and how my team is doing in the match. Just my thoughts. i agree. its just like in eve. an officer fitted battleship is not the best choice for big fleet fights, or a t1 fitted cruiser for 1on1. the same thing exists in Dust. spawning with a high-end fitting the whole battle, ignoring the different situations on the field, isn't the right way. - my thoughts so long =)
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.20 13:56:00 - [66] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: How in the hell do you go 20 or 30 kills to 1 or 2 deaths in an entire game on foot? In a tank, maybe, but on foot? I got a loooong way to go. When's the next bus to noob school? You need to just be aware of your surroundings. The biggest mistake I see people make is just running out in the middle of the open. Run from cover to cover but don't stop moving. If you see a tank, and you're not anti vehicle, get the hell out. If you're engaging more than two people, stay cautious and make sure you have an exit from the firefight. Staying alive isn't just about having better gun game than the other person, it's more about knowing what is happening around you at all times and adjusting your position and playstyle to fit that situation.
Thrawn01 Aldeland Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 6	Posted - 2012.07.20 14:14:00 - [67] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: How in the hell do you go 20 or 30 kills to 1 or 2 deaths in an entire game on foot? In a tank, maybe, but on foot? I got a loooong way to go. When's the next bus to noob school? I'm with ya there .... I'm lucky to get a K/D ratio over one. :-P (FPS's not my strong suit) but still love the depth of Dust. :-)
Zerlathon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 213	Posted - 2012.07.20 14:19:00 - [68] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: How in the hell do you go 20 or 30 kills to 1 or 2 deaths in an entire game on foot? In a tank, maybe, but on foot? I got a loooong way to go. When's the next bus to noob school? You need to just be aware of your surroundings. The biggest mistake I see people make is just running out in the middle of the open. Run from cover to cover but don't stop moving. If you see a tank, and you're not anti vehicle, get the hell out. If you're engaging more than two people, stay cautious and make sure you have an exit from the firefight. Staying alive isn't just about having better gun game than the other person, it's more about knowing what is happening around you at all times and adjusting your position and playstyle to fit that situation. +1 to this! This is what alot of people seem to not grasp when going from high paced FPS such as CoD, to larger scale FPS games. The other thing you have to bear in mind is that your health does not regenerate automatically unlike the majority of FPS games around.
Benjamin Hellios Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 259	Posted - 2012.07.20 14:27:00 - [69] - Quote Zerlathon wrote: PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: How in the hell do you go 20 or 30 kills to 1 or 2 deaths in an entire game on foot? In a tank, maybe, but on foot? I got a loooong way to go. When's the next bus to noob school? You need to just be aware of your surroundings. The biggest mistake I see people make is just running out in the middle of the open. Run from cover to cover but don't stop moving. If you see a tank, and you're not anti vehicle, get the hell out. If you're engaging more than two people, stay cautious and make sure you have an exit from the firefight. Staying alive isn't just about having better gun game than the other person, it's more about knowing what is happening around you at all times and adjusting your position and playstyle to fit that situation. +1 to this! This is what alot of people seem to not grasp when going from high paced FPS such as CoD, to larger scale FPS games. The other thing you have to bear in mind is that your health does not regenerate automatically unlike the majority of FPS games around. Yeah that's true, it's like my brain shuts down once I hit the ground and I turn into Jeremy Clarkson; POWEEERRR!! Especially as a logi that's not a smart thing, it's just that if I'm not shooting at something, anything really, I feel like I'm not contributing. I just have to learn to stick to my squad like herpes.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.20 14:31:00 - [70] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: Zerlathon wrote: PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: How in the hell do you go 20 or 30 kills to 1 or 2 deaths in an entire game on foot? In a tank, maybe, but on foot? I got a loooong way to go. When's the next bus to noob school? You need to just be aware of your surroundings. The biggest mistake I see people make is just running out in the middle of the open. Run from cover to cover but don't stop moving. If you see a tank, and you're not anti vehicle, get the hell out. If you're engaging more than two people, stay cautious and make sure you have an exit from the firefight. Staying alive isn't just about having better gun game than the other person, it's more about knowing what is happening around you at all times and adjusting your position and playstyle to fit that situation. +1 to this! This is what alot of people seem to not grasp when going from high paced FPS such as CoD, to larger scale FPS games. The other thing you have to bear in mind is that your health does not regenerate automatically unlike the majority of FPS games around. Yeah that's true, it's like my brain shuts down once I hit the ground and I turn into Jeremy Clarkson; POWEEERRR!! Especially as a logi that's not a smart thing, it's just that if I'm not shooting at something, anything really, I feel like I'm not contributing. I just have to learn to stick to my squad like herpes. Yup, stick to that squad. I was holding the area between B and the C spawn point yesterday and was just overrun by about 6 or 7 guys. (This would have been example of a time where I should have pulled back a little, I got selfish ) No matter how good someone is doing, multiple enemies really throw a wrench into things. To all people that may be feeling like they are struggling, find a battle buddy and stick by their side. You're more likely to take down someone as two people then as one. Stay away from me though, I like to work alone

Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:10:00 - [71] - Quote TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: Most of the angry players here are EVE players. The OP has been answered by the Dev's. Lol wut ? I love seeing barnes on both freindly and ememy teams and I play eve so give it a rest will you. Barne if you ever run into isk probs give a shout and i will dump some on ya.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:10:00 - [72] - Quote SHHHHH PEEEEEETREEEEE. You'll make all the nOObs good. How am I supposed to grow my epeen when they know how to play ;)
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:12:00 - [73] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: SHHHHH PEEEEEETREEEEE. You'll make all the nOObs good. How am I supposed to grow my epeen when they know how to play ;) Only way to get better is by playing people who are better Canon fodder gets boringggggg
Sohkar Adelis Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 61	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:15:00 - [74] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Tony Calif wrote: SHHHHH PEEEEEETREEEEE. You'll make all the nOObs good. How am I supposed to grow my epeen when they know how to play ;) Only way to get better is by playing people who are better Canon fodder gets boringggggg Only gets boring if you don't play with them a bit before you headshot em. Mom told me not to play with my food, but Goddamn is it ever fun! FORGE GUN TO THE FACE!
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:19:00 - [75] - Quote This thread is a lie. The maximum cost that I know of is 90 000 ISK for an Assault with all things upgraded. ISK can also be earned through doing team actions. Kills dont earn you nearly as much ISK as hacks, or vehicle kills. I've gotten up to 500 000 ISK in my Forge Gunner Advanced suit, just by blowing up poorly fitted Marauders and Suryas. Also, use Militia Gear to earn money, I know you probably care about your KD/R, and getting to the top of the boards, but KD doesnt matter much here when you dont have enoug money to use your suits.
Pavel Monfreid 29	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:19:00 - [76] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Tony Calif wrote: SHHHHH PEEEEEETREEEEE. You'll make all the nOObs good. How am I supposed to grow my epeen when they know how to play ;) Only way to get better is by playing people who are better Canon fodder gets boringggggg I totally agree with this. Personally I think I suck, but when I get with a good group I can do very well. Last night in one of the skirmish fights I had a good group and managed to rack up a few kills, hack some objectives, and feel like I made a contribution. The only time I died was one I either got pounded on by multiple enemies or I went off on my own. Why do people respawn in a location that is being hacked? Wouldn't it be better to spawn a bit off and come in a different way? In another match it seemed like they tried to zerg the objective back and it wasn't good because there were like 3 or 4 of us holding the objective.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:25:00 - [77] - Quote Sohkar Adelis wrote: PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Tony Calif wrote: SHHHHH PEEEEEETREEEEE. You'll make all the nOObs good. How am I supposed to grow my epeen when they know how to play ;) Only way to get better is by playing people who are better Canon fodder gets boringggggg Only gets boring if you don't play with them a bit before you headshot em. Mom told me not to play with my food, but Goddamn is it ever fun! FORGE GUN TO THE FACE! All day with that damn forge gun. shaking fist
Sohkar Adelis Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 61	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:26:00 - [78] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Sohkar Adelis wrote: PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Tony Calif wrote: SHHHHH PEEEEEETREEEEE. You'll make all the nOObs good. How am I supposed to grow my epeen when they know how to play ;) Only way to get better is by playing people who are better Canon fodder gets boringggggg Only gets boring if you don't play with them a bit before you headshot em. Mom told me not to play with my food, but Goddamn is it ever fun! FORGE GUN TO THE FACE! All day with that damn forge gun. shaking fist LOL If it ain't broke right? Sometimes I shake it up and crush you with a flyer.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.20 15:46:00 - [79] - Quote Bogit wrote: Brahma El Indio wrote: Quote: Also if you have deep pockets you can buy AUR items :) Pay to win.........kinda confirmed don't you think? That's fine wit me by the way......I'm no Communist..... Hang on, my SVER slot was CommunistBrat...but that's beside the point....... Pay to win all the way baby....... Sounded more like pay to keep playing Sounded more like "pay to keep dying" actually. If you pull out your best gear before you know what you're facing, EXPECT TO LOSE IT. If your best gear is worth more than you can earn, and you decided to charge into battle with it, well, that was stupid of you, wasn't it? Don't bring what you can't afford to lose. It worked for EVE, it works for DUST, and I roll mostly in Militia gear because I suck. I've tried a few runs in different Advanced and Prototype suits, but I don't get enough benefit from that gear to make it sustainable.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.07.20 16:06:00 - [80] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: how are you losing money? how? mind boggling By you keep killing me

xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.20 16:25:00 - [81] - Quote Do people seriously worry about not having enough ISK to cover the cost of their loadouts
Mike Gunnzito 111	Posted - 2012.07.20 16:29:00 - [82] - Quote After reading the whole thread, I've come to a few conclusions. 1. Barnes is really bad at math. 2. Peetreee is the new "go-to" resident Dust instructor/tutor. 3. Barnes needs to learn to use adv fits more. They cost half as much, and are 3/4 as good as the proto gear. (better bang for your buck, if you're struggling to make money) 4. Barnes needs to reevaluate his playstyle. For someone who thinks he's badass, he sucks at earning isk. 170-200k is avg for earnings for me. (and many others) There are a number of matches (where we have a good match) and earn 300-400k isk. FYI: I think in part, this is because you get more isk for killing guys in better gear than you.
Drake Lyons Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 209	Posted - 2012.07.20 16:29:00 - [83] - Quote I imagine people who go less than 20+/1 per round, do. As do people who ride around in expensive vehicles. Not everyone is as amazingly skilled as you, xprotoman23.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.20 16:51:00 - [84] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Do people seriously worry about not having enough ISK to cover the cost of their loadouts MIND BOGGLING!
Solarisjock Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.20 16:52:00 - [85] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Do people seriously worry about not having enough ISK to cover the cost of their loadouts i do, i do not need to but i do. its a carry over from EVE where you always have to wonder how much losing what you are flying is going to set you back
Relyt R Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.07.20 18:02:00 - [86] - Quote just thought i'd point out that i want a gallente/caldari pirate scout suit fitted with full officer mods
Bzeer MG GROUP 41	Posted - 2012.07.20 18:22:00 - [87] - Quote Imagine the other alternative to working for corps and alliances from dust and eve is to kill ai drones in hisec missions all day. Lots of eve players make the isk to buy shiny stuff with missions or through other professions. I don't understand the agitation from the op here... I make 200 to 300k per match which usually pays for at least one vehicle, and several my drop suits. I typically spend much less than 100k per match unless I splurge on a nice vehicle. Typically I die between 3 and 5 times, and my kill rare varies greatly bested on the role I take on during the match. I would imagine a person who is not making a profit in a typical match is too careless with his equipment, or not skilled at staying alive. I would also assume my average pay per match going up to the levels it has is due to the fact that the equipment people are carrying onto the field which I destroy is getting nicer. I was not making as much when I was killing basic militia type stuff. Anyways, there are things in eve that most people can't obtain from solo effort that they gain through collective effort. If one is unwilling to pursue collective effort goals in dust I imagine the maximum potential for what they can afford to loose on the field will be less than those working towards larger collective awards than the short term results of a single match. Ps setting a budget for yourself per match helps you out, having some cannon fodder suits to throw away when you Find your team is completely outmatched is also very handy to preserving your wallet. Also I got revived at an objective today for the first time Ever, got to use the same suit Twice. Yay
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2012.07.20 18:55:00 - [88] - Quote Why are you using all proto gear in matches that donGÇÖt mean crap? if you switched to advance gear and optimized your fitGÇÖs cost and effectiveness , youGÇÖd see more profit with not much noticeable decrease in effectiveness. . The first time I saw the proto suits I said hell no, 50k for a suit with a high probability of death(depending on your rold)? NOPE. Not worth going into debt for fighting over chump change.unless it's all of nothing big earnings and benifits.
Jim-Bob Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.07.20 19:01:00 - [89] - Quote so what I've learnt from this thread is that EVERYONE playing DUST is amazing and gets at least 20/1 every match, is that right? I for one sometimes get killed quite a bit, there Ive said it. although my KDR is 2.1 at the minute and Im only rocking T1 assault armour (close to caldari level 4 sp requirements now) mainly because i dont get much time to play so only have about 3.5mil sp in total. hang on, does that mean my reasonable stats are a result of skill over kit?? with a fit cost of about 15K Im reaping the cash whilst dying. or have i missed the point somewhere, should i die more cos i play less?
Solarisjock Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.20 19:02:00 - [90] - Quote nope, you are proving that the balance is working as intended, and some people are just whiny ********



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