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Barnes Almighty
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:52:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:I dont know what your problem is. I die about 3-4 times a game on a bad day. Also its called saving up your money. I could die multiple times, I may lose a profit but I dont have to worry since I have over 3 mil ISK :).
Also if you did that good every game then I doubt you would even need to worry about ISK. 3 million isk will buy about 40 fits of my suit dude it dont go far, i bought 100 fittings outright & nearly bankrupted myself & now if i die 1 time or more in a game i'm losing money. If you need fittings that expensive, and you're still dying that much. You're doing it wrong. dying 1 time or more..... can you retards actually read or do you just type first thing that comes into your heads without thinking? |
41WAYS
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:54:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:Zerlathon wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:Game is about being hired by EvE corps so you lost and if you think that grinding SP and spamming spawns is an indication of skill you're wrong. haaa..... love the retards on this forum who just assume. i come top of the board every single game & have done for weeks no spamming/ spawn camping or other bs. the bitter words of a sub standard gamer classic. tell you what when the squad system comes in i'll school you properly. Kind of ironic really... Aren't you assuming/ demanding that the game should reward you for the length of time that you have been playing? question has been answered by a dev already i wanted to make sure i would get at least the cost of my used gear back without the need for eve players money. been answered let it go..
your not guaranteed to get money back for the fittings you lose (however you could make it say so in the contract)
a contract is just another way to make money. whether its from an EVE corp, DUST corp, or NPC corp, it makes no difference. you take a contract based on the best deal offered. |
Br1ck Chib
Air Red Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:57:00 -
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CCP Contra Merc wrote:Dont worry too much about prices and rewards at the moment. That is all bound to change specially when the market joins the whole Universe.
ISK rewards will depend on many factors. However if you do not want to work for an EVE player you don't have to. You can sell your services to Dust Corps as well, for whatever amount you think it is right, if they agree then you should be able to afford your equipment.
Remember after all you are a Mercenary. Your equipment depends on the contracts you take, your contracts depend on demand for your services.
Also if you have deep pockets you can buy AUR items :)
As soon as I figure out how to bring the jita riots to dust you will pay for that shameless AUR plug ;) lol |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:57:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:I dont know what your problem is. I die about 3-4 times a game on a bad day. Also its called saving up your money. I could die multiple times, I may lose a profit but I dont have to worry since I have over 3 mil ISK :).
Also if you did that good every game then I doubt you would even need to worry about ISK. 3 million isk will buy about 40 fits of my suit dude it dont go far, i bought 100 fittings outright & nearly bankrupted myself & now if i die 1 time or more in a game i'm losing money. If you need fittings that expensive, and you're still dying that much. You're doing it wrong. dying 1 time or more..... can you retards actually read or do you just type first thing that comes into your heads without thinking?
Your full of ****
291k doesnt cover 1 death then i call BS, proto assualt fit is not tht expensive, im 70k with majority at proto level except nades/nanohive and SMG |
Zerlathon
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.07.20 11:58:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:question has been answered by a dev already i wanted to make sure i would get at least the cost of my used gear back without the need for eve players money. been answered let it go..
The Dev's answer (albeit correct) does not mean that you will at least get the cost for your deaths back.
There will be contracts that are profitable, and some that are not. I have no doubt that the large Corporations will have a slush fund of substantial amounts of ISK reserved for the sole purpose of defending their territory.
What we are trying to get you to understand, is that it is ultimately your decisions that will determine whether or not you profit.
Something's a little inconsistent here:
Barnes Almighty wrote:this morning i went 22-1 & hacked multiple objectives but only earned 291k isk my suit costs slightly more than that when its full of modules & equipment how is this in any way fair isk distribution?.
Barnes Almighty wrote:3 million isk will buy about 40 fits of my suit dude it dont go far, i bought 100 fittings outright & nearly bankrupted myself & now if i die 1 time or more in a game i'm losing money.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but 40 x 291,000 = 11,640,000
If we go by your 2nd post alone, that means that your loadout actually costs in the region of 75,000 ISK. You coult therefore die 3 times and still be in profit (considering you died 1 time that game you were OK).
However if we're talking about tanks (which I can only assume), then that is a totally different kettle of fish...
The game is not designed to allow you to spawm multiple tanks without any financial penalites.
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Br1ck Chib
Air Red Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:00:00 -
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Also what your essentially whining about is losing a rifter. Play eve for a bit and you will be like OMG this **** is cheap!! |
Jonquill Caronite
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:04:00 -
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This has been discussed, I made a thread quite awhile ago on this, and simply searching Economy or Economics would have brought up dozens on threads on the subject... If you want to make money in ALL prototype you'd better be winning, and also you'd better be fighting a good contract... Typical engagements will be lowered to regular and advanced gear by the law of averages...
A little economic understanding would help players... This is also the same reason you will NEVER see all tank battles, unless both sides have decided that making a profit is no longer their goal in the game (Which with the aid of EVE players, may happen, but I doubt it will be that wide-spread or frequent once the prices have been changed),
Here's my thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=185121#post185121
my two cents.... |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:06:00 -
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Br1ck Chib wrote:Also what your essentially whining about is losing a rifter. Play eve for a bit and you will be like OMG this **** is cheap!!
Erm, when factoring in the time VS ISK earned in DUST, it is radically different then EVE, so this is an extremely bad comparison.
For the same time in two DUST games and me earning a few hundred thousand ISK, I could blitz level IV security missions in EVE and earn myself an easy, stress free, 20-30 million ISK. 30Mill+ if I start really working at it per hour.
A few hundred thousand is significant in DUST. |
BAD FURRY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
247
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:14:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:so i have the best part of 13million skill points & the best gear for everything in my assault class build. unfortunately now all my hard work and planning was for nothing as the money earned from every game i play does not cover the cost of my fitting of my first life. is this how ccp plan to force ps3 players to work for eve players? i dont want to work for eve players EVER! does any body know how the cash system will work on release for those of us who cant be bothered with the eve crap? surely as the isk says its contribution based at the very least you should get the value of your fitting back for each life you spend in battles. this morning i went 22-1 & hacked multiple objectives but only earned 291k isk my suit costs slightly more than that when its full of modules & equipment how is this in any way fair isk distribution? i'm having a bit of a rant here so apologies for that but i think its a fair point, will ps3 players be forced to play for eve guys in order to use the equipment unlocks that WE have earned because if thats the case i officially declare myself out right now.
LULZ NOOB !!! WELL COME TO EVE ALL OF YOUR ISK BELONGS TO ME !!!
heres a hint from goon
THIS IS HOW TO PLAY EVE AND DUST 514 ! |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:14:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:I dont know what your problem is. I die about 3-4 times a game on a bad day. Also its called saving up your money. I could die multiple times, I may lose a profit but I dont have to worry since I have over 3 mil ISK :).
Also if you did that good every game then I doubt you would even need to worry about ISK. 3 million isk will buy about 40 fits of my suit dude it dont go far, i bought 100 fittings outright & nearly bankrupted myself & now if i die 1 time or more in a game i'm losing money. If you need fittings that expensive, and you're still dying that much. You're doing it wrong. dying 1 time or more..... can you retards actually read or do you just type first thing that comes into your heads without thinking? Your full of **** 291k doesnt cover 1 death then i call BS, proto assualt fit is not tht expensive, im 70k with majority at proto level except nades/nanohive and SMG
This.
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EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:16:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:Game is about being hired by EvE corps so you lost and if you think that grinding SP and spamming spawns is an indication of skill you're wrong. haaa..... love the retards on this forum who just assume. i come top of the board every single game & have done for weeks no spamming/ spawn camping or other bs. the bitter words of a sub standard gamer classic. tell you what when the squad system comes in i'll school you properly.
LOL becasue he needs other ppl to help him school lol |
Barnes Almighty
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:19:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:Game is about being hired by EvE corps so you lost and if you think that grinding SP and spamming spawns is an indication of skill you're wrong. haaa..... love the retards on this forum who just assume. i come top of the board every single game & have done for weeks no spamming/ spawn camping or other bs. the bitter words of a sub standard gamer classic. tell you what when the squad system comes in i'll school you properly. LOL becasue he needs other ppl to help him school lol another tard joy.... when he can get onto my team i can show him how i play. how stupid are you people. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:26:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:EnIgMa99 wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:Game is about being hired by EvE corps so you lost and if you think that grinding SP and spamming spawns is an indication of skill you're wrong. haaa..... love the retards on this forum who just assume. i come top of the board every single game & have done for weeks no spamming/ spawn camping or other bs. the bitter words of a sub standard gamer classic. tell you what when the squad system comes in i'll school you properly. LOL becasue he needs other ppl to help him school lol another tard joy.... when he can get onto my team i can show him how i play. how stupid are you people.
Calls other ppl stupid
Has to explain why his suit costs more than 291k
He cant explain because hes full of **** and too stupid to admit he made a mistake
Pot, kettle, black |
Barnes Almighty
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:33:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:EnIgMa99 wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:Game is about being hired by EvE corps so you lost and if you think that grinding SP and spamming spawns is an indication of skill you're wrong. haaa..... love the retards on this forum who just assume. i come top of the board every single game & have done for weeks no spamming/ spawn camping or other bs. the bitter words of a sub standard gamer classic. tell you what when the squad system comes in i'll school you properly. LOL becasue he needs other ppl to help him school lol another tard joy.... when he can get onto my team i can show him how i play. how stupid are you people. Calls other ppl stupid Has to explain why his suit costs more than 291k He cant explain because hes full of **** and too stupid to admit he made a mistake Pot, kettle, black i'm waiting for server to come back up to post price list. & i love the way you dont deny your full of **** any one who has max level gear knows the cost. point stands 1 or more deaths means no prophit on my suit & equipment |
Scarall Aoi
Dystopian Project
2
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:37:00 -
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i'm very interessted in your equipment, please write it down as soon as the servers coming back. |
Barnes Almighty
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:38:00 -
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Scarall Aoi wrote:i'm very interessted in your equipment, please write it down as soon as the servers coming back. im not breaching the NDA willingly but i'll post the cost overall |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:40:00 -
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Wrong on 300k i can afford to die at least 4 times in my proto
I dont have full proto because of CPU/PG needs but 70k a death still aint cheep but thts if i earn 300k
Right now i have 28/29mil saved up so i can run proto all day long if i want but overall i may lose isk but when it comes to full release i can bankroll myself easily
The point is wrong, i can die twice in my gear and still make profit, 3/4 times even depending on isk rewards
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Zerlathon
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:43:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:i'm waiting for server to come back up to post price list. & i love the way you dont deny your full of **** any one who has max level gear knows the cost. point stands 1 or more deaths means no prophit on my suit & equipment
The thing you don't understand is, there are people here who are aware of the cost, and they are calling your bluff.
Someone even went as far as to draft a cost for a maxxed logistics suit (which is the MOST expensive in terms of kitting out.
BorrowedTime TM wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Might I ask what in the actual **** do you wear that amounts to 300k isk per death? Are you including a proto suit inside a Sagaris being crushed by a Prometheus while being OB'd by yourself??? That's what I want to know. I think the OP is over-exaggerating his losses for one suit. I lose 300k ISK when my Marauder Tank blows up, and I doubt very much one full proto outfit of any type costs as much as a Marauder. My Proto Logistics Outfit has the potential to be around 100k when the suit is maxed out. Logistics vk.0 = 58000 Proto Assault Rifle = 12000 4 Complex High Powered Modules = 6500 4 Complex Low Powered Modules = 5000 Proto Drop Uplink = 11000 Proto NanoHives = 10000 Proto Repair Tool = 10000 Proto Nanoinjector = 10000 Grenades = 500 That's a little over 120k, and I very much doubt that a Full Proto Assault Dropsuit can come close to what a Full Proto Logistics costs.
From memory, those figures look pretty accurate (as I wanted to estimate the cost of a logi suit for future reference). So unless you're paying completely different prices to everyone else, then you cannot simply get a price of over 290k ISK for a dropsuit loadout (and an Assoult loadout at that). |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:43:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:Scarall Aoi wrote:i'm very interessted in your equipment, please write it down as soon as the servers coming back. im not breaching the NDA willingly but i'll post the cost overall
...I don't think posting your fitting here violates NDA...you can post anything about the game you want here. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:44:00 -
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I know some of the Prot logi suit fits out there are runing kinda expensive hell even my scout suit only lets me die 2-4 times in ambush b4 I think Im loosing money.
Honestly cant say how much they cost will have to wait 4 game 2 be up. So dont burn me 4 not actualy adding it up b4 I could be totaly wrong.
Anyway back too the point I get you not wanting to deal with corp drama lamas and such so your gona have to basicly keep hiring ya ass out to anyone that will pay your because the gear we see here will I fully expect it to get more expensive and even cooler stuff with more sparkles that will cost a heap.
Sowy 4 bad engrish i woke up just.
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Dean Moakes
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:44:00 -
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BorrowedTime TM wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Might I ask what in the actual **** do you wear that amounts to 300k isk per death? Are you including a proto suit inside a Sagaris being crushed by a Prometheus while being OB'd by yourself??? That's what I want to know. I think the OP is over-exaggerating his losses for one suit. I lose 300k ISK when my Marauder Tank blows up, and I doubt very much one full proto outfit of any type costs as much as a Marauder. My Proto Logistics Outfit has the potential to be around 100k when the suit is maxed out. Logistics vk.0 = 58000 Proto Assault Rifle = 12000 4 Complex High Powered Modules = 6500 4 Complex Low Powered Modules = 5000 Proto Drop Uplink = 11000 Proto NanoHives = 10000 Proto Repair Tool = 10000 Proto Nanoinjector = 10000 Grenades = 500 That's a little over 120k, and I very much doubt that a Full Proto Assault Dropsuit can come close to what a Full Proto Logistics costs.
OK you said that you went 22 - 1 and got 291k ISK. Above it states that your loadout costs 123k
So let do a little Maths.
ISK earned 291k Fitting Cost 123k Earnings to cost ratio 2.37
Means that you can die 2.37 times before you are loosing money simples.
You need to learn how to do Maths! |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:47:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:EnIgMa99 wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:Game is about being hired by EvE corps so you lost and if you think that grinding SP and spamming spawns is an indication of skill you're wrong. haaa..... love the retards on this forum who just assume. i come top of the board every single game & have done for weeks no spamming/ spawn camping or other bs. the bitter words of a sub standard gamer classic. tell you what when the squad system comes in i'll school you properly. LOL becasue he needs other ppl to help him school lol another tard joy.... when he can get onto my team i can show him how i play. how stupid are you people.
"when he can get onto my team i can show him how i play" Is this when im am on the enemy team or your team? sorry dude didn't want you to call me tard or stupid. Have a nice day. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:50:00 -
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Beta Barnes GG last nights. Your much tougher than the Proto scout chumps on your team. Now... the point is your not garenteed your cost in items back. Not even close. However you get more ISK for doing more stuff/more kills. Economically I'm finding 70k of Proto gear is about te same as advanced. Tech2 suits earn me money, but I haven't use them since I bought Proto's. I am not interested in your fit. It's clearly terrible. The idea behind prototype gear, is that you use it in games which "matter" more to you. Seriously, I had a game yesterday where I felt everything I was in a fire fire it was 3/4 vs 1. I'm using protogear CONSTANTLY right now just to try some things (like the costs). End of the game I was 18-15. We won. Well played te other team. They cost me a million that game :) But it's fun using Proto, and that's the only game I've not made profit. Forget the money. If you run out, play 2 or 3 games in tech2 gear. It's about your skills paying for your gear, not gear being > skill. Sp>suit |
Zerlathon
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:51:00 -
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Dean Moakes wrote:BorrowedTime TM wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Might I ask what in the actual **** do you wear that amounts to 300k isk per death? Are you including a proto suit inside a Sagaris being crushed by a Prometheus while being OB'd by yourself??? That's what I want to know. I think the OP is over-exaggerating his losses for one suit. I lose 300k ISK when my Marauder Tank blows up, and I doubt very much one full proto outfit of any type costs as much as a Marauder. My Proto Logistics Outfit has the potential to be around 100k when the suit is maxed out. Logistics vk.0 = 58000 Proto Assault Rifle = 12000 4 Complex High Powered Modules = 6500 4 Complex Low Powered Modules = 5000 Proto Drop Uplink = 11000 Proto NanoHives = 10000 Proto Repair Tool = 10000 Proto Nanoinjector = 10000 Grenades = 500 That's a little over 120k, and I very much doubt that a Full Proto Assault Dropsuit can come close to what a Full Proto Logistics costs. OK you said that you went 22 - 1 and got 291k ISK. Above it states that your loadout costs 123k So let do a little Maths. ISK earned 291k Fitting Cost 123k Earnings to cost ratio 2.37 Means that you can die 2.37 times before you are loosing money simples. You need to learn how to do Maths!
Psst, you aiming at the wrong Guy! |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:52:00 -
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Scarall Aoi wrote:i'm very interessted in your equipment, please write it down as soon as the servers coming back.
My proto fit is 61k.
I average around 2-5 deaths per game with 20-30 kills.
I make between 200-300k isk per game.
My profit margin ranges anywhere from 0 to 150k isk per game.
If you're dying more than 5 times with proto gear on you're either getting 100 kills a game, or more likely, you're playing too reckless.
Situational awareness is the key to making money. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:56:00 -
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Most of the angry players here are EVE players. The OP has been answered by the Dev's. |
Scarall Aoi
Dystopian Project
2
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:57:00 -
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Drake Lyons wrote:Barnes Almighty wrote:Scarall Aoi wrote:i'm very interessted in your equipment, please write it down as soon as the servers coming back. im not breaching the NDA willingly but i'll post the cost overall ...I don't think posting your fitting here violates NDA...you can post anything about the game you want here.
i flew over the NDA. found nothing that, posting fittings here, violates NDA. so, if i can see that expensive fitting, i would be pleased. |
Kaeralli Sturmovos
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
117
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:59:00 -
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Barnes Almighty wrote:carl von oppenheimer wrote:Game is about being hired by EvE corps so you lost and if you think that grinding SP and spamming spawns is an indication of skill you're wrong. haaa..... love the retards on this forum who just assume. i come top of the board every single game & have done for weeks no spamming/ spawn camping or other bs. the bitter words of a sub standard gamer classic. tell you what when the squad system comes in i'll school you properly.
all this 133t speak is silly if you cant do the same numbers with lower gear then its the gear not your skill ive put protos down with my basic and advanced due to better tactics and real gun game not my-oh-so-leathal-two-shot-kill gun does all the work for me... lolz
enjoy being pennyless *waves* |
Barnes Almighty
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:59:00 -
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i got the figures here so i got the numbers slightly wrong, my bad. but the point stands my suit filly kitted out costs me 75,490 so if i die more than twice in a game i make no cash or very little as most games i see an average of 100k to 200k isk 3 lifes in the loadout will cost 226470. 2 deaths in a round of any game is a tall order i still think the cost is way too high. figures were slightly out but the point stands, will i be able to use the best gear i have whenever i want to without eve players cash & the dev answered that already. |
S1LENC3R OG
30
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Posted - 2012.07.20 13:13:00 -
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I personally like the fact that it will cost u alot for high end gear, after all isn't it suppose to be risk vs reward. If we would always make up the cost for every fitting then what would be the point of the whole market.
With this system we wont run into guys wearing the highest possible gear every time they spawn and in every match. I believe this is part of the balancing.
After 5 deaths are you going to keep spawning with the same high end fitting. I only equip higher end fitting when I feel it is needed on the battlefield. It all depends on what the enemy is putting out and how my team is doing in the match.
Just my thoughts. |
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