In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change.

In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change.

They did it on purpose, to stress test vehicles. They'll be putting the price up on vehicles, and a tighter quota (I think).

Also, I believe that they're going to have 48-man games, so vehicles will have less of an impact.

They did it on purpose, to stress test players. They'll be putting the price up on vehicles, and a tighter quota (I think).

Also, I believe that they're going to have 48-man games, so vehicles will have less of an impact.

the change is really easy, get 2 others on voice and grab an AV load out, have field day, farm SP

In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change.

i just had a basic swarm with complex damage mods
and a friend with proto swarm complex damage mods.

focusing fire with use of comms, and it didn't do anything to the three tanks spawn camping us.

This is EVE/DUST universe, not happy hand holding funtime WoW/CoD crap.

i just had a basic swarm with complex damage mods
and a friend with proto swarm complex damage mods.

focusing fire with use of comms, and it didn't do anything to the three tanks spawn camping us.

was just in a game with 4 surya's. i died 54 times trying to take them out with my forge gun, thats all i was trying to do all game, kill atleast 1.. managed to hit one 10 times, at the end, no tanks died.

Your play style doesnt trump anyone elses. Get it or go back to CoD. If a match has 24 people and each person wants to do a tank then so be it. This is EVE/DUST universe, not happy hand holding funtime WoW/CoD crap.

Wrong beta weekend. 1mill kills was last weekend.

EvE isn't cruel or harsh. Anyone who believes that plays too much EvE.
1.) your asteroids regrow. LoL
2.) when you die, you respawn. LoL
3.) I could join the swarm, and instantly have 9000 goons on my side. LoL
4.) You keep you ISK when you die. LoL
5.) CCP destroyed BoB for everyone in new eden.

No hand holding? LoL, time you realised there are MUCH more cruel games on the market.

You played counterstrike or d2hc? Those are harsh games. ISK mean nothing to me. Earn a mil lose a mil doesn't matter. Your asteroids will be back on a few days and you can mine more millions. Omg so harsh.

EvE isn't cruel or harsh. Anyone who believes that plays too much EvE.
1.) your asteroids regrow. LoL
2.) when you die, you respawn. LoL
3.) I could join the swarm, and instantly have 9000 goons on my side. LoL
4.) You keep you ISK when you die. LoL
5.) CCP destroyed BoB for everyone in new eden. Not LoL. Not funny. Begging your developer to not allow an alliance to reform is pathetic.

No hand holding? LoL, time you realised there are MUCH more cruel games on the market. With DEVs who won't cancel the biggest and clearly best corp in the game.

I take it you havent suffered a round of Spawn a Tank in Starhawk.

And lm a foot soldier...but trust me, compared to that, its heaven here. And lve yet to see a team with 5 tanks in a round....hell, just had a game were all it took were 2 tanks to dominate us from start to finish...we didnt even get out of the starter area.

That's quote is going to live with me for a long time. + Like.

Tadec you lose your ship. If you have 10 billion in the bank it's really no problem. Which you will. From mining the respawning asteroids in your freshly respawned clone.
The bob stuff is ALL from google/wiki/eve forums.
Did you pay goonswarm $10? Lolololol

Lol some people are dumb, I never mentioned anything about difficulty destroying tanks. I use a prototype swarm launcher with a prototype SMG and destroy marauders all the f*king time. The issue I brought up was a 5 vehicles quota on a 12 person team. I have been in a game where MY team brought out 5 tanks and it was boring as f**k. One of you mentioned CoD... um do your research they have an even smaller vehicle quota. If they are trying to stress test vehicles then fine, I'm bringing up the point that vehicle quota needs to be reduced. If they are reducing it on launch then good.

Carlos...

I'm sorry.

That last game we played. We brought out 5 tanks just to mess with you.

Blame Nugent

It's the PLAYERS and the attitude which is harsh. Well, once you get to 0.0 anyway. And I did get popped by some gate campers the first time I went low sec

Depends on the players. Atleast you are venturing outside of highsec unlike all the highsec trash forum whiners.

1. No, they dont. New sites show up after downtime.
2. No, your clone is animated.
3. No, you have to do a bunch of crap and pay 10$ to join goonswarm. Have fun with that.
4. No, ever lost a 1.2 billion ISK carrier, with another .8 billion in fittings? The insurance alone costs 200-300 million, and you get a 1 billion ISK payout from that. So 2.25 billion -- 1 billion = 1.25 billion ISK loss. YOU FAIL AT MATHS.
5. I dont even....lern to google.

LOL. Have you ever played EVE? Go ahead, go mine the materials to build a carrier and see how that takes ya.
No. Not a part of failswarm, never will be.

1. No, they dont. New sites show up after downtime.
2. No, your clone is animated.
3. No, you have to do a bunch of crap and pay 10$ to join goonswarm. Have fun with that.
4. No, ever lost a 1.2 billion ISK carrier, with another .8 billion in fittings? The insurance alone costs 200-300 million, and you get a 1 billion ISK payout from that. So 2.25 billion -- 1 billion = 1.25 billion ISK loss. YOU FAIL AT MATHS.
5. I dont even....lern to google.

Just to extend on point 2

2. If your clone isnt upto date you lose so many SP, ie clone is upgraded to 5mil SP but you have 7mil in SP, when you die you lose 2mil in SP and also the skills you learned and also implants if you had any

So really you could lose the ability to fly a certain ship or use mods and the implants if you had any tht you lose means that your queue time will be longer and also may lose some bonus implants to gunnery or missiles etc

In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change.

A good change would br.switching to something that can take down a tank.. its called heavy.dropsuits.. check it out.

I do not believe that arbitrary limits on the number of XX you want to use has any place in a sandbox game.

If your team wants to bring in a separate tank for each player and have all tanks versus the other team, then go for it. Its your ISK, its your loss.

This is not an Arena game where the game modes are supposed to be balanced by arbitrary rule sets that limit gameplay to the restrictive vision of the developers. It is a virtual war where the participants are free to risk it all if they so choose.

In Eve online there are battles where 10v10 turns into 10v10+100 super carriers and there are no rules to prevent it. Why should there be any arbitrary limit to the number of vehicles you can deploy at once?

Lots of vehicles just means your team should all switch to AV fits and enjoy the target rich environment and drink the tears of the opposition as they watch millions of ISK go down the drain for no reason.

Then why play an FPS? They should try this instead.

You totally missed the point.

Go look up the difference between a sandbox game and everything else.

In game design, a sandbox means you refrain from making design decisions based on a desired outcome and instead focus on making design decisions based on the desired environment.

What you want is a pure FPS which DUST is not in any sense. Its an FPS core within the largest and most flexible sandbox game world ever created, and that is a good thing.

i just had a basic swarm with complex damage mods
and a friend with proto swarm complex damage mods.

focusing fire with use of comms, and it didn't do anything to the three tanks spawn camping us.

You totally missed the point.

Go look up the difference between a sandbox game and everything else.

In game design, a sandbox means you refrain from making design decisions based on a desired outcome and instead focus on making design decisions based on the desired environment.

What you want is a pure FPS which DUST is not in any sense. Its an FPS core within the largest and most flexible sandbox game world ever created, and that is a good thing.

I don't care about your sandbox tbh. There doesn't need to be 180 tanks on one district that my corp is trying to take. That is stupid and no one will play dust if it is that imbalanced.

Then there wouldn't be small battles with player limits just open an battlefield where millions could just be in the EXACT same battle. This however is NOT a sandbox game, it will consist of small battles WITH player limits and therefore there NEEDS be a balanced vehicle limit.

The maximum carry capacity should not exceed the player limit. I.e 1 HAV/LAV every 3 players, and 1 Dropship every 6. Why would you send vehicles out if you don't have the clones to use them effectively?

Why limit the battlefield commander needlessly?

Give me free tanks and nobody to shoot them, and I'll have every guy in something like that. ;)

The economy needs to balance this, not some stupid cap.

Are you unaware of the changes coming regarding vehicles?

Changes to address vehicles are already in the works. I think we need to be patient for the next patch.

Lol some people are dumb, I never mentioned anything about difficulty destroying tanks. I use a prototype swarm launcher with a prototype SMG and destroy marauders all the f*king time. The issue I brought up was a 5 vehicles quota on a 12 person team. I have been in a game where MY team brought out 5 tanks and it was boring as f**k. One of you mentioned CoD... um do your research they have an even smaller vehicle quota. If they are trying to stress test vehicles then fine, I'm bringing up the point that vehicle quota needs to be reduced. If they are reducing it on launch then good.

This however is NOT a sandbox game,

blah blah blah...NEEDS Balance.... blah blah blah

in a true sandbox game like EVE are there player caps for battles?

So basically in a true online sandbox the only limit is the server capacity, where in Dust the limit is the predetermined battle size thus not a true sandbox game.

Adapt or die herp a derp.

Carlos is right. If there are 10 vehicles in a 12 vs 12 that means there will 100 vehicles in a 120 vs 120.

That is way to many.

Sorry, I should have been more articulate. If you hate vehicles and you find that you are going up against an extraordinary amount of vehicles (which you should have known wont happen for very much longer if you had bothered doing research on the subject what with the super fast sp gain and dirt cheap everything) you need to plan your strategy around the situation.

-Go as a sniper - you cant hurt the tanks but you can track them and relay the info to your squad and hey, the guys gotta get out to cap at some point right?

-Switch to a heavy - if you don't have one you should put points into it or better yet make another character you DO have 3 slots

-Call your own tank! because you know.. its a TANK!

these are just a few very basic ideas off the top of my head. So yeah. Adapt or die.

Also. HTFU

OH NOES CCP DONT ADD A CAP I MIGHT HAVE TO SHOOT MY GUN AND ACTUALLY PLAY THE FPS PART OF THE GAME.