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STB-stlcarlos989 EV
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
936
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:19:00 -
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In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change. |
Solarisjock
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:21:00 -
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the change is really easy, get 2 others on voice and grab an AV load out, have field day, farm SP |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:22:00 -
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They did it on purpose, to stress test vehicles. They'll be putting the price up on vehicles, and a tighter quota (I think).
Also, I believe that they're going to have 48-man games, so vehicles will have less of an impact. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:26:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change.
Yes and no.
Once the militia vehicles are removed again, tanks stop being a throwaway vehicle.
And there are a number oft other vehicle types to choose from, meaning there usually are a few tanks a few dropships and LAV's around. |
VigSniper101
204
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:44:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change.
I take it you havent suffered a round of Spawn a Tank in Starhawk.
And lm a foot soldier...but trust me, compared to that, its heaven here. And lve yet to see a team with 5 tanks in a round....hell, just had a game were all it took were 2 tanks to dominate us from start to finish...we didnt even get out of the starter area. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:48:00 -
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Laheon wrote:They did it on purpose, to stress test vehicles. They'll be putting the price up on vehicles, and a tighter quota (I think).
Also, I believe that they're going to have 48-man games, so vehicles will have less of an impact.
Dev quotes from IRC confirm that Militia vehicles won't remain free on release.
Dev posts on these forums confirm that vehicles are getting a MASSIVE price hike.
Older dev interviews confirm that players won't be able to "spam" vehicles and that you have to earn enough War Points befor you can call in the big guns. |
Fatmanpro
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
251
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:54:00 -
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Laheon wrote:They did it on purpose, to stress test players. They'll be putting the price up on vehicles, and a tighter quota (I think).
Also, I believe that they're going to have 48-man games, so vehicles will have less of an impact.
Fixed |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:01:00 -
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Solarisjock wrote:the change is really easy, get 2 others on voice and grab an AV load out, have field day, farm SP
i just had a basic swarm with complex damage mods
and a friend with proto swarm complex damage mods.
focusing fire with use of comms, and it didn't do anything to the three tanks spawn camping us. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:30:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change.
Your play style doesnt trump anyone elses. Get it or go back to CoD. If a match has 24 people and each person wants to do a tank then so be it. This is EVE/DUST universe, not happy hand holding funtime WoW/CoD crap. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:31:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Solarisjock wrote:the change is really easy, get 2 others on voice and grab an AV load out, have field day, farm SP i just had a basic swarm with complex damage mods and a friend with proto swarm complex damage mods. focusing fire with use of comms, and it didn't do anything to the three tanks spawn camping us.
Were the other tanks repairing the ones you were trying to kill? |
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Darkz azurr
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:32:00 -
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was just in a game with 4 surya's. i died 54 times trying to take them out with my forge gun, thats all i was trying to do all game, kill atleast 1.. managed to hit one 10 times, at the end, no tanks died. |
Victor Euel
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:39:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote: This is EVE/DUST universe, not happy hand holding funtime WoW/CoD crap.
That's quote is going to live with me for a long time. + Like. |
Varys Targaryen
200
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:39:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Solarisjock wrote:the change is really easy, get 2 others on voice and grab an AV load out, have field day, farm SP i just had a basic swarm with complex damage mods and a friend with proto swarm complex damage mods. focusing fire with use of comms, and it didn't do anything to the three tanks spawn camping us.
You're going to need to coordinate with more people than that. I sometimes run with a proto forge gun with 2 complex damage modifiers. If you get lucky, you can get people to listen to you by yelling at them through your mic. Even if they don't have a mic.
But until grouping is put in, we will continue to deal with insubordinate randoms. I personally, look forward to coming up with a plan for easily taking out one of the super tanks. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:41:00 -
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Darkz azurr wrote:was just in a game with 4 surya's. i died 54 times trying to take them out with my forge gun, thats all i was trying to do all game, kill atleast 1.. managed to hit one 10 times, at the end, no tanks died.
Wrong beta weekend. 1mill kills was last weekend. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:48:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change. Your play style doesnt trump anyone elses. Get it or go back to CoD. If a match has 24 people and each person wants to do a tank then so be it. This is EVE/DUST universe, not happy hand holding funtime WoW/CoD crap.
EvE isn't cruel or harsh. Anyone who believes that plays too much EvE.
1.) your asteroids regrow. LoL
2.) when you die, you respawn. LoL
3.) I could join the swarm, and instantly have 9000 goons on my side. LoL
4.) You keep you ISK when you die. LoL
5.) CCP destroyed BoB for everyone in new eden. Not LoL. Not funny. Begging your developer to not allow an alliance to reform is pathetic.
No hand holding? LoL, time you realised there are MUCH more cruel games on the market. With DEVs who won't cancel the biggest and clearly best corp in the game. |
Darkz azurr
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:48:00 -
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Longshot Ravenwood wrote:Darkz azurr wrote:was just in a game with 4 surya's. i died 54 times trying to take them out with my forge gun, thats all i was trying to do all game, kill atleast 1.. managed to hit one 10 times, at the end, no tanks died. Wrong beta weekend. 1mill kills was last weekend.
tell me about it 
it's the first time i have tried to do nothing but play anti vehicle role in a match , normally i kill way more than i die. next time i see 4 surya tanks and a couple of invisible eryx raining hell im just leaving. also saying i need help to take out this surya at b on a mic seems to go unheard. |
Solarisjock
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.07.19 17:50:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:
EvE isn't cruel or harsh. Anyone who believes that plays too much EvE.
1.) your asteroids regrow. LoL
2.) when you die, you respawn. LoL
3.) I could join the swarm, and instantly have 9000 goons on my side. LoL
4.) You keep you ISK when you die. LoL
5.) CCP destroyed BoB for everyone in new eden.
No hand holding? LoL, time you realised there are MUCH more cruel games on the market.
have you played eve? have you gotten into PVP fights and loss 600-700 million isk personally? and your right, you could join goons, and get 9k people to help you, anyone who you fight is going to be in, dare i say it, a HARSh time? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:00:00 -
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You played counterstrike or d2hc? Those are harsh games. ISK mean nothing to me. Earn a mil lose a mil doesn't matter. Your asteroids will be back on a few days and you can mine more millions. Omg so harsh.
Edit: on topic, tanks are tough. But assault teams with AV grenades are better. Exception being the missile turret tanks, which you must use a railgun tank to kill. Rock paper scissors? Kinda... Big rock better than small rock. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:06:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:You played counterstrike or d2hc? Those are harsh games. ISK mean nothing to me. Earn a mil lose a mil doesn't matter. Your asteroids will be back on a few days and you can mine more millions. Omg so harsh.
What's that? Die in CS, lose no skill?
Can't afford to update your clone in EVE, lose a few million SP, waste a few months?
Or lose 1bil+ isk in ships and implants?
So, losing nothing in the long run (CS) = losing a lot in the long run (EVE). Congrats, sir. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:08:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change. Your play style doesnt trump anyone elses. Get it or go back to CoD. If a match has 24 people and each person wants to do a tank then so be it. This is EVE/DUST universe, not happy hand holding funtime WoW/CoD crap. EvE isn't cruel or harsh. Anyone who believes that plays too much EvE. 1.) your asteroids regrow. LoL 2.) when you die, you respawn. LoL 3.) I could join the swarm, and instantly have 9000 goons on my side. LoL 4.) You keep you ISK when you die. LoL 5.) CCP destroyed BoB for everyone in new eden. Not LoL. Not funny. Begging your developer to not allow an alliance to reform is pathetic. No hand holding? LoL, time you realised there are MUCH more cruel games on the market. With DEVs who won't cancel the biggest and clearly best corp in the game.
1. No, they dont. New sites show up after downtime.
2. No, your clone is animated.
3. No, you have to do a bunch of crap and pay 10$ to join goonswarm. Have fun with that.
4. No, ever lost a 1.2 billion ISK carrier, with another .8 billion in fittings? The insurance alone costs 200-300 million, and you get a 1 billion ISK payout from that. So 2.25 billion -- 1 billion = 1.25 billion ISK loss. YOU FAIL AT MATHS.
5. I dont even....lern to google. |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:14:00 -
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CS you die you lose equipment. There are no skills to artificially improve you unlike in EvE. Can't aim in CS? Doomed. EvE you can do 100 different things. CS you just have to be good. Or get better.
I notice you didn't mention d2hc. Good call.
Edit:
Tadec you lose your ship. If you have 10 billion in the bank it's really no problem. Which you will. From mining the respawning asteroids in your freshly respawned clone.
The bob stuff is ALL from google/wiki/eve forums.
Did you pay goonswarm $10? Lolololol |
STB-stlcarlos989 EV
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
936
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:40:00 -
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Lol some people are dumb, I never mentioned anything about difficulty destroying tanks. I use a prototype swarm launcher with a prototype SMG and destroy marauders all the f*king time. The issue I brought up was a 5 vehicles quota on a 12 person team. I have been in a game where MY team brought out 5 tanks and it was boring as f**k. One of you mentioned CoD... um do your research they have an even smaller vehicle quota. If they are trying to stress test vehicles then fine, I'm bringing up the point that vehicle quota needs to be reduced. If they are reducing it on launch then good. |
Sephoran Griffith
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:49:00 -
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VigSniper101 wrote:STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change. I take it you havent suffered a round of Spawn a Tank in Starhawk. And lm a foot soldier...but trust me, compared to that, its heaven here. And lve yet to see a team with 5 tanks in a round....hell, just had a game were all it took were 2 tanks to dominate us from start to finish...we didnt even get out of the starter area.
Need someone to take the strategic approach and drop some spawn points. Most are too selfish with their D/D to do any team playing. |
Sephoran Griffith
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:50:00 -
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Victor Euel wrote:Paran Tadec wrote: This is EVE/DUST universe, not happy hand holding funtime WoW/CoD crap. That's quote is going to live with me for a long time. + Like.
+ 1,000,000 |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:54:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:
Tadec you lose your ship. If you have 10 billion in the bank it's really no problem. Which you will. From mining the respawning asteroids in your freshly respawned clone.
The bob stuff is ALL from google/wiki/eve forums.
Did you pay goonswarm $10? Lolololol
LOL. Have you ever played EVE? Go ahead, go mine the materials to build a carrier and see how that takes ya.
No. Not a part of failswarm, never will be. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:12:00 -
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My point is you can rebuild, keep your skills and resources are infinate. That is not a cruel harsh universe. (good to hear your not in goonswarm)
I've had enough of people telling me what a nasty place new Eden is. It seems quite welcoming on a trial. It's the PLAYERS and the attitude which is harsh. Well, once you get to 0.0 anyway. And I did get popped by some gate campers the first time I went low sec (except basgerin. My favorite system so far, spent quite some time dodging some guy in a Tengu...it looked a bit better than my catalyst heh)
And yeah 5/12 in tanks is stupid. 4/12 means they will be fully manned. |
Milk Supreme
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
127
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:17:00 -
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There are some terrible attitudes and grammar in this thread.
Anyway, not sure how CCP is going to approach this, but in public games, I believe vehicles should be limited by this war point thing, so as to each team can't spam too much.
At the moment the vehicle cap is high as to weed out as much bugs as possible for testing (although I think we've found enough to warrant a new build, not sure if it's CCP's or Sony's fault for such slow pacing on patches)
For corp matches, the limitation should be the limits of one's wallets.
The team who is willing to put more on the line, should be allowed so. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:19:00 -
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I see many corp battles ending in a black screen if that is the case :) |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:22:00 -
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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:Lol some people are dumb, I never mentioned anything about difficulty destroying tanks. I use a prototype swarm launcher with a prototype SMG and destroy marauders all the f*king time. The issue I brought up was a 5 vehicles quota on a 12 person team. I have been in a game where MY team brought out 5 tanks and it was boring as f**k. One of you mentioned CoD... um do your research they have an even smaller vehicle quota. If they are trying to stress test vehicles then fine, I'm bringing up the point that vehicle quota needs to be reduced. If they are reducing it on launch then good.
Carlos...
I'm sorry.
That last game we played. We brought out 5 tanks just to mess with you.
Blame Nugent |
Milk Supreme
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
127
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Posted - 2012.07.19 19:25:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:
Carlos...
I'm sorry.
That last game we played. We brought out 5 tanks just to mess with you.
Blame Nugent
I lost 5 tanks that round
1 from being ran over by a friendly Surya
3 from bugs
1 from driving into the red zone edge and not noticing the timer :(
Anyway, saying EVE is harsh kind of works both ways.
It's harsh if you don't know your way around.
It's harsh if you don't know how to work the system.
Dying in EVE has much steeper consequences than any other game you've played before, the scaling is much steeper, while at the same time, having the very real risk of someone betraying you and friendly firing your ass.
Earning money for goodies in EVE is like earning 1000 isk per round in DUST.
Now 1000 isk can go a long way in buying cheap stuff, but if you want to get to the big shiny things, it costs worlds more.
And then theres the spying and world of intelligence gathering and espionage metagame, but that could take hours to explain.
The closest game I've played with this, the more you have, the more you have to lose mentality would be DayZ
By the way, everyone should totally play DayZ, it's awesome |
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