It's the PLAYERS and the attitude which is harsh. Well, once you get to 0.0 anyway. And I did get popped by some gate campers the first time I went low sec

Depends on the players. Atleast you are venturing outside of highsec unlike all the highsec trash forum whiners.

1. No, they dont. New sites show up after downtime.
2. No, your clone is animated.
3. No, you have to do a bunch of crap and pay 10$ to join goonswarm. Have fun with that.
4. No, ever lost a 1.2 billion ISK carrier, with another .8 billion in fittings? The insurance alone costs 200-300 million, and you get a 1 billion ISK payout from that. So 2.25 billion -- 1 billion = 1.25 billion ISK loss. YOU FAIL AT MATHS.
5. I dont even....lern to google.

LOL. Have you ever played EVE? Go ahead, go mine the materials to build a carrier and see how that takes ya.
No. Not a part of failswarm, never will be.

1. No, they dont. New sites show up after downtime.
2. No, your clone is animated.
3. No, you have to do a bunch of crap and pay 10$ to join goonswarm. Have fun with that.
4. No, ever lost a 1.2 billion ISK carrier, with another .8 billion in fittings? The insurance alone costs 200-300 million, and you get a 1 billion ISK payout from that. So 2.25 billion -- 1 billion = 1.25 billion ISK loss. YOU FAIL AT MATHS.
5. I dont even....lern to google.

Just to extend on point 2

2. If your clone isnt upto date you lose so many SP, ie clone is upgraded to 5mil SP but you have 7mil in SP, when you die you lose 2mil in SP and also the skills you learned and also implants if you had any

So really you could lose the ability to fly a certain ship or use mods and the implants if you had any tht you lose means that your queue time will be longer and also may lose some bonus implants to gunnery or missiles etc

In a 12v12 game mode a team can have 5 tanks... um that seems a bit excessive CCP. I play FPS games to first person shoot people but I guess others do it to use vehicles but to each his own. With 24 people and the potential of 10 tanks in 1 game there needs to be a change.

A good change would br.switching to something that can take down a tank.. its called heavy.dropsuits.. check it out.

I do not believe that arbitrary limits on the number of XX you want to use has any place in a sandbox game.

If your team wants to bring in a separate tank for each player and have all tanks versus the other team, then go for it. Its your ISK, its your loss.

This is not an Arena game where the game modes are supposed to be balanced by arbitrary rule sets that limit gameplay to the restrictive vision of the developers. It is a virtual war where the participants are free to risk it all if they so choose.

In Eve online there are battles where 10v10 turns into 10v10+100 super carriers and there are no rules to prevent it. Why should there be any arbitrary limit to the number of vehicles you can deploy at once?

Lots of vehicles just means your team should all switch to AV fits and enjoy the target rich environment and drink the tears of the opposition as they watch millions of ISK go down the drain for no reason.

Then why play an FPS? They should try this instead.

You totally missed the point.

Go look up the difference between a sandbox game and everything else.

In game design, a sandbox means you refrain from making design decisions based on a desired outcome and instead focus on making design decisions based on the desired environment.

What you want is a pure FPS which DUST is not in any sense. Its an FPS core within the largest and most flexible sandbox game world ever created, and that is a good thing.

i just had a basic swarm with complex damage mods
and a friend with proto swarm complex damage mods.

focusing fire with use of comms, and it didn't do anything to the three tanks spawn camping us.

You totally missed the point.

Go look up the difference between a sandbox game and everything else.

In game design, a sandbox means you refrain from making design decisions based on a desired outcome and instead focus on making design decisions based on the desired environment.

What you want is a pure FPS which DUST is not in any sense. Its an FPS core within the largest and most flexible sandbox game world ever created, and that is a good thing.

I don't care about your sandbox tbh. There doesn't need to be 180 tanks on one district that my corp is trying to take. That is stupid and no one will play dust if it is that imbalanced.

Then there wouldn't be small battles with player limits just open an battlefield where millions could just be in the EXACT same battle. This however is NOT a sandbox game, it will consist of small battles WITH player limits and therefore there NEEDS be a balanced vehicle limit.

The maximum carry capacity should not exceed the player limit. I.e 1 HAV/LAV every 3 players, and 1 Dropship every 6. Why would you send vehicles out if you don't have the clones to use them effectively?

Why limit the battlefield commander needlessly?

Give me free tanks and nobody to shoot them, and I'll have every guy in something like that. ;)

The economy needs to balance this, not some stupid cap.

Are you unaware of the changes coming regarding vehicles?

Changes to address vehicles are already in the works. I think we need to be patient for the next patch.

Lol some people are dumb, I never mentioned anything about difficulty destroying tanks. I use a prototype swarm launcher with a prototype SMG and destroy marauders all the f*king time. The issue I brought up was a 5 vehicles quota on a 12 person team. I have been in a game where MY team brought out 5 tanks and it was boring as f**k. One of you mentioned CoD... um do your research they have an even smaller vehicle quota. If they are trying to stress test vehicles then fine, I'm bringing up the point that vehicle quota needs to be reduced. If they are reducing it on launch then good.

This however is NOT a sandbox game,

blah blah blah...NEEDS Balance.... blah blah blah

in a true sandbox game like EVE are there player caps for battles?

So basically in a true online sandbox the only limit is the server capacity, where in Dust the limit is the predetermined battle size thus not a true sandbox game.

Adapt or die herp a derp.

Carlos is right. If there are 10 vehicles in a 12 vs 12 that means there will 100 vehicles in a 120 vs 120.

That is way to many.