Isn't that how you like it though... needing an entire team to bring down one pilot?

Yeah, he's been doing this for ages.

You must have missed the fun Tanker threads of ages past.

At least he has experience playing, instead of experience being a forum warrior.

Ooooooh ****

Yeah, he's been doing this for ages.

You must have missed the fun Tanker threads of ages past.

I'm both. Though at this point I probably spend more times on the forums than on the game, but earlier in my career it was equal time with both.

Only reason I dont get on is because there's no point in getting ISK or SP. lol

Only reason I dont get on is because there's no point in getting ISK or SP. lol

Only reason I dont get on is because there's no point in getting ISK or SP. lol

But this is CCP.

Now i could easily resub back to EVE, i enjoyed it, it is a social game but even so afk mining or just floating about was fun. There was always something do but the major drawback for me was always PVP, it was terrible frankly since it was a giant blobfest the vast majority of the time and finding a 1v1 without an OGB was next to impossible i found unless it was someone afk in a FW complex and this ruined null and FW to a point even though being in FW was fun.

But EVE is complete, you can dive in and have a vast number of options at your fingertips and play it.

DUST514 is not complete and got the plug pulled and now 6 years later Nova is announced, not with a fanfare but a whimper, Hilmar didn't look too impressed and in the same breath said that CCP would not be afraid to axe failing projects which is a red flag to me since we know that CCP were not happy with DUST and Nova is still a unlit project.

What i saw was labeled as a 'tech demo' to showcase the game at its core and how it is going back to its roots as an FPS to fix the basic mechanics which is all well and good but if other mechanics are missing or just outright bad then you end up like MGO3 with great mechanics but shite gameplay.

The demo was very basic, the map was small and no longer on a planet so that hinted at arena type maps and not open world which also means no vehicles or AV.

Players can quickly jump into a match but dev comments after stated that you can unlock more things for it the more you play that role, this is a bad decision and a dumbing down of the game and a forced restriction of the player choices. SP and skillbooks allow you to train up many skills which can improve your role even if you for a logi suit to be a slayer, look at EVE for direction again freedom to do what you want and how to do it.

32 roles? I had more with my vehicles and even so the 4 different factions which will have the 3 different suits split up twice really does mean 8 roles which will be the same for the 4 factions so it is not really 32 roles if Logi features 4 times.

Jump jets, talk about not learning from the myo problem where we currently have scouts jumping around like they are on the moon.

16v16 on PC for a supposedly MMO, we have had 16v16 on PS3 for 6 years where is the ambition? EVE has stupidly massive fleet fights, your novels and stories has massive fights in both space and ground so why not Nova?.

A roundtable was nonexistant, no other information relating to the game was released or even expanded upon, very vauge statements released to gaming websites in which i have heard before many times years ago when DUST was around in that the game is looking to do x and we want to do y.

I am a realist when it comes to any games these days, i know that EA will shaft you and that Ubisoft will rush something half finished and that CCP thinks big but fails to deliver unless it is EVE.

DUST has had years on an outdated platform which everyone knew it would not last, they achieved linking it to EVE but overall failed at what they wanted to accomplish and what the players wanted to do in the game. The game had good times and bad times but most of it was linked to various events outside the players control such as 'rouge wedding' or change in staff which means a change in ideas and vision along with other side projects eating away at the office like Valkyrie/Legion.

Nova is a second chance if it does not get scrapped that is but will it suffer from the same problems that DUST suffered from? Will the same mistakes keep being repeated? will CCP actually learn anything? but then it is on PC which brings new challenges such as stopping cheaters with aimbots aswell as the lag switchers and possible mod abusers if they allow mods.

End of the day i am taking everything CCP say with a big tanker full of salt until i see it actually implemented in the game.

I think this is CCP last shot, they know it and we know it and unless it is really profitable they will not be afraid to pull the plug this time instead of letting it limp on.

Isn't that how you like it though... needing an entire team to bring down one pilot?

It's a giant killing machine vs a meat suit. Of course it should take more than one person to destroy it.

its only a dream ! go back to bed !

One more thing about vehicles inside spaceships. The dropship pilots will obviously have a better sense of scale and distance since the walls and ceiling of the interior of a hangar inside a warbarge will allow the pilot to better judge where they are in 3D space and understand where the boundaries are at. So far in Dust, invisible walls in the sky don't help.

And you wouldn't need to call in an RDV. The vehicles would already be right there. Just board them.

Oh god here we go again. I would tell you to look up all the arguments from before but they have probably disappeared into the either, so allow us to summarise.

It's a tank versus on man: Now if this were one man with an assault, HMG or Mass Driver, I would agree with you, since they can't fight back.

However if we are talking an Anti-Vehicle for, with Anti-Vehicle weaponry, then yes the "Meat Suit" should win if he uses the environment and other tactics to his advantage.

But that's not how it works in real life: Almost true, most AV teams are 2-man, one to act as a spotter, ammo carrier and Anti-Personnel the other 2 fire the Quarter Million Pound Missile that can one shot an Abram's. This was observable in DUST where AVers would often pick up protection details from friendly mercy while moving into position.

But that tank costs 5 times as much SP and ISK: Firstly this myth was actually debunked, a dedicated AV fit came in at 2mill more SP and about 53,000 ISK Higher. This only included skills of equal stature on the vehicle tree.

Secondly ISK should never be used as balancing factor, ISK should be balanced to the item not vice versa.

But you can use your own tanks/vehicles/Dropships: We did regularly, one of the complaints made by Spkr was how Dropships could sit in his blind spot and solo him, or how LAV bombs could solo him, or how terrain could solo him etc etc etc.

Secondly this means that both sides need dedicated vehicle players all the time. And that the whole match is then decided by which teams tankers get superiority.

Finally, DUST and soon NOVA will have an arbitrary cap on the number of participants in a battle. That is to say I can only send 16 people from a corporation of possibly thousands to fight the battle. This means anything that swings force balance in one direction must be directly countered by something else, to maintain equilibrium. If vehicles require more than 1 person to taken them down you end up with a force disparity. Which makes the game center round Vehicles and AV useless.

It never took an entire team to take out pilots in PC, all you cared about was balance in pubs which is the wrong way to balance things.

Vehicles took each other out in PC plenty of times, organized AV players did the same all the time.

CCP balanced this game for pubs and that 1 scrub who kept losing to a HAV.

I cant help it that in pubs it may have took half the team to take me out, i was obv good at what i did and they were not but pubs is random matchmaking.

Issue with that is 90% of the playerbase after 2014 just farmed or did pubs..so is it logical to cater to the 10%?
Yes I pulled that percent out of my ass

Wait wait wait. How did a thread about p!ssing on a demo become a necro av/v thread?

I suppose you're right though. 649 previous posts just didn't nail the points hard enough. Mybad. Carry on!

I've been watching both sides for a long time. Problem is, everybody shat on vehicles and pilots, whereas the pilots had legitimate grievances. Homing grenades that did ~1800 damage against unprotected armor EACH. You really think that's balanced? Swarms that could lock on behind objects and rocks, and be fire straight up to avoid it all. That's balanced? Back when swarms and infantry wouldn't register at all for those in dropships. You think it's just fine for such an investment as an ADS to get brayed from basically nowhere? How about when swarm lock on range was 400m. Was that fair?

You may have been watching, but it's clear you weren't paying attention.

I was one of the people saying Swarm tracking circles were too tight. Unfortunately a bug in swarm launcher missiles resulted in the turning circle increasing dramatically towards the end of their path. Was it fair? Most certainly not, it meant that most SL hits were on a vehicles critical points. Was it an AVers fault? Most definitely not.

I suppose your talking about the AV grenades? The ones that had a 1.5 meter lock-on distance? Well put it this way, if someone can get a grenade within 1.5 meters of a moving tank at the edge of grenade throwing distance, do they not deserve to do 1800 damage? And if they were close enough so as to not miss do you not think having a gunner, instead of being a solo death machine, would have solved the problem?

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on Swarm Launcher mechanics, they most certainly could not lock-on through buildings or terrain, believe me I tried. Swarm Launchers were actually very temperamental and had a tendency to loose lock for no apparent reason. What you were seeing was the SL ability to maintain a lock for a short period of time (less than a second) during which an AV-er would duck back behind cover to conceal there launch location. Very advanced tactic.

I flew in Dropships during that time, back when no hud came up for infantry, but then again I was never really aiming at Infantry so it didn't bother me, the only time I needed I was already close enough to see the whites of their eyes.

When Swarm Lock-on range was 400m it was certainly at lot fairer than when it was less than 150m you know when Dropships had longer range and could sit just out side your lock-on pummeling infantry.

This only shows to prove why vehicles would NEVER have been balanced in DUST they had no role or reason. People treated them as big expensive Dropsuits. Maybe if they ever get introduced into NOVA, CCP won't make the same mistake of adding them without giving them a cause.

So basically you wanted Call of Duty in space because vehicles didn't fit the extremely narrow role you wanted them to.

You sound almost exactly like Taki and Spkr, are you sure your not an ALT for one of them?

If you look up some of my old posts, I'm one of the people who wanted more vehicles with better defined roles. If you also look you will see I'm opposed to "Call of Duty in Space".

Vehicles don't work with such small Team Sizes and unbalanced Force Strength doesn't work with any form of arbitrary cap.

Ideally we need at least 32v32 before it would make sense for medium class vehicles to come in to play.
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