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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:08:00 - [1] - Quote This is really linked to the article I wrote last night, but I wanted to start a thread out of curiosity for how people feel about a certain aspect of said article. Just assume that you're in my world of Boundless Optimism, and a port happens, may that be on PS4 or PC or whatever. What would you want to transfer over from this game to the next? ISK AUR SP LP Faction Standing DK BPOs SKINs Gear/Suits/Assets ect. What do you think would be appropriate for CCP to allow to be transferred? "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 710	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:12:00 - [2] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: This is really linked to the article I wrote last night, but I wanted to start a thread out of curiosity for how people feel about a certain aspect of said article. Just assume that you're in my world of Boundless Optimism, and a port happens, may that be on PS4 or PC or whatever. What would you want to transfer over from this game to the next? ISK AUR SP LP Faction Standing DK BPOs SKINs Gear/Suits/Assets ect. What do you think would be appropriate for CCP to allow to be transferred? that list looks right linked to twitter for our Eve Friends
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:16:00 - [3] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: This is really linked to the article I wrote last night, but I wanted to start a thread out of curiosity for how people feel about a certain aspect of said article. Just assume that you're in my world of Boundless Optimism, and a port happens, may that be on PS4 or PC or whatever. What would you want to transfer over from this game to the next? ISK AUR SP LP Faction Standing DK BPOs SKINs Gear/Suits/Assets ect. What do you think would be appropriate for CCP to allow to be transferred? that list looks right Well Im more asking, of those things, what would you personally feel are essential to be transfered over? In your case would you want all of it? I'm really just asking people out of curiosity about what their expectations are. "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
DogeGode Master 244	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:18:00 - [4] - Quote Everything would be appropriate, however it wouldn't necessarily be wise. ISK would be the least thing to be worried about because of how easily it's generated, LP and DK as well. AUR is real life money, so definitely transferable. I don't how it would be toxic/unsafe to transfer faction standing, bpos, and skins. Gear can be wiped since it's like isk, excluding aurum items of course. SP is a tough one, yes players did in fact work for it, but it may completely destroy the NPE without proper balancing of matches. Probably not a complete transfer, unless it becomes feasible contextually, at least some percentage should definitely be transferred without a doubt. Totally not an alt.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 710	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:20:00 - [5] - Quote we all assume corp and alliances would transfer
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 710	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:23:00 - [6] - Quote Big question would be if ps3 dust514 would still run and you would have the same character on two platforms 1.ps3 character skilling different path after mirror like singularity 2.pc/ps4 character skilling different path as there maybe more skills
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:23:00 - [7] - Quote Firstly, I would be against a PC version for reasons of security and CCP's inherent lack thereof. Secondly, I would transfer everything. People who suffered the PS3 version should get a substantial advantage over those who have chosen not to. Of course, we don't want to scare everyone off as it debuts on a new piece of hardware. So we then run into the meta-level lockout scenario for public contracts which may prove appropriate so long as FW and PC are given access to everything. I'd say the lockout should support up to advanced gear or so, and disable damage bonuses from the warbarge (assuming that cancer is still a thing). This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 7	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:25:00 - [8] - Quote DogeGode Master wrote: Everything would be appropriate, however it wouldn't necessarily be wise. Pretty much my thoughts. Which is why I think the community needs to have a discussion about what is truly important to them so we can set reasonable expectations for both ourselves and for CCP. "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 710	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:27:00 - [9] - Quote DogeGode Master wrote: Everything would be appropriate, however it wouldn't necessarily be wise. ISK would be the least thing to be worried about because of how easily it's generated, LP and DK as well. AUR is real life money, so definitely transferable. I don't how it would be toxic/unsafe to transfer faction standing, bpos, and skins. Gear can be wiped since it's like isk, excluding aurum items of course. SP is a tough one, yes players did in fact work for it, but it may completely destroy the NPE without proper balancing of matches. Probably not a complete transfer, unless it becomes feasible contextually, at least some percentage should definitely be transferred without a doubt. EVE has two Big Servers Tranquility and singulaity Singularity (Sisi) is a public test server for EVE Online that is used by both CCP developers and EVE players to test changes and new features before they are released to the Tranquility server. Test servers have a very strict set of rules. Its primary function is to provide a test environment as close as possible to the live environment of Tranquility. For this purpose, the Tranquility database is "mirrored" (copied) over to the Singularity server once every few months (or more often, if needed by the CCP Quality Assurance department). For testing the performance of the server and client with many players at the same place (specially fleet-fights) there are periodical mass testing events. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Singularity So maybe both console and nextgen dust upgrade maybe run at the same time
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 5	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:30:00 - [10] - Quote Probably keep everything, but be separated from new players for at least 5-6 months. Let's both protect them and give em the objective to access the vet zone. Squad invites can override. Camouflage master =ƒÄà

ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 963	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:31:00 - [11] - Quote I think it would possibly be bad for the game to transfer ISK + SP and the like as much as I would like them to. That being said we need something substantial that represents our time here in DUST. Ranks, loyalty ranks anything else that we can think of that wont directly interfere with the NPE but at the same time satisfies us as PS3 DUST players on the (presumed) next gen DUST. It also depends a lot on what a possible next Gen DUST 514 actually has. If it had some sort of rankings and commander mode like in Battlefield games then I would like our SP levels or something to give us a rank boost in the next game. But its all so hypothetical its hard to think of what these things might actually be.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:35:00 - [12] - Quote Seriously. I was against it for a while, but meta level lockout really isn't that bad of an idea and it specifically protects newbies. I mean if a person really wanted to put a proto gun on a suit they could, but the rest of their fitting would suffer immensely for it due to the meta value. It's a good system. And really, you can do a lot with advanced mods. There is freedom to be had with those kind of fittings these days. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 710	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:35:00 - [13] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: I think it would possibly be bad for the game to transfer ISK + SP and the like as much as I would like them to. That being said we need something substantial that represents our time here in DUST. Ranks, loyalty ranks anything else that we can think of that wont directly interfere with the NPE but at the same time satisfies us as PS3 DUST players on the (presumed) next gen DUST. It also depends a lot on what a possible next Gen DUST 514 actually has. If it had some sort of rankings and commander mode like in Battlefield games then I would like our SP levels or something to give us a rank boost in the next game. But its all so hypothetical its hard to think of what these things might actually be. CCP wants a EVE Like sandbox so isk MUST TRANSFER its a big universe that can be divided up to high sec low sec and nulsec so new players can be protected in high sec from the better assets of the isk rich players
ANON Cerberus TerranProtossZerg 963	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:38:00 - [14] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: I think it would possibly be bad for the game to transfer ISK + SP and the like as much as I would like them to. That being said we need something substantial that represents our time here in DUST. Ranks, loyalty ranks anything else that we can think of that wont directly interfere with the NPE but at the same time satisfies us as PS3 DUST players on the (presumed) next gen DUST. It also depends a lot on what a possible next Gen DUST 514 actually has. If it had some sort of rankings and commander mode like in Battlefield games then I would like our SP levels or something to give us a rank boost in the next game. But its all so hypothetical its hard to think of what these things might actually be. CCP wants a EVE Like sandbox so isk MUST TRANSFER its a big universe that can be divided up to high sec low sec and nulsec so new players can be protected in high sec from the better assets of the isk rich players Totally agreed. However you are talking about the original vision that we all had of DUST being an openworld sandbox FPS. Sadly we never even came close. Instead we have a lobby based FPS match game very similar to the old battlefield games. Now im not saying they could not have High / Low / Null sec but so far we have to work with what we have seen.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 710	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:41:00 - [15] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: I think it would possibly be bad for the game to transfer ISK + SP and the like as much as I would like them to. That being said we need something substantial that represents our time here in DUST. Ranks, loyalty ranks anything else that we can think of that wont directly interfere with the NPE but at the same time satisfies us as PS3 DUST players on the (presumed) next gen DUST. It also depends a lot on what a possible next Gen DUST 514 actually has. If it had some sort of rankings and commander mode like in Battlefield games then I would like our SP levels or something to give us a rank boost in the next game. But its all so hypothetical its hard to think of what these things might actually be. EVE is not FAIR hard truth people. The game they(CCP) want will get to the point it is in dust now. New players with a little skill points and a little isk and Vets with alot of skill points and alot of isk.and in EVE and maybe our new port we MAYBE able to lose all those assets quickly. People in Eve have lost everything at a moments notice. Hard universe you want dust to go to.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL RUST415 710	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:42:00 - [16] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: I think it would possibly be bad for the game to transfer ISK + SP and the like as much as I would like them to. That being said we need something substantial that represents our time here in DUST. Ranks, loyalty ranks anything else that we can think of that wont directly interfere with the NPE but at the same time satisfies us as PS3 DUST players on the (presumed) next gen DUST. It also depends a lot on what a possible next Gen DUST 514 actually has. If it had some sort of rankings and commander mode like in Battlefield games then I would like our SP levels or something to give us a rank boost in the next game. But its all so hypothetical its hard to think of what these things might actually be. CCP wants a EVE Like sandbox so isk MUST TRANSFER its a big universe that can be divided up to high sec low sec and nulsec so new players can be protected in high sec from the better assets of the isk rich players Totally agreed. However you are talking about the original vision that we all had of DUST being an openworld sandbox FPS. Sadly we never even came close. Instead we have a lobby based FPS match game very similar to the old battlefield games. Now im not saying they could not have High / Low / Null sec but so far we have to work with what we have seen. Fanfest 2014 vison is the goal of a ported dust
DJINN Heartreaper Negative-Feedback. 32	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:51:00 - [17] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: we all assume corp and alliances would transfer Yes considering they exist in both dust and eve
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:54:00 - [18] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: This is really linked to the article I wrote last night, but I wanted to start a thread out of curiosity for how people feel about a certain aspect of said article. Just assume that you're in my world of Boundless Optimism, and a port happens, may that be on PS4 or PC or whatever. What would you want to transfer over from this game to the next? ISK AUR SP LP Faction Standing DK BPOs SKINs Gear/Suits/Assets ect. What do you think would be appropriate for CCP to allow to be transferred? I think the better question is what should CCP transfer for us to allow them to ask us for more money. They have delivered no where near the expected standard for a gaming company of any size. Pretty trailers and cool animations is just not going to cut it any more thanks to them showing absolutely zero commitment or appreciation for us as customers. Simply put on transfers it has to be ALL OR NOTHING for me to even waste the space on any of my devices. Why do I have such a hard stance on that to the point I am ready to ignore a port if everything is not transferred? Because we never got to see any actualization of a good game on this the first go round while we were continually asked to spend more and more money. If they want us to start over on spending or progress to get something out of their products then it is simply not worth it. We have suffered through continuous nerfs and buffs. We have dealt with unending lags and been the best bug testers a company could ask for considering we payed well for the privilege. Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Imperium Eden 4	Posted - 2015.12.20 12:51:00 - [19] - Quote * ISK: No way in hell. The money faucet from PC and even selling crap to the NPC has made the economy in DUST way lopsided and beyond repair. If there is ever going to be an absence of the NPC market, I think CCP would want a clean slate and not people with billions of ISK. * AUR: Yes. I don't expect DUST Aurum to ever equal EVE Aurum though. The amounts are too different to where it is like 8 DUST AUR to 1 EVE AUR. Plex is 15 dollars and you get 3,500. The cheapest and most inefficient way of buying Aurum in DUST is 5 dollars for 10,000 and even just 20 dollars gets your 43,000. That being said, it is still money that we spent on the game. Not having this is a spit in the face of those that spent money on the 'testing phase' of {Insert name of new New Eden FPS on PC and/or PS4}. * SP: Yes. People spent real money. * LP: Yes. * Faction Standing: Yes. * DK: Dunno. The system might be totally different. * BPOs: Yes. You spent money. * SKINs: There is absolutely no reason why this wouldn't be yes. SKIN's do nothing but do cosmetic stuff and people spent cash money on them. * Gear/Suits/Assets: I doubt it. Just like why I don't think ISK will transfer. * Social Stuff: Character names, Corporations, etc. are all essential to making our 'previous lives' not feel totally worthless. If it comes down to not getting stuff that people spent money on (Aurum items, SP, BPO's**, SKIN's), I don't think I will play. Or, if I do, you can expect me to basically never spend a dollar on the game again. I think BPO's are going to be the biggest problem. If "SOOT 625" is going the route of Legion where everything is already a BPO, that means that the BPO's that I bought became 20 dollar skins. The DREN Packs amount to 50 dollars for very, very minor recolors. And when it comes to modules that may not exist anymore, it is really quite difficult to reimburse. IE, if Militia Equipment no longer exists, how are you going to properly reimburse when some people bought them for 50 cents each and other 5 dollars each? That is the reason why our Aurum purchases were not refunded when the game moved from beta to 'live.' "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
castba 997	Posted - 2015.12.20 13:14:00 - [20] - Quote SKINs and non-apex BPO's... ... or perhaps apex loadouts could be the PS3 Dust player recognition items? "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti

Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1	Posted - 2015.12.20 13:20:00 - [21] - Quote ISK, Assets, LP, and DK- No BPO/Skins(anything that came from Aurum)- Transferred as Aurum SP- Include "temporary" Active Booster that expires until you reach half of SP earned in prior game(only one per account) Social Stuffies- Yes AmarrFTW "The Hero got his feelings hurt for 9 hp... " Not For Sale- Sanders 2016
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.12.20 13:29:00 - [22] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: What would you want to transfer over from this game to the next? SP LP Faction Standing BPOs ...and duna2002, lol. Please support fair play!
Amuf Oratok Libera nos a malo 103	Posted - 2015.12.20 13:40:00 - [23] - Quote Nothing at all, but we could receive some boosters and special items. Merry Xmas!
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 199	Posted - 2015.12.20 14:55:00 - [24] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: we all assume corp and alliances would transfer Lag caused by cross regionial squads, no.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.12.20 15:03:00 - [25] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: ISK, Assets, LP, and DK- No BPO/Skins(anything that came from Aurum)- Transferred as Aurum SP- Include "temporary" Active Booster that expires until you reach half of SP earned in prior game(only one per account) Social Stuffies- Yes People paid real money for ISK, LP, and many other assets. Jara for NPC monies. Various BPOs and skins that were made tradeable. LP Boosters. The list goes on. My point is why the heck would I spend money in some new game when they have decided that only a portion of my previously spent money has enough value to be transferred. I would be willing to check it out if nothing transferred meaning CCP is claiming it as an all new game but the money spent would be a big fat zero. Other than that the only way I even login is if every single thing transfers. Saying part of my money should not make it over because someone does not like how I used it is just plain dumb. Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.20 15:32:00 - [26] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Luther Mandrix wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: This is really linked to the article I wrote last night, but I wanted to start a thread out of curiosity for how people feel about a certain aspect of said article. Just assume that you're in my world of Boundless Optimism, and a port happens, may that be on PS4 or PC or whatever. What would you want to transfer over from this game to the next? ISK AUR SP LP Faction Standing DK BPOs SKINs Gear/Suits/Assets ect. What do you think would be appropriate for CCP to allow to be transferred? that list looks right Well Im more asking, of those things, what would you personally feel are essential to be transfered over? In your case would you want all of it? I'm really just asking people out of curiosity about what their expectations are. I would say all of it. I mean, think of it like what's probably going to happen with Destiny II. That game is going to be current-gen only, and while it will no doubt raise the level cap and introduce new, higher-tier weapons that are essential for beating the new content, I would be VERY surprised if you also didn't keep all your old gear. If a game that's going to release a new title every 2 years is going to let you continue to progress your character over 10 years as they've said so many times, I really don't see any way to justify not having the same with this game when it's only going to be making one move at most for the next 5 years at least. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.20 15:42:00 - [27] - Quote If this game moves to another console or PC CCP should just wipe out everyone sp and isk. Keeping our items would be just fine most of them wouldn't be usable to us early on anyway. Plus items that can be used early on can be remarketed and made available to new players. So no one would have any real advantage over anyone else. Everyone would more or less be on the same page as everyone else. The climb now that was the best. That was how great corporations were built. So yeah lets take it back to the beginning. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.20 15:50:00 - [28] - Quote castba wrote: SKINs and non-apex BPO's... ... or perhaps apex loadouts could be the PS3 Dust player recognition items? Your top statement is a bit contradictory considering most items listed on apex BPo suits also sold separately. However your second statement now that's going places. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2015.12.20 15:57:00 - [29] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: This is really linked to the article I wrote last night, but I wanted to start a thread out of curiosity for how people feel about my prediction that character progression and asets in the port will be wiped. Just assume that you're in my world of Boundless Optimism, and a port happens, may that be on PS4 or PC or whatever. What would you want to transfer over from this game to the next? ISK AUR SP LP Faction Standing DK BPOs SKINs Gear/Suits/Assets ect. What do you think would be appropriate for CCP to allow to be transferred? Good stuff Pokey. Posted all philosophical-like on your Biomassed blog article. In terms of nuts and bolts, what i'd like to see in terms of carry-over from Dust to Dust2 is: No ISK - given the original PC income still floating around, and how easily vets can make ISK. Yes AUR - Consumables not refunded, BPOs transitioned to BPOs in a truly EVE-like sense, where materiel's/ISK would still be required for item manufacture. SP - We steal a page from 'Age of Elyria': Vets get skill-wiped but....in Dust2, they relearn at double speed until they hit their original sp level pre-migration. Faction - This really depends on game design. Neutral on this. DK - same as faction, depends on game design. Neutral. BPOs - Go full New Eden on this, we'd get BPOs but production of items would still cost resources/ISK. SKINS - keep 'em. This seems to be the way CCP wants to go, no harm in transferring cosmetics. Gear/Suits/Assets - reduce to nanites/resources, which is how the new game will be designed ;) PSN: RationalSpark
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.12.20 15:57:00 - [30] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: If this game moves to another console or PC CCP should just wipe out everyone sp and isk. Keeping our items would be just fine most of them wouldn't be usable to us early on anyway. Plus items that can be used early on can be remarketed and made available to new players. So no one would have any real advantage over anyone else. Everyone would more or less be on the same page as everyone else. The climb now that was the best. That was how great corporations were built. So yeah lets take it back to the beginning. Well you should keep in mind that migrating to a new platform would also come with a LOT of new stuff to skill into I would imagine. Vehicles, suits, weapons, you name it. Hell, maybe we might even go back to the modular weapons concepts of 2006? Like this or this. I think with all our assets intact we'll still have quite a lot of new stuff to work towards and more climbing to do. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector



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