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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2015.12.20 10:54:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:This is really linked to the article I wrote last night, but I wanted to start a thread out of curiosity for how people feel about a certain aspect of said article. Just assume that you're in my world of Boundless Optimism, and a port happens, may that be on PS4 or PC or whatever. What would you want to transfer over from this game to the next? ISK AUR SP LP Faction Standing DK BPOs SKINs Gear/Suits/Assets ect. What do you think would be appropriate for CCP to allow to be transferred?
I think the better question is what should CCP transfer for us to allow them to ask us for more money. They have delivered no where near the expected standard for a gaming company of any size. Pretty trailers and cool animations is just not going to cut it any more thanks to them showing absolutely zero commitment or appreciation for us as customers.
Simply put on transfers it has to be ALL OR NOTHING for me to even waste the space on any of my devices.
Why do I have such a hard stance on that to the point I am ready to ignore a port if everything is not transferred?
Because we never got to see any actualization of a good game on this the first go round while we were continually asked to spend more and more money. If they want us to start over on spending or progress to get something out of their products then it is simply not worth it.
We have suffered through continuous nerfs and buffs. We have dealt with unending lags and been the best bug testers a company could ask for considering we payed well for the privilege.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.20 15:03:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:ISK, Assets, LP, and DK- No
BPO/Skins(anything that came from Aurum)- Transferred as Aurum
SP- Include "temporary" Active Booster that expires until you reach half of SP earned in prior game(only one per account)
Social Stuffies- Yes
People paid real money for ISK, LP, and many other assets.
Jara for NPC monies.
Various BPOs and skins that were made tradeable.
LP Boosters.
The list goes on.
My point is why the heck would I spend money in some new game when they have decided that only a portion of my previously spent money has enough value to be transferred.
I would be willing to check it out if nothing transferred meaning CCP is claiming it as an all new game but the money spent would be a big fat zero.
Other than that the only way I even login is if every single thing transfers. Saying part of my money should not make it over because someone does not like how I used it is just plain dumb.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Luther Mandrix wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:I think it would possibly be bad for the game to transfer ISK + SP and the like as much as I would like them to.
That being said we need something substantial that represents our time here in DUST. Ranks, loyalty ranks anything else that we can think of that wont directly interfere with the NPE but at the same time satisfies us as PS3 DUST players on the (presumed) next gen DUST.
It also depends a lot on what a possible next Gen DUST 514 actually has. If it had some sort of rankings and commander mode like in Battlefield games then I would like our SP levels or something to give us a rank boost in the next game. But its all so hypothetical its hard to think of what these things might actually be. CCP wants a EVE Like sandbox so isk MUST TRANSFER its a big universe that can be divided up to high sec low sec and nulsec so new players can be protected in high sec from the better assets of the isk rich players ISK cannot transfer in its current state. As Dusters were have an over inflated sense of our worth. E.G- My fully kitted HAV costs 1.143M ISK to deploy. Most standard Destroyer Hulls cost between 1.1 and 1.7M ISK (if off to the top of my head I'm right). A 10m to 12m long HAV should not cost and should not cost anywhere near as much as a 50m+ platform of mass destructed capable of interstellar travel. Nor should a single Dust 514 dropsuit cost most than a Small Turret. If Legion does see a transfer I'd also like to see ISK values in the game scaled down so each individual ISK is worth more to us. There seems to be no intent to ever link the economies so it shouldn't matter if the pay outs and costs of assets are scales down. If they ever did I could image Dusters would get much more in the way of work/contracts charging 100,000 ISK per merc per conflict than they would trying to charge EVE players 10,000,000 ISK per merc per conflict. I mean how many people who play this game actually know that 1ISK will buy food of a standard New Eden Family for one month..... and we're trying to tell people out drop-suits cost more than naval guns with a power to decimate smalls towns with individual shots when the size, materials, etc of this weapon exceed that of the suit in question.....
It is simple. People have spent real money on ISK so if any asset transfers then ISK must also transfer.
When it comes to transfers the simple fact is we were never delivered a full product so if we are asked to start all over and have none of our past spending count just because CCP could not get it right on the PS3 then who is to say the same thing will not happen all over again.
If no assets transfer I will happily play the new version but I can guarantee not a single dime will be spent.
I do not see why people are so against asset transfers in the first place. If they can not even get matchmaking right in the new version and are still having to cram old and new players together in matches then what good is a new version?
We may as well just do a full reset on every patch to make sure we keep everyone on equal footing no matter what they do. Hell while we are at it why not make it so that every person gets paid the same thing in every match. Why should effort count for anything?
#NewEdenSocialism
S**T SANDWICHES ONLY 1000 ISK. DON'T MISS OUT.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.21 16:03:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:I don't get why a direct SP transfer would be a bad thing. What does it matter if vets have a SP advantage at launch or 2 years down the road? If the ported game can expect to draw in new players 2 years down the road when we all have button of SP, it can expect to draw them in when we have buttons of SP at launch. This is an important point, one of the crucial make-or-break issue for Dust2. Really the question of whether sp or ISK should transfer is moot, the real question is: 'will CCP be willing and able to design a game that preserves a quality player experience in the face of sp and ISK imbalances?'. If they can achieve such a lofty goal then transferring vet's progress will do no harm, if they can't then Alena has predicted the future of Dust2. It's a problem common to all persistent mmorpgs, and if CCP is going to solve it they're going to have to step up their game-design game. EVE doesn't have this problem, which is wh I'm perplexed as to why they haven't figured this **** out yet.....
Eve is an open universe which allows players to select who they want to be around.
Eve has a multitude of activities outside of PVP which allows players to make money and play the game without being bullied by vets.
S**T SANDWICHES ONLY 1000 ISK. DON'T MISS OUT.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.12.21 20:28:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I believe that most people would agree that due to the nature of ISK being able to be easily reearned in a short amount of time that ISK can be safely removed without pissing many people off (obviously, everyone would need a starting amount of ISK, or some starting gear, like in EVE). The split is with bought assets, and SP. One side thinks that everyone should be equal because they feel that it's going to be a new game, while others feel that it's a unnecessary thing to do, and that won't solve anything in the future.
As I've already state, I see it as unnecessary. Dust is dust, updated, moved to a new platform, whatever, it's still dust. Simply saying "well because it moved means everything needs to be undone" is silly. However, I do understand the idea of growing a world, and a world with gods already within it would be odd. So, I wouldn't be opposed to say the booster idea. However, bought items of every kind needs to be transfered over, unless they decide to shut down the game for a extended period of time (1-3 years+). Even then, BPO's regardless would need to go over.
I hate to break it to you but thanks to trading (gifting) ISK is now a bought asset that people have spent real cash on. Before that I would have agreed that ISK can go away.
How many boosters have people bought just to sell?
How many skins have people bought just to sell?
How many people bought Jara to get more for their NPC sales?
How many people have bought warbarge components to upgrade their market network? (okay I admit not many on that)
The list goes on but you see my point. Wiping out some peoples ISK is just the same as wiping out their skins or their BPOs.
S**T SANDWICHES ONLY 1000 ISK. DON'T MISS OUT.
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