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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:02:00 -
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Matchmaking
SOMETHING has to be done ASAP (downtime tomorrow pretty, pretty please)
And imo it has to start with the gear we can use in Public matches..
I do not care how much you grinded, spent or boosted  to get it, The best fittings have NO place in Pubs. They are the only casual gamemode.. yet since the dawn of dust they have been overrun with Proto gear.
INB4 bla..bla..blablabla.. it's New Eden brah.. who said anything about fair?? Git Gud scraaaaabbbzz..
@ CCP, you are allowing your game to be destroyed by it's playerbase.. SORT IT OUT.
For reference.. look at the weekly stats for LHughes and viper xsniper
If that is not enough reason to do something to even the battles.. I don't know what is
Personally, I use Proto too much in these modes.. but I am countered by reckless stupidity no matter the cost
Where "top" players.. are anything but reckless.. and from seeing how they play.. it's literally farming...
Faced with a threat "run for your life" and this RUINS gameplay... how??
Because the game is built around CLONES.. they respawn, the fun is by making them do so
We had a match earlier.. DMG v DMG squads, both teams with Corp players filling the rest, an even fight
Yet the actions of vets, they would rather flank n' spank and do nothing to help their team push the objective
Maybe it's seeing l33t players with their 1.46 KD like me.. and the fear just takes over 
By limiting the tiers of gear used. And the expenses of fighting in Public Contracts
- Newbs.. can actually stand a chance.
- Vets.. might actually grow a pair in even battles.
Yes the game lags, blablabla.. this is not the only problem I am aware of that.. BUT!!
This ruins a majority of the battles played daily.. the players are scrubs they love stomping.. SORT IT OUT CCP!!!
SOONtm
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DEATH THE KlD
Imperfect - Bastards
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:14:00 -
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Remove kdr and death stats..only show the kills..then kd padding will be pointless as no one will ever know your kd not even you..and it gives players who had a rough start get into decent corps instead of saying must have a 3+kd
My kd isn't bad for running solo but I'd honestly rather have it removed if it would result in better matches
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Twelve Guage
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:20:00 -
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In b4 some tryhard goes but where else should we play for isk and kills.
The Mistress of Massdrivers
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Blauhelme
E.B.O.L.A.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:22:00 -
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OMG math-making is broken?
B-b-but they had subjective data to think otherwise... I don't understand!
Never thank me for ISK, never call me a legend, and always send your 'gg' to CCP.
Audacity of wanting improvement
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:23:00 -
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Only thing that has to be done about matchmaking is put gets with vets and noobs with noobs.
You can't do anything about gear. They are public matches. PUBLIC. Use what you want.
But I am tired of erring placed on noob teams and get stomped, always having to carry team, or be placed on matches, kill, and enemy leaves.
CEO of T-W-L
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:25:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:In b4 some tryhard goes but where else should we play for isk and kills.
FW and PC of course.. Adding progression.. want to use your shiny suit.. find a real fight!!
Which imo is another boost to gameplay quality.. as the only modes you can use your best gear would be..
- The same place it can be salvaged by other players
WIN/WIN
SOONtm
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:27:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Only thing that has to be done about matchmaking is put gets with vets and noobs with noobs.
You can't do anything about gear. They are public matches. PUBLIC. Use what you want.
But I am tired of erring placed on noob teams and get stomped, always having to carry team, or be placed on matches, kill, and enemy leaves.
There are not enough players for that.
Balancing the gear use would help get the most out of current matchmaking.
If you are here to try justify Proto stomps.. gtfo and make your own post..
Archduke won't let me be mean to you, so from here out I will just ignore you
SOONtm
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phucinfiniteisk
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:32:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Only thing that has to be done about matchmaking is put gets with vets and noobs with noobs.
You can't do anything about gear. They are public matches. PUBLIC. Use what you want.
But I am tired of erring placed on noob teams and get stomped, always having to carry team, or be placed on matches, kill, and enemy leaves.
Leaving matches working as intended. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:32:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Only thing that has to be done about matchmaking is put gets with vets and noobs with noobs.
You can't do anything about gear. They are public matches. PUBLIC. Use what you want.
But I am tired of erring placed on noob teams and get stomped, always having to carry team, or be placed on matches, kill, and enemy leaves.
Sorry Archie.. can't help myself..
You are being a moron, at least find a decent reason to justify being a scrub.
PUBLIC matches.. meant for everyone.. not just shameless d1ck waving.. there should be rules against that in public
If this change was implemented.. all those starter fits hiding in FW, could actually play Pubs..
Meaning we could go as far as to lockout NPC/Low SP mercs from FW, increasing fight quality there too
There is more to the game than your own enjoyment, consider that as I am, then we can kiss and make up xx
SOONtm
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:35:00 -
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I second this.
Using top tier gear to combat top tier gear is good, but it's the people without the SP or ISK to use this high level gear that get stomped in the process. It's not fun and just contributes to a stagnating and rather small playerbase.
Also there's the issue of commitment to the match. You might have two very even teams, but find that your teammates aren't willing to commit to the fight. Suddenly you're the only one fighting an impossible battle against the odds because the rest of your team aren't willing to risk anything for the fight.
Matchmaking alone isn't enough to overcome these issues to provide fun games for players down the pecking order.
Reducing the gap between standard and proto is one way of improving things.
Another way, which would probably be more effective, would be meta locking. Either all pubs, or just a subsection. "High Sec Public Contracts" would only allow loadouts of a limited meta level (equivalent to all standard gear and modules). Obviously dropsuits with less slots would need higher meta levels to compensate.
WoW (vanilla) didn't have a level 1 PVP zone, then by level 2 you were forced to fight against all the level 60s. That would have been crazy. |
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:39:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Only thing that has to be done about matchmaking is put gets with vets and noobs with noobs.
You can't do anything about gear. They are public matches. PUBLIC. Use what you want.
But I am tired of erring placed on noob teams and get stomped, always having to carry team, or be placed on matches, kill, and enemy leaves. Sorry Archie.. can't help myself.. You are being a moron, at least find a decent reason to justify being a scrub. PUBLIC matches.. meant for everyone.. not just shameless d1ck waving.. there should be rules against that in public If this change was implemented.. all those starter fits hiding in FW, could actually play Pubs.. Meaning we could go as far as to lockout NPC/Low SP mercs from FW, increasing fight quality there too There is more to the game than your own enjoyment, consider that as I am, then we can kiss and make up xx
I updated post.
Also, it is a game, for my enjoyment. So now I can't have fun in it??? It's not my fault. You think I don't suffer from stomping either? I have gone broke so many times and have to resort to starter fits. (Proto addiction doesn't let me rub adv or basic) you might ask, well why not running lower tiered? But most pro player mentalities (yes, it asked lotta stompers) is, why run lower when you can run pro? I have the skill and isk. So why would to run it???
I may be indirectly supporting stompers, maybe causing tension, but that's not my intention or meaning.
I WANT people to have fun and stuff. I want to run my pro gear just as much as new players want to not be stomped. But it all leads down to bad match making.
Put me and other stompers against other stompers. We NEED SP rank.
I'm sorry if I caused tension, it was not my desire, but people really arent seeing that 1, this is a free GAME, emphasizing game as it is FOR ENTERTAINMENT, 2 players are being punished by CCPs own problem of bad matchmaking.
CEO of T-W-L
YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514
Thukker Grenade God
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:44:00 -
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Yes but at this stage.. matchmaking is doomed.. always has been.
Balancing the gear usage.. would help make the most of what we have ^^
I understand, you are playing for fun, proto is fun good times
In real fights.. vs low level opponents it is bad, always has been, always will be.
Actions have consequences, most players stomped for their fun and killed the game for many others
Apologies for the rant at you, but this needs sorting yesterday... there is NO reason to allow it.
SOONtm
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:46:00 -
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Good players in bad suits.. will still be good players..
Again.. this is NO reason not to make the change. Top tier gear, should be reserved for those battles.
SOONtm
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Lightning35 Delta514
The Warlords Legion
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:52:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Yes but at this stage.. matchmaking is doomed.. always has been. Balancing the gear usage.. would help make the most of what we have ^^ I understand, you are playing for fun, proto is fun good times In real fights.. vs low level opponents it is bad, always has been, always will be. Actions have consequences, most players stomped for their fun and killed the game for many others Apologies for the rant at you, but this needs sorting yesterday... there is NO reason to allow it.
There we go, friendlier tone. Now you understand. Yes pro is fun, it is also kinda killing dust, and I understand that it'll be hard to fix. But I till then, not much will stop stomping.
Apologies accepted. Forgive me for sounding like a scrub.
CEO of T-W-L
YouTube- Lightning35 Delta514
Thukker Grenade God
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:55:00 -
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Wanna solve the problem?
Match-making based on Skill Points, try it.
No.Gäó
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duster 35000
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:55:00 -
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>People unironically think that removing proto will do anything, and some mods are only useful at proto
>no fun allowed
Apply kill to self
We'll bang ok?
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.11.16 16:55:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:
By limiting the tiers of gear used. And the expenses of fighting in Public Contracts
- Newbs.. can actually stand a chance.
- Vets.. might actually grow a pair in even battles.
In favor. Alternatively, increase pub payouts so newbs can afford to field decent gear. Or perhaps a combination of both.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:01:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:
By limiting the tiers of gear used. And the expenses of fighting in Public Contracts
- Newbs.. can actually stand a chance.
- Vets.. might actually grow a pair in even battles.
In favor. Alternatively, increase pub payouts so newbs can afford to field decent gear. Or perhaps a combination of both.
Remember the bug where payouts went insane??
Yes, fights were fun.. but it increased the proscrub behaviour a LOT.. doing that would be in the wrong direction I think
I'd like to see one mode in Public Contracts for Proto spam.. Ambush would be nice
Apart from that.. if players like that duster guy want to cry it's no fun anymore.. good
I'd rather 10 low sp mercs had a gg than one entitled scrub getting his way 
SOONtm
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:01:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Wanna solve the problem?
Match-making based on Skill Points, try it. What? No. Skill points have nothing to do with player skill  Kill death ratio, win loss ratio, and WPs earned per second in match give us a clearer picture of player skill.
No matter what matchmaking formula you use, it won't be efficient unless it has enough players to put into matches. With DUST's player population shrinking we are only going to see matchmaking get worse. Get this game off of the PS3 and onto a platform that is growing, not in it's twilight like the PS3.
Become the phoenix, rise again
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:02:00 -
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With 3 years playtime, and 105m sp, when Scotty puts me in a match he expects me to go bat shite crazy. If I squad up it gets worse.
Some days I just want to crank out my missions and shoot the breeze with my buds.. I don't want to go full ****** every match all the time.
Having said that, I'm very strict on myself with std in pubs to give newbros a shot at me. I've got 50-60m in HAV and never run them outside of fw.
To the fw naysayers: if you build suits out of as much lp gear as possible, you will start to profit. (Not going into detail)
Also, if you can resist modding apex......
Also, if you can afford to stomp pubs.....
Just like every other dust argument for good, those against are insanely transparent.
Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå
Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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duster 35000
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:05:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:
By limiting the tiers of gear used. And the expenses of fighting in Public Contracts
- Newbs.. can actually stand a chance.
- Vets.. might actually grow a pair in even battles.
In favor. Alternatively, increase pub payouts so newbs can afford to field decent gear. Or perhaps a combination of both. Remember the bug where payouts went insane?? Yes, fights were fun.. but it increased the proscrub behaviour a LOT.. doing that would be in the wrong direction I think I'd like to see one mode in Public Contracts for Proto spam.. Ambush would be nice Apart from that.. if players like that duster guy want to cry it's no fun anymore.. good I'd rather 10 low sp mercs had a gg than one entitled scrub getting his way
>Apart from that.. if players like that duster guy want to cry it's no fun anymore.. good
nice bait
the problem is MM & they will still get stomped if i ran adv
We'll bang ok?
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Thumb Green
Elephant Riders
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:07:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Only limiting gear to let's say basic for example will do little. Pro player with max skills still have advantage no matter what.
That is true but doing a little is better than doing nothing. True again that max skills will give an advantage no matter what but max skills on basic doesn't provide as much advantage as max skills on proto and officer. Max skills on a proto suit gives more CPU/PG wiggle room than on basic . Max skills on the AG-1 gives you 221 CPU and 40 PG on the AGK.0 it's 498 CPU and 91 PG and on the RAGK.o it's 610 CPU and 118PG, more than double and almost triple the fitting room just from the suits themselves. Then you throw on the weapon fitting cost reduction skills (don't forget the assaults as well as logi's equipment) and you can slap near about anything you want on it without worrying about sacrificing much. Whereas with basic and adv sacrifices have to made on some things so you can have better of something else.
Restricting gear won't completely level the playing field but it greatly cuts down on the advantage maxed out players have over not so maxed out players and offers them a greater chance to compete. However little it may be it is still a lot better than nothing at all.
Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks.
Dust really needs its high sec.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:09:00 -
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@ Duster
uh-huh.. it was another problem before that, you will find a new one after this..
At least by your comment.. you are saying that ADV would be unfair.. I agree.
Thanks for indirectly supporting my goal here
APEX being the best gear available in pubs, might be the best way to go, thanks for the input.
SOONtm
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god clone
FACK YOU .i..
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:11:00 -
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Let's just ban all these friken care bears and keep dust as it is. A brutal place where only the strongest survive.
Something about something
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Moochie Cricket
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:12:00 -
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You should have to choose what gear to bring into a match and how much of it before you even deploy. If you lose the match you get NONE of the gear back and the winning team splits what you didn't deploy into as salvage. Want to protostomp? Go right ahead and bring 10 protosuits into the battle. Better win though, because even if you don't die a single time but still lose the battle you would still lose the 10 suits you brought. Die 10 times after only bringing 10 suits? That sucks, should have brought more suits because now you can only watch the rest of the battle.
Caldari
REALLY 514
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duster 35000
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:13:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:@ Duster uh-huh.. it was another problem before that, you will find a new one after this.. At least by your comment.. you are saying that ADV would be unfair.. I agree. Thanks for indirectly supporting my goal here APEX being the best gear available in pubs, might be the best way to go, thanks for the input.
if everyone was retricted like thag i'd STILL stomp
We'll bang ok?
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:15:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:@ Duster uh-huh.. it was another problem before that, you will find a new one after this.. At least by your comment.. you are saying that ADV would be unfair.. I agree. Thanks for indirectly supporting my goal here APEX being the best gear available in pubs, might be the best way to go, thanks for the input. if everyone was retricted like thag i'd STILL stomp
Ok, your greatest has left me in awe..
At least with all those mad skillz, we won't see any QQ if this change goes through.
SOONtm
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:18:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:... doing that [increasing pub pay] would be in the wrong direction I think ...
Possible. That said, "unlock some awesome stuff that you can't afford to use" isn't exactly enticing gameplay. I'd rather see everyone get rich from in-game activity than see what we have now: the rich getting richer, and the poor unable to afford to muster competent defense.
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:21:00 -
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Premade squads is the only real problem. Beyond sp for skills, you have to contend with organized squads communicating vs. casual solo players joining for fun.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
3
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Posted - 2015.11.16 17:22:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:TheD1CK wrote:... doing that [increasing pub pay] would be in the wrong direction I think ... Possible. That said, "unlock some awesome stuff that you can't afford to use" isn't exactly enticing gameplay. I'd rather see everyone get rich from in-game activity than see more of what we have now: the rich getting richer, and the poor being unable to afford to muster competent opposition. I personally suspect the optimal solution would involve a blending of meta locks and pay tweaks.
Agreed, removing proto reduces ISK destroyed so payouts would suffer.
I am not against increasing them.. to an extent..
But there has to be progression and a reason to move out of Pubs..
High paychecks in these battles and too many would sit as comfortably as they do now.
SOONtm
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