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Devadander wrote:

TheD1CK wrote:

Devadander wrote:

I'll make this suggestion yet again....

Keep pubs as is.

Copy skirm and amb.

New tab "Militia contracts"

Tier locked to MLT only, gear mods, everything.

Give it lore by concord offering our services to local MLT, tier locked to reduce collateral damage to high sec infrastructure.

As such, isk payouts will be much lower. Yet battle is battle, so sp stays same. Mission objectives can also be accomplished in this mode.

Noobs can advance their skills and earn dailys, risking more for pubs can pay more, but the redeyed demons play there.

Vets can grind missions.

Fixed *sigh*

See you are splitting a small playerbase with this change..

Forcing the "vets" to suck it up and use cheap fits does not do that.

Edit: not that I disagree.. but at this stage.. it seems impractical

I missed the part about force? Where exactly?

Edit: And I'm a vet sooo... If I knew quite a few of us, and we all thought this through and liked it....

I chat ingame, and am the only one from my circle that forums. There's a fairly big group that doesn't care about forums, and I've always mentioned I speak for them as well.


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TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 16:02:00 - [1] - Quote Matchmaking SOMETHING has to be done ASAP (downtime tomorrow pretty, pretty please) And imo it has to start with the gear we can use in Public matches.. I do not care how much you grinded, spent or boosted to get it, The best fittings have NO place in Pubs. They are the only casual gamemode.. yet since the dawn of dust they have been overrun with Proto gear. INB4 bla..bla..blablabla.. it's New Eden brah.. who said anything about fair?? Git Gud scraaaaabbbzz.. @ CCP, you are allowing your game to be destroyed by it's playerbase.. SORT IT OUT. For reference.. look at the weekly stats for LHughes and viper xsniper If that is not enough reason to do something to even the battles.. I don't know what is Personally, I use Proto too much in these modes.. but I am countered by reckless stupidity no matter the cost Where "top" players.. are anything but reckless.. and from seeing how they play.. it's literally farming... Faced with a threat "run for your life" and this RUINS gameplay... how?? Because the game is built around CLONES.. they respawn, the fun is by making them do so We had a match earlier.. DMG v DMG squads, both teams with Corp players filling the rest, an even fight Yet the actions of vets, they would rather flank n' spank and do nothing to help their team push the objective Maybe it's seeing l33t players with their 1.46 KD like me.. and the fear just takes over By limiting the tiers of gear used. And the expenses of fighting in Public Contracts - Newbs.. can actually stand a chance. - Vets.. might actually grow a pair in even battles. Yes the game lags, blablabla.. this is not the only problem I am aware of that.. BUT!! This ruins a majority of the battles played daily.. the players are scrubs they love stomping.. SORT IT OUT CCP!!! SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 16:25:00 - [2] - Quote Twelve Guage wrote: In b4 some tryhard goes but where else should we play for isk and kills. FW and PC of course.. Adding progression.. want to use your shiny suit.. find a real fight!! Which imo is another boost to gameplay quality.. as the only modes you can use your best gear would be.. - The same place it can be salvaged by other players WIN/WIN SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 16:27:00 - [3] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Only thing that has to be done about matchmaking is put gets with vets and noobs with noobs. You can't do anything about gear. They are public matches. PUBLIC. Use what you want. But I am tired of erring placed on noob teams and get stomped, always having to carry team, or be placed on matches, kill, and enemy leaves. There are not enough players for that. Balancing the gear use would help get the most out of current matchmaking. If you are here to try justify Proto stomps.. gtfo and make your own post.. Archduke won't let me be mean to you, so from here out I will just ignore you SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 16:32:00 - [4] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: Only thing that has to be done about matchmaking is put gets with vets and noobs with noobs. You can't do anything about gear. They are public matches. PUBLIC. Use what you want. But I am tired of erring placed on noob teams and get stomped, always having to carry team, or be placed on matches, kill, and enemy leaves. Sorry Archie.. can't help myself.. You are being a moron, at least find a decent reason to justify being a scrub. PUBLIC matches.. meant for everyone.. not just shameless d1ck waving.. there should be rules against that in public If this change was implemented.. all those starter fits hiding in FW, could actually play Pubs.. Meaning we could go as far as to lockout NPC/Low SP mercs from FW, increasing fight quality there too There is more to the game than your own enjoyment, consider that as I am, then we can kiss and make up xx SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 16:44:00 - [5] - Quote Yes but at this stage.. matchmaking is doomed.. always has been. Balancing the gear usage.. would help make the most of what we have ^^ I understand, you are playing for fun, proto is fun good times In real fights.. vs low level opponents it is bad, always has been, always will be. Actions have consequences, most players stomped for their fun and killed the game for many others Apologies for the rant at you, but this needs sorting yesterday... there is NO reason to allow it. SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 16:46:00 - [6] - Quote Good players in bad suits.. will still be good players.. Again.. this is NO reason not to make the change. Top tier gear, should be reserved for those battles. SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 17:01:00 - [7] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: TheD1CK wrote: By limiting the tiers of gear used. And the expenses of fighting in Public Contracts - Newbs.. can actually stand a chance. - Vets.. might actually grow a pair in even battles. In favor. Alternatively, increase pub payouts so newbs can afford to field decent gear. Or perhaps a combination of both. Remember the bug where payouts went insane?? Yes, fights were fun.. but it increased the proscrub behaviour a LOT.. doing that would be in the wrong direction I think I'd like to see one mode in Public Contracts for Proto spam.. Ambush would be nice Apart from that.. if players like that duster guy want to cry it's no fun anymore.. good I'd rather 10 low sp mercs had a gg than one entitled scrub getting his way SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 17:09:00 - [8] - Quote @ Duster uh-huh.. it was another problem before that, you will find a new one after this.. At least by your comment.. you are saying that ADV would be unfair.. I agree. Thanks for indirectly supporting my goal here APEX being the best gear available in pubs, might be the best way to go, thanks for the input. SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 17:15:00 - [9] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: TheD1CK wrote: @ Duster uh-huh.. it was another problem before that, you will find a new one after this.. At least by your comment.. you are saying that ADV would be unfair.. I agree. Thanks for indirectly supporting my goal here APEX being the best gear available in pubs, might be the best way to go, thanks for the input. if everyone was retricted like thag i'd STILL stomp Ok, your greatest has left me in awe.. At least with all those mad skillz, we won't see any QQ if this change goes through. SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 17:22:00 - [10] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: TheD1CK wrote: ... doing that [increasing pub pay] would be in the wrong direction I think ... Possible. That said, "unlock some awesome stuff that you can't afford to use" isn't exactly enticing gameplay. I'd rather see everyone get rich from in-game activity than see more of what we have now: the rich getting richer, and the poor being unable to afford to muster competent opposition. I personally suspect the optimal solution would involve a blending of meta locks and pay tweaks. Agreed, removing proto reduces ISK destroyed so payouts would suffer. I am not against increasing them.. to an extent.. But there has to be progression and a reason to move out of Pubs.. High paychecks in these battles and too many would sit as comfortably as they do now. SOONtm

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 17:29:00 - [11] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: You should have to choose what gear to bring into a match and how much of it before you even deploy. If you lose the match you get NONE of the gear back and the winning team splits what you didn't deploy into as salvage. Want to protostomp? Go right ahead and bring 10 protosuits into the battle. Better win though, because even if you don't die a single time but still lose the battle you would still lose the 10 suits you brought. Die 10 times after only bringing 10 suits? That sucks, should have brought more suits because now you can only watch the rest of the battle. Now this is interesting +1 SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 17:45:00 - [12] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: You should have to choose what gear to bring into a match and how much of it before you even deploy. If you lose the match you get NONE of the gear back and the winning team splits what you didn't deploy into as salvage. Want to protostomp? Go right ahead and bring 10 protosuits into the battle. Better win though, because even if you don't die a single time but still lose the battle you would still lose the 10 suits you brought. Die 10 times after only bringing 10 suits? That sucks, should have brought more suits because now you can only watch the rest of the battle. Now this is interesting +1 It could even get even more interesting when you think about the effect it would have on people leaving battles. Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom!!! That is a pretty damn good idea SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 17:54:00 - [13] - Quote Devadander wrote: I'll make this suggestion yet again.... Keep pubs as is. Copy skirm and amb. New tab "Militia contracts" Tier locked to MLT only, gear mods, everything. Give it lore by concord offering our services to local MLT, tier locked to reduce collateral damage to high sec infrastructure. As such, isk payouts will be much lower. Yet battle is battle, so sp stays same. Mission objectives can also be accomplished in this mode. Noobs can advance their skills and earn dailys, risking more for pubs can pay more, but the redeyed demons play there. Vets can grind missions. Fixed sigh See you are splitting a small playerbase with this change.. Forcing the "vets" to suck it up and use cheap fits does not do that. Edit: not that I disagree.. but at this stage.. it seems impractical SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 18:04:00 - [14] - Quote Devadander wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Devadander wrote: I'll make this suggestion yet again.... Keep pubs as is. Copy skirm and amb. New tab "Militia contracts" Tier locked to MLT only, gear mods, everything. Give it lore by concord offering our services to local MLT, tier locked to reduce collateral damage to high sec infrastructure. As such, isk payouts will be much lower. Yet battle is battle, so sp stays same. Mission objectives can also be accomplished in this mode. Noobs can advance their skills and earn dailys, risking more for pubs can pay more, but the redeyed demons play there. Vets can grind missions. Fixed sigh See you are splitting a small playerbase with this change.. Forcing the "vets" to suck it up and use cheap fits does not do that. Edit: not that I disagree.. but at this stage.. it seems impractical I missed the part about force? Where exactly? Edit: And I'm a vet sooo... If I knew quite a few of us, and we all thought this through and liked it.... I chat ingame, and am the only one from my circle that forums. There's a fairly big group that doesn't care about forums, and I've always mentioned I speak for them as well. The OP here.. I am not asking for new modes, simply BAN higher tiers from Public Contracts. - forcing players to use cheaper fits and provide better battles SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 18:18:00 - [15] - Quote Devadander wrote: So vets playing vets, and noobs playing noobs is unacceptable? Hmmmm... Not what I meant if it came off that way.. But I do not think we have the numbers to split into 2 sections like that.. The whole point of this proposal is to balance gear usage so it is fair for them to play together (as we do now anyway) SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 18:46:00 - [16] - Quote phucinfiniteisk wrote: Man this circlejerk stuff has to be full of ******** kids. Tell me... What do you do to support the game while you critic others ?? Feel free to post your main and let us all know. Until then, calm down.. this thread isn't here for you to have a back and forth with your issues. Keep on topic please, and thanks for the feedback posted so far.. we get it SOONtm
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 19:54:00 - [17] - Quote IR Scifi wrote: I wish I had a good solution. MU balancing seems to work (when enough people play) but I honestly don't think we have enough players to truly balance it. I get wrecked hard when I squad with my normal gang (who are actually good...unlike me) but I stomp pretty good I'm running solo with basic / advanced gear due to my pathetic ranking. So maybe it's not that segmenting doesn't work, it's that we don't have enough people to segment correctly? That's what I think anyway So the answer may be outside of Matchmaking/Moo But found by limiting the tiers available in casual gamemodes. Pub chat "DeadMansGame" Squads, rage, trolls, Qsyncs, CARNAGE.. and stuff.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.16 20:07:00 - [18] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: I tried to write a serious post but I couldn't bring myself to do it. However there are some good suggestions that I would get on board with. Good topic may bookmark for further viewing "I want to help out, but if CCP dgaf.. how can I??" No offence CCP.. but it's not like this is a persistent issue for over 2 years. Pub chat "DeadMansGame" Squads, rage, trolls, Qsyncs, CARNAGE.. and stuff.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 3	Posted - 2015.11.17 12:14:00 - [19] - Quote That's odd... server downtime.. but no changes to balance gear levels.. CCP must not be aware of the issue yet We should make sure to bring it to their attention Pub chat "DeadMansGame" Squads, rage, trolls, Qsyncs, CARNAGE.. and stuff.