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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.11.15 22:32:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?'
I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.15 22:56:00 -
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Honestly i do not see nuclear war like gross overreact, we already using warheads with uranium as aditive.
And i will be for few crushing strikes, than one neverending war.
Im really honest here.
They already used yperit, why we should wait for time when they will use something stronger near our borders.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:03:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Honestly i do not see nuclear war like gross overreact, we already using warheads with uranium as aditive.
And i will be for few crushing strikes, than one neverending war.
Im really honest here.
They already used yperit, why we should wait for time when they will use something stronger near our borders.
I..... don't think you want people in positions of power getting used to or thinking that is acceptable to use such weapons as a common military asset.
Moreover I don't believe that depleted Uranium rounds a requires any longer in terms of modern theoretic tank combat as the KEP or APFSDS rounds can tear penetrate the thickest of armours , flash vaporise, and then suck the crew out of a hole in their tank with a diameter the size of the 50 cent piece.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:07:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them...
it doesnt matter if all of them are terrible people because i cant distinguish the good ones from the bad ones ie they are all bad is a safer approach ide rather be a bigot and have them all tossed out and treated the same than try to be a kink person and have terrorists slip through my fingers
look at what not being a bigot got france? they accepted that there are good msulims let them into thier country and not the bad muslims are burning thier country down ...if they were more biggoted that wouldn't have happened because they wouldn't have let the muslims in...because it would be to high a risk
our humanity fucks us when it comes to the muslims you try to be good the the ones that deserve it it leaves and opening for terrorism...you try to preserve civilian life your seen as weak..brutality is what they know brutality is what they should be shown
If you choose to give up your humanity because you can't be bothered to sort out people from criminals, then why should your enemy not do the same?
You demand the sanctity of civilians on one side only, and it is disgusting. You want blood because you lost a friend, and cannot understand the other side wanting the same.
So your retribution is justified, but theirs is terrorism. If people were not going to die becuase of people like you thinking that garbage it would be funny.
What is most depressing is you and that attitude are every bit as absolutist as a DAESH member. You share the same worldview. The enemy is not like us, they are monsters.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:23:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them... Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance? no im just that ******* practical sometimes i guess i can be cruel but my bf is military he has served in Afghanistan and iraq and ive heard enough horror stories it is impossible to sort through them...and trying to do so is going to and has cost us ... i have some pretty bad ptsd i go to a support group of veterans and listen to their stories i have always felt honored that they allow me to come i am not a veteran i simply have ptsd but after listening to story after story i have started seeing it in this black and white fashion we cant sort them there is just no way to do it and trying to do is has cost a lot of lives
Maybe not trying to dominate them?
Maybe letting them manage their own resources and choose their own governments.
The West has never tried a method that didn't involve violence or corruption.
You act like we were sitting on this side of the Atlantic minding our own business and Arabs just decided it was time to kick some ass. It's just ridiculous.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:33:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?' I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it.
Nuclear is not even needed, it would be overkill but would send a strong message and make lots of glass.
All you need is cruise missiles and just level every single city they have, once the country becomes a parking lot then it is over since you do not just hammer them mentally you also take away any economic potential they had so live is **** for everyone.
Think of what the allies did to dresdan but times it by a 1000 and then some just for the few actions of a small group, non stop bombing until there is nothing left.
I dont balme the french for deciding to bomb the **** out of them, they did bring it on themselves and so be it, reactions and consequences just like the french dude in the matrix said but while this immigration thing is still ongoing most of the EU is at risk to more of these attacks, maybe get austrailia in to sink the boats.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:43:00 -
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I read many things here and some of them need clarifications :
ISIS are NOT muslims. They are fanatics, extremists who uses some words of the Coran to extrapolate wrong ideas. This could be done with any book and any religion (the Bible or the Torah for example).
Their main goal is to tarnish muslims reputation all over the world by attacking them directly. This way, it divides countries and muslims feel rejected.. and join them !!
If you start to mix real muslims with ISIS, you play their game. They only want chaos. They know they don't have the man power and financial power to face occidental countries, so they try to divide them, to scare their people by attacking them directly (and not their army).
Everybody needs to think bigger, to stay united. We must keep living normaly as we always did, and we must NOT fall into fear, and reject muslims.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:45:00 -
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Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them... Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance? no im just that ******* practical sometimes i guess i can be cruel but my bf is military he has served in Afghanistan and iraq and ive heard enough horror stories it is impossible to sort through them...and trying to do so is going to and has cost us ... hmmm... ok. I'm only asking because I'm trying to understand where you would be in a situation where you would have Muslim men ask for your marriage (most likely jokingly) AND also see so many radicals that you would be unable (or unwilling) to know the difference between radicals and everyone else. anecdotal evidence is really only that. anecdotal. I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience. Hopefully one day you'll be able to move past that. To show you how a person's viewpoint can be completely relative, my own experiences with Muslim men have been really good so far. I have only known 1 jerk, and only one situation where I would say I was uncomfortable with the topic of conversation (he was telling me how nice it was to have wide hips because it's good for child-birth). But that is by far the exception. One of the nicest men I have ever met (a good father and family man) was Muslim and I loved talking to him and felt safe knowing he was a Security Guard where I worked. On another note, I have felt more hatred and racism from White men, but it would be really ignorant of me to assume that all White men are like this (or that all White men are like Americans, or Germans, or French etc). I feel really heartbroken for France. But the evil people behind this attack are not "Muslims", it is Isis and they are an incredibly dangerous, incredibly delusional splinter group using Islam and rage to fool people into fighting for them. Isis claim to be Muslim but they don't care. They kill Muslims, Christians, Jews, and everyone else, all for their own agenda. Also, I hope your ptsd eventually gets treated or at least becomes manageable. That's something that's really hard to live with, and even harder to explain to other people. I'm sorry.
yeah ptsd is a great relationship ender and i have no trouble believing youve exp more hatred from white men my back has whip marks from white christian men...i have a hard time differentiating between the atrocities because ive never ever met a good muslim my main exp with muslims has been the internet and the are brass rude and assume way more than they should about me .
on the other hand i have had a white catholic male priest console me over what was done to me shown me kindness gave me a sense of balance ...maybe one day i will meet a good muslim and my mindset will change i think that all it will take
but i have such a hard time looking past their culture and seeing the people behind the masks..is why next year my bf is taking me to the middle east to exp the culture im hoping that that aspect of me will change i am undeniably incredibly hateful towards muslims i watch what is done to their women and i see it asa mass reproduction of the darkest years of my life
.im pretty sure i get all this bullshit from muslim men due to looking incredibly persian i dont look white or hispanic even though i am a white hispanic mix. i am heartbroken over france my cousin didnt survive he caught an ak47 round to the chest and i didnt find out till like over 32 hours later..he was 17 never even fired a gun...he was innocent ,,,it enrages me..he was terrified of guns i had to put my guns in the safe when he came to visit...
is like someone went up to my little brother and murdered them in cold blood...i would trade places with him ina heartbeat he didnt deserve to die...it ******* disgusts me that he was killed in the name of religion ...
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:50:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:True Adamance wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?' I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it. Nuclear is not even needed, it would be overkill but would send a strong message and make lots of glass. All you need is cruise missiles and just level every single city they have, once the country becomes a parking lot then it is over since you do not just hammer them mentally you also take away any economic potential they had so live is **** for everyone. Think of what the allies did to dresdan but times it by a 1000 and then some just for the few actions of a small group, non stop bombing until there is nothing left. I dont balme the french for deciding to bomb the **** out of them, they did bring it on themselves and so be it, reactions and consequences just like the french dude in the matrix said but while this immigration thing is still ongoing most of the EU is at risk to more of these attacks, maybe get austrailia in to sink the boats.
nuclear is a bit overkill but wouldnt it be lovely to see all that sand turned to glass...thats not gunna happen but i do think we should level their cities wipe out their infrastructure
whatever needs to be done to end this conflict now should be done
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:52:00 -
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Im Aspie with ptsd combined with borderline personality dissorder.
And i still manage relationship, it is quite hard but i trying and even without meds.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:52:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them... Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance? no im just that ******* practical sometimes i guess i can be cruel but my bf is military he has served in Afghanistan and iraq and ive heard enough horror stories it is impossible to sort through them...and trying to do so is going to and has cost us ... i have some pretty bad ptsd i go to a support group of veterans and listen to their stories i have always felt honored that they allow me to come i am not a veteran i simply have ptsd but after listening to story after story i have started seeing it in this black and white fashion we cant sort them there is just no way to do it and trying to do is has cost a lot of lives Maybe not trying to dominate them? Maybe letting them manage their own resources and choose their own governments. The West has never tried a method that didn't involve violence or corruption. You act like we were sitting on this side of the Atlantic minding our own business and Arabs just decided it was time to kick some ass. It's just ridiculous.
do u really think leaving them alone will solve the problem i dont thatll just give the time to plan worse attacks
time to build up ..when they should be broken down
it doesnt matter what started this all that matters is that it ends now however it can be done
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Honestly i do not see nuclear war like gross overreact, we already using warheads with uranium as aditive.
And i will be for few crushing strikes, than one neverending war.
Im really honest here.
They already used yperit, why we should wait for time when they will use something stronger near our borders. I..... don't think you want people in positions of power getting used to or thinking that is acceptable to use such weapons as a common military asset. Moreover I don't believe that depleted Uranium rounds a requires any longer in terms of modern theoretic tank combat as the KEP or APFSDS rounds can tear penetrate the thickest of armours , flash vaporise, and then suck the crew out of a hole in their tank with a diameter the size of the 50 cent piece.
I dont know what technology they have now.
Im my time it was uranium shell what burn through the panzer.
I just honestly think there should be something what can clearly and one way send message what we think about this scoundrels.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:14:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:I read many things here and some of them need clarifications :
ISIS are NOT muslims. They are fanatics, extremists who uses some words of the Coran to extrapolate wrong ideas. This could be done with any book and any religion (the Bible or the Torah for example).
Their main goal is to tarnish muslims reputation all over the world by attacking them directly. This way, it divides countries and muslims feel rejected.. and join them !!
If you start to mix real muslims with ISIS, you play their game. They only want chaos. They know they don't have the man power and financial power to face occidental countries, so they try to divide them, to scare their people by attacking them directly (and not their army).
Everybody needs to think bigger, to stay united. We must keep living normaly as we always did. We must NOT fall into fear, and we must not reject muslims.
Same book
Doesn't help that the vast majority of silent muslims actually agree with the extremists
Muslims tarnish there own reputation when they come over to a new country say the UK then demand sharia law or start up **** gangs which only attack white girls which has happened far too much and nothing is said yet again because of the fear of being called racist.
If we reject muslims then attacks like this cannot happen because attacks like this are carried out by muslims so if no muslims then no attacks, the west is far too welcoming you wont get saudi arabia opening there arms to christians, they dont even allow churches to be built yet in the west we keep opening mosques like supermarkets.
While you will say its only a small % of the muslim population there is over 1 billion of them, 10% which openly agree with ISIS is 100 million let alone how mnay silently agree with them.
It is only going to get worse if you ignore the problem
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:18:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Honestly i do not see nuclear war like gross overreact, we already using warheads with uranium as aditive.
And i will be for few crushing strikes, than one neverending war.
Im really honest here.
They already used yperit, why we should wait for time when they will use something stronger near our borders.
It sets a bad precedent. Then every country will acquire nuclear weapons on the basis that they are protecting themselves from insurgents.
Also, the ongoing war isn't because the bombs aren't strong enough. Rather it's a fight against ideology based on body count.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:27:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
While you will say its only a small % of the muslim population there is over 1 billion of them, 10% which openly agree with ISIS is 100 million let alone how mnay silently agree with them.
It is only going to get worse if you ignore the problem
It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled.
How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
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Show the world we are one.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
4
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:39:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
While you will say its only a small % of the muslim population there is over 1 billion of them, 10% which openly agree with ISIS is 100 million let alone how mnay silently agree with them.
It is only going to get worse if you ignore the problem
It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled. How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.
No it wont, muslims fail to adapt and expect the target country to adapt to there way of life and they force it on the countries population in ways such as sharia law.
In parts of the UK you would think it was iraq if it wasnt for the rain, hearing the call to prayer blasting out while tehy try to inflict sharia law on the local population.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:09:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled.
How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.
No it wont, muslims fail to adapt and expect the target country to adapt to there way of life and they force it on the countries population in ways such as sharia law. In parts of the UK you would think it was iraq if it wasnt for the rain, hearing the call to prayer blasting out while tehy try to inflict sharia law on the local population.
Muslim havens in Europe are no different from China Towns and Italian/Irish/Jewish slums of America of the past. There were a surprising number of riots against these people in their respective sub communities by the majority population who were not first or second generation people.
You can say it won't get better, but you're wrong. It always has.
This isn't the first time Muslims have "invaded" Europe. Muslims came into Southern Spain and stayed their for centuries along with the Jews until they were forced out by the Catholic Church. Those who stayed became Catholic. Even now many Southern Spanish are of Arab decent.
People will always change, and there children will be a product of their environment. That's the way it is. It won't come as quick as anyone wants, but if you look at history you will see that progress is often slow. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but many things won't. In this age where technology and fashion moves so quickly we often forget that many things will simply refuse to yield to acceleration, and one of those things is ideology.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
384
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:16:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them... Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance? no im just that ******* practical sometimes i guess i can be cruel but my bf is military he has served in Afghanistan and iraq and ive heard enough horror stories it is impossible to sort through them...and trying to do so is going to and has cost us ... i have some pretty bad ptsd i go to a support group of veterans and listen to their stories i have always felt honored that they allow me to come i am not a veteran i simply have ptsd but after listening to story after story i have started seeing it in this black and white fashion we cant sort them there is just no way to do it and trying to do is has cost a lot of lives Maybe not trying to dominate them? Maybe letting them manage their own resources and choose their own governments. The West has never tried a method that didn't involve violence or corruption. You act like we were sitting on this side of the Atlantic minding our own business and Arabs just decided it was time to kick some ass. It's just ridiculous. do u really think leaving them alone will solve the problem i dont thatll just give the time to plan worse attacks time to build up ..when they should be broken down it doesnt matter what started this all that matters is that it ends now however it can be done
We built them up.
DAESH is the result of an unjust war on Iraq. It is the result of the heinous crimes committed against Arabs in our name.
Is it your contention that we have ever been positive for civilians in the middle East?
You cannot end a movement that is fed by oppressive acts by committing more oppressive acts. No amount of violence will quell the desire for self sufficiency and self determination that resides with every single human being.
And of course, do not forgot who radicalized them. It was our ally in Saudi Arabia. DAESH is literally the chickens coming home to roost, and all you want to do is build more coops in the hope it will turn out different.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:19:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled.
How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.
No it wont, muslims fail to adapt and expect the target country to adapt to there way of life and they force it on the countries population in ways such as sharia law. In parts of the UK you would think it was iraq if it wasnt for the rain, hearing the call to prayer blasting out while tehy try to inflict sharia law on the local population. Muslim havens in Europe are no different from China Towns and Italian/Irish/Jewish slums of America of the past. There were a surprising number of riots against these people in their respective sub communities by the majority population who were not first or second generation people. You can say it won't get better, but you're wrong. It always has. This isn't the first time Muslims have "invaded" Europe. Muslims came into Southern Spain and stayed their for centuries along with the Jews until they were forced out by the Catholic Church. Those who stayed became Catholic. Even now many Southern Spanish are of Arab decent. People will always change, and there children will be a product of their environment. That's the way it is. It won't come as quick as anyone wants, but if you look at history you will see that progress is often slow. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but many things won't. In this age where technology and fashion moves so quickly we often forget that many things will simply refuse to yield to acceleration, and one of those things is ideology.
At least with china towns i dont have to worry about getting bombed if i go to see a concert.
Yonger and younger these terrorists become, they are already the next generation in line and with the world and technology you can spread propaganda even quicker, it wont die in time while technology is so simple and easy to use, it is not the time of the pigeon and mail.
Progress has never been faster, jihadis can jihad faster and recruit quicker than ever before and it will get worse before it gets better that is if it does get better.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
384
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:19:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:True Adamance wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?' I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it. Nuclear is not even needed, it would be overkill but would send a strong message and make lots of glass. All you need is cruise missiles and just level every single city they have, once the country becomes a parking lot then it is over since you do not just hammer them mentally you also take away any economic potential they had so live is **** for everyone. Think of what the allies did to dresdan but times it by a 1000 and then some just for the few actions of a small group, non stop bombing until there is nothing left. I dont balme the french for deciding to bomb the **** out of them, they did bring it on themselves and so be it, reactions and consequences just like the french dude in the matrix said but while this immigration thing is still ongoing most of the EU is at risk to more of these attacks, maybe get austrailia in to sink the boats.
Wow, kill millions of civilians just because you don't like them.
Go and rinse your mouth out with buckshot. Make the world a better place.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled.
How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.
No it wont, muslims fail to adapt and expect the target country to adapt to there way of life and they force it on the countries population in ways such as sharia law. In parts of the UK you would think it was iraq if it wasnt for the rain, hearing the call to prayer blasting out while tehy try to inflict sharia law on the local population. Muslim havens in Europe are no different from China Towns and Italian/Irish/Jewish slums of America of the past. There were a surprising number of riots against these people in their respective sub communities by the majority population who were not first or second generation people. You can say it won't get better, but you're wrong. It always has. This isn't the first time Muslims have "invaded" Europe. Muslims came into Southern Spain and stayed their for centuries along with the Jews until they were forced out by the Catholic Church. Those who stayed became Catholic. Even now many Southern Spanish are of Arab decent. People will always change, and there children will be a product of their environment. That's the way it is. It won't come as quick as anyone wants, but if you look at history you will see that progress is often slow. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but many things won't. In this age where technology and fashion moves so quickly we often forget that many things will simply refuse to yield to acceleration, and one of those things is ideology. At least with china towns i dont have to worry about getting bombed if i go to see a concert. Yonger and younger these terrorists become, they are already the next generation in line and with the world and technology you can spread propaganda even quicker, it wont die in time while technology is so simple and easy to use, it is not the time of the pigeon and mail. Progress has never been faster, jihadis can jihad faster and recruit quicker than ever before and it will get worse before it gets better that is if it does get better.
Such racism and ignorance. Much wow.
Your worse talking politics than pretending your a good tanker.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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General Mosquito wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:True Adamance wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?' I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it. Nuclear is not even needed, it would be overkill but would send a strong message and make lots of glass. All you need is cruise missiles and just level every single city they have, once the country becomes a parking lot then it is over since you do not just hammer them mentally you also take away any economic potential they had so live is **** for everyone. Think of what the allies did to dresdan but times it by a 1000 and then some just for the few actions of a small group, non stop bombing until there is nothing left. I dont balme the french for deciding to bomb the **** out of them, they did bring it on themselves and so be it, reactions and consequences just like the french dude in the matrix said but while this immigration thing is still ongoing most of the EU is at risk to more of these attacks, maybe get austrailia in to sink the boats. Wow, kill millions of civilians just because you don't like them. Go and rinse your mouth out with buckshot. Make the world a better place.
They already dont like us so whats the difference?
I would rarther use that buickshot for something else but gun laws are quite tight here.
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:I read many things here and some of them need clarifications :
ISIS are NOT muslims. They are fanatics, extremists who uses some words of the Coran to extrapolate wrong ideas. This could be done with any book and any religion (the Bible or the Torah for example).
Their main goal is to tarnish muslims reputation all over the world by attacking them directly. This way, it divides countries and muslims feel rejected.. and join them !!
If you start to mix real muslims with ISIS, you play their game. They only want chaos. They know they don't have the man power and financial power to face occidental countries, so they try to divide them, to scare their people by attacking them directly (and not their army).
Everybody needs to think bigger, to stay united. We must keep living normaly as we always did. We must NOT fall into fear, and we must not reject muslims. Same book Doesn't help that the vast majority of silent muslims actually agree with the extremists Muslims tarnish there own reputation when they come over to a new country say the UK then demand sharia law or start up **** gangs which only attack white girls which has happened far too much and nothing is said yet again because of the fear of being called racist. If we reject muslims then attacks like this cannot happen because attacks like this are carried out by muslims so if no muslims then no attacks, the west is far too welcoming you wont get saudi arabia opening there arms to christians, they dont even allow churches to be built yet in the west we keep opening mosques like supermarkets. While you will say its only a small % of the muslim population there is over 1 billion of them, 10% which openly agree with ISIS is 100 million let alone how mnay silently agree with them. It is only going to get worse if you ignore the problem
Gotta say I agree with takahiro..on this
pc master race
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DeadlyAztec11
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
At least with china towns i dont have to worry about getting bombed if i go to see a concert.
Yonger and younger these terrorists become, they are already the next generation in line and with the world and technology you can spread propaganda even quicker, it wont die in time while technology is so simple and easy to use, it is not the time of the pigeon and mail.
Progress has never been faster, jihadis can jihad faster and recruit quicker than ever before and it will get worse before it gets better that is if it does get better.
You are thinking of modern China Towns which are the result of over 150 years of letting gangs die out. In the Wild West they actually brought in smiths to make them spears, battle axes, swords, daggers and shields. They were extremely violent in their inception.
How about the Jews and Italians? Mafias were the terrorists on the early 20th century. They were so bad the FBI had to be made.
Everything gets better with time. Also, ideologies tend to die out faster now that technology is so prevalent. It's not the Apocalypse. Trust me, things will eventually get better. As long as we stay out of it. The more we choose to bomb them the longer the fighting will go on.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:41:00 -
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(hangs head in remberence of the fallen)
for the fallen unfourtanets may thier poor soul's R.I.P.
for those that have sinned and killed during this outrageous attack on france. may they never know peace or salvation. only despair and pain is all that awaits for them in thier after life.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521458/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47521142
Oppose me and you shall incure my wrath.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
384
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Posted - 2015.11.16 02:25:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:True Adamance wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?' I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it. Nuclear is not even needed, it would be overkill but would send a strong message and make lots of glass. All you need is cruise missiles and just level every single city they have, once the country becomes a parking lot then it is over since you do not just hammer them mentally you also take away any economic potential they had so live is **** for everyone. Think of what the allies did to dresdan but times it by a 1000 and then some just for the few actions of a small group, non stop bombing until there is nothing left. I dont balme the french for deciding to bomb the **** out of them, they did bring it on themselves and so be it, reactions and consequences just like the french dude in the matrix said but while this immigration thing is still ongoing most of the EU is at risk to more of these attacks, maybe get austrailia in to sink the boats. Wow, kill millions of civilians just because you don't like them. Go and rinse your mouth out with buckshot. Make the world a better place. They already dont like us so whats the difference? I would rarther use that buickshot for something else but gun laws are quite tight here.
You think they don't have a reason?
We tortured them, overthrew their governments, took their resources, and installed tyrants. We also supported a massive open air prison and the people who disrespect their holy sites.
Now, their violence is horrid, and evil. But to act like we did nothing to earn their hatred is part of the problem. As long as people perpetuate this sick Orientalism and let the media turn them into some inscrutable other who is unable to see reason and naturally violent(which is of course not true), then this is merely another turn on a wheel that will continue to turn.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
384
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Posted - 2015.11.16 02:29:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:I read many things here and some of them need clarifications :
ISIS are NOT muslims. They are fanatics, extremists who uses some words of the Coran to extrapolate wrong ideas. This could be done with any book and any religion (the Bible or the Torah for example).
Their main goal is to tarnish muslims reputation all over the world by attacking them directly. This way, it divides countries and muslims feel rejected.. and join them !!
If you start to mix real muslims with ISIS, you play their game. They only want chaos. They know they don't have the man power and financial power to face occidental countries, so they try to divide them, to scare their people by attacking them directly (and not their army).
Everybody needs to think bigger, to stay united. We must keep living normaly as we always did. We must NOT fall into fear, and we must not reject muslims. Same book Doesn't help that the vast majority of silent muslims actually agree with the extremists Muslims tarnish there own reputation when they come over to a new country say the UK then demand sharia law or start up **** gangs which only attack white girls which has happened far too much and nothing is said yet again because of the fear of being called racist. If we reject muslims then attacks like this cannot happen because attacks like this are carried out by muslims so if no muslims then no attacks, the west is far too welcoming you wont get saudi arabia opening there arms to christians, they dont even allow churches to be built yet in the west we keep opening mosques like supermarkets. While you will say its only a small % of the muslim population there is over 1 billion of them, 10% which openly agree with ISIS is 100 million let alone how mnay silently agree with them. It is only going to get worse if you ignore the problem Gotta say I agree with takahiro..on this
Well of course ignorant racists are going to agree.
Pretty sure you would find yourself in solid agreement with Klansman and Neonazis as well on this one.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 02:40:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:
You think they don't have a reason?
We tortured them, overthrew their governments, took their resources, and installed tyrants. We also supported a massive open air prison and the people who disrespect their holy sites.
Now, their violence is horrid, and evil. But to act like we did nothing to earn their hatred is part of the problem. As long as people perpetuate this sick Orientalism and let the media turn them into some inscrutable other who is unable to see reason and naturally violent(which is of course not true), then this is merely another turn on a wheel that will continue to turn.
They were ransacking settlements well before the christian crusades even took place does that mean we have an open goal in which to hit them?
We can play this game time and again of who shot who, the west have taken an intrest in the ME because of oil or to defned isreal etc but if your gonna play that game expect to get hit, france got hit now thjey gonna rain hell on whoever for retaliation.
Both sides are at fault no matter what but really the west should not bother and keep out and give the final ultimatium 'if you attack in any shape or form us or our allies we will turn you into rubble using any means nessasary'
Meddling in the ME has brought nothing but problems all for oil, take the oil away from the ME and they become irrelevent.
Both sides have reasons, i can go back before the crusades when muslims attacked christians etc just how far back do you want to go?
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 02:49:00 -
[269] - Quote
General Mosquito wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:I read many things here and some of them need clarifications :
ISIS are NOT muslims. They are fanatics, extremists who uses some words of the Coran to extrapolate wrong ideas. This could be done with any book and any religion (the Bible or the Torah for example).
Their main goal is to tarnish muslims reputation all over the world by attacking them directly. This way, it divides countries and muslims feel rejected.. and join them !!
If you start to mix real muslims with ISIS, you play their game. They only want chaos. They know they don't have the man power and financial power to face occidental countries, so they try to divide them, to scare their people by attacking them directly (and not their army).
Everybody needs to think bigger, to stay united. We must keep living normaly as we always did. We must NOT fall into fear, and we must not reject muslims. Same book Doesn't help that the vast majority of silent muslims actually agree with the extremists Muslims tarnish there own reputation when they come over to a new country say the UK then demand sharia law or start up **** gangs which only attack white girls which has happened far too much and nothing is said yet again because of the fear of being called racist. If we reject muslims then attacks like this cannot happen because attacks like this are carried out by muslims so if no muslims then no attacks, the west is far too welcoming you wont get saudi arabia opening there arms to christians, they dont even allow churches to be built yet in the west we keep opening mosques like supermarkets. While you will say its only a small % of the muslim population there is over 1 billion of them, 10% which openly agree with ISIS is 100 million let alone how mnay silently agree with them. It is only going to get worse if you ignore the problem Gotta say I agree with takahiro..on this Well of course ignorant racists are going to agree. Pretty sure you would find yourself in solid agreement with Klansman and Neonazis as well on this one.
Keep shouting your favourite buzzword, god forbid if anyone has a different opinion to your leftist leaning hippy BS.
I am a realist and everytime muslims enter something bad happens, UK **** gangs run wild, france terrorist incidents, sweden more **** gangs etc
So far im not seeing anything good about this invasion, im seeing the breaking down of various countries which want to protect there national identity but cant because people like you are quick to shout racist.
CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.11.16 03:14:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Some of the arguments here are like stupid.
It's like Japanese people seeking for revenge because of WWII facts-
I guess we're not safe here in Italy then: I heard people are raising an army in Tunisia because, you know, we destroyed Carthage a "while" back and never gave them the status of "cives". Today's people must be very angry for that reason. Iraq got destroyed with the last 15 years, and troops are still on the ground. This is not deep past. Americans were torturing DAESH members less than 10 years ago. They supervised the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad less than 10 years ago. The majority of DAESH leadership comes from Saddams army, which Bremer disbanded after the invasion. These things matter. DAESH doesn't exist becuase Muslims hate freedom. It exists because rampaging across a country, randomly arresting and torturing people, then firing them from their jobs and standing back while death squads kill 60 plus people a day tends to make people angry. This is living memory, or it should be. Even though the attack that DAESH does commit or assuredly crimes, not understanding how they came to be will only create more like them.
Indeed this is a reaction "war". I was just being ironical. The thing is, if any state reacted to any kind of "mistake" or "wrong war" (read first and second Gulf War) humanity wouldn't exist anymore. It is a vicious circle where everyone seek revenge and if people keep acting like this, the whole conflict would escalate into something much worse than terrorism.
I know I might not be clear here:
let's pretend Japan never surrendered after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, developing and launching its own nukes.
Or that Japanese people, after being defeated seeked revenge years later, launching an attack of the same proportions.
Or think about the Cuban Missile Crisis where both parts had to peacefully solve the problem in order to prevent a nuclear apocalypse.
Revenge, is not an excuse. If innocent have been killed, how would killing other innocents be a relief?
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