That's partially true in my opinion.

We in Italy have at least 2-3 boats of irregular immigrants everyday. But still, at least for what I know, none of the irregular immigrants has been involved in any of the recent attacks in Europe.

The problem are the people who were born and raised in Europe/US. That's why you can't really say who is the terrorist and who's not. Also, France has always had the strongest presence of immigrants from middle east, and many of them are even 3rd/4th generation French. It is not so easy.

In a "traditional" war you already know who is the enemy. Now, you don't know who they are. They don't have a specific nationality, nor they can be easily recognized. You can decide to attack IS in their "home" but the problem is not IS itself.

As someone before me said, the problem here is religion and its interpretation.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not even atheist, but religion, may be (and has certainly been) strumentalised in order to manipulate the (ignorant) masses. And when you manipulate people from the second largest religion, the problem becomes huge.

That's why EU can't do nothing. We have seen way too many wars because of religion to let this happen again.

... In other news.

The comments section of the Toronto Sun say Israel might be next to encounter something like this... I'll have to wait till i get back the news paper to see the details.

Since Last night more police are patrolling Downtown Toronto supposedly... Affects us on the other side of the Atlantic, too.
Honestly, Canada doesn't fair well dealing with terror on a large scale in our borders (FLQ for example). So i think tons of people are paranoid here, too. Especially the racist ones in the GTA (my mother for example).


Jeez... Not to sound stupid but... This is like a modern day Crusades now that I think about it -- just Muslims instead of Christians. Hopefully it doesn't become a modern day Crusade.

Just one had syrian passport and honestly it is not mean anything.
He can be one of the few last waves, but he can be even just on syrian who arived long long time ago.
I want be objective here, honestly i do not believe that someone who just arive will have perfect location knowledge.
I see biggest possibilty these mongrels were already for some time in the France.
I dont advocate them, but when i will know i will know.
And what i know right now is that was just hideous act of cowardice, because if they have issue with army forces attacking their nonsence, they should attack army not inocent people.

Wait wait wait.

I don't want to say ISIS is really to blame... (this came to mind while reading this topic)


I'm just looking at another possibility.. Help me out here. Give me a lil slack.

One of them were Syrian right?
How many refugees are coming out of Syria?

Now... How many syrians are not able to enter a country/ taking "long" to get refugee status? Especially in the EU... which is next door? See what I'm getting at?

A small group of people might have taken matters in there own hands... Knowing ISIS likes to take responsibility for things they haven't done (E.G: ISIS saying they are responsible for the Russian Plane being "shot down" when it could not be destroyed by external means.) it might be everyone focusing on the wrong thing. It might be people being outraged by how they've been treated by foreign governments, so they bring their refugee reasons to these countries --Literally.

If they managed to reach any "main" country in the EU, they'd take the opportunity (The person left Greece and went into one of these "main" states of the EU: France.).

As someone else said, it might be Germany next... Not what the newspapers here been saying (Israel because they are surrounded by enemies, and they are closest to the issue)

Sadly, i don't have enough information to prove all of that but... I've been trying to look at this from a different vista... Just what if we're wrong? (I'm a process of elimination kinda guy lol)


Like if ISIS truly wanted to do something bad for everyone... They'd go for an oil refinery and hold that hostage... Now that would screw up the world for a few days/weeks... Probably months. I can't even try to predict what would happen (i basically just turned 17, i barely have 1st hand life experience)... Maybe a serious decline in the economy... Forced recession?

...Thankfully they don't take that into consideration. Hmm.

I do not mean to be insensitive but this will not end unless we do something drastically different with foreign policy as western nations.

We are indirectly responsible for this mess. A good idea would be to STOP SENDING WEAPONS to the middle east PERIOD! Not to any 'moderates' or anyone else.

I feel so bad for Parisian families. They had had a lot to endure the last few years especially.

No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?'

I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it.

I read many things here and some of them need clarifications :

ISIS are NOT muslims. They are fanatics, extremists who uses some words of the Coran to extrapolate wrong ideas. This could be done with any book and any religion (the Bible or the Torah for example).

Their main goal is to tarnish muslims reputation all over the world by attacking them directly. This way, it divides countries and muslims feel rejected.. and join them !!

If you start to mix real muslims with ISIS, you play their game. They only want chaos. They know they don't have the man power and financial power to face occidental countries, so they try to divide them, to scare their people by attacking them directly (and not their army).

Everybody needs to think bigger, to stay united. We must keep living normaly as we always did. We must NOT fall into fear, and we must not reject muslims.

It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled.

How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.

Muslim havens in Europe are no different from China Towns and Italian/Irish/Jewish slums of America of the past. There were a surprising number of riots against these people in their respective sub communities by the majority population who were not first or second generation people.

You can say it won't get better, but you're wrong. It always has.

This isn't the first time Muslims have "invaded" Europe. Muslims came into Southern Spain and stayed their for centuries along with the Jews until they were forced out by the Catholic Church. Those who stayed became Catholic. Even now many Southern Spanish are of Arab decent.

People will always change, and there children will be a product of their environment. That's the way it is. It won't come as quick as anyone wants, but if you look at history you will see that progress is often slow. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but many things won't. In this age where technology and fashion moves so quickly we often forget that many things will simply refuse to yield to acceleration, and one of those things is ideology.

Wow, kill millions of civilians just because you don't like them.

Go and rinse your mouth out with buckshot. Make the world a better place.

You think they don't have a reason?

We tortured them, overthrew their governments, took their resources, and installed tyrants. We also supported a massive open air prison and the people who disrespect their holy sites.

Now, their violence is horrid, and evil. But to act like we did nothing to earn their hatred is part of the problem. As long as people perpetuate this sick Orientalism and let the media turn them into some inscrutable other who is unable to see reason and naturally violent(which is of course not true), then this is merely another turn on a wheel that will continue to turn.

Well of course ignorant racists are going to agree.

Pretty sure you would find yourself in solid agreement with Klansman and Neonazis as well on this one.

^^^

So much racism and bullsh.t is terrifying. It's because of thoughts like yours that IS does terrorist attacks. So that you start fearing muslims and reject them thinking they are all terrorists.

You need to be educated, to read more, so you can maybe be less ignorant.

So because the West allied with a theocracy that is barbaric the rest of Islam is radical as well?

Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine and Oman all have churches. I was in them.

Maybe you are the one who needs to take a trip to the Middle East so you can actually see. Although, for a bigot, I can understand your reluctance.