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General Mosquito
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Religion is the most useless thing in the universe. Religion is dependent upon the basis of the belief. Not all religions are alike. Jesus never said to conquer people with violence. He didn't found a religion either, but the religion part is simply people following his teachings. People that use Christianity to harm are not justified by the basis of the belief, unlike Islam. There are a lot of good people that believe in God otherwise and are better for it. I am surrounded by people like that. People are fallible however, so you can't judge a belief based on the people. When the religion is more than a religion however, and directly states that its believers should convert by force there should be a concern. I submit this here again. Well stated. http://www.meguiar.addr.com/end_times/muslim_takeover_of_europe.htm
Blah blah, Islam is a religion of violence.
http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/ten-ways-islamic-forbids-terrorism.html
Except it isn't.
Christians use Deuteronomy amongst other things to justify a whole host of file acts. Don't try and pretend that Islam and Christianity are too sides of the same coin.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 00:26:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:The most successful tactics the insurgent groups utilize is aggressive local recruitment.
I'm willing to bet they plan this **** for years until they can go over it by the numbers in their sleep. I was really out of this problem, but after this attack my first thing in mind was basicaly "nuke them". Honestly i know there is still people in place where are they, but if you ask me i will be for carpet attacks, supported by surgical strikes 24/7. This is enough. Im for people, for equality etc. But enought is enough.
That is because you are an idiot.
Do you think that DAESH exists in a vacuum? Do you think brown people in the middle East don't have a bone to pick after 100 years of oppression by the West?
What they are doing is morally wrong, but to act like it is done without provocation is ignorant.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 00:30:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:YUUKI TERUMI wrote:Religion is the most useless thing in the universe. Religion is dependent upon the basis of the belief. Not all religions are alike. Jesus never said to conquer people with violence. He didn't found a religion either, but the religion part is simply people following his teachings. People that use Christianity to harm are not justified by the basis of the belief, unlike Islam. There are a lot of good people that believe in God otherwise and are better for it. I am surrounded by people like that. People are fallible however, so you can't judge a belief based on the people. When the religion is more than a religion however, and directly states that its believers should convert by force there should be a concern. I submit this here again. Well stated. http://www.meguiar.addr.com/end_times/muslim_takeover_of_europe.htm Blah blah, Islam is a religion of violence. http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/ten-ways-islamic-forbids-terrorism.htmlExcept it isn't. Christians use Deuteronomy amongst other things to justify a whole host of file acts. Don't try and pretend that Islam and Christianity are too sides of the same coin. Please, educate yourself on Islam. The history and nature of the Quran. Stop ignorantly dismissing the issue with a generic catch-all arguement. If you don't want to believe then don't, but don't try and argue a over a subject that you reject and are more than happy to be dismissive about. It leads nowhere.
What I linked quotes the Qu'ran. Maybe you should have read it jackass.
I'm dismissive of people like Islam is worse, when Christianity has the much higher running body count, and Western powers have spent the last 50 years pushing Islam to the extreme.
Wahhabism didn't get spread around on a whim, it was a policy decision by the West as part of their deal with the Saudis.
The West now reaps what it so happily sowed.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.11.15 00:32:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:benandjerrys wrote:Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson
Separation of church and state was the foundation of the United States of America. Mind you, many colonies were founded on the preface of religion. America is 2 different continents.
Im done with this bickering, innocent people died. You can flame the countries that react with aggression when their innocents are murdered but at least when they respond they attempt to in focused attempt to prevent collateral, while that collateral is their enemies primary prey. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. No, separation of church and state does not exist in e Constitution. That is a personal quote by Jefferson. The Bill of Rights states no law shall be made establishing a state religion. Also, note it says the free exercise thereof. That includes representatives of the U.S. government. Note I said representatives. The U.S. government is the people. There are many religious people in the U.S. and most are Christian. If Christians elect representatives who also believe or are willing to express that religion then they are so allowed. The people who are restricting rights are the atheists who want to enforce the myth of separation of church and state. To them it means to shut Christians up pure and simple.
Article 6 paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution would disagree with you.
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General Mosquito
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Posted - 2015.11.15 00:45:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
What I linked quotes the Qu'ran. Maybe you should have read it jackass.
I'm dismissive of people like Islam is worse, when Christianity has the much higher running body count, and Western powers have spent the last 50 years pushing Islam to the extreme.
Wahhabism didn't get spread around on a whim, it was a policy decision by the West as part of their deal with the Saudis.
The West now reaps what it so happily sowed.
Read the complete post. I was in the process of editing it. Also, I see I'm dealing with a name calling fool. So, I will leave the arguement there. Again though, you can't pass judgment on Christianity based on the actions of ignorant people that use it for nefarious purposes. Jesus even made a point about at sort of thing both about himself and the Pharisees, who enforced Jewish law legalistically.
So what, you exempt bible thumping terrorists, but not Islamic ones?
The amount of hypocrisy and your attempted derision are laughable.
I can and will condemn Christian extremists just as roundly as I condemn Islamic ones. I don't pretend that one is any less violent than the other, because they are not.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 02:22:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first?
I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people.
Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not?
Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago?
This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events.
This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:38:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first? I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people. Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not? Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago? This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events. This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding. are we supposed to be outraged over murders in Lebanon? vs murders in France...is like comparing apples to oranges lol also Lebanon is kinda in the middle of a **** storm death there is expected is tragic the loss of 60 lives is very tragic but the higher reaction to lives lost in France is completely understandable in my opinion France has been an ally to the us..since it was founded ..they are our oldest and closest ally our dearest friend higher levels of outrage are completely understandable for me the outrage is personal i knew some of the dead in France i knew no one in Lebanon
Your friend who died is worth just as much as a Lebanese or any other type of civilian. Not more though.
Beyond that, control yourself, and your emotions. We all lose people. It is nothing new. Handle yourself appropriately, instead of calling for nuclear war because you don't know how to deal with unpleasant feelings.
As long as this blatant double standard exists where Western lives are somehow more valuable, then more of this stuff will keep going on.
Although considering that DAESH only exists because of the Iraqi war, this is kind of a you break it, you bought it type of situation. Not that anyone will be thinking that way right now in all the patriotic fervour, but it is factually correct.
I really pity the thousands more middle eastern civilians who are going to die because of the escalation this will bring.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:51:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people.
Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not?
Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago?
This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events.
This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding.
Here, as in all things, I don't give a merry sh*t what you think. Justify things all you like, but that doesn't change a damn thing. You can armchair history and say yhe murder of civilians in this particular manner is justified. I will be cheering for the guys who are sent to torch the bastards who masterminded it. And bluntly the middle east doesn't need western help to oppress itself. They're doing it just fine on their own in the areas that suffer this crap daily.
Typical imperial American thinking.
You ignore history at your peril.
If you can't see the direct line from WWI to today, then I think you should take up the issue with the teachers who failed you.
Do you think the victims of imperial policy forget their suffering?
Do you think the leaders of DAESH forgot being tortured in Abu Ghraib? Or having their country destroyed by coalition forces? Or watching as the Coalition stood on the sidelines while ethnic cleansing was going on in Baghdad?
They do not forget our sides crimes, and we would do well to remember them, so as to properly judge our enemy.
You cannot fight an enemy if you assign them arbitrary traits and attempt to make them comic villians.
The only place for ignorance in these matters is for martyrs.
Finally, I did not say it was justified. Any attack on civilians is reprehensible. However, to forget that our side has been inflicting civilians casualties, overthrowing governments and supporting some of the most vile regimes in that region for almost a century is not acceptable.
Your ignorance stains any argument you make. How can someone who cannot recognize the effects of sykes picot today pretend they know what they are talking about?
American schools at work people.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 14:56:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Your ignorance stains any argument you make. How can someone who cannot recognize the effects of sykes picot today pretend they know what they are talking about?
American schools at work people.
I'm well aware of this crap. Guess what? We mustall live with the mistakes of our forebears. But your high horse and imperialist BS is old, it's tired, it's propagandist BS on the same vein as telling children that europe is full of people who don't understand freedom. Get off your high horse. You're not making points anyone is really interested in. I am not a backwoods hick that buys every BS thing I'm spoon fed. I am concerned with the here and now. Lamenting past mistakes of government officials is hardly something i find constructive. I display my displeasure by helping vote the bastards out.
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
This over aggressive hyper violent reactionary orgy of feeling is shameful. It is almost as disgusting as the terrorists power March after Hebdo.
The societal over reaction to 9/11 allowed for the Iraq war, which was the genesis of DAESH. The people in this thread should at least be aware of that fact before they run around calling for more violence.
That you think stating unpleasant truths is propagandist is unfortunate, but the facts on the ground are not going to change because you don't like them.
In fact, you are much, much worse of a human being if you are not ignorant of these facts. It would be somewhat understandable if you were unaware of the historical facts surrounding the matter. That you claim to not be ignorant of these facts and are still being overly militaristic shows that you are far worse than someone who was generally ignorant of how we got to here, even just using the last 13 years as a guidepost.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 15:03:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Some of the arguments here are like stupid.
It's like Japanese people seeking for revenge because of WWII facts-
I guess we're not safe here in Italy then: I heard people are raising an army in Tunisia because, you know, we destroyed Carthage a "while" back and never gave them the status of "cives". Today's people must be very angry for that reason.
Iraq got destroyed with the last 15 years, and troops are still on the ground. This is not deep past.
Americans were torturing DAESH members less than 10 years ago. They supervised the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad less than 10 years ago. The majority of DAESH leadership comes from Saddams army, which Bremer disbanded after the invasion.
These things matter. DAESH doesn't exist becuase Muslims hate freedom. It exists because rampaging across a country, randomly arresting and torturing people, then firing them from their jobs and standing back while death squads kill 60 plus people a day tends to make people angry.
This is living memory, or it should be. Even though the attack that DAESH does commit or assuredly crimes, not understanding how they came to be will only create more like them.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 15:16:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first? I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people. Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not? Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago? This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events. This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding. are we supposed to be outraged over murders in Lebanon? vs murders in France...is like comparing apples to oranges lol also Lebanon is kinda in the middle of a **** storm death there is expected is tragic the loss of 60 lives is very tragic but the higher reaction to lives lost in France is completely understandable in my opinion France has been an ally to the us..since it was founded ..they are our oldest and closest ally our dearest friend higher levels of outrage are completely understandable for me the outrage is personal i knew some of the dead in France i knew no one in Lebanon Your friend who died is worth just as much as a Lebanese or any other type of civilian. Not more though. Beyond that, control yourself, and your emotions. We all lose people. It is nothing new. Handle yourself appropriately, instead of calling for nuclear war because you don't know how to deal with unpleasant feelings. As long as this blatant double standard exists where Western lives are somehow more valuable, then more of this stuff will keep going on. Although considering that DAESH only exists because of the Iraqi war, this is kind of a you break it, you bought it type of situation. Not that anyone will be thinking that way right now in all the patriotic fervour, but it is factually correct. I really pity the thousands more middle eastern civilians who are going to die because of the escalation this will bring. oh please its hardly a double standard and France isnt the western world to me lol im in america i never said his life was technically worth more than theirs i said it was worth more to me is one thing to watch a bunch of Muslims killing a bunch of other Muslims none of who you know its another thing to lose loved ones ..pretty obvious why the later means more to me besides that there is a reason i despise Muslims and its got nothing to do with american media because i dont watch or read american media it has to do with me finding them abhorrent ..mostly due to female genitalia mutilation and the outright sexism of all the men..i mean cant tell you how many arabs ask me per day(average of 5) to move to the middle east and be one of their wives lol besides that a large portion of Muslims would see people like me dead...so sue me for not caring about their lives im hardly gunna be the bigger person when it comes to this lol they want people like me dead i want people like them dead its that simple
Wow. So you despise a whole group of people because of the actions of a few. Way to be bigoted.
Although, your post contains a fundamental contradiction. If a large portion of Muslims want you dead, why would 5 a day ask you to be one of their wives?
Now, take your I suffered a personal loss and I demand vengeance mindset, and transpose it onto a brown person who succeeded more than just losing a friend. If your call for vengeance should be followed, does there own claim for such not bear equal or greater weight?
To be clear, I say that you are both wrong, and in neither case in violence for the sake of revenge justified. But I wonder if you think that they have cause or not. If the West has the right to use military force in response to criminal acts, then surely their victims do?
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:07:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them...
it doesnt matter if all of them are terrible people because i cant distinguish the good ones from the bad ones ie they are all bad is a safer approach ide rather be a bigot and have them all tossed out and treated the same than try to be a kink person and have terrorists slip through my fingers
look at what not being a bigot got france? they accepted that there are good msulims let them into thier country and not the bad muslims are burning thier country down ...if they were more biggoted that wouldn't have happened because they wouldn't have let the muslims in...because it would be to high a risk
our humanity fucks us when it comes to the muslims you try to be good the the ones that deserve it it leaves and opening for terrorism...you try to preserve civilian life your seen as weak..brutality is what they know brutality is what they should be shown
If you choose to give up your humanity because you can't be bothered to sort out people from criminals, then why should your enemy not do the same?
You demand the sanctity of civilians on one side only, and it is disgusting. You want blood because you lost a friend, and cannot understand the other side wanting the same.
So your retribution is justified, but theirs is terrorism. If people were not going to die becuase of people like you thinking that garbage it would be funny.
What is most depressing is you and that attitude are every bit as absolutist as a DAESH member. You share the same worldview. The enemy is not like us, they are monsters.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:23:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them... Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance? no im just that ******* practical sometimes i guess i can be cruel but my bf is military he has served in Afghanistan and iraq and ive heard enough horror stories it is impossible to sort through them...and trying to do so is going to and has cost us ... i have some pretty bad ptsd i go to a support group of veterans and listen to their stories i have always felt honored that they allow me to come i am not a veteran i simply have ptsd but after listening to story after story i have started seeing it in this black and white fashion we cant sort them there is just no way to do it and trying to do is has cost a lot of lives
Maybe not trying to dominate them?
Maybe letting them manage their own resources and choose their own governments.
The West has never tried a method that didn't involve violence or corruption.
You act like we were sitting on this side of the Atlantic minding our own business and Arabs just decided it was time to kick some ass. It's just ridiculous.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:16:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them... Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance? no im just that ******* practical sometimes i guess i can be cruel but my bf is military he has served in Afghanistan and iraq and ive heard enough horror stories it is impossible to sort through them...and trying to do so is going to and has cost us ... i have some pretty bad ptsd i go to a support group of veterans and listen to their stories i have always felt honored that they allow me to come i am not a veteran i simply have ptsd but after listening to story after story i have started seeing it in this black and white fashion we cant sort them there is just no way to do it and trying to do is has cost a lot of lives Maybe not trying to dominate them? Maybe letting them manage their own resources and choose their own governments. The West has never tried a method that didn't involve violence or corruption. You act like we were sitting on this side of the Atlantic minding our own business and Arabs just decided it was time to kick some ass. It's just ridiculous. do u really think leaving them alone will solve the problem i dont thatll just give the time to plan worse attacks time to build up ..when they should be broken down it doesnt matter what started this all that matters is that it ends now however it can be done
We built them up.
DAESH is the result of an unjust war on Iraq. It is the result of the heinous crimes committed against Arabs in our name.
Is it your contention that we have ever been positive for civilians in the middle East?
You cannot end a movement that is fed by oppressive acts by committing more oppressive acts. No amount of violence will quell the desire for self sufficiency and self determination that resides with every single human being.
And of course, do not forgot who radicalized them. It was our ally in Saudi Arabia. DAESH is literally the chickens coming home to roost, and all you want to do is build more coops in the hope it will turn out different.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:19:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:True Adamance wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?' I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it. Nuclear is not even needed, it would be overkill but would send a strong message and make lots of glass. All you need is cruise missiles and just level every single city they have, once the country becomes a parking lot then it is over since you do not just hammer them mentally you also take away any economic potential they had so live is **** for everyone. Think of what the allies did to dresdan but times it by a 1000 and then some just for the few actions of a small group, non stop bombing until there is nothing left. I dont balme the french for deciding to bomb the **** out of them, they did bring it on themselves and so be it, reactions and consequences just like the french dude in the matrix said but while this immigration thing is still ongoing most of the EU is at risk to more of these attacks, maybe get austrailia in to sink the boats.
Wow, kill millions of civilians just because you don't like them.
Go and rinse your mouth out with buckshot. Make the world a better place.
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled.
How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.
No it wont, muslims fail to adapt and expect the target country to adapt to there way of life and they force it on the countries population in ways such as sharia law. In parts of the UK you would think it was iraq if it wasnt for the rain, hearing the call to prayer blasting out while tehy try to inflict sharia law on the local population. Muslim havens in Europe are no different from China Towns and Italian/Irish/Jewish slums of America of the past. There were a surprising number of riots against these people in their respective sub communities by the majority population who were not first or second generation people. You can say it won't get better, but you're wrong. It always has. This isn't the first time Muslims have "invaded" Europe. Muslims came into Southern Spain and stayed their for centuries along with the Jews until they were forced out by the Catholic Church. Those who stayed became Catholic. Even now many Southern Spanish are of Arab decent. People will always change, and there children will be a product of their environment. That's the way it is. It won't come as quick as anyone wants, but if you look at history you will see that progress is often slow. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but many things won't. In this age where technology and fashion moves so quickly we often forget that many things will simply refuse to yield to acceleration, and one of those things is ideology. At least with china towns i dont have to worry about getting bombed if i go to see a concert. Yonger and younger these terrorists become, they are already the next generation in line and with the world and technology you can spread propaganda even quicker, it wont die in time while technology is so simple and easy to use, it is not the time of the pigeon and mail. Progress has never been faster, jihadis can jihad faster and recruit quicker than ever before and it will get worse before it gets better that is if it does get better.
Such racism and ignorance. Much wow.
Your worse talking politics than pretending your a good tanker.
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:True Adamance wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
No one wants Nuclear war..... at all. However do you begrudge France for now taking steps toward what they see as 'finishing' the conflict 'you insist they seems to bear a sole responsibility for?' I'd like to believe not because when it comes to violence and conflict morality means so very little in the face of large scale loss of human life and no moralization of 'they struck first' justifies a retaliatory act. A God that demands his people murder to affirm the nature of its existence cannot every truly be worth the credence of thought the devout offer it. Nuclear is not even needed, it would be overkill but would send a strong message and make lots of glass. All you need is cruise missiles and just level every single city they have, once the country becomes a parking lot then it is over since you do not just hammer them mentally you also take away any economic potential they had so live is **** for everyone. Think of what the allies did to dresdan but times it by a 1000 and then some just for the few actions of a small group, non stop bombing until there is nothing left. I dont balme the french for deciding to bomb the **** out of them, they did bring it on themselves and so be it, reactions and consequences just like the french dude in the matrix said but while this immigration thing is still ongoing most of the EU is at risk to more of these attacks, maybe get austrailia in to sink the boats. Wow, kill millions of civilians just because you don't like them. Go and rinse your mouth out with buckshot. Make the world a better place. They already dont like us so whats the difference? I would rarther use that buickshot for something else but gun laws are quite tight here.
You think they don't have a reason?
We tortured them, overthrew their governments, took their resources, and installed tyrants. We also supported a massive open air prison and the people who disrespect their holy sites.
Now, their violence is horrid, and evil. But to act like we did nothing to earn their hatred is part of the problem. As long as people perpetuate this sick Orientalism and let the media turn them into some inscrutable other who is unable to see reason and naturally violent(which is of course not true), then this is merely another turn on a wheel that will continue to turn.
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Mortedeamor wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:I read many things here and some of them need clarifications :
ISIS are NOT muslims. They are fanatics, extremists who uses some words of the Coran to extrapolate wrong ideas. This could be done with any book and any religion (the Bible or the Torah for example).
Their main goal is to tarnish muslims reputation all over the world by attacking them directly. This way, it divides countries and muslims feel rejected.. and join them !!
If you start to mix real muslims with ISIS, you play their game. They only want chaos. They know they don't have the man power and financial power to face occidental countries, so they try to divide them, to scare their people by attacking them directly (and not their army).
Everybody needs to think bigger, to stay united. We must keep living normaly as we always did. We must NOT fall into fear, and we must not reject muslims. Same book Doesn't help that the vast majority of silent muslims actually agree with the extremists Muslims tarnish there own reputation when they come over to a new country say the UK then demand sharia law or start up **** gangs which only attack white girls which has happened far too much and nothing is said yet again because of the fear of being called racist. If we reject muslims then attacks like this cannot happen because attacks like this are carried out by muslims so if no muslims then no attacks, the west is far too welcoming you wont get saudi arabia opening there arms to christians, they dont even allow churches to be built yet in the west we keep opening mosques like supermarkets. While you will say its only a small % of the muslim population there is over 1 billion of them, 10% which openly agree with ISIS is 100 million let alone how mnay silently agree with them. It is only going to get worse if you ignore the problem Gotta say I agree with takahiro..on this
Well of course ignorant racists are going to agree.
Pretty sure you would find yourself in solid agreement with Klansman and Neonazis as well on this one.
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Mortedeamor wrote:my bf is taking me with him ona business trip to Tehran next year..in February i believe i will be over there with him for a month ..he has directed me that i am not allowed to leave the embassy without an escort of marines ..and even so when i do leave i have to wear the appropriate clothing to hide my body and face lol the only reason im going is because i really dont want him to be there alone for a month i will enjoy the chance to exp such a medieval culture he told me it will be like stepping into a time machine to the 1200s
Holy crap.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=women+in+tehran&client=tablet-android-acer&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIp4iS9ZuVyQIVx2weCh0QxwLr&biw=1024&bih=600
Do you see a lot of veiled women?
Oh, you meant Saudi Arabia, our bloody ally.
Maybe you should learn who is on whose side.
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
At least with china towns i dont have to worry about getting bombed if i go to see a concert.
Yonger and younger these terrorists become, they are already the next generation in line and with the world and technology you can spread propaganda even quicker, it wont die in time while technology is so simple and easy to use, it is not the time of the pigeon and mail.
Progress has never been faster, jihadis can jihad faster and recruit quicker than ever before and it will get worse before it gets better that is if it does get better.
Such racism and ignorance. Much wow. Your worse talking politics than pretending your a good tanker. ^^^ So much racism and bullsh.t is terrifying. It's because of thoughts like yours that IS does terrorist attacks. So that you start fearing muslims and reject them thinking they are all terrorists. You need to be educated, to read more, so you can maybe be less ignorant. Muslim is not a race, it is used to describe people who follow Islam and that can be anyone of any colour or race. Go back to school yourself. The west has been more than welcoming to muslims in general, building mosques and non discriminatory laws but go to a muslim country as a christian say and you will be looked down upon, there is no christian churches for you to go and pray in saudia arabia for example who are funding IS. The ME are pretty unwelcoming to outsiders where as the west welcomes you with open arms no matter who you are hence how a terrorist got in under the refugee disguise within a month from getting off the boat. Ignorance is what the EU is doing now, no immigration checks, no background checks, nothing and the french preople paid the price in blood. Instead of telling us to be more toloerant how about you book a one way trip to any ME country and preach over there?
So because the West allied with a theocracy that is barbaric the rest of Islam is radical as well?
Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine and Oman all have churches. I was in them.
Maybe you are the one who needs to take a trip to the Middle East so you can actually see. Although, for a bigot, I can understand your reluctance.
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Mortedeamor wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Ever heard of the christian Inquisition in the middle ages ? These christian were killing and torturing every people they judged infidel. Where does the bible say that killing and torturing is part of the religion??? And still they did!
It's EXACTLY the same thing here. In order to get more power, leaders of IS used the muslim religion to build an Inquisition-like order. Punishing those who don't think the same as them.
Were all the christian inquistor? No. Are all the muslims terrorists? Of course not. and when was the last inquisition ohb right hundreds of years ago and when was the last time muslims slaughtered in the name of their religion oh right they do that every day if Christians were going around slaughtering innocents and committing genocide they would be just as hated look at what they did to the poor yazidis...practically committed genocide
Bush II called the Iraq war a crusade.
As a devout Christian, should we not take him at his word?
Considering that holy war brought massive human rights violations, along with the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad, how should Muslims view that war? Do you think they were happy about it?
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Mortedeamor wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Ever heard of the christian Inquisition in the middle ages ? These christian were killing and torturing every people they judged infidel. Where does the bible say that killing and torturing is part of the religion??? And still they did!
It's EXACTLY the same thing here. In order to get more power, leaders of IS used the muslim religion to build an Inquisition-like order. Punishing those who don't think the same as them.
Were all the christian inquistor? No. Are all the muslims terrorists? Of course not. and when was the last inquisition ohb right hundreds of years ago and when was the last time muslims slaughtered in the name of their religion oh right they do that every day if Christians were going around slaughtering innocents and committing genocide they would be just as hated look at what they did to the poor yazidis...practically committed genocide How couldn't you understand my point ? oh i got your point my point is that even the bloody Christians have moved beyond this kind of barbarism meanwhile muslims havnt trust me i know of the atrocities committed in the name of god by Christians i know first hand what a zealot can do. i have scars to show for it ..but in mass they truly have moved past this sure there are zealots here and there but not like it used to be...nothing like it used to be..
Less than 10 years ago the West was torturing people, and blowing up wedding parties.
To say Christians have moved past barbarism is completely false.
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Breakin Stuff wrote:]
And you "imperialist" BS was a stalinist propaganda bit created to vilify the US based on a manifest destiny policy that had been abandoned by the time referring to americans as imperialist came into fashion.
So feel free to drop the one-sided presentation, unless you are willing to outright say that ecause those people were french means they deserve death or that the acts we are discussing weren't at all reprehensible and take that opposition track openly, feel free not to imply that this murder spree was somehow justified.
Since the definition of imperialism is extending a countries power or influence by diplomacy or force, America qualifies. It is not propaganda to point out that the Iraq war was a war of aggression, waged in spite of international law, and as such was a war crime. You can disagree as much as you like, but that is a fact. I won't bore you with a massive list of imperial acts, but suffice to say that the trail of bodies and deposed leaders the U.S. has left around the world carries the stench of empire far and wide.
Finally, at no point did I say the attacks were justified. In fact I said the opposite. However, the largest argument I have been fighting against is the idea that Muslims are somehow inherently violent. That narrow worldview, ignorant of the things we have done to radicalize them is what causes things like what we have seen since the attacks.
We had an arson at a mosque, Muslim women getting attacked in broad daylight dropping picking their kids up from school, and some nutbar promising to kill one Muslim a week.
Now, of course these people are edge cases, and not indicative of our culture, but systemic ignorance makes it all too easy to convince people that the Other is the problem, we are the good guys and the hate us just because, which leads to innocent people getting hurt.
There is a distinction between saying something was justified and saying why it happened. Without even trying to discern the why we will be bound to continue forward.
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