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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:49:00 -
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viper xsniper wrote:i dont understand how some people think they are smart and using tactics when there bombig/shooting innocent people thats just wrong normal people in france wouldnt have a gun cause of course there illegal but yh id like to pay my respects to the peoples familys and the injured people there i know 2 dust players one being sequel rise but also members of my family that could have easily bein killed/injured nd sequel i hope 2 c u soon!
It is not tactics, there is nothing tactical when you start shooting civilists.
It is just act of cowardice, nothing else.
"Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."
One Scavenging Survivalist
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viper xsniper
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:50:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:viper xsniper wrote:i dont understand how some people think they are smart and using tactics when there bombig/shooting innocent people thats just wrong normal people in france wouldnt have a gun cause of course there illegal but yh id like to pay my respects to the peoples familys and the injured people there i know 2 dust players one being sequel rise but also members of my family that could have easily bein killed/injured nd sequel i hope 2 c u soon! It is not tactics, there is nothing tactical when you start shooting civilists. It is just act of cowardice, nothing else.
yes wat i said at the start of that paragraph
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
377
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:51:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people.
Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not?
Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago?
This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events.
This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding.
Here, as in all things, I don't give a merry sh*t what you think. Justify things all you like, but that doesn't change a damn thing. You can armchair history and say yhe murder of civilians in this particular manner is justified. I will be cheering for the guys who are sent to torch the bastards who masterminded it. And bluntly the middle east doesn't need western help to oppress itself. They're doing it just fine on their own in the areas that suffer this crap daily.
Typical imperial American thinking.
You ignore history at your peril.
If you can't see the direct line from WWI to today, then I think you should take up the issue with the teachers who failed you.
Do you think the victims of imperial policy forget their suffering?
Do you think the leaders of DAESH forgot being tortured in Abu Ghraib? Or having their country destroyed by coalition forces? Or watching as the Coalition stood on the sidelines while ethnic cleansing was going on in Baghdad?
They do not forget our sides crimes, and we would do well to remember them, so as to properly judge our enemy.
You cannot fight an enemy if you assign them arbitrary traits and attempt to make them comic villians.
The only place for ignorance in these matters is for martyrs.
Finally, I did not say it was justified. Any attack on civilians is reprehensible. However, to forget that our side has been inflicting civilians casualties, overthrowing governments and supporting some of the most vile regimes in that region for almost a century is not acceptable.
Your ignorance stains any argument you make. How can someone who cannot recognize the effects of sykes picot today pretend they know what they are talking about?
American schools at work people.
The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first?
The French won't do crap. You can't defeat an insurgency through war when the force has the support of the populous.
The French have already been beaten by Guerillas in the six years war, the French Intervention of M+¬xico, Napoleon's Invasion of Russia, the Haitian Revolution... Hell the term Guerilla is the Spanish word for the bands that attacked Napoleon's troops.
Short of annihilating everyone in the area bombing those people isn't going to do anything but speed up the evolution of their tactics and strategy. Evolution works of course in warfare, and the most reckless commanders and soldiers die off while in general the elite survive and pass on their knowledge which is refined with each successive generation of troops and commanders. The same happened in the Indochinan Wars and the Soviet Intervention of the Middle East.
No, any peace there won't be through the bayonet.
Put your flags up in the sky.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:53:00 -
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Im everytime interested why these "heroes" cannot attack some fully armed battalion.
But their acts speaks for itselves.
"Dear Santa i want jackknife pick."
One Scavenging Survivalist
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
12
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Posted - 2015.11.15 04:00:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:
Your ignorance stains any argument you make. How can someone who cannot recognize the effects of sykes picot today pretend they know what they are talking about?
American schools at work people.
I'm well aware of this crap. Guess what? We mustall live with the mistakes of our forebears.
But your high horse and imperialist BS is old, it's tired, it's propagandist BS on the same vein as telling children that europe is full of people who don't understand freedom.
Get off your high horse. You're not making points anyone is really interested in. I am not a backwoods hick that buys every BS thing I'm spoon fed.
I am concerned with the here and now.
Lamenting past mistakes of government officials is hardly something i find constructive. I display my displeasure by helping vote the bastards out.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.11.15 04:08:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:viper xsniper wrote:i dont understand how some people think they are smart and using tactics when there bombig/shooting innocent people thats just wrong normal people in france wouldnt have a gun cause of course there illegal but yh id like to pay my respects to the peoples familys and the injured people there i know 2 dust players one being sequel rise but also members of my family that could have easily bein killed/injured nd sequel i hope 2 c u soon! It is not tactics, there is nothing tactical when you start shooting civilists. It is just act of cowardice, nothing else.
It actually is a legitimate tactic. Killing people is often used to demoralize the enemy in hope that they will give up. It was the basis of the bombing campaigns of WWII(Dresden) and was the reason for dropping both atomic bombs on Japan. It was used again by coalition forces against Iraq in the Second Gulf War(The Shock and Awe Campaign). It was used earlier by the U.S and South Vietnamese militaries against North Vietnam on Search and Destroy Missions who's success was measured soley by body count.
There's a reason that Terrorist's use terror and it's because they want the Western World to 'quit' the Middle East. Just like the U.S quit Vietnam after the public outrage over the Tet Offensive. It was a campaign that resulted in military failure for North Vietnamese and basically amputated the Vietcong, but the media spun it as so violent that America quit.
That's why they terrorize the Western World.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.11.15 04:24:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:viper xsniper wrote:i dont understand how some people think they are smart and using tactics when there bombig/shooting innocent people thats just wrong normal people in france wouldnt have a gun cause of course there illegal but yh id like to pay my respects to the peoples familys and the injured people there i know 2 dust players one being sequel rise but also members of my family that could have easily bein killed/injured nd sequel i hope 2 c u soon! It is not tactics, there is nothing tactical when you start shooting civilists. It is just act of cowardice, nothing else. It actually is a legitimate tactic. Killing people is often used to demoralize the enemy in hope that they will give up. It was the basis of the bombing campaigns of WWII(Dresden) and was the reason for dropping both atomic bombs on Japan. It was used again by coalition forces against Iraq in the Second Gulf War(The Shock and Awe Campaign). It was used earlier by the U.S and South Vietnamese militaries against North Vietnam on Search and Destroy Missions who's success was measured soley by body count. There's a reason that Terrorist's use terror and it's because they want the Western World to 'quit' the Middle East. Just like the U.S quit Vietnam after the public outrage over the Tet Offensive. It was a campaign that resulted in military failure for North Vietnamese and basically amputated the Vietcong, but the media spun it as so violent that America quit. That's why they terrorize the Western World.
Sorry but i see tactics like usefull strategy in war confrontation between two armies.
And to be honest killing people in their own country will make everyone just more furious and supportive, than giving up.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.11.15 04:29:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:viper xsniper wrote:i dont understand how some people think they are smart and using tactics when there bombig/shooting innocent people thats just wrong normal people in france wouldnt have a gun cause of course there illegal but yh id like to pay my respects to the peoples familys and the injured people there i know 2 dust players one being sequel rise but also members of my family that could have easily bein killed/injured nd sequel i hope 2 c u soon! It is not tactics, there is nothing tactical when you start shooting civilists. It is just act of cowardice, nothing else. It actually is a legitimate tactic. Killing people is often used to demoralize the enemy in hope that they will give up. It was the basis of the bombing campaigns of WWII(Dresden) and was the reason for dropping both atomic bombs on Japan. It was used again by coalition forces against Iraq in the Second Gulf War(The Shock and Awe Campaign). It was used earlier by the U.S and South Vietnamese militaries against North Vietnam on Search and Destroy Missions who's success was measured soley by body count. There's a reason that Terrorist's use terror and it's because they want the Western World to 'quit' the Middle East. Just like the U.S quit Vietnam after the public outrage over the Tet Offensive. It was a campaign that resulted in military failure for North Vietnamese and basically amputated the Vietcong, but the media spun it as so violent that America quit. That's why they terrorize the Western World. Sorry but i see tactics like usefull strategy in war confrontation between two armies. And to be honest killing people in their own country will make everyone just more furious and supportive, than giving up.
When a force is outnumbered literally, monetarily and in terms of weaponry there are few options on the table. It doesn't make them right, but they are there.
Also, it could make Western Europe give up in the long term. If they wage total war in the Middle East again they won't be able to sustain it for long before the casualties of their own troops and the increase of taxes will make the public force their governments to give up for good.
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Show the world where you're from.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
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Posted - 2015.11.15 07:37:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Golden Day wrote:I hope there is a world war 3 it will speed up technology progression so we have more ways to kill people!
laser rifles anyone? This isn't the time nor the place for such a comment. And this thread isn't dust related ,your point?
Point is this is talking about a real life tragedy you twit. People are really hurt and dead over this and your comment celebrating the prospect of more death and violence reads like an angsty 12 yearold who wants to look like a badass to his friend. Please grow up, or if you insist on celebrating the prospect of death violence and war in the context of the aftermath of a large terrorist attack, slit your wrists please, then maybe you will get your fill of bloodshed. DO YOU GET IT YOU TWIT? ITS FUNNY BECAUSE VIOLENCE HAW HAW HAW.
you ever get to that point where you know you should sleep, but ya just...dont? yeah...me too.
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Alena Ventrallis
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.15 09:04:00 -
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It's days like this that I really, really want to re enlist.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.11.15 09:11:00 -
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viper xsniper wrote:i dont understand how some people think they are smart and using tactics when there bombig/shooting innocent people thats just wrong normal people in france wouldnt have a gun cause of course there illegal but yh id like to pay my respects to the peoples familys and the injured people there i know 2 dust players one being sequel rise but also members of my family that could have easily bein killed/injured nd sequel i hope 2 c u soon!
Thanks bro <3
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JEDI LORD HOTH
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Posted - 2015.11.15 12:07:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first? I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people. Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not? Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago? This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events. This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding.
**** you and **** Labia-don! Bombings are like an Olyimpic sport there Mr. Snowden wannabe.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.11.15 12:27:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first? I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people. Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not? Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago? This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events. This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding. are we supposed to be outraged over murders in Lebanon? vs murders in France...is like comparing apples to oranges lol also Lebanon is kinda in the middle of a **** storm death there is expected is tragic the loss of 60 lives is very tragic but the higher reaction to lives lost in France is completely understandable in my opinion France has been an ally to the us..since it was founded ..they are our oldest and closest ally our dearest friend higher levels of outrage are completely understandable for me the outrage is personal i knew some of the dead in France i knew no one in Lebanon Your friend who died is worth just as much as a Lebanese or any other type of civilian. Not more though. Beyond that, control yourself, and your emotions. We all lose people. It is nothing new. Handle yourself appropriately, instead of calling for nuclear war because you don't know how to deal with unpleasant feelings. As long as this blatant double standard exists where Western lives are somehow more valuable, then more of this stuff will keep going on. Although considering that DAESH only exists because of the Iraqi war, this is kind of a you break it, you bought it type of situation. Not that anyone will be thinking that way right now in all the patriotic fervour, but it is factually correct. I really pity the thousands more middle eastern civilians who are going to die because of the escalation this will bring.
oh please its hardly a double standard and France isnt the western world to me lol im in america i never said his life was technically worth more than theirs i said it was worth more to me
is one thing to watch a bunch of Muslims killing a bunch of other Muslims none of who you know its another thing to lose loved ones ..pretty obvious why the later means more to me
besides that there is a reason i despise Muslims and its got nothing to do with american media because i dont watch or read american media it has to do with me finding them abhorrent ..mostly due to female genitalia mutilation and the outright sexism of all the men..i mean cant tell you how many arabs ask me per day(average of 5) to move to the middle east and be one of their wives lol
besides that a large portion of Muslims would see people like me dead...so sue me for not caring about their lives im hardly gunna be the bigger person when it comes to this lol they want people like me dead i want people like them dead its that simple
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.11.15 12:37:00 -
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Some of the arguments here are like stupid.
It's like Japanese people seeking for revenge because of WWII facts-
I guess we're not safe here in Italy then: I heard people are raising an army in Tunisia because, you know, we destroyed Carthage a "while" back and never gave them the status of "cives". Today's people must be very angry for that reason.
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.11.15 12:47:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Some of the arguments here are like stupid.
It's like Japanese people seeking for revenge because of WWII facts-
I guess we're not safe here in Italy then: I heard people are raising an army in Tunisia because, you know, we destroyed Carthage a "while" back and never gave them the status of "cives". Today's people must be very angry for that reason.
omg u just made my morning
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ANON Cerberus
TerranProtossZerg
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Posted - 2015.11.15 13:37:00 -
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I do not mean to be insensitive but this will not end unless we do something drastically different with foreign policy as western nations.
We are indirectly responsible for this mess. A good idea would be to STOP SENDING WEAPONS to the middle east PERIOD! Not to any 'moderates' or anyone else.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
377
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Posted - 2015.11.15 14:56:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:General Mosquito wrote:
Your ignorance stains any argument you make. How can someone who cannot recognize the effects of sykes picot today pretend they know what they are talking about?
American schools at work people.
I'm well aware of this crap. Guess what? We mustall live with the mistakes of our forebears. But your high horse and imperialist BS is old, it's tired, it's propagandist BS on the same vein as telling children that europe is full of people who don't understand freedom. Get off your high horse. You're not making points anyone is really interested in. I am not a backwoods hick that buys every BS thing I'm spoon fed. I am concerned with the here and now. Lamenting past mistakes of government officials is hardly something i find constructive. I display my displeasure by helping vote the bastards out.
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
This over aggressive hyper violent reactionary orgy of feeling is shameful. It is almost as disgusting as the terrorists power March after Hebdo.
The societal over reaction to 9/11 allowed for the Iraq war, which was the genesis of DAESH. The people in this thread should at least be aware of that fact before they run around calling for more violence.
That you think stating unpleasant truths is propagandist is unfortunate, but the facts on the ground are not going to change because you don't like them.
In fact, you are much, much worse of a human being if you are not ignorant of these facts. It would be somewhat understandable if you were unaware of the historical facts surrounding the matter. That you claim to not be ignorant of these facts and are still being overly militaristic shows that you are far worse than someone who was generally ignorant of how we got to here, even just using the last 13 years as a guidepost.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 15:02:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:I do not mean to be insensitive but this will not end unless we do something drastically different with foreign policy as western nations.
We are indirectly responsible for this mess. A good idea would be to STOP SENDING WEAPONS to the middle east PERIOD! Not to any 'moderates' or anyone else.
I feel so bad for Parisian families. They had had a lot to endure the last few years especially.
Foreign policy as a whole by western nations is crap.
The west are always messing about in the middle east, mainly because Isreal is stuck there surrounded and they are considered an ally of the west but also the west like to poke around and destabilize things like Libya and Syria where we take a side and bomb things and supply the enemy because the enemy of my enemy is my friend when it actually turns out they are another enemy and we have no friends.
Really the west should just pull out completely, but to an extent that oil leash is still around the west neck but maybe not for too long, maybe a ultimatium of somekind like both sides stop ******* about in each others backyard and leave each other alone but if anyone bombs anyone else or there allies then they get turned into the biggest parklot which can be seen from space.
If the middle east has a massive war between themseleves the west stay out completely, no aid no refugees nothing they sort that out themselves, cut contact completely i think is the only way because everytime the west intervene even if it is to help down the road they complain.
Middle east has countries which are either dictorships or dictorships and they only seem to respond to brute force because sanctions are useless and diplomacy is pointless when they say one thing and think something else so maybe the fear that the US and its allies would gear up the warmachine and hammer them back to the stone age may work because nothing else has.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
377
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Posted - 2015.11.15 15:03:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Some of the arguments here are like stupid.
It's like Japanese people seeking for revenge because of WWII facts-
I guess we're not safe here in Italy then: I heard people are raising an army in Tunisia because, you know, we destroyed Carthage a "while" back and never gave them the status of "cives". Today's people must be very angry for that reason.
Iraq got destroyed with the last 15 years, and troops are still on the ground. This is not deep past.
Americans were torturing DAESH members less than 10 years ago. They supervised the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad less than 10 years ago. The majority of DAESH leadership comes from Saddams army, which Bremer disbanded after the invasion.
These things matter. DAESH doesn't exist becuase Muslims hate freedom. It exists because rampaging across a country, randomly arresting and torturing people, then firing them from their jobs and standing back while death squads kill 60 plus people a day tends to make people angry.
This is living memory, or it should be. Even though the attack that DAESH does commit or assuredly crimes, not understanding how they came to be will only create more like them.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
377
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Posted - 2015.11.15 15:16:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first? I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people. Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not? Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago? This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events. This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding. are we supposed to be outraged over murders in Lebanon? vs murders in France...is like comparing apples to oranges lol also Lebanon is kinda in the middle of a **** storm death there is expected is tragic the loss of 60 lives is very tragic but the higher reaction to lives lost in France is completely understandable in my opinion France has been an ally to the us..since it was founded ..they are our oldest and closest ally our dearest friend higher levels of outrage are completely understandable for me the outrage is personal i knew some of the dead in France i knew no one in Lebanon Your friend who died is worth just as much as a Lebanese or any other type of civilian. Not more though. Beyond that, control yourself, and your emotions. We all lose people. It is nothing new. Handle yourself appropriately, instead of calling for nuclear war because you don't know how to deal with unpleasant feelings. As long as this blatant double standard exists where Western lives are somehow more valuable, then more of this stuff will keep going on. Although considering that DAESH only exists because of the Iraqi war, this is kind of a you break it, you bought it type of situation. Not that anyone will be thinking that way right now in all the patriotic fervour, but it is factually correct. I really pity the thousands more middle eastern civilians who are going to die because of the escalation this will bring. oh please its hardly a double standard and France isnt the western world to me lol im in america i never said his life was technically worth more than theirs i said it was worth more to me is one thing to watch a bunch of Muslims killing a bunch of other Muslims none of who you know its another thing to lose loved ones ..pretty obvious why the later means more to me besides that there is a reason i despise Muslims and its got nothing to do with american media because i dont watch or read american media it has to do with me finding them abhorrent ..mostly due to female genitalia mutilation and the outright sexism of all the men..i mean cant tell you how many arabs ask me per day(average of 5) to move to the middle east and be one of their wives lol besides that a large portion of Muslims would see people like me dead...so sue me for not caring about their lives im hardly gunna be the bigger person when it comes to this lol they want people like me dead i want people like them dead its that simple
Wow. So you despise a whole group of people because of the actions of a few. Way to be bigoted.
Although, your post contains a fundamental contradiction. If a large portion of Muslims want you dead, why would 5 a day ask you to be one of their wives?
Now, take your I suffered a personal loss and I demand vengeance mindset, and transpose it onto a brown person who succeeded more than just losing a friend. If your call for vengeance should be followed, does there own claim for such not bear equal or greater weight?
To be clear, I say that you are both wrong, and in neither case in violence for the sake of revenge justified. But I wonder if you think that they have cause or not. If the West has the right to use military force in response to criminal acts, then surely their victims do?
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Boykos boykos
The survivors told:"They had flawless french."
Ergo they were in France already, possibly even studied there.
Even the police told this is work of someone who knows area and made long time observation.
Ergo
That was not work of someone who just arived to EU.
There was actually one really sad story.
There was one doctor, he is originaly tunisian chirurg who lives with wife and daughter in France many years.
After his family heard gunshots they looked from ablcony and saw injured people.
His wife told him:"You must go outside and help them."
Do you know what he told her?
"I dont want, im tunisian and i basicaly dont have any batch or ID to prove im doctor."
Honestly i will be scared too, it is really thin line.
People can have respect from you but they can lynch you too.
And we all know what we can do when we are scared, angry etc. has also been reported that several of the 8 were Syrian refugees ....those refugees are dangerous we have no idea how many extremists are hiding in their ranks Just one had syrian passport and honestly it is not mean anything. He can be one of the few last waves, but he can be even just on syrian who arived long long time ago. I want be objective here, honestly i do not believe that someone who just arive will have perfect location knowledge. I see biggest possibilty these mongrels were already for some time in the France. I dont advocate them, but when i will know i will know. And what i know right now is that was just hideous act of cowardice, because if they have issue with army forces attacking their nonsence, they should attack army not inocent people. Reports coming in. He had a syrian passport A greek minister admited that they had proccessed him as a refugee in october Even 2 weeks is enough to learn the location of what you will attack, 1 week will do.
Get an advance team staying in-country for a while, they do the surveillance, then you have the team that will do the deed come in, show them what's around, and how to get their mission done.
That recon team is probably still around somewhere.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 20:42:00 -
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i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them...
it doesnt matter if all of them are terrible people because i cant distinguish the good ones from the bad ones ie they are all bad is a safer approach ide rather be a bigot and have them all tossed out and treated the same than try to be a kink person and have terrorists slip through my fingers
look at what not being a bigot got france? they accepted that there are good msulims let them into thier country and not the bad muslims are burning thier country down ...if they were more biggoted that wouldn't have happened because they wouldn't have let the muslims in...because it would be to high a risk
our humanity fucks us when it comes to the muslims you try to be good the the ones that deserve it it leaves and opening for terrorism...you try to preserve civilian life your seen as weak..brutality is what they know brutality is what they should be shown
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Posted - 2015.11.15 21:04:00 -
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French fighter bombers already dropped cca 20 bombs on Raqqa
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Mortedeamor
The Black Masquerade
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Posted - 2015.11.15 21:17:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:French fighter bombers already dropped cca 20 bombs on Raqqa
(it is funny how someone told here yesterday how france will do nothing)
i knew they would do something this is france we are talking about they are as proactive as the usa one measly terrorist attack will do nothing but incite them to hit harder as we predicted
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Mortedeamor wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:French fighter bombers already dropped cca 20 bombs on Raqqa
(it is funny how someone told here yesterday how france will do nothing) i knew they would do something this is france we are talking about they are as proactive as the usa one measly terrorist attack will do nothing but incite them to hit harder as we predicted
US will do something, they just do not want be in hurry like before.
They waiting for full support of GB and France
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Niarudi
Company of Marcher Lords
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Posted - 2015.11.15 21:23:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them...
Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance?
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2015.11.15 21:30:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:French fighter bombers already dropped cca 20 bombs on Raqqa
(it is funny how someone told here yesterday how france will do nothing) i knew they would do something this is france we are talking about they are as proactive as the usa one measly terrorist attack will do nothing but incite them to hit harder as we predicted US will do something, they just do not want be in hurry like before. They waiting for full support of GB and France
mmhmm yeah we are kinda seen as warmongers on this one i imagine we will wait and jump in where needed but definitley not be the first one to start hitting hard..will prolly just follow suit now that france has opened the gate
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Posted - 2015.11.15 21:34:00 -
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Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them... Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance?
no im just that ******* practical
sometimes i guess i can be cruel
but my bf is military he has served in Afghanistan and iraq and ive heard enough horror stories
it is impossible to sort through them...and trying to do so is going to and has cost us ...
i have some pretty bad ptsd i go to a support group of veterans and listen to their stories i have always felt honored that they allow me to come i am not a veteran i simply have ptsd but after listening to story after story i have started seeing it in this black and white fashion we cant sort them
there is just no way to do it and trying to do is has cost a lot of lives
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Posted - 2015.11.15 21:54:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Niarudi wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i havnt the foggiest idea why they ask me to marry them considering i find it insulting that they think ide even consider it ..as for me being a bigot i can accept that when it comes to muslims i just flat out dont like them,,,.im not saying they are all terrorists ...im saying idc if they are or not i stopped standing up for the innocent muslims when i started losing people i love due to the inability to sort through them... Did you serve in Iraq or Afghanistan by any chance? no im just that ******* practical sometimes i guess i can be cruel but my bf is military he has served in Afghanistan and iraq and ive heard enough horror stories it is impossible to sort through them...and trying to do so is going to and has cost us ...
hmmm... ok. I'm only asking because I'm trying to understand where you would be in a situation where you would have Muslim men ask for your marriage (most likely jokingly) AND also see so many radicals that you would be unable (or unwilling) to know the difference between radicals and everyone else.
anecdotal evidence is really only that. anecdotal. I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience. Hopefully one day you'll be able to move past that. To show you how a person's viewpoint can be completely relative, my own experiences with Muslim men have been really good so far. I have only known 1 jerk, and only one situation where I would say I was uncomfortable with the topic of conversation (he was telling me how nice it was to have wide hips because it's good for child-birth). But that is by far the exception. One of the nicest men I have ever met (a good father and family man) was Muslim and I loved talking to him and felt safe knowing he was a Security Guard where I worked.
On another note, I have felt more hatred and racism from White men, but it would be really ignorant of me to assume that all White men are like this (or that all White men are like Americans, or Germans, or French etc).
I feel really heartbroken for France. But the evil people behind this attack are not "Muslims", it is Isis and they are an incredibly dangerous, incredibly delusional splinter group using Islam and rage to fool people into fighting for them. Isis claim to be Muslim but they don't care. They kill Muslims, Christians, Jews, and everyone else, all for their own agenda.
Also, I hope your ptsd eventually gets treated or at least becomes manageable. That's something that's really hard to live with, and even harder to explain to other people. I'm sorry.
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