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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:31:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Golden Day wrote:I hope there is a world war 3 it will speed up technology progression so we have more ways to kill people!
laser rifles anyone? This isn't the time nor the place for such a comment. And this thread isn't dust related ,your point?
We need to wait a few generations so that there's nobody that was there.
It's the same reason people can joke about ancient wars where thousands die, but you are considered a psycho if you joke about recent events. It's all relative.
I doubt many would get offended if you made a joke about Sherman's march to the sea- you are considered edgy. Though, heaven forbid you make an ironic pass at either Gulf War.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first?
The French won't do crap. You can't defeat an insurgency through war when the force has the support of the populous.
The French have already been beaten by Guerillas in the six years war, the French Intervention of M+¬xico, Napoleon's Invasion of Russia, the Haitian Revolution... Hell the term Guerilla is the Spanish word for the bands that attacked Napoleon's troops.
Short of annihilating everyone in the area bombing those people isn't going to do anything but speed up the evolution of their tactics and strategy. Evolution works of course in warfare, and the most reckless commanders and soldiers die off while in general the elite survive and pass on their knowledge which is refined with each successive generation of troops and commanders. The same happened in the Indochinan Wars and the Soviet Intervention of the Middle East.
No, any peace there won't be through the bayonet.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 04:08:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:viper xsniper wrote:i dont understand how some people think they are smart and using tactics when there bombig/shooting innocent people thats just wrong normal people in france wouldnt have a gun cause of course there illegal but yh id like to pay my respects to the peoples familys and the injured people there i know 2 dust players one being sequel rise but also members of my family that could have easily bein killed/injured nd sequel i hope 2 c u soon! It is not tactics, there is nothing tactical when you start shooting civilists. It is just act of cowardice, nothing else.
It actually is a legitimate tactic. Killing people is often used to demoralize the enemy in hope that they will give up. It was the basis of the bombing campaigns of WWII(Dresden) and was the reason for dropping both atomic bombs on Japan. It was used again by coalition forces against Iraq in the Second Gulf War(The Shock and Awe Campaign). It was used earlier by the U.S and South Vietnamese militaries against North Vietnam on Search and Destroy Missions who's success was measured soley by body count.
There's a reason that Terrorist's use terror and it's because they want the Western World to 'quit' the Middle East. Just like the U.S quit Vietnam after the public outrage over the Tet Offensive. It was a campaign that resulted in military failure for North Vietnamese and basically amputated the Vietcong, but the media spun it as so violent that America quit.
That's why they terrorize the Western World.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 04:29:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:viper xsniper wrote:i dont understand how some people think they are smart and using tactics when there bombig/shooting innocent people thats just wrong normal people in france wouldnt have a gun cause of course there illegal but yh id like to pay my respects to the peoples familys and the injured people there i know 2 dust players one being sequel rise but also members of my family that could have easily bein killed/injured nd sequel i hope 2 c u soon! It is not tactics, there is nothing tactical when you start shooting civilists. It is just act of cowardice, nothing else. It actually is a legitimate tactic. Killing people is often used to demoralize the enemy in hope that they will give up. It was the basis of the bombing campaigns of WWII(Dresden) and was the reason for dropping both atomic bombs on Japan. It was used again by coalition forces against Iraq in the Second Gulf War(The Shock and Awe Campaign). It was used earlier by the U.S and South Vietnamese militaries against North Vietnam on Search and Destroy Missions who's success was measured soley by body count. There's a reason that Terrorist's use terror and it's because they want the Western World to 'quit' the Middle East. Just like the U.S quit Vietnam after the public outrage over the Tet Offensive. It was a campaign that resulted in military failure for North Vietnamese and basically amputated the Vietcong, but the media spun it as so violent that America quit. That's why they terrorize the Western World. Sorry but i see tactics like usefull strategy in war confrontation between two armies. And to be honest killing people in their own country will make everyone just more furious and supportive, than giving up.
When a force is outnumbered literally, monetarily and in terms of weaponry there are few options on the table. It doesn't make them right, but they are there.
Also, it could make Western Europe give up in the long term. If they wage total war in the Middle East again they won't be able to sustain it for long before the casualties of their own troops and the increase of taxes will make the public force their governments to give up for good.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:18:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Honestly i do not see nuclear war like gross overreact, we already using warheads with uranium as aditive.
And i will be for few crushing strikes, than one neverending war.
Im really honest here.
They already used yperit, why we should wait for time when they will use something stronger near our borders.
It sets a bad precedent. Then every country will acquire nuclear weapons on the basis that they are protecting themselves from insurgents.
Also, the ongoing war isn't because the bombs aren't strong enough. Rather it's a fight against ideology based on body count.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:27:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
While you will say its only a small % of the muslim population there is over 1 billion of them, 10% which openly agree with ISIS is 100 million let alone how mnay silently agree with them.
It is only going to get worse if you ignore the problem
It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled.
How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:09:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
It will actually get better. When Southern and Eastern European people came to the U.S in the 19th and early 20th centuries people from the U.S reacted very violently and insisted that Europeans brought only their mafia criminality, dangerous Catholic religion and that they took all jobs from hard working Americans because they worked for less and were generally unskilled.
How History repeats itself. Then, after several decades those worries have disappeared.
No it wont, muslims fail to adapt and expect the target country to adapt to there way of life and they force it on the countries population in ways such as sharia law. In parts of the UK you would think it was iraq if it wasnt for the rain, hearing the call to prayer blasting out while tehy try to inflict sharia law on the local population.
Muslim havens in Europe are no different from China Towns and Italian/Irish/Jewish slums of America of the past. There were a surprising number of riots against these people in their respective sub communities by the majority population who were not first or second generation people.
You can say it won't get better, but you're wrong. It always has.
This isn't the first time Muslims have "invaded" Europe. Muslims came into Southern Spain and stayed their for centuries along with the Jews until they were forced out by the Catholic Church. Those who stayed became Catholic. Even now many Southern Spanish are of Arab decent.
People will always change, and there children will be a product of their environment. That's the way it is. It won't come as quick as anyone wants, but if you look at history you will see that progress is often slow. It may not happen in our lifetimes, but many things won't. In this age where technology and fashion moves so quickly we often forget that many things will simply refuse to yield to acceleration, and one of those things is ideology.
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:36:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
At least with china towns i dont have to worry about getting bombed if i go to see a concert.
Yonger and younger these terrorists become, they are already the next generation in line and with the world and technology you can spread propaganda even quicker, it wont die in time while technology is so simple and easy to use, it is not the time of the pigeon and mail.
Progress has never been faster, jihadis can jihad faster and recruit quicker than ever before and it will get worse before it gets better that is if it does get better.
You are thinking of modern China Towns which are the result of over 150 years of letting gangs die out. In the Wild West they actually brought in smiths to make them spears, battle axes, swords, daggers and shields. They were extremely violent in their inception.
How about the Jews and Italians? Mafias were the terrorists on the early 20th century. They were so bad the FBI had to be made.
Everything gets better with time. Also, ideologies tend to die out faster now that technology is so prevalent. It's not the Apocalypse. Trust me, things will eventually get better. As long as we stay out of it. The more we choose to bomb them the longer the fighting will go on.
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Posted - 2015.11.17 00:39:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Ever heard of the christian Inquisition in the middle ages ? These christian were killing and torturing every people they judged infidel. Where does the bible say that killing and torturing is part of the religion??? And still they did!
It's EXACTLY the same thing here. In order to get more power, leaders of IS used the muslim religion to build an Inquisition-like order. Punishing those who don't think the same as them.
Were all the christian inquistor? No. Are all the muslims terrorists? Of course not. and when was the last inquisition ohb right hundreds of years ago and when was the last time muslims slaughtered in the name of their religion oh right they do that every day if Christians were going around slaughtering innocents and committing genocide they would be just as hated look at what they did to the poor yazidis...practically committed genocide How couldn't you understand my point ? oh i got your point my point is that even the bloody Christians have moved beyond this kind of barbarism meanwhile muslims havnt trust me i know of the atrocities committed in the name of god by Christians i know first hand what a zealot can do. i have scars to show for it ..but in mass they truly have moved past this sure there are zealots here and there but not like it used to be...nothing like it used to be..
Actually Muslims were less cruel during the medieval age than in contemporary times.
The Jews were originally the most violent in antiquity, then the Christians during the medieval age and now the Muslims are finally having their radical chapter. It actually only sprang up recently during the Soviet War of Afghanistan. Ironically enough Osama Bin Laden was our ally at the time. The U.S invested a lot of money, intelligence and training into the Mujahideen.
So it's not really ancient practices that are failing to leave, but actually new ideologies emerging. Early Muslims didn't actually force people to convert, and actually preferred to tax people of other religions in order to fund their territorial expansion. The persecution of non Muslims is relatively new.
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