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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.14 02:23:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Golden Day wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:
They are not facing armed soldiers here. They are attacking defenseless crowds with bombs and AK-47. How's that not acting cowardly ?
Tactic-an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end. Pretty sure they planned it out and achieved a specific goal Using tactic doesn't mean you're not a coward. It's even worse. Coward-noun a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things. They had the courage to do dangerous and unpleasant things best thing to call them is monsters
Just shut up now.
People are dying.
This is not your time to soapboxes and try to point out the nuances of the english language, which includes meaning based on context, tone and inflection.
More importantly, these people are DEAD.
There is no courage in herding unarmed, scared civilians and executing them one by one like animals in a slaughterhouse.
So if you're not going to acknowledge the gravity of the acts, remove yourself from the discussion.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.14 02:35:00 -
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I think the EU should treat this as a military attack on european soil, and treat any captured terrorists as non-uniformed enemy combatant engaged in insurgency under the law of war, the Geneva convention and relevant treaties.
They need to stop treating terrorists as criminals and applying the designation of enemy combatant, not in uniform and react accordingly.
This is merely my opinion. I do NOT expect anyone to agree, or share it. Nor do i consider anyone who disagrees to be wrong.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.14 19:33:00 -
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ZED Regent wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i dont understand how they even pulled off this is the french civilian populace not armed>?
you would think there woulda been a few civis with guns at at least one of these sites...
isa travesty but i cant help but think if the civilian populace were armed it wouldnt have been so bad...muslim kicks down the door to my favorite bar screams some allah gibberish i pull my gun kill him and go back to my drink,..cause thats how americans do lol This is Europe... we do not have an arms tradition like in the US. We do not have an arms lobby group like the nra, and we have a strict regulation on arms. (speaking about Belgium) Due to these reasons we do not have shootings like in the US... But with these events... one might consider...
The idea of an oppressive group attempting to crush your civil liberties, insurgency and plain criminally minded bastards are the reason we have that arms tradition that some people hate and others take to idiotic absurdness.
Most people who genuinely fear the act stripping them of their civil liberties assume the government will do so. But we have a massive buffer of two oceans between us and extremist states and groups.
Government has traditionally been the oppressor historically. What we have now is terror tactics used to inspire otherwise liberty-minded (to a greater or lesser degree) governments to enforce islamic law upon non-islamic majority to protect that majority from violence.
But that is the goal of any terrorist organization. It's never just to kill people. It's to push the government to crack down on it's own people oppressively by law for security until the population rebels or they accept the rule of law demanded by the terrorists.
If the populace of a country does not have the will to endure and fight back, it will happen. Insurgency and terrorism are the new war faced by governments. The question is, what will be the breaking point, and do we want to see what happens when the first nation loses it's collective sh*t and decides to just turn the generals loose without civilians putting their fingers into the pie?
It's going to happen. Question is where the pot boils over first.
God help us when we find out.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.14 23:38:00 -
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The most successful tactics the insurgent groups utilize is aggressive local recruitment.
I'm willing to bet they plan this **** for years until they can go over it by the numbers in their sleep.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.15 00:58:00 -
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F*ck religious comparisons.
This is murder, an act forbidden by law.
Further, it is mass murder carried out in military fashion with intent to attack the fundamental rights and privileges enjoyed by the french.
In other times this would be declared an act of war.
It may have been done ostensibly for religious reasons. It may be the west is "reaping what it has sown."
These insurgent bastards are murderers. They are undeclared, un-uniformed enemy combatants on french soil. Screw the religious connotations, justifications and the bs.
An attack is an attack is an attack. Now the question is, will the french be the first to bring this sh*t to a screeching halt and actually take off the kid gloves?
All smartass jokes about the french at war aside, the french aren't lightweights when they don't have a sudden bumrush of ten tank divisions bombing across the country from a (theoretically) non-hostile neighbor.
If the french government acts, this isn't going to be a debate about christians versus muslims. It's going to be a sovereign nation retaliating against a rogue would-be nation fostering insurgency and murder within her borders.
It may be religious to the terrorists, but to the regular soldiers, it's just another fu**ing meatgrinder. It won't matter who the bad guys pray to at the end of the day.
Question remains: who says "screw it, no more playing nice" first?
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.15 01:44:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:
We can but we won't... I don't see that happening anytime soon, especially with the backlash the U.S got for bombing that hospital of Doctors Without Borders. Imagine now purposely bombing all of ISIS/Extremist held ground in the Middle East... They may be bad but there are still humans in that occupied area who can't get out. If we start releasing mass amounts of nukes in that area we will have more blood in our hands than they ever had. Congratulations you eliminated a terrorist organization and killed millions, another one will rise again with even more hatred.
Doctors without borders was a goddamn travesty.
However, I guarantee you that while the nerds immediately responsible for that show of cataclysmic stupid will probably burn, there will be no such concern should ISIS continue it's flagrant "war with the entire world" BS. I do not believe for an instant that ISIS would have treated the doctors in that camp any more gently than the shells that should not have hit them.
But realistically, nukes are not on the table. There are too many reasons not to do that. The only way that happens is if ISIS has one and they use it, or if any other rogue state has one and uses it. The consequences otherwise would be too dire for anyone to seriously consider.
I consider it far more likely that various governments might set the troops loose, and to the generals say "Don't tell us how you did it. Make them stop. now."
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.15 02:12:00 -
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there are no good answers here.
The moral high ground took a walk out behind the woodshed with a gun loaded with a single bullet, alone.
It's basically down to a couple questions:
Which countries will fight?
Which countries will capitulate?
This is what I am waiting to see.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.15 03:37:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:
I believe a century of domination and violence outweighs a couple of hundred french people.
Further, France already declared war by bombing DAESH, so blowback is to be expected is it not?
Where was your outrage and forum posting for the 60 people DAESH killed in Lebanon 3 days ago?
This false sanctimony on display is part of the reason why people dislike Westerners. The media has deeply conditioned your responses to events.
This complete willful ignorance of history, even when that history is extremely short term, is toxic to real understanding.
Here, as in all things, I don't give a merry sh*t what you think.
Justify things all you like, but that doesn't change a damn thing. You can armchair history and say yhe murder of civilians in this particular manner is justified.
I will be cheering for the guys who are sent to torch the bastards who masterminded it.
And bluntly the middle east doesn't need western help to oppress itself. They're doing it just fine on their own in the areas that suffer this crap daily.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.15 04:00:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:
Your ignorance stains any argument you make. How can someone who cannot recognize the effects of sykes picot today pretend they know what they are talking about?
American schools at work people.
I'm well aware of this crap. Guess what? We mustall live with the mistakes of our forebears.
But your high horse and imperialist BS is old, it's tired, it's propagandist BS on the same vein as telling children that europe is full of people who don't understand freedom.
Get off your high horse. You're not making points anyone is really interested in. I am not a backwoods hick that buys every BS thing I'm spoon fed.
I am concerned with the here and now.
Lamenting past mistakes of government officials is hardly something i find constructive. I display my displeasure by helping vote the bastards out.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.17 00:30:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:
Look at the various calls for nuclear war, which is a gross overreaction to the French taking a punch for a fight they started.
In fact, you are much, much worse of a human being if you are not ignorant of these facts. It would be somewhat understandable if you were unaware of the historical facts surrounding the matter. That you claim to not be ignorant of these facts and are still being overly militaristic shows that you are far worse than someone who was generally ignorant of how we got to here, even just using the last 13 years as a guidepost.
At no point have I called for nukes. I find the idea of them being on the table laughable until and unless someone actually USES one.
I'm not calling for the violence, I am predicting it. There is a difference. I am a student of action/consequence chains. What I see coming is not exactly anything I would wish upon anyone.
I merely state that insurgents, because they are being sponsored by a would-be foreign power that has had an open declaration of war against them should be treated as spies and insurgents under the accepted treaties and rule of law.
I'm not particularly eager for randomly dumping on random civilian populace. I may be a savage, but I am a disciplined and very focused one. The only people I wish torched are the men who planned, supported, knowingly supplied and pulled the trigger.
I am not a fan of incidental "because we can" retaliation which hits civilians and schools or anything else.
I simply believe that if the rage builds more and more that is exactly what will happen.
I am a pragmatist and a cynic, not a person who feels that "kill them all, God will know his own" is an acceptable course of action. I reserve that sh*t for online games where i can vent my aggression and play the villain without actually deliberately causing you physical, psychological or financial harm.
And you "imperialist" BS was a stalinist propaganda bit created to vilify the US based on a manifest destiny policy that had been abandoned by the time referring to americans as imperialist came into fashion.
You can claim i am this, or I am that, but you trying to put words and concepts in my mouth doesn't change who I am, what I believe or the fact that you foaming at the mouth and raging at me rather than engaging in debate sets the value of your commentary in my eyes to zero.
Because you believe it and you cry it does not make it fact or truth, any more than me doing the same dies so.
So feel free to drop the one-sided presentation, unless you are willing to outright say that ecause those people were french means they deserve death or that the acts we are discussing weren't at all reprehensible and take that opposition track openly, feel free not to imply that this murder spree was somehow justified.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.17 00:47:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:
oh i got your point my point is that even the bloody Christians have moved beyond this kind of barbarism meanwhile muslims havnt
trust me i know of the atrocities committed in the name of god by Christians i know first hand what a zealot can do. i have scars to show for it ..but in mass they truly have moved past this sure there are zealots here and there but not like it used to be...nothing like it used to be..
Oh don't be too quick on that. The mainstream may be out of the business but every group has extremist morons in the mix.
And let's be bluntly real, very clear here.
Most of the crusades were, from start to finish, concocted and executed to give landless noble sons the opportunity to sieze and conquer land. The ignorant peasants making up the foot soldiery were the ones duped into buying into that "holy war" BS.
The exception being the children's crusade, which was a tragedy of delusion and outright fanatic idiocy.
But the crusades had very little to do with God and everything to do with co nquest. Same as ISIS, same as any other murderous extremist group, God is how you get the ignorant plebes in line. It was always about control.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.11.17 23:26:00 -
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IVIaster LUKE wrote:
Just leave the Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, Methodists, Protestants, Jehovahs, and any other Christian sects that are NOT Catholic out of that blanket statement. Thanks. o7
Crusades pre-date those denominations, further, I am bout as interested in accepting responsibility for the actions of men who died before I was born as I am interested in hitting myself with a ball peen hammer in the nads.
Never mind the crusades which happened centuries ago ubder the word of people so long dead their names are preserved only in academia.
People who cite examples of long-dead idiocy as justification for current acts are pretty much idiots. The current generation are idiots if they do not learn and prevent, instead following in lockstep with those who came before.
I did not fight in the crusades. I did not persecute the native americans. I did not participate in slavery. I take and accept no responsibility for that sh*t.
I accept responsibility to do what i can to prevent that stupid, unnecessary crap from happening again. Because history does not need to be repeated. Because I choose to aim for better than the history. Can't change the past, but you can work on the future.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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