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KRUSTY Hellcrabs Thunderchiefs 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 05:31:00 - [121] - Quote Ok, but we have got to be able to play Warbarge Component Poker, in Merc Quarters. Just in time for Eve Vegas :)
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 225	Posted - 2015.10.21 05:38:00 - [122] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: I can't see this being anything more than step one. With the quantity of officer stuff already in circulation, this change is going to take a while to have it's effects felt. Oh I foresee it will dramatically change the player market. Of course, at this point the player market is 90% officer gear. I think that even if it doubled/tripled in price we'd still get the same people running it in pubs. There'll be a tipping point where it gets too expensive to run just to ensure a few extra points on the KD. No idea where that is, it's tied to the depth of the pubstars wallets. Something is killing new player retention.
Nestil Nos Nothi 373	Posted - 2015.10.21 07:50:00 - [123] - Quote Why not make officer gear craftable? I mean we have all the materials stocked.... Idk maybe you need then 1-2 exp weapons to create an officer weapon. The result depends on the combination of used crafting materials.... Edit: and now remove all the super crappy std/adv stuff from strongboxes... I hate getting quafe turrets or quafe LAV's or std tanks, glitched adv breach SMGs or other worthless crap. 'LR4-Trading' Protester
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 08:11:00 - [124] - Quote Nestil wrote: Why not make officer gear craftable? I mean we have all the materials stocked.... Idk maybe you need then 1-2 exp weapons to create an officer weapon. The result depends on the combination of used crafting materials.... Edit: and now remove all the super crappy std/adv stuff from strongboxes... I hate getting quafe turrets or quafe LAV's or std tanks, glitched adv breach SMGs or other worthless crap. glitched ADV breach smg's? Closed beta vet. ~~~!_~@-------THE~!!!)__SUN~!@(J)~((@RISES.~)(@#~!(~)~))(#~))()))))))__!
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 08:23:00 - [125] - Quote Wow, quick implementation! I see CCP have opted for the more drastic approach of removing officer gear from the lab entirely, rather than reducing the drop rate. Interesting. It will be nice to see more experimental gear, and less officer. It will take a while for officer stomping pubs to diminish I think.
jpmannu 116	Posted - 2015.10.21 09:21:00 - [126] - Quote Buying all Rattatis then .... xD PIJATELAINDERCHIUL
jpmannu 116	Posted - 2015.10.21 09:22:00 - [127] - Quote ...just hoping CCP staff are smart enough to increase the officer gear drop from strongboxes at least... PIJATELAINDERCHIUL
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 935	Posted - 2015.10.21 09:24:00 - [128] - Quote Now that the warbarge no longer produces officer dropsuits can we get experimental dropsuits? ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 09:29:00 - [129] - Quote Just posted this is one of th eothe rtopics but the optinion is still the same. Problem i have is that the game has now swung more in favor of a 'pay to win' system. The only place now to get a high chance of getting officer gear in by opening 10 boxes at once, sure you can get a key per day for free but someone who has an extra $50 a week/month will have access to more officer gear than those who just play for free. I think they should have just changed the drop rate of officer gear from the exp lab instead of removing officer altogether. if you have 2 items a day thats 14 items a week, if only 2-4 of those were officer it would greatly reduce the amount we see in game. It was a bit ridiculous before, i redeemed 4 items and all 4 were rattatis Gk.0's so it did need streamlining, just not completely removing Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
Lost Apollo Moose Knuckle Pros 156	Posted - 2015.10.21 10:14:00 - [130] - Quote You did the right thing CCP. No matter what, someone is going to cry. My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless. State 'Rasetsu' Assault Born - April 1, 2013

jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 10:58:00 - [131] - Quote Lost Apollo wrote: You did the right thing CCP. No matter what, someone is going to cry. officer gear was never a problem, if you get stomped, you would have been stomped anyways. all this does it makes it so you only rarely see it in pc's, or if it's a pure stomp. i VERY rarely see it in pubs anyways. Closed beta vet. ~~~!_~@-------THE~!!!)__SUN~!@(J)~((@RISES.~)(@#~!(~)~))(#~))()))))))__!
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 226	Posted - 2015.10.21 11:02:00 - [132] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Lost Apollo wrote: You did the right thing CCP. No matter what, someone is going to cry. officer gear was never a problem, if you get stomped, you would have been stomped anyways. all this does it makes it so you only rarely see it in pc's, or if it's a pure stomp. i VERY rarely see it in pubs anyways. Define very rarely. Something is killing new player retention.
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 935	Posted - 2015.10.21 11:06:00 - [133] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just posted this is one of th eothe rtopics but the optinion is still the same. Problem i have is that the game has now swung more in favor of a 'pay to win' system. The only place now to get a high chance of getting officer gear in by opening 10 boxes at once, sure you can get a key per day for free but someone who has an extra $50 a week/month will have access to more officer gear than those who just play for free. I think they should have just changed the drop rate of officer gear from the exp lab instead of removing officer altogether. if you have 2 items a day thats 14 items a week, if only 2-4 of those were officer it would greatly reduce the amount we see in game. It was a bit ridiculous before, i redeemed 4 items and all 4 were rattatis Gk.0's so it did need streamlining, just not completely removing But given there's player trading you could play more, earn isk and buy officer gear from another player Therefore not pay to win ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 11:13:00 - [134] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just posted this is one of th eothe rtopics but the optinion is still the same. Problem i have is that the game has now swung more in favor of a 'pay to win' system. The only place now to get a high chance of getting officer gear in by opening 10 boxes at once, sure you can get a key per day for free but someone who has an extra $50 a week/month will have access to more officer gear than those who just play for free. I think they should have just changed the drop rate of officer gear from the exp lab instead of removing officer altogether. if you have 2 items a day thats 14 items a week, if only 2-4 of those were officer it would greatly reduce the amount we see in game. It was a bit ridiculous before, i redeemed 4 items and all 4 were rattatis Gk.0's so it did need streamlining, just not completely removing But given there's player trading you could play more, earn isk and buy officer gear from another player Therefore not pay to win Doesn't change the fact that the person pouring money into the game is going be able to get more officer gear faster than the person who doesn't. Yes it's still available to others that don't have the money to spend, but the big spender would have the advantage that it is easier for them to obtain. Wanna play eve?
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 908	Posted - 2015.10.21 12:47:00 - [135] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just posted this is one of th eothe rtopics but the optinion is still the same. Problem i have is that the game has now swung more in favor of a 'pay to win' system. The only place now to get a high chance of getting officer gear in by opening 10 boxes at once, sure you can get a key per day for free but someone who has an extra $50 a week/month will have access to more officer gear than those who just play for free. I think they should have just changed the drop rate of officer gear from the exp lab instead of removing officer altogether. if you have 2 items a day thats 14 items a week, if only 2-4 of those were officer it would greatly reduce the amount we see in game. It was a bit ridiculous before, i redeemed 4 items and all 4 were rattatis Gk.0's so it did need streamlining, just not completely removing But given there's player trading you could play more, earn isk and buy officer gear from another player Therefore not pay to win Doesn't change the fact that the person pouring money into the game is going be able to get more officer gear faster than the person who doesn't. Yes it's still available to others that don't have the money to spend, but the big spender would have the advantage that it is easier for them to obtain. What happens when people stop spending aur though? Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.10.21 13:00:00 - [136] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Doesn't change the fact that the person pouring money into the game is going be able to get more officer gear faster than the person who doesn't. Yes it's still available to others that don't have the money to spend, but the big spender would have the advantage that it is easier for them to obtain. Someone who plays more will have ISK to blow. They can trade for officer weapons with players who purchase more AUR. The whole time, Mr/Miss F2Player can earn keys for free from doing daily missions. The same F2Players can use their free daily login AUR on keys too. "I get to fist tanks in butt" - Jadek Menaheim
Lost Apollo Moose Knuckle Pros 161	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:09:00 - [137] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Lost Apollo wrote: You did the right thing CCP. No matter what, someone is going to cry. officer gear was never a problem, if you get stomped, you would have been stomped anyways. all this does it makes it so you only rarely see it in pc's, or if it's a pure stomp. i VERY rarely see it in pubs anyways. Define very rarely. Exactly.. Very rarely my ass. Play at night. Protobears and officer bs everywhere. It's hard to defend against a squad with that mix of gear. So the getting stomped anyway is invalid. My armor is weak, but my shields are relentless. State 'Rasetsu' Assault Born - April 1, 2013
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 211	Posted - 2015.10.21 14:55:00 - [138] - Quote So I didnt read all the posts (Im at work, I should be working) and I apologize if someone already said this. There are tons of those metal -I dont know what that- you get in salvage and that are considered "semi rare". So, how about using those things to create the experimental weapons, giving them as "crafting material", wich would mean there is a limit to the weapons you can get? Of course, you would still need to give warbarge components. Just an idea.
Nirwanda Vaughns 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 19:30:00 - [139] - Quote Devadander wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just posted this is one of th eothe rtopics but the optinion is still the same. Problem i have is that the game has now swung more in favor of a 'pay to win' system. The only place now to get a high chance of getting officer gear in by opening 10 boxes at once, sure you can get a key per day for free but someone who has an extra $50 a week/month will have access to more officer gear than those who just play for free. I think they should have just changed the drop rate of officer gear from the exp lab instead of removing officer altogether. if you have 2 items a day thats 14 items a week, if only 2-4 of those were officer it would greatly reduce the amount we see in game. It was a bit ridiculous before, i redeemed 4 items and all 4 were rattatis Gk.0's so it did need streamlining, just not completely removing But given there's player trading you could play more, earn isk and buy officer gear from another player Therefore not pay to win Doesn't change the fact that the person pouring money into the game is going be able to get more officer gear faster than the person who doesn't. Yes it's still available to others that don't have the money to spend, but the big spender would have the advantage that it is easier for them to obtain. What happens when people stop spending aur though? and the person spending the aur to get officer gear also has to sell the officer gear. tak eme for example, i'm not short of isk, i don't have a lot but i'm not broke. if i had 100 Balac suits stored up and was the only person with a high amount, what incentive do i have to sell them if i already have 500m isk? not only do i have a large amount of isk but i also have a large quantity of officer gear too. Please fix my C-II hitpoints!! Jesus and I love you :)
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 937	Posted - 2015.10.21 20:33:00 - [140] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just posted this is one of th eothe rtopics but the optinion is still the same. Problem i have is that the game has now swung more in favor of a 'pay to win' system. The only place now to get a high chance of getting officer gear in by opening 10 boxes at once, sure you can get a key per day for free but someone who has an extra $50 a week/month will have access to more officer gear than those who just play for free. I think they should have just changed the drop rate of officer gear from the exp lab instead of removing officer altogether. if you have 2 items a day thats 14 items a week, if only 2-4 of those were officer it would greatly reduce the amount we see in game. It was a bit ridiculous before, i redeemed 4 items and all 4 were rattatis Gk.0's so it did need streamlining, just not completely removing But given there's player trading you could play more, earn isk and buy officer gear from another player Therefore not pay to win Doesn't change the fact that the person pouring money into the game is going be able to get more officer gear faster than the person who doesn't. Yes it's still available to others that don't have the money to spend, but the big spender would have the advantage that it is easier for them to obtain. Exactly, it's easier for them to obtain, that's why they are paying real money. It is not pay to win though as that advantage can be negated by playing the game more FTP works on the basis you are either time poor and therefore pay to skip the grind or cash poor and have to put the time in to grind Also FTP is a business model to pay for the game, you're not 'beating the system' by not paying, you're free-riding, which isn't an issue if there people who are and it's not P2W (Like Dust) ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage

Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 20:42:00 - [141] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just posted this is one of th eothe rtopics but the optinion is still the same. Problem i have is that the game has now swung more in favor of a 'pay to win' system. The only place now to get a high chance of getting officer gear in by opening 10 boxes at once, sure you can get a key per day for free but someone who has an extra $50 a week/month will have access to more officer gear than those who just play for free. I think they should have just changed the drop rate of officer gear from the exp lab instead of removing officer altogether. if you have 2 items a day thats 14 items a week, if only 2-4 of those were officer it would greatly reduce the amount we see in game. It was a bit ridiculous before, i redeemed 4 items and all 4 were rattatis Gk.0's so it did need streamlining, just not completely removing But given there's player trading you could play more, earn isk and buy officer gear from another player Therefore not pay to win Doesn't change the fact that the person pouring money into the game is going be able to get more officer gear faster than the person who doesn't. Yes it's still available to others that don't have the money to spend, but the big spender would have the advantage that it is easier for them to obtain. Exactly, it's easier for them to obtain, that's why they are paying real money. It is not pay to win though as that advantage can be negated by playing the game more FTP works on the basis you are either time poor and therefore pay to skip the grind or cash poor and have to put the time in to grind Also FTP is a business model to pay for the game, you're not 'beating the system' by not paying, you're free-riding, which isn't an issue if there people who are and it's not P2W (Like Dust) No you can't, Without spending money you cannot get keys any faster than anyone else. Short of salvage actually giving something other than useless garbage and std-adv gear. I can't even remember a battle in recent months that wasn't a PC where I got officer gear. Wanna play eve?
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:13:00 - [142] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Lost Apollo wrote: You did the right thing CCP. No matter what, someone is going to cry. officer gear was never a problem, if you get stomped, you would have been stomped anyways. all this does it makes it so you only rarely see it in pc's, or if it's a pure stomp. i VERY rarely see it in pubs anyways. Define very rarely. i go multiple matches without seeing any officer gear, and 99% of it is seen when one team is getting redlined, then they switch to it. So, it's not really an issue. Closed beta vet. ~~~!_~@-------THE~!!!)__SUN~!@(J)~((@RISES.~)(@#~!(~)~))(#~))()))))))__!
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:15:00 - [143] - Quote Lost Apollo wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Lost Apollo wrote: You did the right thing CCP. No matter what, someone is going to cry. officer gear was never a problem, if you get stomped, you would have been stomped anyways. all this does it makes it so you only rarely see it in pc's, or if it's a pure stomp. i VERY rarely see it in pubs anyways. Define very rarely. Exactly.. Very rarely my ass. Play at night. Protobears and officer bs everywhere. It's hard to defend against a squad with that mix of gear. So the getting stomped anyway is invalid. if you're team is getting stomped, you'd still be stomped with proto. Closed beta vet. ~~~!_~@-------THE~!!!)__SUN~!@(J)~((@RISES.~)(@#~!(~)~))(#~))()))))))__!
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 938	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:42:00 - [144] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Just posted this is one of th eothe rtopics but the optinion is still the same. Problem i have is that the game has now swung more in favor of a 'pay to win' system. The only place now to get a high chance of getting officer gear in by opening 10 boxes at once, sure you can get a key per day for free but someone who has an extra $50 a week/month will have access to more officer gear than those who just play for free. I think they should have just changed the drop rate of officer gear from the exp lab instead of removing officer altogether. if you have 2 items a day thats 14 items a week, if only 2-4 of those were officer it would greatly reduce the amount we see in game. It was a bit ridiculous before, i redeemed 4 items and all 4 were rattatis Gk.0's so it did need streamlining, just not completely removing But given there's player trading you could play more, earn isk and buy officer gear from another player Therefore not pay to win Doesn't change the fact that the person pouring money into the game is going be able to get more officer gear faster than the person who doesn't. Yes it's still available to others that don't have the money to spend, but the big spender would have the advantage that it is easier for them to obtain. Exactly, it's easier for them to obtain, that's why they are paying real money. It is not pay to win though as that advantage can be negated by playing the game more FTP works on the basis you are either time poor and therefore pay to skip the grind or cash poor and have to put the time in to grind Also FTP is a business model to pay for the game, you're not 'beating the system' by not paying, you're free-riding, which isn't an issue if there people who are and it's not P2W (Like Dust) No you can't, Without spending money you cannot get keys any faster than anyone else. Short of salvage actually giving something other than useless garbage and std-adv gear. I can't even remember a battle in recent months that wasn't a PC where I got officer gear. Not keys, officer gear ADS Ramming Revenge! Plasma Cannon Rampage
Russel Mendoza Klandatu 259	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:33:00 - [145] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: My opinion, Officer weapons are supposed to be rare, and mean something to you when you use them, as well as those you use them on. Experimental should stay. While Experimental is more powerful than your average ISK gear, the increase in effectiveness is minimal compared to Officer. Passive Generation is a bad idea in general, and should be changed. I like you. Your more sensible than the other cpm. Officer gear should not be in a experimental lab. Remove officer gear production. Increase production rate of experimental gear. I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!! Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu" Vehicle request accepted.
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN 1	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:41:00 - [146] - Quote Russel Mendoza wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: My opinion, Officer weapons are supposed to be rare, and mean something to you when you use them, as well as those you use them on. Experimental should stay. While Experimental is more powerful than your average ISK gear, the increase in effectiveness is minimal compared to Officer. Passive Generation is a bad idea in general, and should be changed. I like you. Your more sensible than the other cpm. Officer gear should not be in a experimental lab. Remove officer gear production. Increase production rate of experimental gear. increase lab production increase officer drop rate from EoM salvage Closed beta vet. ~~~!_~@-------THE~!!!)__SUN~!@(J)~((@RISES.~)(@#~!(~)~))(#~))()))))))__!
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.10.22 07:42:00 - [147] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Not keys, officer gear This is true to a degree, however when was the last time you got officer gear from salvage at the end of a pub match? That is the only other way to get officer gear unless someone in FW/PC uses them, loses said gear and you get lucky at the end of the match. You cant get keys faster, so strongboxes aren't an option for people who can't or won't spend money. Once the amount of officer gear is reduced through people playing, it is going to be stupid expensive cos it's so hard to acquire. Wanna play eve?
Ablerober Haircuts that kill 372	Posted - 2015.10.22 10:42:00 - [148] - Quote The warbarge was always a bad idea. I still can't see any real benefits and I put a lot of cash into this thinking it would enhance my Dust experience. 1) refund Aur 2) remove the warbage 3) limit officer gear to salvage boxes and EOM rewards Apologies if other posters have already suggested similar changes, haven't had a chance to read every reply. Regards, Able.
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:26:00 - [149] - Quote Russel Mendoza wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: My opinion, Officer weapons are supposed to be rare, and mean something to you when you use them, as well as those you use them on. Experimental should stay. While Experimental is more powerful than your average ISK gear, the increase in effectiveness is minimal compared to Officer. Passive Generation is a bad idea in general, and should be changed. I like you. Your more sensible than the other cpm. Officer gear should not be in a experimental lab. Remove officer gear production. Increase production rate of experimental gear. Already done Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!
XxBlazikenxX Pure Evil. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2015.10.22 17:27:00 - [150] - Quote Ablerober wrote: The warbarge was always a bad idea. I still can't see any real benefits and I put a lot of cash into this thinking it would enhance my Dust experience. 1) refund Aur 2) remove the warbage 3) limit officer gear to salvage boxes and EOM rewards Apologies if other posters have already suggested similar changes, haven't had a chance to read every reply. Regards, Able. They have already made the Experimental Laboratory only give you experimental gear. So no more officer gear is coming from the warbarge anymore Director of Pure Evil. Pure Evil. is mass recruiting, apply today and join a war of the Bleeding Sun vs everyone!



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