it was full proto vs full std so a std suit fit with all std tank modules and a proto suit of the same type with a full high end tank, it wasn't exaclty all proto but it was a suit that was built to have as many hp as possible same as the std. it was mainly the armour suits where the biggest difference and also back when STD suits had lower slots. a 3 low slot gal assault vs a 5 slot proto gall assault has a huge hp difference. things have changed slightly in recent patches but there is still a big difference. a new person doesn't have the fitting skills to get as much stuff on either so it will alwyas be like iceskating uphill.

with such a low playerbase, even with the matchmaking the way it is, there is very little way of getting away from try hards unless you're in a squad with other noobs. having a seperate meta locked mode for noobs and vets allows things to be a little more balanced

Oh, so your reference point about proto and standard balance was from before they gave standard suits a ton of slots.

That is an irrelevant comparison.

In the game that we are actually playing that 800 hp gap doesn't exist.

What is a tryhard to you? Because the way you seem to be using it would imply that it is anyone who can afford to run better gear longer than you can.

That is not a tryhard, just someone who is doing better at the fiscal side of the game.

Oh, so your reference point about proto and standard balance was from before they gave standard suits a ton of slots.

That is an irrelevant comparison.

In the game that we are actually playing that 800 hp gap doesn't exist.

What is a tryhard to you? Because the way you seem to be using it would imply that it is anyone who can afford to run better gear longer than you can.

That is not a tryhard, just someone who is doing better at the fiscal side of the game.

Do you not realize players don't start with access to proto? Most of these arguments against stomping aren't coming from poor vets who "can't afford to run proto".

You're not better at the game, you've just been playing it longer.

Do you not realize players don't start with access to proto? Most of these arguments against stomping aren't coming from poor vets who "can't afford to run proto".

You're not better at the game, you've just been playing it longer.

I think that last bit is a bit dishonest. It's well known that a large chuck of the playerbase have piles of isk behind them from old (and to an extent, current) broken PC payout mechanics. Of course they should run whatever they can pay for, especially if it gives them an advantage. But to say they run it because they manage their isk well is a bit of a stretch.

Daemonn, we have been over this. Press Attache is a troll and an idiot who thinks that only his way is the right way and everyone else is wrong. Just ignore him and move on.

On look, the logistics officer for an 8 man corp. All the titles, none of the responsibility.

Saw you in a match today, your 5/0 with 265 WP must have been inspiring to your team.

The power gap is built in to the game by design, it helps as an economic incentive to new players to buy Aurum to shorten the grind.

I'd just like to point out that:

1) Rattati has been working on excising the "power gap" from the game (slot normalization, possible power core in the future)
2) EVE has been engaging in tiericide to lessen the "power gap" (or so I've been led to believe)
3) DUSTs "power gap" was implemented by incompetent developers that are no longer working on DUST because they were bad
4) This pace is shltpost central

Carry on engaging in uncivil discourse.

I'd just like to point out that:

1) Rattati has been working on excising the "power gap" from the game (slot normalization, possible power core in the future)
2) EVE has been engaging in tiericide to lessen the "power gap" (or so I've been led to believe)
3) DUSTs "power gap" was implemented by incompetent developers that are no longer working on DUST because they were bad
4) This pace is shltpost central

Carry on engaging in uncivil discourse.

I'd just like to point out that:

1) Rattati has been working on excising the "power gap" from the game (slot normalization, possible power core in the future)
2) EVE has been engaging in tiericide to lessen the "power gap" (or so I've been led to believe)
3) DUSTs "power gap" was implemented by incompetent developers that are no longer working on DUST because they were bad
4) This pace is shltpost central

Carry on engaging in uncivil discourse.

You definitely need a huge dose of HTFU.

Can't wait to try the AR since the hotfix. I hear the wolf cries and can't wait to validate them!

You haven't tried it yet? It's awesome. At range it is completely useless but up close it is beastly.

Oooh-wee
Sounds to me like either squad or solo gameplay needs to be encouraged through actual game mechanics.
Squad or solo-based equipment (uplinks, hives, etc) might be a good start

It's not okay but the playerbase is too small..I'm not waiting 5 minutes to find a silly pub

Pro stompers don't care about the community. They care about themselves.

Also, they're are players that squad up and step up to the challenge against pro stompers. I do it all the time with a strong squad. Those stompers hate me, or any player with the backbone to fight back in equal gear.

They claim they want new players, and want the game to grow. In reality they don't want a challenge. They just want more targets, and shorter Queues lol!

That's why alot of them run mods. They're not actually that good. If they were they wouldn't mod. It's really quite simple.

What's broken in this game more than proto stomping is the lack of team work! Before complaining about stomps get in squad ffs! You guys cry about this solo mode bs because you lack teamwork and tactics. You don't want to think or slow down enough to work together. You should see some of these "PC" teams now lol! Guys substituting tactics and teamwork for mods and glitches lol!

I call it the domination syndrome! If anything, every mode should have friendly fire! I mean just the other day I was playing a PC where I was thankful I was Gallente for my rep bonus lol! I had pubstars leaping around with Mass drivers and Bons shotguns smh. I spent more time running away from undisciplined panic fire than I did the enemy lol ...

P.F.T.C. ... CCP, every noobs isn't ready for every weapon. There should be a certain level of tactical play reached before you can unlock bon's, core Nade, and MD's lol! Js

The playerbase lacks tactics and control, especially in PC. I got it, guys have mods and use glitches, but it doesn't make them unstoppable. I believe it causes lag, but all these overly biased tech wannabes keep claiming it's all CCP's fault lol! *shrugs*

All things equal, if they didn't use mods alot of you will still lose because you never work together in the 1st darn place?! You run pubs all day, mostly dom, then squad up 16 deep, tell dumb*ss jokes, make stupid racial comments, and lose horribly?! Promptly after getting completely redlined you return to dom to make yourself feel better by camping a roof with a MD lol!

While you're complaining about guys who proto stomp, you've failed to realized your true problem. A serious lack of communication!

I've been running with friends, conversing, and helping some newer players with fits and tactics in my channel "fighthouse". Anyone can join and chit chat. Everyone is welcome! All I ask is keep the topics on the game, and the hate to a minimum. For vets who truly want to help new players, or players looking for solid advice. The chat isn't password protected, and is open to anyone.

In the last couple of days we've discussed tons of tactics, dropsuits, and vehicles. Helping me, or really me helping him, is Tread loudly 2 and a few others dropping in and out. We just discuss tactics and run squad. Talk about all sorts of stuff, and I've found out that alot of players just don't know tons! To any new players out there... READ THE STATS!

Look if you guys are looking for an easy game go play COD.... or play dom?!

If you want to get into some challenging fights learn to work as a team, and play FW and PC.

All I ask is you don't take away the game the rest of us love because you're too lazy to read, and too socially awkward to squad.

Now I know the modding is a nuisance, believe me, but honestly you guys allow it more than CCP! Just don't play with or against them. *shrugs*

Guys complain about guys leaving battle, but honestly I don't blame them sometimes. I'm not playing repeated matches against kaizuka sniper lol! Not gone happen. He's gotta log off at some point, and dust isn't my job. When he's gone or bored of waiting for someone to cheat, he'll leave. *shrugs*

While we wait for CCP to realize the playerbase is dwindling, let's help mitigate the bs. It may take CCP awhile to realize the community is against such activity. It took them forever to figure out that the community actually wanted to keep this game alive lol! So bare with them on the issue.

In the meantime just know that some poor saps in this game have been tricked, like black people and nikes, into believing KD is more than just a number on the TV screen lol! Let em have it I say!

If you want the game to be better than help out, and stop complaining just to complain.

Thanks press... The op is obsessed with a simple " the numbers say I win" mentality. This game has more to it than just numbers, take the recent nerf to strafe it wouldn't have been a thing if people hadn't been dancing around bullets.

That's natural dichotomy. Every game always has that and always will. Some players are inherently better than others. Except we don't balance games around that concept, we try and normalize what the players have access to so that the better players, even when stacked don't near instant kill people.

Two players with the same gear, one sucks and one wrecks - the bad player needs to take efforts to improve his game. This is FAIR. Two players in different gear who both wreck, and one loses 9/10 times because of an hp and damage advantage, isn't fair.

Can't balance someone's skill, but we can balance the way you gain advantages over other players through equipment.

On no. 2, Eve's tiericide is almost complete. The main philosophy behind doing it was that the increasing power of tiered ships gave a false choice, everyone would only run the highest tier and the time spent not being able to run the highest tier was spent not running anything at all - players knew they simply couldn't be competitive. Also interesting to note is the isk difference between the bottom and top tier was only around 30% for ships.

If you take that same philosophy and apply it to Dust, then some sort of tiericide is more than appropriate.