We also have to look at skill level and not just level of gear because some people just suck at the game while others are better.

Through all of this meta talk thats one bigass factor that people are leaving out of the equation.

Some people suck at the game.
Some people are really good at it.

In a PC you can kinda expect guys like D4GG3R and Arianna to do well. In a meta locked/tier locked game mode they're still gonna be styling on hoes.

I have never seen a person from your corp that doesn't run proto gear man. FW, pubs, PC... it is always proto... Of course, I have never ran into you that I can recall tbh.

You're right, I too enjoy the challenge. It's extremely satisfying to know they are spending double, triple and beyond to run that kit. I have no issue with proto here and there, it's the consistent stomps that are strangling this game to death (among the laundry list of other things).

I was gifted an APEX and standard BPO recently. Prior to that, when I was in standard and adv. I would often go is negative because I refused to leave games, even trying to play logi is impossible in some stomps because you're either all sitting back in the mcc or redline avoiding the 10 to 20 deaths coming your way.

I'm all for a challenge, but running by the numbers it's like unmodded civic trying to race a turbo fully nodded civic. **** ain't gonna happen, unless the turbo driver fails at life and can't drive the car.

Same with proto, unless you suck at the game you should be able to take anyone with lesser kit. When a newer player has to land 90-112% more shots, that's not a challenge. That's idiocy. And those numbers are not exceptionally rare cases, that's the norm now in games. Pro suits and officer weapons all day.

I can agree that pubstomping sucks. I really hate corps like Carne Con Papas. Protostompers in pubs, all the time. Proto and officer stomps all damn day. It amazes me that an AR can out-range a RR, and out dps the damn thing too. I have around 700 eHP on my Rasetsu and these mother ******* melt me like butter.

However, MKNP (Moose Knuckle Pros) has been doing well lately. Me and my squad run either starter fits or LP/Apex suits and we stomp sometimes. My CEO went 30/18 and I went 29/10.

The thought behind that is, as some have stated, skill level. I believe some type of gear lock would help to reduce stomps.

I don't know what you mean by "more global TTK goal", but I also favor the idea of slight performance advantages at exponentially increasing costs. Gear and SP should afford only a slight advantage in combat ... Specifically how to go about getting there -- and whether or not it'd be a good idea for DUST at this juncture -- I honestly don't know. But I do know that performance disparity at opposing ends of the experience spectrum has worsened with HP Creep, and I doubt seriously that a solution to this problem will be found in more HP Creep.

HTFU cheapskates

Don't tell me how to live my life.

HTFU

And if you do manage to kill them, what's the % of isk loss compared to yours?


I think they lose like 10,000% more isk then you do so, how is that not fair?

Do you even pub? Go play 10 games. Record how many times you die to proto/ofc players across those matches. I think you'll find its a lot more common than you think.

And you're not dividing anything. You're restricting what can be used. At any point they can choose not to use their pro/ofc kits and fight at the top of the pub brackets. Then for higher levels of play like FW and PC, anything goes. I think the only issue would be proto/ofc players who refuse to change how they play, if they queue pubs in that gear, it should fill the game with players of similar meta.

If the only detriment is pro/ofc players waiting in longer PUB queues, so be it. It will help so many aspects of the game, I could give a **** about the high end players waiting in pub queues because they refuse to change their kit.

No one is forced into anything. Like you want the "lemmings" to git gud, I want the pro/ofc stompers to git real.

While I appreciate the math in the OP, the TTK disparity between a given newbro and a given vet is not necessarily a "constant" shared among all newbros and vets. HP levels vary by class, by tier and by loadout. A PRO Assault unit, for example, can fit high-end HP modules whereas a STD Assault unit cannot. Directly buffing shield extenders, for example, would benefit both the PRO and STD Cal Assault units, though the PRO unit would benefit by greater degree as the delta at complex tier would exceed that at standard or advanced tier. And compared to a Cal Commando, for instance, our Cal Assault units would benefit by far greater degree, due to difference in slot count between the two classes.

Adjustments to TTK -- whether up or down -- do not impact all classes, loadouts and tiers by the same degree.

HOWDIDHEKILLME is under the impression that players in squads are a greater detriment to pub play than the performance disparity between new and veteran players.

As you said, every other fps has this feature, yet none of the same extreme stomping at the same frequency as Dust.

I don't know how he can ignore the numbers in this very thread and instead blame a tried and true mechanic.

What you have to understand is that the game's economy is broken.....
Those guys going 15/5 on proto are losing money, but have so much from PC that they will never go broke. They can't understand that they are actually bad at DUST. They see K/D and confuse it with making money. As a Merc making money every game is the goal. Once you remove the financial limitations players will naturally crutch the proto. They have no reason not to.

If you want to stop stomping..easy...just reset assets and kill the broken PC system. Its lagggy and usless. Of topic, but it is the root of the issue.

Ever seen sax's video " one squad 140 kills " yeah totally not a thing.

You definitely need a huge dose of HTFU.

MAKE IT HAPPEN MAKE IT HAPPEN MAKE IT HAPPEN

lol Today I was playing a match, then I realized there was a protostomp team on the other end. At the end of the game, I mailed him asking not to use proto gear in pubs, and told him that he was ruining the game. He gave me the classic middle finger. I was laughing because this guy got all his points from Warbarges and Core Locuses, and he told me to F off. This guy xD

You definitely need a huge dose of HTFU.

What gear were they running? I have not seen most Dust videos as I started playing roughly 2 months ago.

And providing a single anecdotal example doesn't serve to make a very good point. Remember, single examples usually serve as exceptions, not rules.

If you can provide any data on your points, we could at least have an intelligent debate. Everything you bring up is anecdotal at best.

If you have only been playing for 2 months, then I need to step up my forum game. You've got more likes than me xD

We can normalize hp modules like weapons,
Std module
adv module + 7%
Pro module + 3% (or just 10% more than std)

This means that a pro suit fit the same as a Std suit but pro, will have 10% more hp and damage

We can change proficiency to reduce counter profile loss instead of bonusing its profile damage

Eg: combat rifle proficiency
3% damage to armor per level
Becomes
+3% reduction to shield penalty per level
(20%reduction per level)
Eg: laser rifle
3% damage to shields per level
Becomes
+4% reduction to armor penalty per level
(20% reduction per level)

What gear were they running? I have not seen most Dust videos as I started playing roughly 2 months ago.

And providing a single anecdotal example doesn't serve to make a very good point. Remember, single examples usually serve as exceptions, not rules.

If you can provide any data on your points, we could at least have an intelligent debate. Everything you bring up is anecdotal at best.

Simple solution? PvE.

Or a training mode that costs 10,000 isk,but rewards 1/2,2/3 SP.
Endless clones on both sides.
You can deploy in any of your preset fits for free.
And leave/collect your SP anytime.
As well as your K/D shown upon leaving.

Can't be used for events of course.

*possibly Randomized gamemodes selected every XX minutes of play. (to redeploy)

To the OP. People wouldn't risk their proto/officer gear even half as much if they aren't squaded up ( other than Thales ect. ) prolly never officer gear solo.

One or two people running good gear won't cause a stomp, squading in pubs is much more powerful. Most people will never know the feeling of seeing 12+ people from the same Corp opposing them in pubs... I saw it for years.

The playerbase is to small to divide it further. Get rid of fire teams in pubs and people will be forced to play what they can afford. Just because some people want to go full lemming at the objective and don't care about strategy because they only run cheap gear dosnt mean we all want to play that way. This isn't call of duty **** costs isk.

2 months and you'r complaining Jesus. I was complaining about proto stomps 2 years ago. I now have the experience to form an opinion.

You have no idea how much more balanced it is now than then. Ever been Thales (or rail turret or missiled for that matter) sniped from 599m? I have. I doubt you even have all your core skills, one suit, one weapon, a sidearm, and one piece of equipment to max.

2 months and you even think for one second you know this game better than someone who has earned over 250 million sp solo?

Your knowledge of the game is ****, you don't know what the **** your talking about. I've tried to point out the real problem but your a moron. I may just delete all my low end fittings (3/4 of my fits) and build just proto and officer fits only just to spite you personally.

Ever seen the first dust advertising videos... PvE is the main reason I started playing... It will never happen.