DUST Search - Can't argue with numbers - protostomping needs to go

Daemonn Adima wrote:

You're right, I too enjoy the challenge. It's extremely satisfying to know they are spending double, triple and beyond to run that kit. I have no issue with proto here and there, it's the consistent stomps that are strangling this game to death (among the laundry list of other things).

I was gifted an APEX and standard BPO recently. Prior to that, when I was in standard and adv. I would often go is negative because I refused to leave games, even trying to play logi is impossible in some stomps because you're either all sitting back in the mcc or redline avoiding the 10 to 20 deaths coming your way.

I'm all for a challenge, but running by the numbers it's like unmodded civic trying to race a turbo fully nodded civic. **** ain't gonna happen, unless the turbo driver fails at life and can't drive the car.

Same with proto, unless you suck at the game you should be able to take anyone with lesser kit. When a newer player has to land 90-112% more shots, that's not a challenge. That's idiocy. And those numbers are not exceptionally rare cases, that's the norm now in games. Pro suits and officer weapons all day.


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BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 278	Posted - 2015.10.08 03:29:00 - [1] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: We also have to look at skill level and not just level of gear because some people just suck at the game while others are better. Through all of this meta talk thats one bigass factor that people are leaving out of the equation. Some people suck at the game. Some people are really good at it. In a PC you can kinda expect guys like D4GG3R and Arianna to do well. In a meta locked/tier locked game mode they're still gonna be styling on hoes. Did this guy read this before he posted????? 93.% is not a gap you ever overcome with "good".....that means you get owned unless you meet the other guy at 53% of his EHP. Also remember you have to be better than good because that proto weapon is more accurate as well. That means in many cases new players don't even have enough rounds in a clip to finish a proto player. It also means if you meet him at full health he walks away at almost half health and can numerically still finish another player off. That is a virtual 2 : 1 guarantee. Another thing some of you might not want to hear but need to understand....THERE IS NO ACTUAL SKILL INVOLVED IN A FPS. It's a GAME and in truth involves no actual skill that you can improve. Understand what skills are...moving your thumbs is not a skill. You can get better at playing the game by making better decisions because you understand the matchup and maps, but the limited set of variables in the game (which revolve mostly around gear and SPs) does not allow anyone to "break" the game. There are activities you can do to pad your stats but if you are playing in your MU the K/D will normalize. This is because if you are playing someone on completely even footing 1v1 believe it or not most are just as skilled at moving their thumbs as you are. So unless you are using exploits(including FOTM), KMB macros, hit detection dancing, playing out of your MU, or sqauding (which is part of the social aspect of the game) you will not routinely outplay people of your SP level. The key is not putting the low SP players in with the high or making solo players constantly go up against squads. Those new guys need an environment to play in where you don't have losers simply picking on them. As for people owning..no they will not.(For one you just mentioned two people that never run solo) Math, again, bears that out. There is a reason that guys that stay about six months suddenly turn their K/D and WP generation around. They finally have their cores maxed and a couple roles proto. Then they can adapt to the game as it flows more. Try being a guy with 10 mill SP all in Cal stuff and finding out 10 players on the other team are running scramblers. Its not going to go well for you. On the other hand if you have even 50 mill you have multiple roles, suits, and AV options available. The people with more SPs have many more options to counter the other teams play style. That is a big deal. Essentially you can't "good" your way past the gear and SP gap. Math is math and some players will always play better than others, but not 30 to 1 better. In truth without padding not even 3 to 1 better.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 278	Posted - 2015.10.08 03:33:00 - [2] - Quote Lost Apollo wrote: maybe deadcatz wrote: I kinda run apex or standard suits only in pubs. I have 500 sheild and 194 armour (rasetsu) or 440ish armour and 194sheilds(in my gall assault) I repair and regen sheild really quickly at the cost of super stacked HP. Just apply enough alpha damage before I can react or wear me down from multiple fights. Becuase everyone deserves a fair chance. I avoid reps by logis(they can wp ***** off of someone who is actually trying) I don't always die to milita but when I do its because he saw me near dead after giving someone in proto a whuping with a supposedly "underpowered weapon" (assault rifles best ftw beetches). Only in PC or sometimes fw I will run proto. Maybe one match of pubs in proto but that's when I feel like I have some isk to spare. I have never seen a person from your corp that doesn't run proto gear man. FW, pubs, PC... it is always proto... Of course, I have never ran into you that I can recall tbh. Man, just gonna say I see the same from the Moose knuckles... What's worse I see your guys farming the low MU early in the day when I watch my friends games. Nothing personal, and I agree with what you said about that corp, but you are the preverbal pot calling the kettle black there.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 278	Posted - 2015.10.08 03:42:00 - [3] - Quote Daemonn Adima wrote: You're right, I too enjoy the challenge. It's extremely satisfying to know they are spending double, triple and beyond to run that kit. I have no issue with proto here and there, it's the consistent stomps that are strangling this game to death (among the laundry list of other things). I was gifted an APEX and standard BPO recently. Prior to that, when I was in standard and adv. I would often go is negative because I refused to leave games, even trying to play logi is impossible in some stomps because you're either all sitting back in the mcc or redline avoiding the 10 to 20 deaths coming your way. I'm all for a challenge, but running by the numbers it's like unmodded civic trying to race a turbo fully nodded civic. **** ain't gonna happen, unless the turbo driver fails at life and can't drive the car. Same with proto, unless you suck at the game you should be able to take anyone with lesser kit. When a newer player has to land 90-112% more shots, that's not a challenge. That's idiocy. And those numbers are not exceptionally rare cases, that's the norm now in games. Pro suits and officer weapons all day. What you have to understand is that the game's economy is broken..... Those guys going 15/5 on proto are losing money, but have so much from PC that they will never go broke. They can't understand that they are actually bad at DUST. They see K/D and confuse it with making money. As a Merc making money every game is the goal. Once you remove the financial limitations players will naturally crutch the proto. They have no reason not to. If you want to stop stomping..easy...just reset assets and kill the broken PC system. Its lagggy and usless. Of topic, but it is the root of the issue.
BARAGAMOS Kinsho Swords Caldari State 304	Posted - 2015.10.11 17:52:00 - [4] - Quote DEATH THE KlD wrote: It's not okay but the playerbase is too small..I'm not waiting 5 minutes to find a silly pub Then don't play if it comes to that. I'd rather have the new players stay than tired old vets who can't handle queue times. The game needs them a lot more.