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HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.07 22:50:00 -
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To the OP. People wouldn't risk their proto/officer gear even half as much if they aren't squaded up ( other than Thales ect. ) prolly never officer gear solo.
One or two people running good gear won't cause a stomp, squading in pubs is much more powerful. Most people will never know the feeling of seeing 12+ people from the same Corp opposing them in pubs... I saw it for years.
The playerbase is to small to divide it further. Get rid of fire teams in pubs and people will be forced to play what they can afford. Just because some people want to go full lemming at the objective and don't care about strategy because they only run cheap gear dosnt mean we all want to play that way. This isn't call of duty **** costs isk. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 05:03:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:To the OP. People wouldn't risk their proto/officer gear even half as much if they aren't squaded up ( other than Thales ect. ) prolly never officer gear solo.
One or two people running good gear won't cause a stomp, squading in pubs is much more powerful. Most people will never know the feeling of seeing 12+ people from the same Corp opposing them in pubs... I saw it for years.
The playerbase is to small to divide it further. Get rid of fire teams in pubs and people will be forced to play what they can afford. Just because some people want to go full lemming at the objective and don't care about strategy because they only run cheap gear dosnt mean we all want to play that way. This isn't call of duty **** costs isk. Do you even pub? Go play 10 games. Record how many times you die to proto/ofc players across those matches. I think you'll find its a lot more common than you think. And you're not dividing anything. You're restricting what can be used. At any point they can choose not to use their pro/ofc kits and fight at the top of the pub brackets. Then for higher levels of play like FW and PC, anything goes. I think the only issue would be proto/ofc players who refuse to change how they play, if they queue pubs in that gear, it should fill the game with players of similar meta. If the only detriment is pro/ofc players waiting in longer PUB queues, so be it. It will help so many aspects of the game, I could give a **** about the high end players waiting in pub queues because they refuse to change their kit. No one is forced into anything. Like you want the "lemmings" to git gud, I want the pro/ofc stompers to git real.
I only run pubs ( because I almost always run solo ). Two different tiers Is dividing the players. I run a mix of mostly advanced with some proto suits ( even then I use advanced weapons mostly). It literally took years to get to where I can afford to run upper tier gear and not lose isk. I ran officer this was the result http://imgur.com/u3pkZEt the worstt I did in that fit was 47-1. Now check my stats and tell me I run that **** all the time moron. I also don't go c.o.d. Idiot mode and rush the enemy and expect to win. I hardly ever break 20 kills and if I die 10+ times in a round I think to myself wtf was I doing wrong... Oh yeah I got obsessed with one tactic. I should have done somthing compleatly different at 5 deaths.
I'm closing on 150 million sp ( 250 if you count my alt ) not many people have more experience than me. I'm not the best but I don't give up, I don't leave battle and I don't blame loss simply on gear.
I don't PC because my Corp is just me and my wife, I don't FW because of team killing ( last time I played it as I was hacking an objective a nyan san guy nova knifed me ) and idiots that blow up equipment ( since I logi a lot ) not to mention I have access to everything I want so it holds nothing for me.
I've played with plenty of people who say there good then go somthing like 10-20 over and over but could care less because their cheap gear costs nothing and they still profit.
I've hated proto stomping much longer than you. But watch most those guys play solo and get their ass get handed to them.
A solo officer setup will not swing most rounds, it's squads doing it. Squads are the problem
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 05:11:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME is under the impression that players in squads are a greater detriment to pub play than the performance disparity between new and veteran players.
As you said, every other fps has this feature, yet none of the same extreme stomping at the same frequency as Dust.
I don't know how he can ignore the numbers in this very thread and instead blame a tried and true mechanic.
Ever seen sax's video " one squad 140 kills " yeah totally not a thing. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 05:15:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:You're right, I too enjoy the challenge. It's extremely satisfying to know they are spending double, triple and beyond to run that kit. I have no issue with proto here and there, it's the consistent stomps that are strangling this game to death (among the laundry list of other things).
I was gifted an APEX and standard BPO recently. Prior to that, when I was in standard and adv. I would often go is negative because I refused to leave games, even trying to play logi is impossible in some stomps because you're either all sitting back in the mcc or redline avoiding the 10 to 20 deaths coming your way.
I'm all for a challenge, but running by the numbers it's like unmodded civic trying to race a turbo fully nodded civic. **** ain't gonna happen, unless the turbo driver fails at life and can't drive the car.
Same with proto, unless you suck at the game you should be able to take anyone with lesser kit. When a newer player has to land 90-112% more shots, that's not a challenge. That's idiocy. And those numbers are not exceptionally rare cases, that's the norm now in games. Pro suits and officer weapons all day. What you have to understand is that the game's economy is broken..... Those guys going 15/5 on proto are losing money, but have so much from PC that they will never go broke. They can't understand that they are actually bad at DUST. They see K/D and confuse it with making money. As a Merc making money every game is the goal. Once you remove the financial limitations players will naturally crutch the proto. They have no reason not to. If you want to stop stomping..easy...just reset assets and kill the broken PC system. Its lagggy and usless. Of topic, but it is the root of the issue.
Agreed I have over a billion isk from solo play... Resetting assets and zeroing my wallet would not change my play style at all.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 06:22:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME is under the impression that players in squads are a greater detriment to pub play than the performance disparity between new and veteran players.
As you said, every other fps has this feature, yet none of the same extreme stomping at the same frequency as Dust.
I don't know how he can ignore the numbers in this very thread and instead blame a tried and true mechanic. Ever seen sax's video " one squad 140 kills " yeah totally not a thing. What gear were they running? I have not seen most Dust videos as I started playing roughly 2 months ago. And providing a single anecdotal example doesn't serve to make a very good point. Remember, single examples usually serve as exceptions, not rules. If you can provide any data on your points, we could at least have an intelligent debate. Everything you bring up is anecdotal at best.
2 months and you'r complaining Jesus. I was complaining about proto stomps 2 years ago. I now have the experience to form an opinion.
You have no idea how much more balanced it is now than then. Ever been Thales (or rail turret or missiled for that matter) sniped from 599m? I have. I doubt you even have all your core skills, one suit, one weapon, a sidearm, and one piece of equipment to max.
2 months and you even think for one second you know this game better than someone who has earned over 250 million sp solo?
Your knowledge of the game is ****, you don't know what the **** your talking about. I've tried to point out the real problem but your a moron. I may just delete all my low end fittings (3/4 of my fits) and build just proto and officer fits only just to spite you personally. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 06:55:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Simple solution? PvE.
Or a training mode that costs 10,000 isk,but rewards 1/2,2/3 SP.
Endless clones on both sides.
You can deploy in any of your preset fits for free.
And leave/collect your SP anytime.
As well as your K/D shown upon leaving.
Can't be used for events of course.
*possibly Randomized gamemodes selected every XX minutes of play. (to redeploy)
Ever seen the first dust advertising videos... PvE is the main reason I started playing... It will never happen. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 11:01:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Meee One wrote:Simple solution? PvE.
Or a training mode that costs 10,000 isk,but rewards 1/2,2/3 SP.
Endless clones on both sides.
You can deploy in any of your preset fits for free.
And leave/collect your SP anytime.
As well as your K/D shown upon leaving.
Can't be used for events of course.
*possibly Randomized gamemodes selected every XX minutes of play. (to redeploy) Ever seen the first dust advertising videos... PvE is the main reason I started playing... It will never happen. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Keep your fingers crossed for that PvE though! See ya!
Was here long before you, il be here long after. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 17:56:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Daemonn Adima wrote:HOWDIDHEKILLME is under the impression that players in squads are a greater detriment to pub play than the performance disparity between new and veteran players.
As you said, every other fps has this feature, yet none of the same extreme stomping at the same frequency as Dust.
I don't know how he can ignore the numbers in this very thread and instead blame a tried and true mechanic. Because you are looking at any single engagement as a strictly numerical relationship when it almost never is, and howdidhekillme is looking at a series of engagements or a whole match and seeing the larger effect that squad is having. Adv gear can tangle with proto, heck properly fitted standard suits can put up a fight. In any single engagement, where both players stand still and just dump non missing shots until one dies, proto will always win, but fights in dust rarely happen that way. What adv gear cannot overcome solo is the squad that keeps a third guy hanging around doing nothing but micro flanking while their back marker keeps the scans up . No squad mode before meta locking would be better.
Thanks press... The op is obsessed with a simple " the numbers say I win" mentality. This game has more to it than just numbers, take the recent nerf to strafe it wouldn't have been a thing if people hadn't been dancing around bullets. |
HOWDIDHEKILLME
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Posted - 2015.10.08 19:54:00 -
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Daemonn Adima wrote:Press is a ******* moron and so are you. Go jerk off in his tank together.
We're to busy bending your mom like an accordion... How's her back? |
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