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hails8n
DEATH BY DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2015.08.02 09:58:00 -
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By transferring the clone pack from the people that didn't show to the people that did. Its only fair for wasting everyone's time.
I understand you're all (CCP) worried about PC farming, but on the other side of the coin people are getting screwed out of an hour setting up and then having to play through, because the other team might pull in with a full 16 at any time. So, sitting there with no isk reward, no sp, and only 200 DK(without a DK market to spend it on), is a crap waste of time.
Stop wasting everyone's time, until theres a fix I refuse to PC.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.02 10:31:00 -
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That's really annoying I agree..
But you know, I think it's only if the team who attacks that no show that the defenders should get their clones. Some corporations sometimes get attacked 3-4 times in 30min and they can't defend all battles. They might lose a district that way so it's already an important loss.
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jett it
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.08.02 10:46:00 -
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I agree to both of your post's Its a bunch of BS when they no show, big waste of time and effort setting up. Not just 1 persons time but 16 people. No shows should be fix to a point where it makes sense for the team fighting zero enemies to stay in that pc.
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hails8n
DEATH BY DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2015.08.02 10:54:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:That's really annoying I agree..
But you know, I think it's only if the team who attacks that no show that the defenders should get their clones. Some corporations sometimes get attacked 3-4 times in 30min and they can't defend all battles. They might lose a district that way so it's already an important loss.
. I was thinking about that earlier,but you've solved it. Only attackers that no show forfeit their clones. Thats a complete idea that can be implemented that would totally solve no shows.
. Also if you happen to have a full 450 clone pack already, the clone pack can be divided equally between players, whatever the isk cost of that pack was. Or just do that normally and forget the clone pack transfer, but I like my 1st idea better.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.02 11:15:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:That's really annoying I agree..
But you know, I think it's only if the team who attacks that no show that the defenders should get their clones. Some corporations sometimes get attacked 3-4 times in 30min and they can't defend all battles. They might lose a district that way so it's already an important loss.
Too easy to abuse, unfortunately.
What I can see happening is someone making an alt corp, inviting some new bros in and then using the resulting CP earnings to fund the free Clone Packs (provided they don't have districts) and then using those clone packs to attack the defending turf belonging to the main corporation. At which point, providing a no show, the clones would transfer and the defending corp just got a DK paycheck.
Alternatively, if it can only transfer clones to the district if it isn't at clone capacity, it'd just be used as a regeneration + locking mechanism for the district itself. Just got out of a really hard battle with low clones on the district? Attack it with your alt corp's clone pack and lock it up, aid in the regeneration.
And if you're being attacked 3-4 times in the span of 30m and can't defend all battles, you probably need to re-evaluate your timers or how much turf you have =P That sort of situation is one of the reasons PC 2.0 was put in place: Holding only what you can feasibly defend.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.02 11:47:00 -
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Well Aeon.. I'm not quiet use to PC 2.0 stuffs yet x) I just threw this idea out of my mind reading what the OP said. Unfortunatly, you're right, people will exploit this once again..
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.02 13:34:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Well Aeon.. I'm not quiet use to PC 2.0 stuffs yet x) I just threw this idea out of my mind reading what the OP said. Unfortunatly, you're right, people will exploit this once again..
And they rightfully should, because unfortunately that's the only way to get CCP to fix things most of the time 
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Sgt Kirk
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Posted - 2015.08.02 13:42:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Well Aeon.. I'm not quiet use to PC 2.0 stuffs yet x) I just threw this idea out of my mind reading what the OP said. Unfortunatly, you're right, people will exploit this once again.. And they rightfully should, because unfortunately that's the only way to get CCP to fix things most of the time
You make a good point Cat Merc.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.08.02 13:44:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Well Aeon.. I'm not quiet use to PC 2.0 stuffs yet x) I just threw this idea out of my mind reading what the OP said. Unfortunatly, you're right, people will exploit this once again.. And they rightfully should, because unfortunately that's the only way to get CCP to fix things most of the time You make a good point Cat Merc.
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MockHolliday
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.02 13:47:00 -
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How easy is it for an alt corp to collect CP? If the CP is hard to earn these attacks would dry up rather quickly. I think a real solution is no show corps will be frozen for 'x' amount of days. Maybe 3?
You no show, you cant attack, maybe even have a progressive punishment. Chasing CP with alt corps is annoying and a time drain. it would subside. |
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.02 14:08:00 -
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Why are people touchy about no shows?
It is, and should remain an effective way to harass a larger, stronger group.
If a corp wants to earn and then spend their CP, why should they be restricted from it because it works at making big groups salty?
BTW, if you form up an hour before a PC, its your own fault for getting bored. Get better organized.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.08.02 14:13:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Why are people touchy about no shows?
It is, and should remain an effective way to harass a larger, stronger group.
If a corp wants to earn and then spend their CP, why should they be restricted from it because it works at making big groups salty?
BTW, if you form up an hour before a PC, its your own fault for getting bored. Get better organized.
I'm in agreement with you here.
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Alaika Arbosa
No Context
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Posted - 2015.08.02 14:34:00 -
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Weaponized Boredom, deal with it
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Kain Spero
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Posted - 2015.08.02 14:48:00 -
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Eh, except a mechanic that only has the effect of "wasting time" is bad design really. This is an FPS game built around instances of matches. If a defender no shows they loose their district. If an attacker no shows? No consequence really at all except for wasted CP.
Mechanics should encourage players to actually fight and generate content. Defenders no showing and forcing an attacker to take three days to flip a district used to be the "boredom" punishment back in PC 1.0 and it was rightly fixed with the reup mechanic.
You no show a defense? You loose your district. There should be a similar incentive for an attacker to at least deploy a minimal amount of forces to a PC match.
If a corp completely no shows the CP wallet should be frozen for a period of X days (no CP in and no ability to spend CP) or a CP penalty to the wallet equivalent to the CP cost of the attack launched or a set amount that gives pause to leaving a battle completely empty.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.08.02 15:03:00 -
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MockHolliday wrote:How easy is it for an alt corp to collect CP? If the CP is hard to earn these attacks would dry up rather quickly. I think a real solution is no show corps will be frozen for 'x' amount of days. Maybe 3?
You no show, you cant attack, maybe even have a progressive punishment. Chasing CP with alt corps is annoying and a time drain. it would subside.
That penalty is avoidable by one dude visiting the battle.
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General Mosquito
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.02 15:04:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Eh, except a mechanic that only has the effect of "wasting time" is bad design really.
If a corp is making a strategic play to weaken your resolve, it isn't about just wasting time, its about burning out your people. If they can't do it through direct combat, but they can because people won't sit around in a loud chat channel that has no controlling figures in it to get a slot, then so be it.
You could always stop these multi stacked no shows if you held less territory.
Kain Spero wrote:
This is an FPS game built around instances of matches. If a defender no shows they loose their district. If an attacker no shows? No consequence really at all except for wasted CP.
Which is a consequence, because those CP could have been spent attacking someone they think they can beat in a straight up fight. They made a choice to send an attack, and then no show. You have choices as well.
Kain Spero wrote:
Mechanics should encourage players to actually fight and generate content. Defenders no showing and forcing an attacker to take three days to flip a district used to be the "boredom" punishment back in PC 1.0 and it was rightly fixed with the reup mechanic.
Risk aversion is never going to be beaten out of people through mechanics changes. But if you really wanted to increase competition, you would put in an arbitrary corp size limit, so that people couldn't pool together out of fear of losing. Not that it would work, but you don't increase competition by telling the weaker groups they are not allowed to harass the bigger corps because it bores them.
Kain Spero wrote:
You no show a defense? You loose your district. There should be a similar incentive for an attacker to at least deploy a minimal amount of forces to a PC match.
If a corp completely no shows the CP wallet should be frozen for a period of X days (no CP in and no ability to spend CP) or a CP penalty to the wallet equivalent to the CP cost of the attack launched or a set amount that gives pause to leaving a battle completely empty.
So you're ok with just having one person show up to a PC? They sit in their redline, no one on your team ever sees them, but at least its not a no show right?
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Aeon Amadi
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Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.02 15:29:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:
If a corp completely no shows the CP wallet should be frozen for a period of X days (no CP in and no ability to spend CP) or a CP penalty to the wallet equivalent to the CP cost of the attack launched or a set amount that gives pause to leaving a battle completely empty.
Why...? Because they made you field sixteen people in the hopes that they'd show? I don't see a problem with it. I'm sure the argument will be 'stacked timers' but If you can't field 16 people to defend the district in a real attack than you don't deserve the district anyway.
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:13:00 -
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MockHolliday wrote:How easy is it for an alt corp to collect CP? If the CP is hard to earn these attacks would dry up rather quickly. I think a real solution is no show corps will be frozen for 'x' amount of days. Maybe 3?
You no show, you cant attack, maybe even have a progressive punishment. Chasing CP with alt corps is annoying and a time drain. it would subside.
Perhaps put the corp on "probation" and charge normal clone pack prices for repeated no shows.
I think we are stuck with this now though, perhaps getting the DK market open would have shown the peasants something worth fighting for. |
Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:33:00 -
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My corp is grinding out cp faster than we can use it.
As a result we have begun playing "which battle is the real battle?" A tactic you will soon see commonplace.
Nobody needs 20 districts, I don't even want one. But if I can make it hell on the ones who find it fun to hold all that land. Guess what? It becomes fun for us.
On a side note, I've thought about selling our attacks. Win win.
Prolly charge 40 mil a pop.
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:49:00 -
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I like it, it's like the attacking team dropped CRUs but never bothered to activate the clones inside.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
501
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:53:00 -
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Just think, after 7 no shows in a row, I field a 1.4b sp team.
Profit. 
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deezy dabest
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.08.02 17:37:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:Why are people touchy about no shows?
It is, and should remain an effective way to harass a larger, stronger group.
If a corp wants to earn and then spend their CP, why should they be restricted from it because it works at making big groups salty?
BTW, if you form up an hour before a PC, its your own fault for getting bored. Get better organized.
^^^ I do not believe it could be said any better.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:09:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:MockHolliday wrote:How easy is it for an alt corp to collect CP? If the CP is hard to earn these attacks would dry up rather quickly. I think a real solution is no show corps will be frozen for 'x' amount of days. Maybe 3?
You no show, you cant attack, maybe even have a progressive punishment. Chasing CP with alt corps is annoying and a time drain. it would subside. That penalty is avoidable by one dude visiting the battle.
Yes but you assume a no show is simply catagorized as no enemy players on the other team, a more exact definition could be exacted so that the no-showing team would have to go out of their way to qualify as a no-show but still inflict boredom.
It should more or less consist of
the team having less than 8 players
and/or
the team fails to hack any objectives
In both cases the enemy team is required to show up in force and even if a full team shows they must take some action they can't AFK in the MCC. I would have included a death by the agressors but if the defending team no-shows I wouldn't want the possibility of the attackers taking the penalty for the defenders no-show. |
Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:31:00 -
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Since some of you believe this is working as intended I will tell you why it is flawed since the first step to solving a problem is identifying it. The whole idea of PC is huge risk huge reward, so why is their a no risk huge reward aspect put into the game.
No showing requires:
no isk
no players
no planning
no financial reprecussions
and since the no-showing corp has no districts their is no risk of retaliation
Reward:
Potential timer stack
Wearing down your opponent
Preventing clones from being moved which prevents
reinforcing weak districts and
launching attacks
if a corp wins a battle but has insufficient clones for an immediate re-up and their district to launch the re-up is tied up w/ a no-show they must either start over letting them regen essentially voiding a battle or lose 30mil by throwing a clone pack at it.
the no-show may prevent the sale of clones at a more tactical time
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MockHolliday
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:48:00 -
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A healthy fact would be to post what CCP wants PC to be. Then try to obtain that goal. Fact or not I always saw PC as a large game of Risk. A highly competitive option for players to feel part of a bigger "game". Is this accurate?
I am not sure how prevalent no shows are but CCP does. Maybe it is small. Maybe the CP mechanism is working as intended. |
Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
502
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:59:00 -
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Omg the tear collection factor in this thread is impossible to gauge!
My HAV are fueled for the next millennium.
Honestly. All I see is "why are so tuff to hold 20 districts? Stahp making us du theengs. QQ QQ NOT FAIR"
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Alaika Arbosa
No Context
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Posted - 2015.08.02 19:08:00 -
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Devadander wrote:Omg the tear collection factor in this thread is impossible to gauge!
My HAV are fueled for the next millennium.
Honestly. All I see is "why are so tuff to hold 20 districts? Stahp making us du theengs. QQ QQ NOT FAIR"
I think it is hilarious too.
No, you can't come up with creative ways to fight us that don't fit into our paradigm of fighting!!
No fair, you should be forced to fight us on our terms so we can feel good about ourselves rather than imploding due to boredom until we just give up and you can take our District when we no-show because you've successfully trained us to not pay attention!!
I Love this thread.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.02 19:42:00 -
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Devadander wrote:Omg the tear collection factor in this thread is impossible to gauge!
My HAV are fueled for the next millennium.
Honestly. All I see is "why are so tuff to hold 20 districts? Stahp making us du theengs. QQ QQ NOT FAIR"
lol you talk about people with districts having to do things but the No-showing corp has to do nothing the hypocrosy is real. |
DEATH THE KlD
Imperfect - Bastards
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Posted - 2015.08.02 19:44:00 -
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"PC is for competition" what a complete joke... CCP look at your forum scrubs advocating no shows in PC..hahaha
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Alaika Arbosa
No Context
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Posted - 2015.08.02 19:47:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Devadander wrote:Omg the tear collection factor in this thread is impossible to gauge!
My HAV are fueled for the next millennium.
Honestly. All I see is "why are so tuff to hold 20 districts? Stahp making us du theengs. QQ QQ NOT FAIR"
lol you talk about people with districts having to do things but the No-showing corp has to do nothing the hypocrosy is real.
if you want to hold district you have to work for it. if I want to hold a district all I have to do is spend command points, launch the attack, succeed in the attack and then hope no one weaponizes boredom against me.
There is no hypocrisy here, only your butt hurt
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