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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:33:00 -
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My corp is grinding out cp faster than we can use it.
As a result we have begun playing "which battle is the real battle?" A tactic you will soon see commonplace.
Nobody needs 20 districts, I don't even want one. But if I can make it hell on the ones who find it fun to hold all that land. Guess what? It becomes fun for us.
On a side note, I've thought about selling our attacks. Win win.
Prolly charge 40 mil a pop.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:53:00 -
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Just think, after 7 no shows in a row, I field a 1.4b sp team.
Profit. 
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:59:00 -
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Omg the tear collection factor in this thread is impossible to gauge!
My HAV are fueled for the next millennium.
Honestly. All I see is "why are so tuff to hold 20 districts? Stahp making us du theengs. QQ QQ NOT FAIR"
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:04:00 -
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I will be giving districts we claim away for free in my local.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:25:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Devadander wrote:Omg the tear collection factor in this thread is impossible to gauge!
My HAV are fueled for the next millennium.
Honestly. All I see is "why are so tuff to hold 20 districts? Stahp making us du theengs. QQ QQ NOT FAIR"
I think it is hilarious too. No, you can't come up with creative ways to fight us that don't fit into our paradigm of fighting!! No fair, you should be forced to fight us on our terms so we can feel good about ourselves rather than imploding due to boredom until we just give up and you can take our District when we no-show because you've successfully trained us to not pay attention!! I Love this thread. I would rather fight my way to defeat than no-show my way to victory. We are not disputing the tactic we are disputing the no-risk factor, he very foundations of PC wre built on Risk vs. Reward so why should we allow a system that does not follow that. What bothers me the most is that your wrong their is no long drawn out meta the smaller corps just can't beat the larger corps in PC, Pubs, or Fac war so the only way to fight is to not fight if the at least had an end game you could credit them with that but their is no end game, no conquest, just an abuse of the system people are exploiting the system but not for monetary game but to destroy PC in itself.
Now you have to ask yourselves.
Is he going to show up, or not?
We will be launching very real attacks. But only we know when.
You know, kind of like a surprise. You guys like surprises yes?
We just make more cp than we need. HTFU
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:27:00 -
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You could always save some stress and just buy my attacks.
Or bribe us not too.
Either one.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:30:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Kain Spero wrote:
If a corp completely no shows the CP wallet should be frozen for a period of X days (no CP in and no ability to spend CP) or a CP penalty to the wallet equivalent to the CP cost of the attack launched or a set amount that gives pause to leaving a battle completely empty.
Why...? Because they made you field sixteen people in the hopes that they'd show? I don't see a problem with it. I'm sure the argument will be 'stacked timers' but If you can't field 16 people to defend the district in a real attack than you don't deserve the district anyway. This is some of the laziest reasoning I've seen anywhere in the community, and I'm kinda surprised to see it from you Aeon. Mechanics which discourage the creation of content or fights and punish people who organize and DO show up to play the actual game are completely undesirable. PC takes people's time. Time organizing battles, managing districts, preparing for fights, and then playing them out. Everyone could spend that time doing a whole number of other things, both in game and out of it, if they're not going to get any content. Sitting around on the starmap or in a war barge waiting for a team that never appears isn't content. It's incredible that people sit around forum-warrior'ing and then deign to judge that groups of 16+ people deserve to have their time completely wasted extremely frequently, and that this is an okay situation to foster within the game mechanics. I haven't sat around providing feedback about PC for years so that we can lazily dismiss clear flaws in the design which will push Molden Heath to become even more (somehow?) of a ghost town. At the end of the day, people play this game to fight FPS battles. Encouraging an environment where that doesn't happen within the game mechanics is a fantastic way to further deflate the player base.
Next target identified.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:13:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Devadander wrote:Omg the tear collection factor in this thread is impossible to gauge!
My HAV are fueled for the next millennium.
Honestly. All I see is "why are so tuff to hold 20 districts? Stahp making us du theengs. QQ QQ NOT FAIR"
lol you talk about people with districts having to do things but the No-showing corp has to do nothing the hypocrosy is real. I mean if the community really thinks that no shows should be legit tactics I guess we just go all the way and eliminate the ability to reup on attacks with more than 100 clones. Make the defenders and attackers on equal footing about who is going to play dodge 514. 
Are you blind? The no show IS a legit tactic. Maybe some scrubs will never actually show. But for a small corp that really wants to fight, its perfect.
Break morale, wear down the enemies spirits, guerrilla warfare.
I will do some fake attacks, yes. Its up to you, the landholder, to guess when the real one comes.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:56:00 -
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WTB more buckets, 50k each.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 02:10:00 -
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Badgerr Rager wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Badgerr Rager wrote:General Mosquito wrote:Badgerr Rager wrote:I like defending no shows you fgts.... Means I die less Stat padding has always been an FA staple. I die like five times in the no shows you fscking axsholes You shoot at my tank, you get ran over. I told you the first three times, not my fault my swag gets your trigger finger popping. I get a little excited.
If I ever attack FA, it will be real the first time. o7
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 02:15:00 -
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Badgerr Rager wrote:Devadander wrote:
If I ever attack FA, it will be real the first time. o7
don't lie to me.
One of us always tells the truth, and one of us always lies.
I tell the truth, he always lies.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 06:04:00 -
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DDB and OP just learned that we aren't joking.
6 man raid paid out 887 with an avg 40k loss.
G'luck in your struggles chummer.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 06:43:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:.....boo hoo
CCP made this change to destroy the power circle.
Now that the power circle no likey, you think they are gonna change it again???
HARDEN THE FECK UP!
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 09:30:00 -
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hails8n wrote:Devadander wrote:DDB and OP just learned that we aren't joking.
6 man raid paid out 887 with an avg 40k loss.
G'luck in your struggles chummer.
Edit: so they threw 5.3 mil, plus the cost of ringers, at a six man raid, and we ran crap suits. (Except me, but spare no expense)
In my book that is epic.
Oh, and we got together 5 mins before match. Thats fine, as long as you play. I remember going 22/1 in a PC like that. Me in my proto melee commando and the other team in caldari medium and whatever. It was funny because they thought they were trolling. lul
But the next one we may not be there..... Or will we?
OoooOOooOooooOoo who knows?
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:09:00 -
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OK so here's the deal. I did some homework and discovered that alot of the no shows are people using cp simply because they are full....
Out of the small corp ceo's I talked to, a few didn't even know there was a battle in corp contracts...
But what did you expect?
None of these guys have been in the position to even think about pc before. As word spreads and more raids go down, you will see a balancing as more and more attacks become quite real. And like it or not, no show will always be there.
What happens when a cp corp actually takes a dist?.... You fecks will just dogpile on them until its yours again, so please quit bitching. No extra fees, no discussions, just deal with it. That's what us small timers have had to do for years now. Nice shoe.
Last night I was gonna no show just to rattle em, but this thread awakened an old beast. DDB fielded two members and the rest were ringers. I had my five good friends. I called a cruship. They called 3 python and 2 incubi. Proto/officer. We were bpo/adv/pro. Full on stomp mode for six guys, so much lol. (Some OP members were running bpo so o7 to them)
I knew we were screwed when all i could scrape up was six. If I was any less vocal my troops would have scattered. Me being me, all I could do was smile-bite my cig and keep holding the charge lever on ole painless. Point being, a corp with no pc experience would crap themselves facing all that in the initial rush.
You guys make it very hard to break into pc. That's a good thing. But at the same time, don't hate on people that aren't quite ready for the challenge. From our angle its pointless. If someone shows, give em respect. If they no show, think about what they would have to fight if they did.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:17:00 -
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Also.... If a corp no shows, you win. And since you guys are all so awesome, if they showed you would still win right?
Soooo take the time to get to know each other and enjoy that kdr.
Same time wasted either way.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 20:53:00 -
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I have two attacks for sale ATM, 40 million each.
How's that for sandbox?
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 22:56:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Devadander wrote:I have two attacks for sale ATM, 40 million each.
How's that for sandbox? I'll give you 10 mil just to know who would be stupid enough to pay that. And congrats on taking over Contraban Joe's long held "Biggest D-bag in Dust" title.
Nobody can take that from him.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 23:09:00 -
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Devadander wrote:I have two attacks for sale ATM, *10 million each. How's that for sandbox? 
Been a while since I saw the cost.... Corrected
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.03 23:21:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Devadander wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Devadander wrote:I have two attacks for sale ATM, 40 million each.
How's that for sandbox? I'll give you 10 mil just to know who would be stupid enough to pay that. And congrats on taking over Contraban Joe's long held "Biggest D-bag in Dust" title. We fought our first, and with the sweet pay for nothing we will most likely never waste one. Nobody can take that from him. CBJ isn't on the forums trying to convince people that no showing battles is good. He's launching plenty of no shows, but at least he's self respecting enough to not brag about it. I think the answer to the no shows should be no showing. If you take the district, you can't launch anymore free attacks. One thing is for certain, the people that do this constantly will never be allowed to hold land, ever.
We fought our first, and with the sweet payout for nothing, we most likely will never waste one.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.04 00:21:00 -
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I'll step OOC and be helpful.
The small timers have no idea what to do with cp. I have a plan to introduce them slowly to raiding, others like it and we are trying to get some steam to it.
Please be patient.
Weaponized boredom should be a thing. Should it be a thing like it is now? No.
Instead of trying to get it changed, what you really need/want are people to fight. Which is where alot of no shows come from.
People don't know what to do, especially against top corps.
People don't understand raiding, and how it can be profitable.
With all the cp being earned there's a lot of potential.
Willing to bet some of these no shows come from people with grudges. That can't be helped. All it takes is a couple channels and pc could get fairly exciting again.
I will do my part in my fave channels and local, but that won't change the universe too much.
Back to being a surly stubborn space mercenary.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.04 01:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Devadander wrote:I'll step OOC and be helpful. The small timers have no idea what to do with cp. I have a plan to introduce them slowly to raiding, others like it and we are trying to get some steam to it. Please be patient. Weaponized boredom should be a thing. Should it be a thing like it is now? No. Instead of trying to get it changed, what you really need/want are people to fight. Which is where alot of no shows come from. People don't know what to do, especially against top corps. People don't understand raiding, and how it can be profitable. With all the cp being earned there's a lot of potential. Willing to bet some of these no shows come from people with grudges. That can't be helped. All it takes is a couple channels and pc could get fairly exciting again. I will do my part in my fave channels and local, but that won't change the universe too much. Back to being a surly stubborn space mercenary. How about field the attacks? Contact some corps that you know have good FCs and ask them to bring a squad and help setup the team. It'll cost you, but it would give you some solid things to build on. If you show you are serious about PC you will find plenty of people to help out. The tone of this quoted post is much different from your early posts on the subject.
I honestly don't want to own a district. I was thinking more of the small corps just need to get together in channels and field teams with their cp.
I like raiding. Easy, quick, pays good if you play right. Hooked after last night.
Stop making me be constructive
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.04 01:44:00 -
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No tax.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.04 02:26:00 -
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I am the operator. We're a group of about 8 buds in a casual corp. Me and my directors are loaded from assets/long time play. We play pubs in mostly bpo to keep it real and keep isk positive.
This is most of the corps that don't pc.
We really don't want to be tied to defending a district constantly. Raiding is fun and lucrative. (More than pubs/fw anyway) I don't want to lead any revolutions honestly.
I see some 1v16 matches in my future. Can't wait.
And still think no-show is a valid tactic. Just not so much for me.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.04 18:22:00 -
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Sad truth is we all know about pc macros, throttling, web tethers, equipment spam, suit changing constantly, explosion spam, general nastiness.
The ability to pay for ringers, bribes, eve support, unlimited ads/HAV, etc.
All time zones covered.
Even with an A game, nobody can compete...
I'll bet alot of these no shows are from farm corps, probably people you know and don't very much care for. Some would say it was asked for.
After years of blue donut style control, what do you expect?
Already gathering to discuss changes to a system put in place to wear you down...
I'll be done with this game.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.04 19:33:00 -
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The fact that pc corps stomped any new blood out for years that managed to scrape up the isk; Simply because they got there first. Makes this priceless.
Any and all complaints were met with "hue hue, gitgud, htfu, QQ, etc"
One month of torture on the reverse and its "plsfix" time.
Lol
Do I no show? Nope.
Do I think it's hilarious?
Hell yeah!
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.04 19:42:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:hails8n wrote:Devadander wrote:Sad truth is we all know about pc macros, throttling, web tethers, equipment spam, suit changing constantly, explosion spam, general nastiness.
The ability to pay for ringers, bribes, eve support, unlimited ads/HAV, etc.
All time zones covered.
Even with an A game, nobody can compete...
I'll bet alot of these no shows are from farm corps, probably people you know and don't very much care for. Some would say it was asked for.
After years of blue donut style control, what do you expect?
Already gathering to discuss changes to a system put in place to wear you down...
I'll be done with this game. You're gonna quit playing because you cant no show, What?! I mean you don't really get to witness anything no showing, you just attack a district, no show then go play pubs. lol You're all but saying the same thing if no-shows can occur. The hypocrisy is strong in this one. Weaponized Boredom and the wait it induces is apparently the kryptonite to these kids.
This is New Eden after all.. Can't I enjoy some suffering?
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.05 14:20:00 -
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Brought nine against OP, those guys are toxic.
The fanmail was real.
Lost again, had a blast again, profited again.
However, in an interesting development; my troops wanted to bulk to 16 and re-attack 
I have access to enough rockstars we could actually take a district. I have fc in pc wins in the past. I just honestly don't want land.
I'm torn here, the troops are having fun ATM. If I make it serious, the fun will dry up. But the general tone is "lets get crazy and win a few"
No I don't need ringers, just advice. What does a captain do in this situation?
(Still happy the no shows drive men mad lol)
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.08.05 22:11:00 -
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You should see some of the fanmail from a no show.
Mana from heaven.
My brother corp did a no show and got some of the most colorful poetry ever.
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