DUST Search - Fix no show PCs...

hails8n wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

hails8n wrote:

General Mosquito wrote:

hails8n wrote:

Ok and, whats stopping people from no showing smaller corps that want to own a district? It happens to everyone, my last 5 PCs were no shows, no surprise attacks after or anything, just flat out no shows. Which is the reason I'm not playing PC.

So weaponized boredom got you to stop logging in for PC.

Op success.

That is the whole point of sending no shows, demoralize the enemy so they don't fight back.

Do you even PC? You're in NF alliance, you guys get all the no shows.

If so, whats the point of showing up to a PC if its likely to be a no show. I'm just playing smart and not wasting my time.

That's The Attorney General.

He doesn't PC much anymore, but he was no doubt a legendary tanker for PC back in his time.

I remember when him, legend, and Ken would literally sh*t on any vehicle presence when they were rolling their tanks. The terrible trio were fearsome indeed.

Then why don't you make out with him?


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General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 194	Posted - 2015.08.02 14:08:00 - [1] - Quote Why are people touchy about no shows? It is, and should remain an effective way to harass a larger, stronger group. If a corp wants to earn and then spend their CP, why should they be restricted from it because it works at making big groups salty? BTW, if you form up an hour before a PC, its your own fault for getting bored. Get better organized. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 194	Posted - 2015.08.02 15:04:00 - [2] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Eh, except a mechanic that only has the effect of "wasting time" is bad design really. If a corp is making a strategic play to weaken your resolve, it isn't about just wasting time, its about burning out your people. If they can't do it through direct combat, but they can because people won't sit around in a loud chat channel that has no controlling figures in it to get a slot, then so be it. You could always stop these multi stacked no shows if you held less territory. Kain Spero wrote: This is an FPS game built around instances of matches. If a defender no shows they loose their district. If an attacker no shows? No consequence really at all except for wasted CP. Which is a consequence, because those CP could have been spent attacking someone they think they can beat in a straight up fight. They made a choice to send an attack, and then no show. You have choices as well. Kain Spero wrote: Mechanics should encourage players to actually fight and generate content. Defenders no showing and forcing an attacker to take three days to flip a district used to be the "boredom" punishment back in PC 1.0 and it was rightly fixed with the reup mechanic. Risk aversion is never going to be beaten out of people through mechanics changes. But if you really wanted to increase competition, you would put in an arbitrary corp size limit, so that people couldn't pool together out of fear of losing. Not that it would work, but you don't increase competition by telling the weaker groups they are not allowed to harass the bigger corps because it bores them. Kain Spero wrote: You no show a defense? You loose your district. There should be a similar incentive for an attacker to at least deploy a minimal amount of forces to a PC match. If a corp completely no shows the CP wallet should be frozen for a period of X days (no CP in and no ability to spend CP) or a CP penalty to the wallet equivalent to the CP cost of the attack launched or a set amount that gives pause to leaving a battle completely empty. So you're ok with just having one person show up to a PC? They sit in their redline, no one on your team ever sees them, but at least its not a no show right? General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 202	Posted - 2015.08.02 22:16:00 - [3] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Aeon, I'm not against the ability to no show. I'm against it having no cost or consequence. It has an opportunity cost along with the CP cost. Kain Spero wrote: And this isn't an issue of more land than can be defended. This issue is cropping up for those with low district counts and high district counts alike. Where are the low district count CEOs complaining? Special forum or do they only complain to you? Kain Spero wrote: The point of CP attacks was to create low barriers to entry for organizations wanting to own land for themselves. It's intended to be used by organizations wanting to show up, fight, and break into planetary conquest. Not for throw away matches that create server cost for no good reason. Boring out a group is a perfectly good reason. Kain Spero wrote: Really though it's not hard to put people into a match for even throw away attacks. Set up a single player with a platoon and have them pull people in from wherever. Jadek had numerous raids against NF and they actually have folks show up even if it isn't a full team. What I'm getting at is that a feint is fine but sending not even one person into a match after launching an attack should have consequences. Why put people in to give you something to do? If the point of the attack is weaponized boredom, putting a squad in defeats the purpose. It is telling that the people who are against these types of tactics have all expressed a desire to remove or restrict these tactics, but not a single one of them has suggested the far simpler method of increasing CP cost. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 203	Posted - 2015.08.03 01:17:00 - [4] - Quote hails8n wrote: If you want to make no showing a tactic, which I think is moronic, We don't want to make it a tactic, it is a tactic. And a valid one. You want to plant your flag in molden heath, people have the option to bore you because you want to hold turf. Don't want to be bored by harassment, don't hold turf. No one made you take a district. You wanted it, and part of having it is that people who want to can tie you up and keep you out of pubs/fw because you feel the need to hyper organize and always be ready. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 205	Posted - 2015.08.03 01:25:00 - [5] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: At the bare minimum whether a defender or attack no shows there needs be a mechanic in place where the match auto completes giving victory to the team that bothered to put bodies in the match. Again, it's terribly easy to put people into a match (heck you can even start a pub squad) and avoid no show penalties while keeping the ability to feint and various other forms of emergent game play. Doing this would remove weaponized boredom. So just no. Raise the price of attacks, sure. Add back in an isk component, I don't see why not. It doesn't have to be extreme, but there is room to play with the costs. You don't like the strain of holding turf, don't hold it. You can't properly organize your group into chat channels to make it more manageable to deal with your overlapping matches, hold less districts. But taking away other peoples strategic options because you can't tolerate not being able to q sync FW all night because you have to defend no shows is not a solution. Its just catering to people who don't need a handout from the devs. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 205	Posted - 2015.08.03 01:39:00 - [6] - Quote Badgerr Rager wrote: I like defending no shows you fgts.... Means I die less Stat padding has always been an FA staple. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 205	Posted - 2015.08.03 01:43:00 - [7] - Quote Badgerr Rager wrote: General Mosquito wrote: Badgerr Rager wrote: I like defending no shows you fgts.... Means I die less Stat padding has always been an FA staple. I die like five times in the no shows you fscking axsholes You shoot at my tank, you get ran over. I told you the first three times, not my fault my swag gets your trigger finger popping. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 235	Posted - 2015.08.04 23:02:00 - [8] - Quote hails8n wrote: Ok and, whats stopping people from no showing smaller corps that want to own a district? It happens to everyone, my last 5 PCs were no shows, no surprise attacks after or anything, just flat out no shows. Which is the reason I'm not playing PC. So weaponized boredom got you to stop logging in for PC. Op success. That is the whole point of sending no shows, demoralize the enemy so they don't fight back. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 236	Posted - 2015.08.05 02:01:00 - [9] - Quote hails8n wrote: General Mosquito wrote: hails8n wrote: Ok and, whats stopping people from no showing smaller corps that want to own a district? It happens to everyone, my last 5 PCs were no shows, no surprise attacks after or anything, just flat out no shows. Which is the reason I'm not playing PC. So weaponized boredom got you to stop logging in for PC. Op success. That is the whole point of sending no shows, demoralize the enemy so they don't fight back. Do you even PC? You're in NF alliance, you guys get all the no shows. If so, whats the point of showing up to a PC if its likely to be a no show. I'm just playing smart and not wasting my time. Why would I PC? I don't need or want turf, and sitting in the alliance channels is bad for my sanity. I had more than enough of shitlers trying to be space Napoleon. The only way I would be involved with PC anymore is eve side, because at least there I get decent game performance. Having a competitive game mode with such inconsistent performance is laughable. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 246	Posted - 2015.08.05 18:41:00 - [10] - Quote hails8n wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: hails8n wrote: General Mosquito wrote: hails8n wrote: Ok and, whats stopping people from no showing smaller corps that want to own a district? It happens to everyone, my last 5 PCs were no shows, no surprise attacks after or anything, just flat out no shows. Which is the reason I'm not playing PC. So weaponized boredom got you to stop logging in for PC. Op success. That is the whole point of sending no shows, demoralize the enemy so they don't fight back. Do you even PC? You're in NF alliance, you guys get all the no shows. If so, whats the point of showing up to a PC if its likely to be a no show. I'm just playing smart and not wasting my time. That's The Attorney General. He doesn't PC much anymore, but he was no doubt a legendary tanker for PC back in his time. I remember when him, legend, and Ken would literally sh*t on any vehicle presence when they were rolling their tanks. The terrible trio were fearsome indeed. Then why don't you make out with him? Why are you so salty? Because you got defeated by empty teams? The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu