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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.02 09:58:00 -
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By transferring the clone pack from the people that didn't show to the people that did. Its only fair for wasting everyone's time.
I understand you're all (CCP) worried about PC farming, but on the other side of the coin people are getting screwed out of an hour setting up and then having to play through, because the other team might pull in with a full 16 at any time. So, sitting there with no isk reward, no sp, and only 200 DK(without a DK market to spend it on), is a crap waste of time.
Stop wasting everyone's time, until theres a fix I refuse to PC.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.02 10:54:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:That's really annoying I agree..
But you know, I think it's only if the team who attacks that no show that the defenders should get their clones. Some corporations sometimes get attacked 3-4 times in 30min and they can't defend all battles. They might lose a district that way so it's already an important loss. . I was thinking about that earlier,but you've solved it. Only attackers that no show forfeit their clones. Thats a complete idea that can be implemented that would totally solve no shows.
. Also if you happen to have a full 450 clone pack already, the clone pack can be divided equally between players, whatever the isk cost of that pack was. Or just do that normally and forget the clone pack transfer, but I like my 1st idea better.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:38:00 -
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Karras Hearn wrote:So many people in this thread seem to be forgetting that this is new Eden we are fighting in. This is a place where anything goes (within the bounds of game mechanics). Can you imagine the riots there would be if CCP decided to apply the same logic being presented in this thread to EVE Sov wafare? All of High Sec would burn and the summer of rage back in 2011 would seem like a minor disagreement compared to what would happen.
Forcing an opponent to chose which timer to defend has been a valid tactic since the beginning of time. And in EVE we have a better name for the tactic of denying fights: Blueballing.
Welcome to warefare in the harshest cluster of stars known to man. Welcome to New Eden. Buckle in and Harden the **** Up Yeah, but this is an Fps. Imagine playing Bf4 of something and just having no show battles back to back. No content/nothing, itd end the game due to boredom.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:46:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Devadander wrote:Omg the tear collection factor in this thread is impossible to gauge!
My HAV are fueled for the next millennium.
Honestly. All I see is "why are so tuff to hold 20 districts? Stahp making us du theengs. QQ QQ NOT FAIR"
I think it is hilarious too. No, you can't come up with creative ways to fight us that don't fit into our paradigm of fighting!! No fair, you should be forced to fight us on our terms so we can feel good about ourselves rather than imploding due to boredom until we just give up and you can take our District when we no-show because you've successfully trained us to not pay attention!! I Love this thread. I would rather fight my way to defeat than no-show my way to victory. We are not disputing the tactic we are disputing the no-risk factor, he very foundations of PC wre built on Risk vs. Reward so why should we allow a system that does not follow that. What bothers me the most is that your wrong their is no long drawn out meta the smaller corps just can't beat the larger corps in PC, Pubs, or Fac war so the only way to fight is to not fight if the at least had an end game you could credit them with that but their is no end game, no conquest, just an abuse of the system people are exploiting the system but not for monetary game but to destroy PC in itself. /facepalm Just because you say that they have no end game doesn't mean that they have no end game. It means that you want to paint them as mission grinders who simply want to waste your time and have no long term strategic goals (i.e no long drawn out meta) which will be accomplished by training you to ignore their attacks. How do you know that they don't have a long drawn out meta? Are you really the alt of some small corp scrub who really has no real PC plans? You're also wrong about there being no risk for the no-show attackers. What if the District is attacked and seized by some other corp? They've effectively lost their opportunity to weaponize boredom against you since you've lost the District before they've had the chance to take it from you with their real attack. Now they'd need to go through the whole process again with the second corp; again risking that they will lose the opportunity to another corp. It is the long gamble, not my fault you're unable to see that. If there's no determined amount of times you can no show, corps can do it forever. It can be a tactic, but corps dont really have to follow up with a real attack if they don't want to. I'm against the idea completely, because this is an fps, if theres nothing to shoot at, what's the point? I mean theres no pve in those matches.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:52:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:hails8n wrote:Karras Hearn wrote:So many people in this thread seem to be forgetting that this is new Eden we are fighting in. This is a place where anything goes (within the bounds of game mechanics). Can you imagine the riots there would be if CCP decided to apply the same logic being presented in this thread to EVE Sov wafare? All of High Sec would burn and the summer of rage back in 2011 would seem like a minor disagreement compared to what would happen.
Forcing an opponent to chose which timer to defend has been a valid tactic since the beginning of time. And in EVE we have a better name for the tactic of denying fights: Blueballing.
Welcome to warefare in the harshest cluster of stars known to man. Welcome to New Eden. Buckle in and Harden the **** Up Yeah, but this is an Fps. Imagine playing Bf4 of something and just having no show battles back to back. No content/nothing, itd end the game due to boredom. Not nearly the same. You can always do FW or pub matches which, while screwy at the moment, will at least guarantee you a fight. PC is different. It is a competitive environment where unorthodox tactics may, at times, thrive and where things will not always go as you expect or how you want them to. I understand there are modes that can guarantee you a battle. Like Kain said, Risk vs. Reward, a corp with no districts can no show attack forever with no reprucussions. They don't even have to utilize that tactic you keep bringing up, which I've never actually seen being done. If a corps going to no show attack us once, I guarantee you, 1. They probably dont have a single district, and 2. You will never see them commiting to a real attack ever.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.03 00:31:00 -
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RemingtonBeaver wrote:The current system is great. It allows for the smaller corps to coordinate real and false attacks to scatter the larger corps into a position of not being able to defend their holdings. The bigger corps should fear the masses of smaller pirate corps. That is the way it should be. In the last month I've seen more varied fights in PC than I ever have. More new names on the ground, more corps in the fray. It's no longer the monotony of one corp's A-team versus another corp's A-team over and over. The same tactics, the same fights, all while the greedy pigs of power sit back on their haunches and collect piles of ISK on the shoulders of the best 16 players in their corp. Feels good. Yeah, but do you understand? In the no show system a corp never has to attack , they can flood PC with fake matches with no intention of ever playing PC. If you want to make no showing a tactic, which I think is moronic, put a limit on the number of times a corp can no show before being forced to follow through with a real match.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.03 07:15:00 -
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Devadander wrote:DDB and OP just learned that we aren't joking.
6 man raid paid out 887 with an avg 40k loss.
G'luck in your struggles chummer.
Edit: so they threw 5.3 mil, plus the cost of ringers, at a six man raid, and we ran crap suits. (Except me, but spare no expense)
In my book that is epic.
Oh, and we got together 5 mins before match. Thats fine, as long as you play. I remember going 22/1 in a PC like that. Me in my proto melee commando and the other team in caldari medium and whatever. It was funny because they thought they were trolling. lul
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.03 23:47:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Devadander wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Devadander wrote:I have two attacks for sale ATM, 40 million each.
How's that for sandbox? I'll give you 10 mil just to know who would be stupid enough to pay that. And congrats on taking over Contraban Joe's long held "Biggest D-bag in Dust" title. Nobody can take that from him. CBJ isn't on the forums trying to convince people that no showing battles is good. He's launching plenty of no shows, but at least he's self respecting enough to not brag about it. I think the answer to the no shows should be no showing. If you take the district, you can't launch anymore free attacks. One thing is for certain, the people that do this constantly will never be allowed to hold land, ever. At this rate the planets will have to align for me to get a real PC match.
If Ccp ever gave the no show ability to defenders with no repercussions like attackers have, PC would be a wasteland.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.04 18:28:00 -
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Devadander wrote:Sad truth is we all know about pc macros, throttling, web tethers, equipment spam, suit changing constantly, explosion spam, general nastiness.
The ability to pay for ringers, bribes, eve support, unlimited ads/HAV, etc.
All time zones covered.
Even with an A game, nobody can compete...
I'll bet alot of these no shows are from farm corps, probably people you know and don't very much care for. Some would say it was asked for.
After years of blue donut style control, what do you expect? Already gathering to discuss changes to a system put in place to wear you down...
I'll be done with this game. You're gonna quit playing because you cant no show, What?! I mean you don't really get to witness anything no showing, you just attack a district, no show then go play pubs.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.04 19:58:00 -
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Devadander wrote:The fact that pc corps stomped any new blood out for years that managed to scrape up the isk; Simply because they got there first. Makes this priceless.
Any and all complaints were met with "hue hue, gitgud, htfu, QQ, etc"
One month of torture on the reverse and its "plsfix" time.
Lol
Do I no show? Nope.
Do I think it's hilarious?
Hell yeah! Ok and, whats stopping people from no showing smaller corps that want to own a district? It happens to everyone, my last 5 PCs were no shows, no surprise attacks after or anything, just flat out no shows. Which is the reason I'm not playing PC.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.05 00:47:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:hails8n wrote: Ok and, whats stopping people from no showing smaller corps that want to own a district? It happens to everyone, my last 5 PCs were no shows, no surprise attacks after or anything, just flat out no shows. Which is the reason I'm not playing PC.
So weaponized boredom got you to stop logging in for PC. Op success. That is the whole point of sending no shows, demoralize the enemy so they don't fight back.
Do you even PC? You're in NF alliance, you guys get all the no shows.
If so, whats the point of showing up to a PC if its likely to be a no show. I'm just playing smart and not wasting my time.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.05 16:30:00 -
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Devadander wrote:Brought nine against OP, those guys are toxic. The fanmail was real. Lost again, had a blast again, profited again. However, in an interesting development; my troops wanted to bulk to 16 and re-attack I have access to enough rockstars we could actually take a district. I have fc in pc wins in the past. I just honestly don't want land. I'm torn here, the troops are having fun ATM. If I make it serious, the fun will dry up. But the general tone is "lets get crazy and win a few" No I don't need ringers, just advice. What does a captain do in this situation? (Still happy the no shows drive men mad lol) I decided to only take part in attacks yesterday. So unless you have a district you'll never see me in PC.
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.05 18:27:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:hails8n wrote:General Mosquito wrote:hails8n wrote: Ok and, whats stopping people from no showing smaller corps that want to own a district? It happens to everyone, my last 5 PCs were no shows, no surprise attacks after or anything, just flat out no shows. Which is the reason I'm not playing PC.
So weaponized boredom got you to stop logging in for PC. Op success. That is the whole point of sending no shows, demoralize the enemy so they don't fight back. Do you even PC? You're in NF alliance, you guys get all the no shows. If so, whats the point of showing up to a PC if its likely to be a no show. I'm just playing smart and not wasting my time. That's The Attorney General. He doesn't PC much anymore, but he was no doubt a legendary tanker for PC back in his time. I remember when him, legend, and Ken would literally sh*t on any vehicle presence when they were rolling their tanks. The terrible trio were fearsome indeed. Then why don't you make out with him?
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hails8n
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:14:00 -
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Bump
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