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Robert Conway
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Posted - 2015.07.29 06:53:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Chosokabe Ite wrote:Amarr: The Left Hand.
Just tried to make it sound devine. Thought it would sound intimidating too.
Gallente: The (blank) Legion.
I got the Legion idea from the French Foreign Legion, and since the Federation has French roots, I thought it'd work. Couldn't come up with a full name though.
Minmatar: The Minmatar words that mean "The Enemy".
I got this idea from the Apache tribe. The name comes from the word Apachu which means "the enemy".
Caldari: The State Retainers.
This one I got from Japanese history, referencing retainers feudal lords would keep around him for protection. The idea is each megacorp would put their best immortal soldiers into one force to sever as "retainers" for them all. (The) Kilm'ach as I mentioned before is actually a Minmatar word use to refer to the Demon's the Faithful Amarr fear. Not an ideal rank especially because it is attributed to a mortal Minmatar special operations unit but it's ripped right out of the Stranded Series. The UNFINISHED Stranded Series, might I add. Something a few of us would like to see finished someday...
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Robert Conway
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Posted - 2015.07.29 07:13:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Mina! *Grabs Mina's face* Look at me Mina. You and I need to work together to make the most badass Caldari special operatives for Lore support that we can imagine. Though admittedly the idea of a specific Caldari task force for the entire state is a bit troublesome, since individual companies all have their own individual paramilitary organizations all serving individual goals. Originally the closest thing the Caldari had were the Templis Dragonaurs, who acted as highly skilled insurgents and commandos for the Caldari Expeditionary Forces. They did everything from training to espionage, and the collapse of the Provost regime forced most of them out of office and likely left a massive power vacuum in the state for a unified inter-corporate task force to provide elite operatives. Oddly enough, I the way I see it this Task Force would function more like a UN coalition type force where you see people drafted from the Ishukone Watch, Home Guard, and other private military companies to aid in an advisory capacity for the State Peacekeepers. After the Providence Directorate finally fell, I doubt anyone in the State would be particularly happy with a unified government trying to consolidate power into a join military agency like the Caldari Navy. It would also serve to make Caldari special operatives characteristically unique from any other potential tier one operatives in the other Empires. That being said, the exact naming of this sort of agency would be tricky but I have a few suggestions on how to start. First is the most obvious: Task Force ____________ <---- Insert Psuedo Finn name here It's everything right there on the tin, an elite joint task force built out of the best operatives from different corporate entities. Alternatively: __________ Pathfinders Besides the connection it bares to the elite Canadian Pathfinders (who are just plain badass even if there isn't a direct connection to the Caldari) I really like the implications it has to continuing the legacy of the Caldari Expeditionary Forces before they were reformed into the State Peacekeepers. On the surface, the Pathfinders could be shock troops ready to deploy in small teams at a moments notice to secure an area of the Peacekeepers. On the other hand, this could just be a front for 'go into an area and train and arm insurgents so we have a reason to go in and keep the peace.' There are plenty of ways you could spin it depending on your opinion of the Caldari. ___________ Highlanders Though it isn't exactly stated, I've personally always felt a deep connection existed between the Caldari history and that of the Scottish. This title would also serve as a reference to the success of Operation Highlander as a sort of tongue-in-cheek reminder never to fail in the defense of a Caldari planet ever again. Personally I'm a fan of: Task Force Perkele (Perkele was the Finn god of thunder, which highlights the role of shock troops to these forces.) Task Force Ookami (The japanese world for wolf, which highlights traditional caldari wolfpack tactics.) Suribachi Pathfinders / Suribachi Highlanders (In honor of the battle of Iwo Jima) Goryo Highlanders (I'm gonna side with Jerry. I like the term Goryo, but I have mix feelings about calling an elite strike force simple 'enforcers') Simo Pathfinders (In honor of the legendary Winter War sniper nicknamed 'White Death' by the invading Red Army) Alternatively we have the names of special forces from the nations that the Caldari were born from. These include: The Teishin Shudan commandos of imperial Japan. Or alternative the J+ñ+ñk+ñrirykmentti of the Utti Jaeger Regiment, but suffice to say this is a mouth full so it might be best to settle for simply 'Jaegers' which still sounds pretty badass to me. Really any combination of these ideas would make me happy. The ethnic background of the Caldari is something really important to me, and I would be overjoyed if CCP would take these ideas into consideration when forming this living world that we all enjoy. I'm not a Caldari loyalist, but anything to do with creating lore excites me. I agree with many of your point. I think a good analogy could be this. Only in a desperate time of war did the United States ever have a Five Star General. In service today, there are only Four Star Generals. So only in great times of need could the Mega corporations come together and form a centralist group of elites to repel the threat. Once the threat is gone, the group would disband until called upon again, thus giving the power back to the mega corporations. Am i kind of getting the jist of your idea?
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2015.07.29 08:21:00 -
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Not really, but that is one argument. My mindset for the whole idea of an intercorperate task force is that ultimately the Peacekeepers are still in need of specialized agents to replace the void left by the removal of the Templis and the Caldari Expeditionary Forces, but no one wants a centralized government because the last time that happened Heth ran the State into the ground.
Therefore, instead of a unified agency loyal only to the business tribunal and the Providence Directorate it's more like a loose coalition of soldiers who all represent the interests of their own corporation coming together to reach common goals.
An important thing to remember is that the Caldari megacorperations are the spiritual successor to the Raata Empire, which was extremely similar to a Japanese daimyo but run under meritocratic rulers. Just like how different groups of samurai would join forces if Japan was ever threatened, so too would the megacorperations.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.29 08:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
And this is why I put no stock in this process. This isn't lore. It's an en masse submission of random and fanciful names supplied by the community with no context or purpose and wholly separate from EVE in its entirety.
Rather than focus on introducing and arbitrary series of titles that have no purpose and provide no insight into the universe of New Eden why not focus on actually bringing the context, story arcs, and histories of existing New Eden content into the fore of Dust. We've tried this before and no one was happy with the previous results.
Honestly, even though I'm adding all the suggested terminology I can find in this thread, I'm doing so begrudgingly and only because I know that someone would moan. Some of the suggestions are just awful.
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Even ISD Mercury doesn't get that luxury and they have to go through an insanely rigorous application process concerning the lore just to get their white tags. We're talking like cryptic stuff like, "What was the name of the person who was tortured to death by three Gallentean Government officials?" and "Why was the Wartime Powers Act instituted in the Federation?"
ISD Mercury works almost exclusively on the wiki and writes short World News articles which still have to go through CCP for editing before being officially posted. The only people who can write big-time lore like Chronicles and what not is CCP and CCP alone.
Even still, it would be incredibly difficult to get any official lore done at all right now. It is public information that there is a strong drive to undo all the damage to the Lore that was caused by Tony Gonsalez (the author behind Empyrean Age and Templar One) and the lore team is working adamantly to retcon or nyx a lot of the contradictory lore stuff.
For instance the Terran Superweapon which Empyress Jamyl used to knock out an entire Republic Elder Fleet with the push of a button that she got from cloaked Terran ship wrecks that were floating around the New Eden gate that no-one had previously discovered because #reasons. The same Terran Superweapon that was fueled by the mysterious Isogen-5 which when her ship exploded because the Thukkers were chasing the Blood Raiders who were chasing a Scientific Vessel that found the Amarr Flagship being protected by Rogue Drones who were sentient and aware of their presence ultimately coalescing to the destruction of the ship that thereby caused seven or eight entire -STARS- to go super nova for no ****ing reason which then caused the Seyllin Incident and hundreds if not thousands of wormholes to open up revealing the Sleepers who guarded all sort of awesome, OP as **** technology that could be used to make T3 Cruisers BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY the infantry clone technology that we use in Dust 514 today that originally couldn't be reverse engineered so all four factions simultaneously (with the help of capsuleers) committed mass genocide on the Sleepers to get their implants through their own immortal infantry projects that ticked the Sleepers off and made them start doing -THE EXACT SAME THING TO US- to make the Drifters...............................
You see where this is going? One stupid Super Weapon written into the lore by TonyG did all of that.
Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Aeon - will you add us to the Trello or do you just want succinct lists by faction in this thread and you add them?
I'm hesitant to add anyone else because we already have a boat-load of suggested terminology and I don't want to show favoritism by allowing someone free reign over the Trello. I'm already considering adding additional labels or outright nyxxing some suggested terms due to potential problems with some of the suggestions as it is.
For instance, there are a few that clearly do not consider suggestion number 1, and if these suggested terms are to be used for Kill Feed ranks then it'll look something like this:
Aeon Amadi [Special Operations Capable] (Duvolle Assault Rifle) Jaysyn Larrisen
There are a few that borrow from existing lore or in-game assets, which would anger a lot of the people who delve into the Lore. For instance, I've seen Kameira proposed a few times in this thread and the reason I won't add them is because Kameiras, while Amarrian elite infantry, are almost exclusively Minmatar. They are trained from birth to become unthinking super soldiers that will off themselves at the first opportunity if they catch themselves beginning to question the scriptures.
So adding that as a suggestion assumes that any mercenary who got to the highest rank of FW is of that same heritage - which is total bupkis. But further more it a pre-existing lore entity AND an actual in-game entity as there is an NPC Corporation called Kameira Lodge. Which is already sketchy in and of itself if you read the description.
We also have a few that (even I suggested) are far too specific, such as Varyag for the Minmatar Republic. Which, if you do a little research you'll find that Varyag was the name given by the Greeks to the mercenaries that are the descendants of the Vikings. They were heavy shock troops that excelled in combat. I figured the name was fitting but when I suggested it to the guys from ISD Mercury they stated that it was very very specific and culturally infused, which is the problem with a LOT of Caldari suggestions.
That sort of thing you have to be careful about because the real life culture could look at that and get really, REALLY aggravated if it's translated wrong. One dude in the Slack channel actually proposed 'Kamikaze' because it meant 'divine wind' but that isn't what it means to most if not all Americans, so I neglected to add it for obvious reasons.
I've run out of room to mention the rest.
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Galm Fae
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Posted - 2015.07.29 08:45:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote: That sort of thing you have to be careful about because the real life culture could look at that and get really, REALLY aggravated if it's translated wrong. One dude in the Slack channel actually proposed 'Kamikaze' because it meant 'divine wind' but that isn't what it means to most if not all Americans, so I neglected to add it for obvious reasons.
I've run out of room to mention the rest.
I am American, my father was in the Navy, I am a cadet in the armed forces, and I spent four years of my life working in a Naval Aviation museum in Pearl Harbor with veterans of the Pacific theater and I wouldn't give a damn if you named something 'Kamikaze' because I understand the cultural significance behind what the divine wind meant to the Japanese before an imperialist government decided to throw teenagers in airplanes at aircraft carriers. Not to mention the fact that the suicidal implications would have altered massively in the thousands of years between WWII and the formation of the Caldari State. Just sayin'.
Also, how are you in contact with Mercury? I've never heard of a DUST member being affiliated or having contact with the ISD or Mercury in the past, so color me skeptical.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.29 09:32:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: That sort of thing you have to be careful about because the real life culture could look at that and get really, REALLY aggravated if it's translated wrong. One dude in the Slack channel actually proposed 'Kamikaze' because it meant 'divine wind' but that isn't what it means to most if not all Americans, so I neglected to add it for obvious reasons.
I've run out of room to mention the rest.
I am American, my father was in the Navy, I am a cadet in the armed forces, and I spent four years of my life working in a Naval Aviation museum in Pearl Harbor with veterans of the Pacific theater and I wouldn't give a damn if you named something 'Kamikaze' because I understand the cultural significance behind what the divine wind meant to the Japanese before an imperialist government decided to throw teenagers in airplanes at aircraft carriers. Not to mention the fact that the suicidal implications would have altered massively in the thousands of years between WWII and the formation of the Caldari State. Just sayin'. Also, how are you in contact with Mercury? I've never heard of a DUST member being affiliated or having contact with the ISD or Mercury in the past, so color me skeptical.
You might not but others might and I think it's generally assumed to be in poor taste either way.
I'm in contact with Mercury because I've played Eve Online for nine years, actually -applied- to be with Mercury a while back, talked with them at Fanfest, still talk with them on Slack/Twitter, etc. Hope that addresses your skepticism.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.07.29 09:45:00 -
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So within 4 pages we've come to the same thing we have in all previous threads. No one can agree on things.
My suggestions (at least in regards to caldari it seems) are too specific and 'culturally charged' (which I will agree to an extent on both), but I wont stand for other suggestions because I find them to be trite, bland, insipid or otherwise dumb. You may not have been referring to me aeon, but it certainly feels like it, and yeah I have to point back to those lists of NPC ships or even in game stuff like "Onikanabo brigade" (a dust side cal npc corp).
Others are inaccurate as hell, but people LOEV them because they get to be Mr. Exclusiarch Inquisitor Paladin standing on their end of the battlefield screaming "REDEEM THEM WITH SWORD AND FIRE!!!!".
It is incredibly annoying that no one ever agrees on things in regards to this, largely because there's little more strictly defining criteria. Really wanting to echo True here and go "this is something I don't want done if we can't do it right or fairly" and wash my hands of it but silencing my own voice by walking away in frustration accomplishes nothing.
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2015.07.29 09:48:00 -
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You are mostly thinking some kind of formal FW titles so I will clarify, but a few were on the right track. It was my question so I am to blame.
I am thinking more royal guard, or special forces types of secret undercover groups, or covert mercs in the employ of the Factions.
Black Water and Halliburton are much closer to what I am thinking.
Also, I am thinking in parallel to existing or old style of behind the scenes protectors like the Swiss guard or Emperor's Custodians, even the Three Musqueteers or the French Foreign Legion.
There is also the legend of the Varangians, who were swedish vikings forming the Bodyguard of the Byzantine Emperors in Constantinople.
Then of course Seals (Black Eagles) , Rangers *could be (Pathfinders).
I am not sure where I will end up using it, but I am curious whether we have this in New Eden lore, and what is our leeway.
One Mercenary could worm himself into the Empress's bodyguard, there is nothing that says that couldnt happen, even if its not an achievable goal for every mercenary.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.07.29 09:50:00 -
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^So essentially we're naming groups rather than more individual/personal titles.
Stuff like maroons, musketeers, franks (after their francisca's)
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2015.07.29 09:53:00 -
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Mina Longstrike wrote:^So essentially we're naming groups rather than more individual/personal titles.
Stuff like maroons, musketeers, franks (after their francisca's) Precisely
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.29 09:54:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:You are mostly thinking some kind of formal FW titles so I will clarify, but a few were on the right track. It was my question so I am to blame.
I am thinking more royal guard, or special forces types of secret undercover groups, or covert mercs in the employ of the Factions.
Black Water and Halliburton are much closer to what I am thinking.
Also, I am thinking in parallel to existing or old style of behind the scenes protectors like the Swiss guard or Emperor's Custodians, even the Three Musqueteers or the French Foreign Legion.
There is also the legend of the Varangians, who were swedish vikings forming the Bodyguard of the Byzantine Emperors in Constantinople.
Then of course Seals (Black Eagles) , Rangers *could be (Pathfinders).
I am not sure where I will end up using it, but I am curious whether we have this in New Eden lore, and what is our leeway.
One Mercenary could worm himself into the Empress's bodyguard, there is nothing that says that couldnt happen, even if its not an achievable goal for every mercenary.
Very interesting implications. But yeah, as I suggested earlier, Varyag (another word for Varangian) would probably be really good for that use then.
One thing I will mention about the Black Eagles is that they're actually -above- the SEALs in a degree because the Black Eagles are for Black Ops sort of stuff. Whereas the SEALs are meant for special operations that you might not hear about unless it's some prolific stuff (like the Osama Bin Laden takedown) Black Ops is more along the lines of stuff you -will never hear about- because of the implications involved, such as internal assassinations and what not. They're super shady and especially terrifying.
Quote:They make you watch it all, man. They make you watch through the eyes of the person you killed. It's all for show, really, but they do it so well. I saw the guy come in, brush his teeth, kiss his son good night... then I felt my bullet go into his skull just seconds after it shattered the window. Back when I'd shot him, you know, I didn't know anything... all I saw was a man leaning down in the spot where I'd been told he would be, then I squeezed the trigger, twice to make sure, and got the hell out of there. But they had to make me relive it all through this bullshit virtual scenario. They want you to know that you're gonna be called upon to kill innocent people, good people, Federation people, and that you have to be comfortable with doing it because it serves the greater good. Whatever the **** that's even supposed to mean. GÇöAudio transcript from "Agent Mornay," alleged Black Eagle defector
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Posted - 2015.07.29 10:31:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:^So essentially we're naming groups rather than more individual/personal titles.
Stuff like maroons, musketeers, franks (after their francisca's) Precisely What's the true purpose of this thread?
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Omega Nox
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2015.07.29 10:32:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:You are mostly thinking some kind of formal FW titles so I will clarify, but a few were on the right track. It was my question so I am to blame.
I am thinking more royal guard, or special forces types of secret undercover groups, or covert mercs in the employ of the Factions.
Black Water and Halliburton are much closer to what I am thinking.
Also, I am thinking in parallel to existing or old style of behind the scenes protectors like the Swiss guard or Emperor's Custodians, even the Three Musqueteers or the French Foreign Legion.
There is also the legend of the Varangians, who were swedish vikings forming the Bodyguard of the Byzantine Emperors in Constantinople.
Then of course Seals (Black Eagles) , Rangers *could be (Pathfinders).
I am not sure where I will end up using it, but I am curious whether we have this in New Eden lore, and what is our leeway.
One Mercenary could worm himself into the Empress's bodyguard, there is nothing that says that couldnt happen, even if its not an achievable goal for every mercenary.
Blackwater is now Academie, but at one time known as Xe.
I suggested ZA, which is a bio-engineering Eve corp stock ticker, followed by SOG, or even STG.
its is also a place holder for logical reasoning to drones and their lore.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.29 11:08:00 -
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Honestly, CCP Rattati, you should probably hit up ISD Mercury - I'm sure they'd love the opportunity to offer up their expertise for something like this. Rather than the Dust 514 community spitballing =P
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Posted - 2015.07.29 11:24:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
One Mercenary could worm himself into the Empress's bodyguard, there is nothing that says that couldnt happen, even if its not an achievable goal for every mercenary.
FEW and only very loyal few could potentially have the honor of doing so but so long as this is a 'special unit' Dust 514 players can join you are potentially insinuating hundred of us have a direct line to the Empress.....something capsuleer's have not ever even had.
I'm not sure I can get behind a suitable reason for the Dust 514 cloned soldier to personally protect the Empress or an Heir themselves but I can get behind the next best thing. Holders. Essentially the highest ranking noble in each family or branch of the family given the authority to rule over continents, worlds, and entire slave populations.
While there is nothing to say it 'couldn't happen' there is also nothing to suggest it likely would especially when you could make Immortal Clones of say indoctrinated Kameira unit who have superior discipline and loyalty to the throne than a Dust merc. Still I'll take the notions to PIE and come back with some responses from them.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.29 11:48:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
One Mercenary could worm himself into the Empress's bodyguard, there is nothing that says that couldnt happen, even if its not an achievable goal for every mercenary.
Perhaps though if this presents an attainable rank or joinable sect in Dust 514 then you are potentially insinuating that hundred of individual cloned soldiers might be able to attain this rank. As you say while there is no reason to state unequivocally that this is impossible to attain there is also no reason to suspect it is possible. More than likely if the Empress required such soldiers as her personal guard then candidates would be drawn from regiments under the direct mandate of the Emperor Family or even Kameiras all of whom would be significantly more disciplined, zealously dogmatic, and utterly loyal. Also giving Dust 514 players a direct line to the Empress in terms of in game lore I think would be met rather poorly by our Capsuleer parallels. In this instance I suggest you look two levels down. Neither the Empress nor the Heirs would likely be caught dead with out kind at their sides though Holders, the High Nobility of the Empire might certainly call upon us for protection and other such activities That being said I'll still take this question back to PIE Inc and Samira, She Who Knows Ten-Thousand Things and see how they both feel about the concept and what they can dig up.
Samira is on Slack right now, I'll throw a link to your post at her.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Honestly, CCP Rattati, you should probably hit up ISD Mercury - I'm sure they'd love the opportunity to offer up their expertise for something like this. Rather than the Dust 514 community spitballing =P Or we could, you know, actually place stock into what some of our community members are saying here instead of passing the buck off to a Mercury team that (as far as I can tell) doesn't give a damn about the DUST 514 community?
I mean... Yes, Mercury should be kept in the loop and our suggestions should be confirmed by them before some sort of canon implementation into lore. Especially since, I suspect, established lore like this would make an excellent opportunity for a 'Methods of Torture' type lore series that delves into different special forces teams across New Eden. But I think passing the buck off to them is just lame when we already have a lot of people here who legitimately care and have put forward good suggestions to represent their Empire.
Also, was it not obvious to you guys that this wasn't anything like a FW title threadt? The way I interpenetrated it from the start is that this would all just be in the way of story, with a possible implementation in the future for rank events like Mordu's Trials or maybe some sort of mention in The Scope. Which means all this butthurt 'it's too convoluted' arguments against some people's suggestions is all bull, so can everyone stop being so obstinate and actually try to get something done here?
That being said, we don't call it the Caldari Kaigun, we all it the Caldari Navy. (Unless you're writing in Napanii.) As much as I love love love remaining lore accurate, I'd be perfectly happy with settling for something like the Caldari Pathfinders / Caldari Jaegers.
I'd be very happy in fact. Incredibly happy. Overjoyed would be an accurate term.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.07.29 20:08:00 -
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^I had my suspicions about if we were doing something like naming groups of elites or if we were doing something like re-hashing titles.
But yeah, being as this is more akin to naming 40k chapters, aspect shrines, officio assassinorum, guard regiments, farsight enclaves, dark eldar cabals and the like I think that we could end up with some more agreement in areas.
We won't need to out of hand dismiss the more 'flavorful' things because we have stuff like "Onikanabo brigade" already.
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Posted - 2015.07.29 21:05:00 -
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Empress Sworn?
Executive Security?
Council Huntsmen?
TALON?
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.07.29 21:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Empress Sworn?
Executive Security?
Council Huntsmen?
TALON?
For the Minmatar would there been an official lore to draw from that could see the root of 'true' from Sanmatar meshed with 'hunter' or 'huntsmen'.
Sanmatar means 'true Matar' but is a title given to the sole leader of the Minmatar and was previously a defunct title until Maleatu Shakor reinstated it.
And just for those who play FFXIV........
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sultan Sworn?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.07.29 21:28:00 -
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Taskforce Phoenix for the Gallente? Seems fitting, to me, at least.
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Posted - 2015.07.29 21:29:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Honestly, CCP Rattati, you should probably hit up ISD Mercury - I'm sure they'd love the opportunity to offer up their expertise for something like this. Rather than the Dust 514 community spitballing =P Or we could, you know, actually place stock into what some of our community members are saying here instead of passing the buck off to a Mercury team that (as far as I can tell) doesn't give a damn about the DUST 514 community? I mean... Yes, Mercury should be kept in the loop and our suggestions should be confirmed by them before some sort of canon implementation into lore. Especially since, I suspect, established lore like this would make an excellent opportunity for a 'Methods of Torture' type lore series that delves into different special forces teams across New Eden. But I think passing the buck off to them is just lame when we already have a lot of people here who legitimately care and have put forward good suggestions to represent their Empire.
^This +1 I need your pub chat. Lol
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2015.07.29 21:54:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Empress Sworn?
Executive Security?
Council Huntsmen?
TALON? For the Minmatar would there been an official lore to draw from that could see the root of 'true' from Sanmatar meshed with 'hunter' or 'huntsmen'. Sanmatar means 'true Matar' but is a title given to the sole leader of the Minmatar and was previously a defunct title until Maleatu Shakor reinstated it. And just for those who play FFXIV........ Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sultan Sworn?
Well at least FFXIV free paladins aren't lawful stupid :P also lot so many other cliches have been overdone; seeker; keeper; hand of ect ect to which I will blame DnD and subsequent inspired on. Rather have sworn than custodies in subligars.
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Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:15:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Taskforce Phoenix for the Gallente? Seems fitting, to me, at least.
Phoenix's are caldari in eve (its their dreadnought).
Elysian First Responders for gal?
My names are probably more suited for corps though. Maybe we could do more improving here though.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:22:00 -
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Pretty sure we argued that Elysians was more appropriate Amarr nickname for the immortal soldiers. (as the immortal pilots get Emperyians)
As for Pheonix it really belongs to the Caldari; both culturally and figuratively for a nation that almost got annihilated by the much larger Gallente Federation.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:26:00 -
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Empyreans referred to all immortals from the amarr perspective. Elysians is a Greek mythology tie-in as much as einherjar for the min.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Empress Sworn?
Executive Security?
Council Huntsmen?
TALON? For the Minmatar would there been an official lore to draw from that could see the root of 'true' from Sanmatar meshed with 'hunter' or 'huntsmen'. Sanmatar means 'true Matar' but is a title given to the sole leader of the Minmatar and was previously a defunct title until Maleatu Shakor reinstated it. And just for those who play FFXIV........ Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sultan Sworn?
Well at least FFXIV free paladins aren't lawful stupid :P also lot so many other cliches have been overdone; seeker; keeper; hand of ect ect to which I will blame DnD and subsequent inspired on. Rather have sworn than custodies in subligars. Some entry level ideas Sanctum Squires Corporate Cohorts Ratatoskr Recon Sable Pinion and some mid range things Principal Palmach Task Force Directive Clans Coterie Argos Brigade *notation making stuff up based on my current knowledge my lore level is only lvl 3 general knowledge progressing towards 4 but its been very difficult without RPing. This can hopefully inspire better names and mixes of hte like.
Not sure I'd enjoy being a Squire.....would seem like a demotion from Templar.
However the concept of cohorts does intrigue me. I went through the unfinished Amarrad Primer to see if I could piece anything together but I doubt the results will be particularly popular especially since the primer is not PF.
I got bored and was fusing words which just resulted in Ecclesiarch and Hussars into Eclessars......
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Not sure a soldier would enjoy being a Squire.....would seem like a demotion from Templar, Cyber Knight, Kameira. However the concept of cohorts does intrigue me. I went through the unfinished Amarrad Primer to see if I could piece anything together but I doubt the results will be particularly popular especially since the primer is not PF. I got bored and was fusing words which just resulted in Ecclesiarch and Hussars into Eclessars......
Well I am not sure if this is true but I dont think that if you are a black belt in one school of Martial arts they'd give you a black belt in another if anything they will start you back at their lowest 'belt'.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:53:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Not sure a soldier would enjoy being a Squire.....would seem like a demotion from Templar, Cyber Knight, Kameira. However the concept of cohorts does intrigue me. I went through the unfinished Amarrad Primer to see if I could piece anything together but I doubt the results will be particularly popular especially since the primer is not PF. I got bored and was fusing words which just resulted in Ecclesiarch and Hussars into Eclessars...... Well I am not sure if this is true but I dont think that if you are a black belt in one school of Martial arts they'd give you a black belt in another if anything they will start you back at their lowest 'belt'.
Valid point.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.07.29 23:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Not sure a soldier would enjoy being a Squire.....would seem like a demotion from Templar, Cyber Knight, Kameira. However the concept of cohorts does intrigue me. I went through the unfinished Amarrad Primer to see if I could piece anything together but I doubt the results will be particularly popular especially since the primer is not PF. I got bored and was fusing words which just resulted in Ecclesiarch and Hussars into Eclessars...... Well I am not sure if this is true but I dont think that if you are a black belt in one school of Martial arts they'd give you a black belt in another if anything they will start you back at their lowest 'belt'.
Martial artist here: Generally there's an aptitude & knowledge test and you'll probably start off at a middle level unless its an incredibly different fighting style (capoeira -> jiyu jutsu is one where a large chunk doesn't translate).
Competence (and rank) are something that transfer well.
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