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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Just a couple thoughts on this:
1) The Amarr seems in the best shape in terms of ranks and titles. No lack of Paladin, Crusader, Templar, Seraph, Cyber Knight, Empresses Hand, etc that you can dip into.

2) The Minmatar have some pretty good options on the table by dipping into animal (Ghost Wolves), forces of nature (Dust Devils), weapons (Shield Chief, Dagger Captain, etc), or specific tribal pieces (Thukker Long Hunter, Brutor Khan). You could mix in a bit of Viking-esqe titles such as "Jarl" but i recommend keeping it a little bit less culturally specific (more on this in a sec).

3) The Gallante start getting a little thin once you get past the Black Eagles if you are going pure lore. I think you may want to branch out with some other titles that hit the vibe of the Gallante that evoke the glam democratic facade they have. How about something like Icon, Warbird, Patriot, or Liberator.

4) Finally the Caldari - I think arguably the most difficult since folks drive to very obscure and difficult to understand Fino-Nipponese mish mashes. My opinion is that you need to keep this less culturally specific to our viewpoint and again go more for the vibe. As noted by others rarely do the Caldari ships have these type of monikers so why should we? Some examples for Caldari Mercs: Operative, Privateer, Raptor Commander, Longstrike Specialist, Veteran Contractor.

Again...this is my opinion and i'm quite keen to help out with this.

Aeon Amadi wrote:

A few suggestions on suggesting terminology:

1) It should be short and sweet so that it looks nice on the kill feed.
2) It shouldn't be too generic, as these are terms for the Elite.
3) It shouldn't be too specific.
4) It shouldn't be copying something pre-existing, like a Ship Name or a Lore Entity.
5) The factional cultures are more than the mythologies they draw names from.

Also, fixed the Trello to be public. Thanks KAGE.


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MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 13:03:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: What would be the toughest types of mercs/soldiers that earn their way to being the absolute highest ranks within each Faction Let's say the Empress's Bodyguards, or the Navy Seals of Gallente, etc. What could be a cool name for these types of elite soldiers per Faction. Feel free to inspire me Amarr: Echelon, Templars, Chosen, I'm of course a huge fan of the W40k mythos and always loved the concept of power curve human>human soldier>human hero without enhancement> space marine > space marine hero > primarch > custodian (elite bodyguard) > emperor Amarr: Templars, Paladins, Truthspeakers, Reclaimers. This one is a hard category because as established in previous threads - amarr are a hot mess linguistically (persian / abrahamic and latin influences) Gallente: Elysians, Furies, Trophimoi. I particularly enjoy furies because of how the gallente love that chaos oriented theme. Minmatar: Thane, Draugr, Vaettr, Einherjar. Maybe there could be a group named after a specific weapon they use because that's a common theme to the minmatar (similar to the franks and the francisca - their throwing axe). Caldari: (amusingly I'm having the most difficult one with this because of their super corporate ties). So uh... Kirjuun (means comrade in caldari language... no nepotism here >_>), Kugy+ì (Most powerful men in a court), Kamaitachi (wind-weasel - works for stealthy groups i guess and fits in with animal naming schemes)... and then Rasetsu. I am entirely biased here though and this is a messy category. Sticking kind of with the general toughness (that breakin brings up) I'd put Rasetsu units at the top: These guys were the ones that probably liked it just a bit "too much" to re-integrate back into civilian life after their military service period (think eldar exarchs, they cant separate their personality from "WAR" anymore). You only field these guys when you want everything dead. This is the general feeling you should get from them. The mere connotation of the name is that they are immortals of sheer hate and violence and they 'feed' off of death, trascending the karmic cycle of to become beings of death. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 13:16:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I do have a question CCP Rattati if you would indulge me. What is the purpose for this? Seconded... Is this for a new novel? or are we naming new NPC groups? Are these for new suits? player ranks? wat.. because we've had some pretty long and lengthy discussions about this before. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 13:36:00 - [3] - Quote ^They are primarily judges and arbitrators, but I see no reason that a person couldn't be promoted from them into the ranks of the immortal clone soldiers. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 19:18:00 - [4] - Quote Balistyc Farshot wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: What would be the toughest types of mercs/soldiers that earn their way to being the absolute highest ranks within each Faction Let's say the Empress's Bodyguards, or the Navy Seals of Gallente, etc. What could be a cool name for these types of elite soldiers per Faction. Feel free to inspire me Amarr: Echelon, Templars, Chosen, I'm of course a huge fan of the W40k mythos and always loved the concept of power curve human>human soldier>human hero without enhancement> space marine > space marine hero > primarch > custodian (elite bodyguard) > emperor The fact that you know W40k that well, impresses me. You could have put in Space Marine Arbiter or Space Marine Librarian before primarch, but I guess that is the custodian grouping. Also, inquisitor is missing in the human levels, but nerding out here. Well 40k has a strange heirarchy of power where power comes from the top and trickles down. Emperor High lords of terra = Highest ranking ad mech on mars = Primarchs Highest ranking inquisitors = Officio Assassinorum heads = lords of terra = Space marine chapter masters (though they defer to most of the rest) = Slightly lower ranking ad mech of mars Highest ranking Imperial guard members = Highest ranking ecclesiarchy = Highest ranking rogue traders = people who govern constellations (ranked based on constellation) etc Planetary governors and stuff like lord commisars etc Highest ranking adeptus arbites etc It starts with the emperor, then goes terra & mars and then branches out and trickles down from there until you get to the common person. It's totally unlike the power structures of our world where it's built from the ground up (people -> leaders -> elected representatives etc). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:03:00 - [5] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: says "Board not found." EDIT: Also I'm glad that someone else realizes that the best way to name Minmatar things is not just throwing in a bunch of hard to pronounce Norse words, and that there are other inspirations for the names. Hey, I realise that. I'm just inclined towards some of those things, I'm aware of their associations with weapons & weather but lacking in suggestions I feel are as good as others. A "musketeer" is one of the styles of thing that could be conceivably be associated with the minmatar... Maybe fusileer or something. Or some other similar type stuff. Maybe 'creating' a matari style name for nova knives and referring to a scout by it would work. I'm also not sure how to approach the 'weather" angle, maybe a reference to volcano's or something? tectonic movement? Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Just a couple thoughts on this: 1) The Amarr seems in the best shape in terms of ranks and titles. No lack of Paladin, Crusader, Templar, Seraph, Cyber Knight, Empresses Hand, etc that you can dip into. 2) The Minmatar have some pretty good options on the table by dipping into animal (Ghost Wolves), forces of nature (Dust Devils), weapons (Shield Chief, Dagger Captain, etc), or specific tribal pieces (Thukker Long Hunter, Brutor Khan). You could mix in a bit of Viking-esqe titles such as "Jarl" but i recommend keeping it a little bit less culturally specific (more on this in a sec). 3) The Gallante start getting a little thin once you get past the Black Eagles if you are going pure lore. I think you may want to branch out with some other titles that hit the vibe of the Gallante that evoke the glam democratic facade they have. How about something like Icon, Warbird, Patriot, or Liberator. 4) Finally the Caldari - I think arguably the most difficult since folks drive to very obscure and difficult to understand Fino-Nipponese mish mashes. My opinion is that you need to keep this less culturally specific to our viewpoint and again go more for the vibe. As noted by others rarely do the Caldari ships have these type of monikers so why should we? Some examples for Caldari Mercs: Operative, Privateer, Raptor Commander, Longstrike Specialist, Veteran Contractor. Again...this is my opinion and i'm quite keen to help out with this. 1) Lots of agreement here. 2) Minmatar are also quite good 3) There's a HUGE wealth of greek/roman inspired names to draw from. 4) Agreed. I am entirely willing to concede that I jump to more obscure stuff, but if you look at caldari NPC ships you'll see why ('state shurikens, state wakizashi, etc, here's a list, frig, destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser, battleship). It might not have been entirely transparent and I apologize for that, but I was operating based on previously established information. Now I COULD get behind "Longstrike specialist" though, because I had actually named this character after a T'au from wh40k called "longstrike" as one of his titles - he was a tank user that destroyed a whole imperial tank batallion & a titan solo, after losing his bonded family. So titles based on deed could work well. Aeon Amadi wrote: A few suggestions on suggesting terminology: 1) It should be short and sweet so that it looks nice on the kill feed. 2) It shouldn't be too generic, as these are terms for the Elite. 3) It shouldn't be too specific. 4) It shouldn't be copying something pre-existing, like a Ship Name or a Lore Entity. 5) The factional cultures are more than the mythologies they draw names from. Also, fixed the Trello to be public. Thanks KAGE. Largely agreed on most points. I have a hardon for mythologies though and they work for some cultures. I don't think anything should be dismissed out of hand (which kind of makes me upset for the voting system but w/e). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:04:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: True Adamance wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: 1) The Amarr seems in the best shape in terms of ranks and titles. No lack of Paladin, Crusader, Templar, Seraph, Cyber Knight, Empresses Hand, etc that you can dip into. I cannot substantiate anything relating to Seraph or Empresses Hand though I must admit neither sounds particularly likely to actually be a rank within the Imperial/Empire military. Which I reiterate once more Dust 514 players are not a part of in any official capacity. True, I should have clarified. I was mixing known New Eden lore and titles that were more in the spirit of things. I am often a mild lore stickler but in this case i think Dust players should have a little creative license to make this something unique to us. And this is why I put no stock in this process. This isn't lore. It's an en masse submission of random and fanciful names supplied by the community with no context or purpose and wholly separate from EVE in its entirety. Rather than focus on introducing and arbitrary series of titles that have no purpose and provide no insight into the universe of New Eden why not focus on actually bringing the context, story arcs, and histories of existing New Eden content into the fore of Dust. We've tried this before and no one was happy with the previous results. Agreeeeeed. I'd rather avoid another flamewar because certain people have 'badwrongfun' and like 'badwrongthings'. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:22:00 - [7] - Quote ^You can create lore blurbs for your own submissions Jaysyn. I think that's a somewhat reasonable way to do it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.28 22:44:00 - [8] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Agreed, Mina. I have no issue with it and if a blurb need to be created I don't mind taking a shot. That said, I honestly think we collectively overthink and dissect it with too fine a scalpel every time Rattati gives us an opening on these types of things. I think Aeon's rules on his proposed Trello are fairly practical and work well. For the most part, I agree. but I'm already pretty butthurt over stuff like "grenadier, scout sniper, elite" and other things being present largely because I feel like they lack impact. While I also mostly agree that these cultures are more than just their respective mythologies that is an excellent place to start especially if you want to learn who these groups are in terms of their linguistics and cultural inspirations, I almost feel like that suggestion is pretty dismissive and were it to be abided by we'd end up seeing some pretty bland and generic things (at least from my perspective). I mean the amarr are more than just "OMG ROME" **, but every time lists come up we get "PALADIN INQUISITOR PRAETORIAN" etc which barely scratches the surface and often entirely misrepresents the influences of what the amarr are. As galm succintly summed up in one of the previous threads - the amarr pulled a Charlemagne and tried to emulate roman stability by giving everything roman names, despite not having many actual roman influences to their culture. For anyone wanting a deeper look, I'd recommend looking up the other empires NPC ship names (can be found without much work from my caldari state npc ship names links) to try and get a bit more 'accuracy' with things. In short I don't really want to end up with caricaturized depictions of the empires (even though I somewhat fall prey to doing it myself with the caldari) because that makes me sad. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.29 09:45:00 - [9] - Quote So within 4 pages we've come to the same thing we have in all previous threads. No one can agree on things. My suggestions (at least in regards to caldari it seems) are too specific and 'culturally charged' (which I will agree to an extent on both), but I wont stand for other suggestions because I find them to be trite, bland, insipid or otherwise dumb. You may not have been referring to me aeon, but it certainly feels like it, and yeah I have to point back to those lists of NPC ships or even in game stuff like "Onikanabo brigade" (a dust side cal npc corp). Others are inaccurate as hell, but people LOEV them because they get to be Mr. Exclusiarch Inquisitor Paladin standing on their end of the battlefield screaming "REDEEM THEM WITH SWORD AND FIRE!!!!". It is incredibly annoying that no one ever agrees on things in regards to this, largely because there's little more strictly defining criteria. Really wanting to echo True here and go "this is something I don't want done if we can't do it right or fairly" and wash my hands of it but silencing my own voice by walking away in frustration accomplishes nothing. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.29 09:50:00 - [10] - Quote ^So essentially we're naming groups rather than more individual/personal titles. Stuff like maroons, musketeers, franks (after their francisca's) Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.29 20:08:00 - [11] - Quote ^I had my suspicions about if we were doing something like naming groups of elites or if we were doing something like re-hashing titles. But yeah, being as this is more akin to naming 40k chapters, aspect shrines, officio assassinorum, guard regiments, farsight enclaves, dark eldar cabals and the like I think that we could end up with some more agreement in areas. We won't need to out of hand dismiss the more 'flavorful' things because we have stuff like "Onikanabo brigade" already. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.29 22:15:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Taskforce Phoenix for the Gallente? Seems fitting, to me, at least. Phoenix's are caldari in eve (its their dreadnought). Elysian First Responders for gal? My names are probably more suited for corps though. Maybe we could do more improving here though. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.29 22:26:00 - [13] - Quote Empyreans referred to all immortals from the amarr perspective. Elysians is a Greek mythology tie-in as much as einherjar for the min. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.29 23:48:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: True Adamance wrote: Not sure a soldier would enjoy being a Squire.....would seem like a demotion from Templar, Cyber Knight, Kameira. However the concept of cohorts does intrigue me. I went through the unfinished Amarrad Primer to see if I could piece anything together but I doubt the results will be particularly popular especially since the primer is not PF. I got bored and was fusing words which just resulted in Ecclesiarch and Hussars into Eclessars...... Well I am not sure if this is true but I dont think that if you are a black belt in one school of Martial arts they'd give you a black belt in another if anything they will start you back at their lowest 'belt'. Martial artist here: Generally there's an aptitude & knowledge test and you'll probably start off at a middle level unless its an incredibly different fighting style (capoeira -> jiyu jutsu is one where a large chunk doesn't translate). Competence (and rank) are something that transfer well. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.30 00:58:00 - [15] - Quote So one group I'd kind of like to reference to is the shinsengumi who I feel with some work could end up being a caldari 'elite' type group that would work well. Would require some name tweaking though. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.30 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote benandjerrys wrote: Read the descriptions of the pub corps you fight for. That stuff is moderately in place just not used. All their ceos and the stories that CCP could make, non existent too. It really seems to sound like you think we're creating new corporations, when really we're seeking to have more 'unofficial' (yet still official) groups and names. So much like past armies had kataphracts (heavily armored cavalry) or dragoons (light cavalry named after their weapon of choice a pistol called 'the dragon') or musketeers (soldiers who fought with muskets) or fusileers / fusiladors (soldiers who fought with rifles) or even original commandos (or more modern groups like the seals or green berets) or there were groups of escaped slaves like the maroons, or groups like the shinsengumi... we're seeking less to create 'corporations' and more stuff like 'elite military group' type titles. Yes technically we already have groups that fill this, like storm wind strike force, kinsho swords, mikramurka shock troops, zumari force projection, red & silver hand, amarr templars etc... these are all "Official" groups, we're kind of looking for less official ones. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.31 06:33:00 - [17] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: i can think of some pretty good names for the minmatar ranks... give me some time and ill list them It's not ranks, it's like... paramilitary elites. So State peacekeepers -> Rasetsu Peacemakers. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.31 06:40:00 - [18] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: knight guard fury wrote: i can think of some pretty good names for the minmatar ranks... give me some time and ill list them It's not ranks, it's like... paramilitary elites. So State peacekeepers -> Rasetsu Peacemakers. oh so like a name for one specific elite group? More like 'badass groups' without jumping into the territory of corporations / militaries... So, ghurkas, or dragoons, or musketeers / fusileers, shinsengumi etc. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.31 06:44:00 - [19] - Quote Not quite. Read the thread. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.31 06:56:00 - [20] - Quote Preferably not completely fabricated I dont think, frames of reference and context are important. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.31 21:06:00 - [21] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Galm Fae wrote: Also the word Jaeger (in regards to a military unit) isn't exclusively German at all. It was originally Hessian in origin Hessian's were 18th century German mercenaries... So the word Jaeger is is without a doubt German in origin. The point your head. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.07.31 21:23:00 - [22] - Quote ^While it may have originated in germany, it became a ubiquitous term throughout europe applied to all organizations with that type of structure. Seriously, read the post, stop for a few minutes and process what it said. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.01 19:36:00 - [23] - Quote Rattati can we get an update to see if we're on the right page with the type of suggestions people are making? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.02 01:58:00 - [24] - Quote What about Huscarls for minmatar? Perhaps "Huscarl Defender". These guys would serve as bodyguards for important minmatar figures notably because assassinations are NOT infrequent, and as often come from the gallente federation as the amarr empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housecarl article brings out some other words that might be interesting, gri+¦menn ("home-men") in Norway and Iceland, inn+ªsm+ªn ("inside-men"). Icelandic laws also calls them einhleypingar ("lone-runners") and lausamenn ("men not tied"). Both terms emphasise that they were voluntarily in service of another as opposed to slaves. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.02 02:14:00 - [25] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: What about Huscarls for minmatar? Perhaps "Huscarl Defender". These guys would serve as bodyguards for important minmatar figures notably because assassinations are NOT infrequent, and as often come from the gallente federation as the amarr empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housecarl article brings out some other words that might be interesting, gri+¦menn ("home-men") in Norway and Iceland, inn+ªsm+ªn ("inside-men"). Icelandic laws also calls them einhleypingar ("lone-runners") and lausamenn ("men not tied"). Both terms emphasise that they were voluntarily in service of another as opposed to slaves. There's a NPC corp named Circle of Huskarl in the game. Y'know... I knew that too :( Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.02 07:15:00 - [26] - Quote No offense galm, but I think that your names might be getting a little bit toooooo wordy. I do like Jaegers though, but it should be simplified down a little. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.08.02 07:50:00 - [27] - Quote ^I'd made a short suggestion of "Rasetsu" Peacemakers (attached to the peacekeepers, something along the lines of that which cannot be defended will be avenged, peace that cannot be kept shall be made). I don't have any solid idea's for jaegers, but I do know wiyrkomi has been heavily invested in ground tech recently, maybe they could have minted their own Wiyrkomi Jaeger elites? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.