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Count- -Crotchula
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 20:55:00 -
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the sad part? it's being done by the same people, the same people who I see mercilessly slaughter n00bs will ragequit the very next game before it even begins, just because they know they can't do the same thing game after game.
If you like this game stop killing it, I've never met a more self-centered bunch of freaks than DUST players. Games are so ******* boring these days, the ones with any action are when you're being proto-stomped and the boring games are the ones where everybody has quit!
You know I'm right you're playing 8v8 regularly, or 16v8
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 20:56:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:the sad part? it's being done by the same people, the same people who I see mercilessly slaughter n00bs will ragequit the very next game before it even begins, just because they know they can't do the same thing game after game.
If you like this game stop killing it, I've never met a more self-centered bunch of freaks than DUST players. Games are so ******* boring these days, the ones with any action are when you're being proto-stomped and the boring games are the ones where everybody has quit!
You know I'm right you're playing 8v8 regularly, or 16v8
this game is dying and it's all your fault.
Moi?
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 20:59:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:the sad part? it's being done by the same people, the same people who I see mercilessly slaughter n00bs will ragequit the very next game before it even begins, just because they know they can't do the same thing game after game.
If you like this game stop killing it, I've never met a more self-centered bunch of freaks than DUST players. Games are so ******* boring these days, the ones with any action are when you're being proto-stomped and the boring games are the ones where everybody has quit!
You know I'm right you're playing 8v8 regularly, or 16v8
this game is dying and it's all your fault.
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge
No Context
881
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Posted - 2015.07.13 21:03:00 -
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I've gotten to the point where pubs really aren't all that fun so I jus hop on to do PCs.
I also queuesync FWs with my buddies to help them out 
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.13 21:30:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:the sad part? it's being done by the same people, the same people who I see mercilessly slaughter n00bs will ragequit the very next game before it even begins, just because they know they can't do the same thing game after game.
If you like this game stop killing it, I've never met a more self-centered bunch of freaks than DUST players. Games are so ******* boring these days, the ones with any action are when you're being proto-stomped and the boring games are the ones where everybody has quit!
You know I'm right you're playing 8v8 regularly, or 16v8
this game is dying and it's all your fault.
So now that pubs are wide open for scrubbiness you choose to start playing FW and whining?
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Sicerly Yaw
Corrosive Synergy
No Context
628
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Posted - 2015.07.13 21:34:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
16v16 sniper rifle matches? throw in some duna in there and other KDR padding scrubs and we have a match that get us nowhere
I guess it would take care of at least that problem
but come on how is KDR going to fix anything its hardly a testament to your skill as a player
say I do not go for kills but I do most of the hacking and supporting I die say 3 times a match but I rarely get 1 kill
thats less then a .3 kdr do I get placed with scrubs because I wanted to play that way?
same person decides to switch up their play style they go for kills only and they are playing now against players that cant even shoot straight 100+ kill streak
yeah that's balanced, the issue of players that would only play against scrubs to get high scores was more prevalent in the past now it still happens from time to time but its way less prevalent, although the issue of motivation is still there as players are not motivated to fight back when they are getting beaten
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.13 22:14:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
16v16 sniper rifle matches? throw in some duna in there and other KDR padding scrubs and we have a match that get us nowhere I guess it would take care of at least that problem but come on how is KDR going to fix anything its hardly a testament to your skill as a player say I do not go for kills but I do most of the hacking and supporting I die say 3 times a match but I rarely get 1 kill thats less then a .3 kdr do I get placed with scrubs because I wanted to play that way? same person decides to switch up their play style they go for kills only and they are playing now against players that cant even shoot straight 100+ kill streak yeah that's balanced, the issue of players that would only play against scrubs to get high scores was more prevalent in the past now it still happens from time to time but its way less prevalent, although the issue of motivation is still there as players are not motivated to fight back when they are getting beaten
The stat changes with input, all stats do. Input is provided by gameplay. When the stat changes, players are playing different people, but stomp stops. The initial complaint in this thread was stomp-hunting. KDR matchmaking fixes that.
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
717
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Posted - 2015.07.13 22:17:00 -
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Stomping is a problem but it is a symptom of the lack of vision.
In short we hack and win for isk payouts but why?
If the goal is to gain higher and higher degrees of effectiveness, then stomping is attainment of the desired goal.
If the goal is to have fair and skill based matches then free suits and/or low meta level matches are a path to the goal and found in PC.
Stomps happen from those who choose to win at all costs: True.
Stomping also happens from the lone 4 man squad with advanced gear simply working together when the opposition fails to overcome them.
We have to accept that our freedom in playstyle can have undesired consequences -so plan and play accordingly.
It's hard to beat up hundreds of armor piercing bullets using only your face...
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BrownEye1129
Minmatar Underground Movement
305
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Posted - 2015.07.13 22:23:00 -
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16 Players on Team A and 16 players on team b. Both team have been selected based mainly on SP. There are a few outliers on each team but for the most part everyone is right around 45mill SP give or take 5 mi.
Sounds even right?
Now what happens when Team A decides to use the proto gear they are capable of but Team B decides to use MLT and STD??
You get a proto stomp. I'm starting to believe it's less and less about match making and more to do with player wanting to be cheap and save a few isk. Noticed this the other night. Late at night before downtime. Had 4 or 5 games with the same 20 or so people. Sometimes they would be with my squad other times they were against my squad. The difference wasn't in SP or bad match making it was people wearing garbage suits against a team that wanted to wear proto.
I vote for the ability to see a SP total for each player, squad, and team. Then it will come to light what the real problem is, people being cheap like people are.
When the time comes......
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Genral69 death
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
436
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Posted - 2015.07.13 22:25:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
16v16 sniper rifle matches? throw in some duna in there and other KDR padding scrubs and we have a match that get us nowhere I guess it would take care of at least that problem but come on how is KDR going to fix anything its hardly a testament to your skill as a player say I do not go for kills but I do most of the hacking and supporting I die say 3 times a match but I rarely get 1 kill thats less then a .3 kdr do I get placed with scrubs because I wanted to play that way? same person decides to switch up their play style they go for kills only and they are playing now against players that cant even shoot straight 100+ kill streak yeah that's balanced, the issue of players that would only play against scrubs to get high scores was more prevalent in the past now it still happens from time to time but its way less prevalent, although the issue of motivation is still there as players are not motivated to fight back when they are getting beaten The stat changes with input, all stats do. Input is provided by gameplay. When the stat changes, players are playing different people, but stomp stops. The initial complaint in this thread was stomp-hunting. KDR matchmaking fixes that.
Strange, seems I'm playing against the same people every day
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Panthrax Oblivion
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Posted - 2015.07.13 22:30:00 -
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zDemoncake wrote:I've gotten to the point where pubs really aren't all that fun so I jus hop on to do PCs. I also queuesync FWs with my buddies to help them out
Cmoooon pubs r fun with us
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.13 22:56:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
16v16 sniper rifle matches? throw in some duna in there and other KDR padding scrubs and we have a match that get us nowhere I guess it would take care of at least that problem but come on how is KDR going to fix anything its hardly a testament to your skill as a player say I do not go for kills but I do most of the hacking and supporting I die say 3 times a match but I rarely get 1 kill thats less then a .3 kdr do I get placed with scrubs because I wanted to play that way? same person decides to switch up their play style they go for kills only and they are playing now against players that cant even shoot straight 100+ kill streak yeah that's balanced, the issue of players that would only play against scrubs to get high scores was more prevalent in the past now it still happens from time to time but its way less prevalent, although the issue of motivation is still there as players are not motivated to fight back when they are getting beaten The stat changes with input, all stats do. Input is provided by gameplay. When the stat changes, players are playing different people, but stomp stops. The initial complaint in this thread was stomp-hunting. KDR matchmaking fixes that. Strange, seems I'm playing against the same people every day
I blame poor matchmaking.
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Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
2
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:02:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
16v16 sniper rifle matches? throw in some duna in there and other KDR padding scrubs and we have a match that get us nowhere I guess it would take care of at least that problem but come on how is KDR going to fix anything its hardly a testament to your skill as a player say I do not go for kills but I do most of the hacking and supporting I die say 3 times a match but I rarely get 1 kill thats less then a .3 kdr do I get placed with scrubs because I wanted to play that way? same person decides to switch up their play style they go for kills only and they are playing now against players that cant even shoot straight 100+ kill streak yeah that's balanced, the issue of players that would only play against scrubs to get high scores was more prevalent in the past now it still happens from time to time but its way less prevalent, although the issue of motivation is still there as players are not motivated to fight back when they are getting beaten The stat changes with input, all stats do. Input is provided by gameplay. When the stat changes, players are playing different people, but stomp stops. The initial complaint in this thread was stomp-hunting. KDR matchmaking fixes that.
I just cant wrap my tiny little pea brain around that concept. Ill argue against it while not understanding it just because. Maybe someone will forget you said it so i can bring it up in two weeks.
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:09:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:16 Players on Team A and 16 players on team b. Both team have been selected based mainly on SP. There are a few outliers on each team but for the most part everyone is right around 45mill SP give or take 5 mi.
Sounds even right?
Now what happens when Team A decides to use the proto gear they are capable of but Team B decides to use MLT and STD??
You get a proto stomp. I'm starting to believe it's less and less about match making and more to do with player wanting to be cheap and save a few isk. Noticed this the other night. Late at night before downtime. Had 4 or 5 games with the same 20 or so people. Sometimes they would be with my squad other times they were against my squad. The difference wasn't in SP or bad match making it was people wearing garbage suits against a team that wanted to wear proto.
I vote for the ability to see a SP total for each player, squad, and team. Then it will come to light what the real problem is, people being cheap like people are.
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:09:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Sicerly Yaw wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
16v16 sniper rifle matches? throw in some duna in there and other KDR padding scrubs and we have a match that get us nowhere I guess it would take care of at least that problem but come on how is KDR going to fix anything its hardly a testament to your skill as a player say I do not go for kills but I do most of the hacking and supporting I die say 3 times a match but I rarely get 1 kill thats less then a .3 kdr do I get placed with scrubs because I wanted to play that way? same person decides to switch up their play style they go for kills only and they are playing now against players that cant even shoot straight 100+ kill streak yeah that's balanced, the issue of players that would only play against scrubs to get high scores was more prevalent in the past now it still happens from time to time but its way less prevalent, although the issue of motivation is still there as players are not motivated to fight back when they are getting beaten The stat changes with input, all stats do. Input is provided by gameplay. When the stat changes, players are playing different people, but stomp stops. The initial complaint in this thread was stomp-hunting. KDR matchmaking fixes that. I just cant wrap my tiny little pea brain around that concept. Ill argue against it while not understanding it just because. Maybe someone will forget you said it so i can bring it up in two weeks.
I swear, I can hear it being chanted in the background sometimes...
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:11:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious. |
Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
2
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:15:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious.
Why wouldnt you bring them in your squad? You could end up in a few weird matches solo but squads would fight squads around the same kd composition.
Crush them
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
862
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:20:00 -
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The sad part?
This thread has been made countless times by countless people and yet this game remains.
Dust 514...it either breaks or make you. I've been there dude. You either persevere and get stronger or crumble...to the Dust.
Saying what's on people's minds
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:22:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious. Why wouldnt you bring them in your squad? You could end up in a few weird matches solo but squads would fight squads around the same kd composition.
So kinda like the teambuilder logic ratatti put in place months ago?
Fukking magic!
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Nymphadora PK
Grief Player Killers
10
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:27:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious.
I think SP matchmaking would be a better barometer. Then the players with similar experience levels would be matched, and then if people qq about being proto stomped it's their own fault for spending their SP the wrong way, or not wanting to spend the ISK.
And on a serious note... if you're not having fun then do something else. Why spend your downtime being angry?
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:27:00 -
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No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious.
Until they started killing each other, right?
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SLENDER M4N
Xer Cloud Consortium
721
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:29:00 -
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Its all my fault  I should feel bad, but im not.
Get ready Jadek. Mrs. Menahiem is waiting!
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:36:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious. Why wouldnt you bring them in your squad? You could end up in a few weird matches solo but squads would fight squads around the same kd composition. So kinda like the teambuilder logic ratatti put in place months ago? Fukking magic!
Except this is actually aimed at working, that was not. It was aimed at sustaining stomp while appearing to be a solution.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:40:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious. Why wouldnt you bring them in your squad? You could end up in a few weird matches solo but squads would fight squads around the same kd composition. So kinda like the teambuilder logic ratatti put in place months ago? Fukking magic! Except this is actually aimed at working, that was not. It was aimed at sustaining stomp while appearing to be a solution.
You should run for president of the US, you single-issue as hard and annoying as any of the bazillion of them running this far.
Currently in recluse bitter-vet mode.
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Dzago Sevatarion
DUST University
Ivy League
78
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:47:00 -
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If people want to leave or stomp, whatever, but it is a bit weird that Quafe or Caldari Steel keep hiring people who are ineffective or downright negligent in their contractual duties. Are their mission agents the bosses' kids or something? |
Satyr Dante
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:31:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:16 Players on Team A and 16 players on team b. Both team have been selected based mainly on SP. There are a few outliers on each team but for the most part everyone is right around 45mill SP give or take 5 mi.
Sounds even right?
Now what happens when Team A decides to use the proto gear they are capable of but Team B decides to use MLT and STD??
You get a proto stomp. I'm starting to believe it's less and less about match making and more to do with player wanting to be cheap and save a few isk. Noticed this the other night. Late at night before downtime. Had 4 or 5 games with the same 20 or so people. Sometimes they would be with my squad other times they were against my squad. The difference wasn't in SP or bad match making it was people wearing garbage suits against a team that wanted to wear proto.
I vote for the ability to see a SP total for each player, squad, and team. Then it will come to light what the real problem is, people being cheap like people are.
So your telling me that I should.... be a re scout again  Simply because we all skilled into it doesn't mean we should all do it....I have a proto logi and a advanced Amar light frame..does that mean I should run them 24/7 just cause I have them? No it doesn't...I like to run around with my shifty militia assault (pick a race I got all those) and do hit and runs against any idiots that I can catch off guard.... I prefer to have fun in this game... have you ever killed a proto heavy with a Alex's hmg while he was being repped while you were in a militia suit? I'll tell you....that's pretty damn ******* fun even if I die 3 times trying to do it |
Dreis ShadowWeaver
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:33:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.
16v16 sniper rifle matches? throw in some duna in there and other KDR padding scrubs and we have a match that get us nowhere I guess it would take care of at least that problem but come on how is KDR going to fix anything its hardly a testament to your skill as a player say I do not go for kills but I do most of the hacking and supporting I die say 3 times a match but I rarely get 1 kill thats less then a .3 kdr do I get placed with scrubs because I wanted to play that way? same person decides to switch up their play style they go for kills only and they are playing now against players that cant even shoot straight 100+ kill streak yeah that's balanced, the issue of players that would only play against scrubs to get high scores was more prevalent in the past now it still happens from time to time but its way less prevalent, although the issue of motivation is still there as players are not motivated to fight back when they are getting beaten
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Satyr Dante
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:35:00 -
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Nymphadora PK wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious. I think SP matchmaking would be a better barometer. Then the players with similar experience levels would be matched, and then if people qq about being proto stomped it's their own fault for spending their SP the wrong way, or not wanting to spend the ISK. And on a serious note... if you're not having fun then do something else. Why spend your downtime being angry?
I think a serious problem with that is that I could start a new character, dump all my sp it say heavy and then by 10 mill I'm protostomping around in a gk.o with a boundless |
Mossellia Delt
Nos Nothi
2
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:56:00 -
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What is killing this game
Matchmaking
Isk payouts
Unregionlocked
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
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xavier zor
Second-Nature
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:59:00 -
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we all started out the same as you did. We got stomped, we learnt the HARD way. I didn't know how to join a squad for 13 months, i didn't have a mic and was having fun playing solo anyway.
If you want to 'git gud'; hold your own, know how to adapt, 1v1 and even 2v1, know how to survive, know when to run away and know where not to drop uplinks then solo is for you!
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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xavier zor
Second-Nature
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:00:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:
Unregionlocked
What about the Australians/Asians that play whilst everyone else is asleep? What would happen then? Same people on each team, game after game until more players awoke and hopped onto dust.
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:01:00 -
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Nymphadora PK wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious. I think SP matchmaking would be a better barometer. Then the players with similar experience levels would be matched, and then if people qq about being proto stomped it's their own fault for spending their SP the wrong way, or not wanting to spend the ISK. And on a serious note... if you're not having fun then do something else. Why spend your downtime being angry?
I recognize a lot of the names I see in matches, they aren't noobs. I've said it a million times, these issues aren't from new players getting shell shocked into the redline by 100 mil SP veterans. This is veteran players shying away from shooting at people in an FPS game. |
Mossellia Delt
Nos Nothi
2
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:07:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:
Unregionlocked
What about the Australians/Asians that play whilst everyone else is asleep? What would happen then? Same people on each team, game after game until more players awoke and hopped onto dust.
Don't know, I'm just sick of joining a game and being unable to land a hit because their player model isnt where their hitbox is.
Delt for CPM2
CPM1 MISSION : FAILED
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xavier zor
Second-Nature
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:19:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Nymphadora PK wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious. I think SP matchmaking would be a better barometer. Then the players with similar experience levels would be matched, and then if people qq about being proto stomped it's their own fault for spending their SP the wrong way, or not wanting to spend the ISK. And on a serious note... if you're not having fun then do something else. Why spend your downtime being angry? I recognize a lot of the names I see in matches, they aren't noobs. I've said it a million times, these issues aren't from new players getting shell shocked into the redline by 100 mil SP veterans. This is veteran players shying away from shooting at people in an FPS game.
I bitterly dislike these vets. I aint even at 50 mil SP yet, i got put into a battle with these players.
Included a squad of original AE, some Cap Acq and 0.H in the mix as well.
Almost got to 1v1 kalente, extacy came in from the side
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:19:00 -
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Satyr Dante wrote:Nymphadora PK wrote:No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this. KDR matchmaking? Do you want to lose all your logis and support players to the scrub tiers? Not that I'd complain. I'd like it down in the scrub tiers. Free points and less deaths, and there aren't enough logis around as it is. Matches flooded with logis would be god damn hilarious. I think SP matchmaking would be a better barometer. Then the players with similar experience levels would be matched, and then if people qq about being proto stomped it's their own fault for spending their SP the wrong way, or not wanting to spend the ISK. And on a serious note... if you're not having fun then do something else. Why spend your downtime being angry? I think a serious problem with that is that I could start a new character, dump all my sp it say heavy and then by 10 mill I'm protostomping around in a gk.o with a boundless
You'll die. I promise you. This is the SAME issue I'm fairly sure has been explained more than once.
Vet like me with 65mil SP. PC hardened. All core skills maxed. 12 useable Proto suits. Proficiency 3 in most light weapons. I know how to wipe enemy links, place my own, kill hostiles in Advanced gear. I like running proto however because i never know when someone else, or the other team may use it. If they smash me off the point, retaking it is hard and costly. This game's NPE is brutal, even if the basics are explained. You are simply dealing with so much info. A newbie doesn't know that an Ar will take out shields faster, or to gauge being shot at by a Rail rifle vs a Scrambler based on purely noise, or that Damage Mods have a stacking penalty, or that a militia scrambler overheats in around 15-20 shots with no skills. We do, so we go up to a point with the intent to win because that is why we wanted to PC, for harder fights and because winnin. I'm sorry but if you are at that point I'm. trying to hack, and you are in the way of me being successful, you die, or I die trying. I knew players who ran proto with only 300k isk in their wallets. We aren't all rich, we just like playing with suits that we have earned after 2 years. That's not me being a D-bag to players and saying, "lolmilitia", that's me playing an FPS and trying to win. I'm sorry if you die in the crossfire as I try to not go isk negative against Nyain San, Negative Feedback, Titans of Phionex, Prima Gallicus etc. There are thousands of players with proto suits and you will never have useful teammates until they can distinguish a Caldari Assault proto from an Amarr Scout with just their eyes 80m out.
It isn't the suit. I've read hundreds of threads of people claomimgythey destroy people in proto suits. So obviously if you can in your militia, advance gear, so can noobs right? Wrong. The fact is you understand somethings in the game that are tsking for granted. When you joined, did you ever try to bloe up the MCC with a turret? Three shot someone with a gun only for them to kill you because you thought the TTK was like Cod? Or the kicker: Wondering what the hell are are these stats and how do they go tpgether and being utterly confused and wondering how to get all the SP you need???
I am sick and tired of people complaining about proto stomping. I'm sorry that people have a suit. Get on comms with a squad and kill them. You have a literal forum of people who will squad. Some players like me with drop you a helpline and fight with all pur gear to help you win. Learning Coalition. Chat channel to aid players. Observe how you died. Was it to a Scrambler? Where was he? Up high? Hmm, don't travel across open ground, it has a 90m range. Flank wide, and use a close range armor weapon if it's an Amarr Assault. Ding ding a Combat Rifle.
Play and counter-play peeps. All I can say.
Tldr: Play smart, people will run what they want. Learn from your deaths. Squad up. Hitting your head against a wall is dumb. 07
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
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xavier zor
Second-Nature
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:23:00 -
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damn 5-0 please warn before wall of text!
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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Dreis Shadowweaver
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:26:00 -
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Y'all should stop taking the bait.
I learned how to not take the bait the hard way... (Cheers, zor  )
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
My Minja Blog
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xavier zor
Second-Nature
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:27:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Y'all should stop taking the bait. I learned how to not take the bait the hard way... (Cheers, zor )
You bite many times.
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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nelo kazuma
Ecce Initio RLC.
RUST415
308
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:33:00 -
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Ive said it before meta lvl lockout or basic adv and proto matchmaking. With the sqds getting dropped to 4 for pubs 8 for fw n 16 for pc has been allot more balanced though see matches pretty even for the most part
FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:35:00 -
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No dude I'm bored and missing Dust and angry irl and pissed off that people are still complaining when I do exactly what they dont want. Do you think I went on the forums and complained? Dude I didn't know there were forums till 11 months after I played Dust!!! I was getting slaughtered. I found a vet I saw go positive and use a brightly colored suit. I pressed X on his name, said hello, how did you do that? He promptly invited me to squsd, trolled me, and then kicked me. I mailed him again, asking for just a few tips. He reinvited me, and then taught me some core game basics. Seriously just take that step and try to get help...and I'm sorry if you don't have a mic, or time to squad, or want to go on the forums and do this or that, but honestly what do you want me or other people to do? Not try and win the game? Come on now
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:42:00 -
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Ok - Rarely do I wade into one of these threads, however, I'm a bit confused at some of the comments.
The OP and others are going on about how we are killing the game and "it's our fault". Quick disclaimer here...i primarily play logi and have a B level gun game at best - I'm not implying that i'm a one man proto stomp.
S0...what EXACTLY do you want folks to do? Not aim so well, stop squadding with friends, no voice coms, don't rep people or put down uplinks? What what do you want individual players to that won't lead to folks getting hammered and redlined on occasion?
Ok, so maybe it's the gear. Down grade to Apex sutis - check. Lot of folks do that a fair amount even though they have enough ISK to pretty much never run out no matter what gear they run. They have the skills and ISK from the grinding they've done over months / years of playing and suddenly you want to tell them not to break it out?
My beef is with folks that try to drop in here and make statements about selfish players and how veterans are ruining things without offering any form of constructive discussion. When I hop in to a match and see top shelf players on the other side you damn well bet that i'm trying to bring my A-game and I want them to bring theirs. I want the tough / fun fights and as long as someone is contesting the points you keep fighting as well as you are possibly able.
I've been on the short side of matches (i.e. 5 vs 12) more than a few times and you make the motherf@%Kers pay for trying to stomp you. You'll lose but you make them earn it as best you can....there are a lot of players in Dust that just don't understand that anymore.
There is no game with player progression, particularly a co-op game, where vets don't have serious advantages over newer players that I am aware of. If you have an idea on how to address it then put something on the table that is constructive and don't just whine about your latest redline.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Skype: jaysyn.larrisen
Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:46:00 -
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Larrisen I could hug u right now...
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
6
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:51:00 -
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I mean Jay pretty much has it. Are you players to blame for doing what the game allows them to do? If a mechanic is broken and players use that mechanic to their advantage, are they wrong in trying to win?
Stop trying to blame people for taking every advantage they can to win, and instead focus on fixing the problems that allow those situations to happen.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
20
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Posted - 2015.07.14 04:58:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I mean Jay pretty much has it. Are you players to blame for doing what the game allows them to do? If a mechanic is broken and players use that mechanic to their advantage, are they wrong in trying to win?
Stop trying to blame people for taking every advantage they can to win, and instead focus on fixing the problems that allow those situations to happen.
You guys basically surmise my thoughts about online gaming in a less confrontational manner than I normally would.
In terms of video game philosophy I accept that I cannot hold any other player, nor should any other player hold me, responsible for their/my personal enjoyment of a game. Especially a competitive first person shooter with a progression system like Dust.
You cannot expect players to hold themselves back if they can perform better, nor if one specific tactic proves particularly effective expect it not to be used as if some unspoken agreement exists, or as if you yourself could not have taken advantage of the same tactic.
Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
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Veg Hegirin
DUST University
Ivy League
90
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Posted - 2015.07.14 05:42:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I've been on the short side of matches (i.e. 5 vs 12) more than a few times and you make the motherf@%Kers pay for trying to stomp you. You'll lose but you make them earn it as best you can....there are a lot of players in Dust that just don't understand that anymore.
This is why I suggested a notification (headshot sound, +5wp, etc) for proto/officer kills. Knowing that you've just cost someone half their match payout is rewarding, knowing you could do it again is motivating. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:17:00 -
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Veg Hegirin wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I've been on the short side of matches (i.e. 5 vs 12) more than a few times and you make the motherf@%Kers pay for trying to stomp you. You'll lose but you make them earn it as best you can....there are a lot of players in Dust that just don't understand that anymore. This is why I suggested a notification (headshot sound, +5wp, etc) for proto/officer kills. Knowing that you've just cost someone half their match payout is rewarding, knowing you could do it again is motivating.
This would be cool.
To be honest I never check what exact suit I'm shooting at, I've played enough to just know what they look like. I've literally never thought, I just killed a proto suit. I really haven't ever cared what level people run, but it would be cool to get a notification. |
Veg Hegirin
DUST University
Ivy League
93
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:32:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Veg Hegirin wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I've been on the short side of matches (i.e. 5 vs 12) more than a few times and you make the motherf@%Kers pay for trying to stomp you. You'll lose but you make them earn it as best you can....there are a lot of players in Dust that just don't understand that anymore. This is why I suggested a notification (headshot sound, +5wp, etc) for proto/officer kills. Knowing that you've just cost someone half their match payout is rewarding, knowing you could do it again is motivating. This would be cool. To be honest I never check what exact suit I'm shooting at, I've played enough to just know what they look like. I've literally never thought, I just killed a proto suit. I really haven't ever cared what level people run, but it would be cool to get a notification.
My opinion is that people quit because they've given up. Rewarding protokills in some fashion won't stop you from getting outplayed, but they will give you a reason to keep playing |
xavier zor
Second-Nature
Negative-Feedback
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:35:00 -
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Veg Hegirin wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Veg Hegirin wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I've been on the short side of matches (i.e. 5 vs 12) more than a few times and you make the motherf@%Kers pay for trying to stomp you. You'll lose but you make them earn it as best you can....there are a lot of players in Dust that just don't understand that anymore. This is why I suggested a notification (headshot sound, +5wp, etc) for proto/officer kills. Knowing that you've just cost someone half their match payout is rewarding, knowing you could do it again is motivating. This would be cool. To be honest I never check what exact suit I'm shooting at, I've played enough to just know what they look like. I've literally never thought, I just killed a proto suit. I really haven't ever cared what level people run, but it would be cool to get a notification. My opinion is that people quit because they've given up. Rewarding protokills in some fashion won't stop you from getting outplayed, but they will give you a reason to keep playing
the 'keep-what-you-kill' method of awarding ISK isn't so bad, but it shouldn't be the ONLY calculation that goes into ISK payouts.
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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AndyAndio
0uter.Heaven
247
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:42:00 -
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In my day... mercs didnt care about ISK efficiency, just giving a good fight, specially if you were against another squad. Giving a good fight, victory or defeat, was the most important thing.
Nowadays, seems like thats the only thing players care about on Dust is exactly that, going ISK+ ...and the fact, that CCP, brought BPOs after they took them out of the game, and not only that, adding APEX suits helped the no risk = full reward addiction, that has plenty of mercs hooked like it was crack.
I dont think this is gonna kill the game, but the future of having fun, certainly looks grim.-
2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year
Retired for love of the game.-
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xavier zor
Second-Nature
Negative-Feedback
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:45:00 -
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AndyAndio wrote:
*old man voice*
BACK IN MY DAY
FTFY
Out of retirement
notable people stabbed: musturd, kaizuka, duna, radar, tibs, killed again
ADS pilot, knifer, slayer
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
661
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:03:00 -
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Just know that when a game gets "destroyed" by its community, it's never the community's fault, but the bad design of the game.
You want to know why people leave battles before they even begun? Because they can tell from the leaderboard that it's gonna be a stomp, that they'll waste their time, ISKs and nerves playing this fight. It's simply not worth it.
As long as ISK rewarding will be this low (or just a thing), people will continue to leave battles for about any reasons.
Ho, and I didn't mention lags, framerate drops, bugs and glitches that ruin this game.
WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
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YUUKI TERUMI
0uter.Heaven
47
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:53:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:the sad part? it's being done by the same people, the same people who I see mercilessly slaughter n00bs will ragequit the very next game before it even begins, just because they know they can't do the same thing game after game.
If you like this game stop killing it, I've never met a more self-centered bunch of freaks than DUST players. Games are so ******* boring these days, the ones with any action are when you're being proto-stomped and the boring games are the ones where everybody has quit!
You know I'm right you're playing 8v8 regularly, or 16v8
this game is dying and it's all your fault.
You know what makes people leave battles? Other people leaving battles. Yesterday I played an ambush with Abyss of Universe vs Nyain San. No one left. We won. The match after: enemy side: AMbush Ftw, on my side those who could be considered good players left. What should I do? Keep playing a match that, I know, is lost from the beginning? No, it's a waste of ISK and time. So, I believe that everyone should play like most of japanese players (for example in domiation), at the beginning they take the fastest suit they have and run to the objective. They don't even care aboout who's there on enemy side. CCP should remove the list of players. It should be available only at the end of the match. A lot of people, included me, check who's there on enemy side at the beginning of the match (I always fear for q sync faggots like Academy Inferno, they q sync in dom). If we don't want people to leave, we must do our best every match. Example: if there are few uplinks on the map, YOU, EVERYONE brings uplinks, you can't let blueberries do your job because if they don't your basically screwed. So, if there are few uplinks, you bring them because if you don't, it means you don't care about the match and you only want to kill, then you better go play cod instead. Fat asses that don't want to bring uplinks beacause they aren't in the mood to bring them, better not play this game. Sorry for the bad english.
I forgot to say that ACTIVE SCANS ARE NOT AN OPTIONAL. How are you expected to help AN ENTIRE TEAM with your passive scans? Yesterday I played ambush with a corp I don't want to reveal. One of them said: no need to bring scanner, my suit has passive scans. Seriously? I dont give a f%/k about your passive scans, I need active scans, I need to see the damn re dots on the radar... CCP invented these awsume active scanners and gallente logis, then why don't you run a suit with an active scanner???? I was the only one scanning in those matches......
Gallente logi, all assaults, Minja for life. Most of all, Mithril Forge hater.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:50:00 -
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Count- -Crotchula wrote:the sad part? it's being done by the same people, the same people who I see mercilessly slaughter n00bs will ragequit the very next game before it even begins, just because they know they can't do the same thing game after game.
If you like this game stop killing it, I've never met a more self-centered bunch of freaks than DUST players. Games are so ******* boring these days, the ones with any action are when you're being proto-stomped and the boring games are the ones where everybody has quit!
You know I'm right you're playing 8v8 regularly, or 16v8
this game is dying and it's all your fault.
Hey, its just as bad on our side.
Went to go play with some FA last night. We just show up in FW and watch as teams leave.
We deployed into a 16v4 because of it (Our Favor).
I want to play the game, not run around in circles.
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:50:00 -
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AndyAndio wrote:In my day... mercs didnt care about ISK efficiency, just giving a good fight, specially if you were against another squad. Giving a good fight, victory or defeat, was the most important thing.
Nowadays, seems like thats the only thing players care about on Dust is exactly that, going ISK+ ...and the fact, that CCP, brought BPOs after they took them out of the game, and not only that, adding APEX suits helped the no risk = full reward addiction, that has plenty of mercs hooked like it was crack.
I dont think this is gonna kill the game, but the future of having fun, certainly looks grim.-
I don't understand why the APEX phenomenon has failed to generate more action. It gives you a better suit that can be tweaked to make great fits for less than 20K. You can die 10 times and still go ISK+.
I can't for the life of me figure out why people would stay in NPC or crap corps and get slaughtered to the point they still play the game but play it from the safety of the redline. What are they waiting for? Is there a date on their calendar that they'll join a corp and get integrated into Dust? Is it a predetermined SP or ISK value they have in mind?
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:52:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Just know that when a game gets "destroyed" by its community, it's never the community's fault, but the bad design of the game.
You want to know why people leave battles before they even begun? Because they can tell from the leaderboard that it's gonna be a stomp, that they'll waste their time, ISKs and nerves playing this fight. It's simply not worth it.
As long as ISK rewarding will be this low (or just a thing), people will continue to leave battles for about any reasons.
Ho, and I didn't mention lags, framerate drops, bugs and glitches that ruin this game.
Do you know why Outer Heaven and Negative Feedback don't have perfect win/loss ratios? |
501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:53:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:AndyAndio wrote:In my day... mercs didnt care about ISK efficiency, just giving a good fight, specially if you were against another squad. Giving a good fight, victory or defeat, was the most important thing.
Nowadays, seems like thats the only thing players care about on Dust is exactly that, going ISK+ ...and the fact, that CCP, brought BPOs after they took them out of the game, and not only that, adding APEX suits helped the no risk = full reward addiction, that has plenty of mercs hooked like it was crack.
I dont think this is gonna kill the game, but the future of having fun, certainly looks grim.- I don't understand why the APEX phenomenon has failed to generate more action. It gives you a better suit that can be tweaked to make great fits for less than 20K. You can die 10 times and still go ISK+. I can't for the life of me figure out why people would stay in NPC or crap corps and get slaughtered to the point they still play the game but play it from the safety of the redline. What are they waiting for? Is there a date on their calendar that they'll join a corp and get integrated into Dust? Is it a predetermined SP or ISK value they have in mind? I just don't get it.
They probably dont know you CAN join a corp. Starting out I thought all these names were just cool ones generated by the Chinese Communist Party..aka what I thought CCP was. Took me a day to figure out how to leave my NPC with the help of someone else
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:53:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:Just know that when a game gets "destroyed" by its community, it's never the community's fault, but the bad design of the game.
You want to know why people leave battles before they even begun? Because they can tell from the leaderboard that it's gonna be a stomp, that they'll waste their time, ISKs and nerves playing this fight. It's simply not worth it.
As long as ISK rewarding will be this low (or just a thing), people will continue to leave battles for about any reasons.
Ho, and I didn't mention lags, framerate drops, bugs and glitches that ruin this game. Do you know why Outer Heaven and Negative Feedback don't have perfect win/loss ratios?
Thor, just the person I wanted to see.
Read this. I want you for that "Officer" Channel if you are still game to do Min FW.
Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST
Un-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Denesian Morenti
Horizons' Edge
No Context
49
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:56:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:[quote=Count- -Crotchula]the sad part? it's being done by the same people, the same people who I see mercilessly slaughter n00bs will ragequit the very next game before it even begins, just because they know they can't do the same thing game after game.
If you like this game stop killing it, I've never met a more self-centered bunch of freaks than DUST players. Games are so ******* boring these days, the ones with any action are when you're being proto-stomped and the boring games are the ones where everybody has quit!
You know I'm right you're playing 8v8 regularly, or 16v8
this game is dying and it's all your fault.
But seriously, KDR matchmaking fixes this.[/quote
I like my raspberries melted with a side of ice cream.
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501st Headstrong
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:17:00 -
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No KDR matching won't. Some players are really good at slaying. Some people are good at running away the second anyone tries to kill them. KDR is not representative of player skill because some people have 60 mil sp and only logi.
But...i suppose it's worth a try.
"There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner
*The Mascot of 0uter.Heaven *
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Veg Hegirin
DUST University
Ivy League
94
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:19:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I don't understand why the APEX phenomenon has failed to generate more action. It gives you a better suit that can be tweaked to make great fits for less than 20K. You can die 10 times and still go ISK+.
I consider 20k for a suit to be expensive, and grinding 500 FW games isn't overly appealing
Quote:I can't for the life of me figure out why people would stay in NPC or crap corps and get slaughtered to the point they still play the game but play it from the safety of the redline. What are they waiting for? Is there a date on their calendar that they'll join a corp and get integrated into Dust? Is it a predetermined SP or ISK value they have in mind?
I just don't get it.
Effort, low expectations, social anxiety. Take your pick. Also redline is only tangentially related to that |
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Dragonmeballs
Better Hide R Die
112
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:45:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:BrownEye1129 wrote:16 Players on Team A and 16 players on team b. Both team have been selected based mainly on SP. There are a few outliers on each team but for the most part everyone is right around 45mill SP give or take 5 mi.
Sounds even right?
Now what happens when Team A decides to use the proto gear they are capable of but Team B decides to use MLT and STD??
You get a proto stomp. I'm starting to believe it's less and less about match making and more to do with player wanting to be cheap and save a few isk. Noticed this the other night. Late at night before downtime. Had 4 or 5 games with the same 20 or so people. Sometimes they would be with my squad other times they were against my squad. The difference wasn't in SP or bad match making it was people wearing garbage suits against a team that wanted to wear proto.
I vote for the ability to see a SP total for each player, squad, and team. Then it will come to light what the real problem is, people being cheap like people are. Accountant 514 I reminisce about the days when people stepped up their game when they recognized someone tough. But it's really not that simple. It's a combination of incentive vs. risk (asset loss) and the randomness of solo players that have really buggered up Dust.
Thor,
I really think the quality of players has changed and not for the better.
As recently as a year or so ago you didn't see a mass exodus as soon as the tide turned. Many of the vets bailed from Dust and the tenacious FPS mentality went with them.
Now the field is filled with COD plebes with modded controllers focused on a quick fix and have no willingness the HTFU when the tide turns against them. (Squads do make a difference but a tough board of randoms can rally just the same)
I have had swings of 10-20 M isk within a three month period. Rising to the challenge can get expensive. Making it back means an intense couple of weeks as a logi.
I adapt--just like everybody else because complaining isn't all that productive.
There is no patch or tweak Rattai can make to improve the quality of players.
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Genral69 death
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:51:00 -
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Dragonmeballs wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:BrownEye1129 wrote:16 Players on Team A and 16 players on team b. Both team have been selected based mainly on SP. There are a few outliers on each team but for the most part everyone is right around 45mill SP give or take 5 mi.
Sounds even right?
Now what happens when Team A decides to use the proto gear they are capable of but Team B decides to use MLT and STD??
You get a proto stomp. I'm starting to believe it's less and less about match making and more to do with player wanting to be cheap and save a few isk. Noticed this the other night. Late at night before downtime. Had 4 or 5 games with the same 20 or so people. Sometimes they would be with my squad other times they were against my squad. The difference wasn't in SP or bad match making it was people wearing garbage suits against a team that wanted to wear proto.
I vote for the ability to see a SP total for each player, squad, and team. Then it will come to light what the real problem is, people being cheap like people are. Accountant 514 I reminisce about the days when people stepped up their game when they recognized someone tough. But it's really not that simple. It's a combination of incentive vs. risk (asset loss) and the randomness of solo players that have really buggered up Dust. Thor, I really think the quality of players has changed and not for the better. As recently as a year or so ago you didn't see a mass exodus as soon as the tide turned. Many of the vets bailed from Dust and the tenacious FPS mentality went with them. Now the field is filled with COD plebes with modded controllers focused on a quick fix and have no willingness the HTFU when the tide turns against them. (Squads do make a difference but a tough board of randoms can rally just the same) I have had swings of 10-20 M isk within a three month period. Rising to the challenge can get expensive. Making it back means an intense couple of weeks as a logi. I adapt--just like everybody else because complaining isn't all that productive. There is no patch or tweak Rattai can make to improve the quality of players.
Although I do fear you are right about vets. I've talked to a couple new players and they tell me the game is to complicated. There's too many options (apparently this is a bad thing =ƒÿP)
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Posted - 2015.07.14 20:06:00 -
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Genral69 death wrote:Dragonmeballs wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:[quote=BrownEye1129]
Thor, I really think the quality of players has changed and not for the better. As recently as a year or so ago you didn't see a mass exodus as soon as the tide turned. Many of the vets bailed from Dust and the tenacious FPS mentality went with them. Now the field is filled with COD plebes with modded controllers focused on a quick fix and have no willingness the HTFU when the tide turns against them. (Squads do make a difference but a tough board of randoms can rally just the same) I have had swings of 10-20 M isk within a three month period. Rising to the challenge can get expensive. Making it back means an intense couple of weeks as a logi. I adapt--just like everybody else because complaining isn't all that productive. There is no patch or tweak Rattai can make to improve the quality of players. Although I do fear you are right about vets. I've talked to a couple new players and they tell me the game is to complicated. There's too many options (apparently this is a bad thing =ƒÿP)
Great point!
This game is more than a point and shoot. I did not learn most of what I needed to know playing the game. I spent a lot of time reading the forums. It is not an stretch to say the ratio of reading/playing is 1:3. I owe a lot to the forums and to those that share their knowledge.
Perhaps many players haven't been here or spent any time in the Rookie section. As they say you can't fix stupid but you can fix ignorance.
If I were to make one suggestion to Rattai to improve the NPE it would be to add a note on the screen just after log in of the game indicating the web address for these forums.
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Posted - 2015.07.14 20:40:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:AndyAndio wrote: adding APEX suits helped the no risk = full reward addiction, that has plenty of mercs hooked like it was crack.
I dont think this is gonna kill the game, but the future of having fun, certainly looks grim.- I don't understand why the APEX phenomenon has failed to generate more action. It gives you a better suit that can be tweaked to make great fits for less than 20K. You can die 10 times and still go ISK+.
I just cant even...
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Posted - 2015.07.14 22:00:00 -
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AndyAndio wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:AndyAndio wrote: adding APEX suits helped the no risk = full reward addiction, that has plenty of mercs hooked like it was crack.
I dont think this is gonna kill the game, but the future of having fun, certainly looks grim.- I don't understand why the APEX phenomenon has failed to generate more action. It gives you a better suit that can be tweaked to make great fits for less than 20K. You can die 10 times and still go ISK+. I just cant even...
I don't get it, please explain.
We hear that players can't afford to run decent suits, Apex solves that.
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Jathniel
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Posted - 2015.07.14 22:20:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:16 Players on Team A and 16 players on team b. Both team have been selected based mainly on SP. There are a few outliers on each team but for the most part everyone is right around 45mill SP give or take 5 mi.
Sounds even right?
Now what happens when Team A decides to use the proto gear they are capable of but Team B decides to use MLT and STD??
You get a proto stomp. I'm starting to believe it's less and less about match making and more to do with player wanting to be cheap and save a few isk. Noticed this the other night. Late at night before downtime. Had 4 or 5 games with the same 20 or so people. Sometimes they would be with my squad other times they were against my squad. The difference wasn't in SP or bad match making it was people wearing garbage suits against a team that wanted to wear proto.
I vote for the ability to see a SP total for each player, squad, and team. Then it will come to light what the real problem is, people being cheap like people are.
Haven't played in almost a year? (maybe more...?)
And I quit precisely because playing is not cost-effective (and because Dust is mostly dead and no word on a PC/PS4 release has been given).
It doesn't matter how good you are at the game. Matchmaking will ensure that you end up playing against people that are skilled enough to inevitably kill you. Which sounds like fun...! Right until you realize that your risk vs. reward is not balanced. Do a near-PC difficulty fight for.............. scrub-pub payout rate? That's risky, and people don't like that.
This game is about money. You want a fair game, but New Eden was never meant to be "fair".
Skilled players enjoy playing against skilled players, in high stakes matches like PC. But not in scrub-pubs.
The scrub-pub is where you go to farm sp and isk off of noobs, so you can compete in PC. The payout is so low, as it's designed to be a grind. When you have great slayers on both teams, shredding each other, in scrub-pubs, the cost benefit is lost.
No one cares about KDR. The only KDR that matters is the one recorded PER MATCH. And especially, PER PC.
The rest is irrelevant.
If you want to keep this matchmaking system, then turn up the payouts. Otherwise, stop bltching about people liking to save money. |
Jathniel
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Posted - 2015.07.14 22:32:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:AndyAndio wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:AndyAndio wrote: adding APEX suits helped the no risk = full reward addiction, that has plenty of mercs hooked like it was crack.
I dont think this is gonna kill the game, but the future of having fun, certainly looks grim.- I don't understand why the APEX phenomenon has failed to generate more action. It gives you a better suit that can be tweaked to make great fits for less than 20K. You can die 10 times and still go ISK+. I just cant even... I don't get it, please explain. We hear that players can't afford to run decent suits, Apex solves that.
Simple. No one wants to pay the cash to buy the suit. (Reasons vary. Mine is, that I don't want to give money to CCP for an item, that I will lose when the game finally completely croaks, because no PC/PS4 port has yet been announced.)
Others just don't want to go through the annoyance of grinding LP in FW. (Again reasons vary. Mine is, that FW takes too long to get into, if you can; and when you do you earn such little LP (win or lose) that the grind is discouraging. So you get bored and go do something else.)
APEX can solve the problem, but people just aren't motivated enough to actually bother get it.
Drop the price and lower the LP cost, to something that can be reasonably earned by someone in a few days (1 week?). And maybe we'll see this problem go away.
Seeing people leave matches before they start, or leaving mid match reflects on the game and the person:
"Damn it... I don't want to bother... this is so annoying."
My last days playing, I heard a lot of different people on comms sighing and groaning and raging instead of laughing. More people are just getting to the point where they just don't want to bother with the grind really. It's simply not fun. |
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Posted - 2015.07.15 05:24:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:AndyAndio wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:AndyAndio wrote: adding APEX suits helped the no risk = full reward addiction, that has plenty of mercs hooked like it was crack.
I dont think this is gonna kill the game, but the future of having fun, certainly looks grim.- I don't understand why the APEX phenomenon has failed to generate more action. It gives you a better suit that can be tweaked to make great fits for less than 20K. You can die 10 times and still go ISK+. I just cant even... I don't get it, please explain. We hear that players can't afford to run decent suits, Apex solves that. Simple. No one wants to pay the cash to buy the suit. (Reasons vary. Mine is, that I don't want to give money to CCP for an item, that I will lose when the game finally completely croaks, because no PC/PS4 port has yet been announced.) Others just don't want to go through the annoyance of grinding LP in FW. (Again reasons vary. Mine is, that FW takes too long to get into, if you can; and when you do you earn such little LP (win or lose) that the grind is discouraging. So you get bored and go do something else.) APEX can solve the problem, but people just aren't motivated enough to actually bother get it. Drop the price and lower the LP cost, to something that can be reasonably earned by someone in a few days (1 week?). And maybe we'll see this problem go away. Seeing people leave matches before they start, or leaving mid match reflects on the game and the person: "Damn it... I don't want to bother... this is so annoying." My last days playing, I heard a lot of different people on comms sighing and groaning and raging instead of laughing. More people are just getting to the point where they just don't want to bother with the grind really. It's simply not fun.
FW syncs are the only way to have fun in Dust. The matches aren't necessarily fun, but at least you don't have 6 dipshits in the mountains sniping while you are losing objectives.
I still like Dust because every few times I play there are a few matches that satisfy the old itch. |
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