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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.28 11:22:00 -
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Most vets dont care about ISK cause they allready have more then enough. The main appealing factor will be what you can get from that specific store. If there is no content that people desire then the interest in that will not be high enough. For example the main thing that keeps FW alive is that you can get apex suits from it. Skins maybe are aswell a nice thing but the interest in that is low compared to the suits. If i only can get generic junk from the DK store why should i then bother with PC?
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.28 11:49:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Most vets dont care about ISK cause they allready have more then enough. The main appealing factor will be what you can get from that specific store. If there is no content that people desire then the interest in that will not be high enough. For example the main thing that keeps FW alive is that you can get apex suits from it. Skins maybe are aswell a nice thing but the interest in that is low compared to the suits. If i only can get generic junk from the DK store why should i then bother with PC?
Sort of a high level concept that might not be feasible atm but I think that if PC players could sell their high-meta unused items for an ISK sum to the DK market at higher than NPC values and then subsequently purchase the items they want -with- DK than it'd double as both a driver for PC (through the accumulation of DK and purchasing of items with it) and also an asset sink. I'm just spitballing here so take it at face value but if the players provided the inventory for the DK market than you would see a greater variety of items with which DK could be purchased without having to make new items (like when Specialist gear was implemented to give FW uniqueness).
So, say for instance we have the DK market and it is empty.
Player A has 50 'Black Eagle' Assault Rifles he wants to get rid of but is impatient and doesn't want to find a direct buyer with which to use the traditional Trade function we have now. He takes those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs and sells them to the DK Market (or, 'Black Market', as it were) for a less than optimal ISK sum. It's less than he could potentially swindle from another player, but he gets the ISK now instead of having to find a buyer.
Those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs are put on the DK market and now someone can purchase them for DK's, generating a sort of 'real' economy without having to make new gear to make the DK market unique but also having it to where it is a semi-controlled environment.
But like I said, just spitballing ideas.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.28 12:48:00 -
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Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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benandjerrys
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.06.28 12:52:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
If pc produced end product planatery interaction material (ie wetware mainframes) it would not be percieced as power... It would be power. Honestly I don't see this as plausible in dusts current form.
We deserve...
ONE UNIVERSE//ONE WAR
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.06.28 13:00:00 -
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There are vets that care about isk. For example, I've been playing since beta, however I've only recently got into PC, mostly after isk rewards were reduced. I therefore have to be careful with isk to avoid going bankrupt. This is quite difficult as matchmaking often puts me against players using mostly proto and officer gear. But I agree that decent DK items would be a huge draw to PC.
I love Aeon's idea. I'm someone who's very reluctant to get into trading, despite owning a lot of officer gear I may never use. |
Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.28 13:03:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
Do you feel that this is the optimal end-game? Would you perhaps be willing to make changes on the design from a perception of power to legitimate power so that players feel a more substantial effect of progression toward that end-game?
As someone who has no interest in politics, I can understand the players that do want to go down the rabbit hole. These changes don't affect me as a mercenary as much because I'm probably not going to be gaining much [DK] from it. The perception that I'm aiding my corporation through daily missions is cool and all but my corporation isn't really after districts, so there isn't much we benefit from this.
Now, as an entity that would be after districts, I can kind of see the unique flare but I worry that it will become unpopular due to the same frustrations we deal with in FW: A separate currency with which is ultimately unattainable unless we are in FW and with which does not benefit us in any other market. ISK is a powerful motivator because, while a lot of players do have massive wealths of it, it is a general application currency that can be used virtually everywhere and can be made virtually everywhere.
DK, LP, and Aurum are sort of like 'store credit'. Useful in application but only in that confined spectrum. I -HAVE- to participate in PC to get DK, and I can only use DK in a confined market. Thereby, it is more novel than functional, and my time and efforts are probably better spent attaining ISK.
Some people ask us, "Where do you call home?"
And we say, "Home is where the bullets fly. Where the shells land."
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.06.28 13:10:00 -
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What I will likely do is purchase items from the DK market with DK and then turn around and sell them to an NPC vendor so that I don't have to deal with the restocking woes.
Having to deal with this hassle is frustrating when I need to restock quickly and that logic applies to both LP and Aurum items, so I figure it will also apply to DK items as well. Having a full ISK suit with an Aurum or LP weapon, for instance, will pull from both currencies when restocking. If I run out of LP, then I can no longer restock the fit. As said, this is frustrating, and I'd much rather take the hit to my ISK gains by selling those items to an NPC vendor than trying to deal with that hassle.
Some people ask us, "Where do you call home?"
And we say, "Home is where the bullets fly. Where the shells land."
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DiablosMajora
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Posted - 2015.06.28 13:11:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. Do you feel that this is the optimal end-game? Would you perhaps be willing to make changes on the design from a perception of power to legitimate power so that players feel a more substantial effect of progression toward that end-game? As someone who has no interest in politics, I can understand the players that do want to go down the rabbit hole. These changes don't affect me as a mercenary as much because I'm probably not going to be gaining much [DK] from it. The perception that I'm aiding my corporation through daily missions is cool and all but my corporation isn't really after districts, so there isn't much we benefit from this. Now, as an entity that would be after districts, I can kind of see the unique flare but I worry that it will become unpopular due to the same frustrations we deal with in FW: A separate currency with which is ultimately unattainable unless we are in FW and with which does not benefit us in any other market. ISK is a powerful motivator because, while a lot of players do have massive wealths of it, it is a general application currency that can be used virtually everywhere and can be made virtually everywhere. DK, LP, and Aurum are sort of like 'store credit'. Useful in application but only in that confined spectrum. I -HAVE- to participate in PC to get DK, and I can only use DK in a confined market. Thereby, it is more novel than functional, and my time and efforts are probably better spent attaining ISK.
Make DK stuff tradeable/sellable for the almighty isk?
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.06.28 13:53:00 -
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DiablosMajora wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. Do you feel that this is the optimal end-game? Would you perhaps be willing to make changes on the design from a perception of power to legitimate power so that players feel a more substantial effect of progression toward that end-game? As someone who has no interest in politics, I can understand the players that do want to go down the rabbit hole. These changes don't affect me as a mercenary as much because I'm probably not going to be gaining much [DK] from it. The perception that I'm aiding my corporation through daily missions is cool and all but my corporation isn't really after districts, so there isn't much we benefit from this. Now, as an entity that would be after districts, I can kind of see the unique flare but I worry that it will become unpopular due to the same frustrations we deal with in FW: A separate currency with which is ultimately unattainable unless we are in FW and with which does not benefit us in any other market. ISK is a powerful motivator because, while a lot of players do have massive wealths of it, it is a general application currency that can be used virtually everywhere and can be made virtually everywhere. DK, LP, and Aurum are sort of like 'store credit'. Useful in application but only in that confined spectrum. I -HAVE- to participate in PC to get DK, and I can only use DK in a confined market. Thereby, it is more novel than functional, and my time and efforts are probably better spent attaining ISK. Make DK stuff tradeable/sellable for the almighty isk?
Trouble is finding a buyer. Especially in the PC market and especially if the items presented in the DK Market are not functionally better than what can be bought for ISK. You'd have to sell it at less than market values and at that rate you might as well just sell it to the NPC vendor instead of trying to find a buyer.
So, yeah, I don't really think this is much of a 'jesus feature' and I don't think it is going to revive Planetary Conquest or Dust 514 as a whole. Not to be critical or cynical, just I don't feel that it is worth the hassle. But I hope to be wrong 
Some people ask us, "Where do you call home?"
And we say, "Home is where the bullets fly. Where the shells land."
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.28 14:04:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. Do you feel that this is the optimal end-game? Would you perhaps be willing to make changes on the design from a perception of power to legitimate power so that players feel a more substantial effect of progression toward that end-game? As someone who has no interest in politics, I can understand the players that do want to go down the rabbit hole. These changes don't affect me as a mercenary as much because I'm probably not going to be gaining much [DK] from it. The perception that I'm aiding my corporation through daily missions is cool and all but my corporation isn't really after districts, so there isn't much we benefit from this. Now, as an entity that would be after districts, I can kind of see the unique flare but I worry that it will become unpopular due to the same frustrations we deal with in FW: A separate currency with which is ultimately unattainable unless we are in FW and with which does not benefit us in any other market. ISK is a powerful motivator because, while a lot of players do have massive wealths of it, it is a general application currency that can be used virtually everywhere and can be made virtually everywhere. DK, LP, and Aurum are sort of like 'store credit'. Useful in application but only in that confined spectrum. I -HAVE- to participate in PC to get DK, and I can only use DK in a confined market. Thereby, it is more novel than functional, and my time and efforts are probably better spent attaining ISK.
I feel like this new PC system would work much better if all the items in the DK "store" could be traded.
Of course, ideally we'd have a full market system to make selling items much easier, but in that way you could sell that special gear to other players that want it at a significant markup, same as with Faction and Pirate gear/ships in EVE.
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A link from past to future
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
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Posted - 2015.06.28 14:08:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
Huh, I was kinda hoping there was gonna be something actually special in the DK store.
I was actually considering leaving my corp here to join up with a PC corp when it dropped depending on what was cool in there, but if DK is just isk by another name then I have plenty already...
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.28 15:21:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
Suggestion:
* Corp Fleet - Upgrade to afford corp members unique perks
* Planetary Conquest - The quickest way to get resources needed to upgrade Corp Fleet
* Raids - An alternative way to get resources needed to upgrade Corp Fleet
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.28 15:53:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. Do you feel that this is the optimal end-game? Would you perhaps be willing to make changes on the design from a perception of power to legitimate power so that players feel a more substantial effect of progression toward that end-game? As someone who has no interest in politics, I can understand the players that do want to go down the rabbit hole. These changes don't affect me as a mercenary as much because I'm probably not going to be gaining much [DK] from it. The perception that I'm aiding my corporation through daily missions is cool and all but my corporation isn't really after districts, so there isn't much we benefit from this. Now, as an entity that would be after districts, I can kind of see the unique flare but I worry that it will become unpopular due to the same frustrations we deal with in FW: A separate currency with which is ultimately unattainable unless we are in FW and with which does not benefit us in any other market. ISK is a powerful motivator because, while a lot of players do have massive wealths of it, it is a general application currency that can be used virtually everywhere and can be made virtually everywhere. DK, LP, and Aurum are sort of like 'store credit'. Useful in application but only in that confined spectrum. I -HAVE- to participate in PC to get DK, and I can only use DK in a confined market. Thereby, it is more novel than functional, and my time and efforts are probably better spent attaining ISK. I feel like this new PC system would work much better if all the items in the DK "store" could be traded. Of course, ideally we'd have a full market system to make selling items much easier, but in that way you could sell that special gear to other players that want it at a significant markup, same as with Faction and Pirate gear/ships in EVE.
The DK stuff will have to be trade able and worthwhile to get the masses interested. Same with loyalty items.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.06.28 16:05:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
We've done that for 3 years now..people rise and they all fall but none have fallen from a war they get tired of the only outcome being ISK..thats just not a good enough incentive anymore...plus if you use proto in PC you now lose way more than you earn. Thought PC is where the proto was supposed to be used? As I told the rest of my corp there is no real incentive I've had my share of GG's it's no longer worth the effort nor is the ISK
I apologize if that comes out rude.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.06.28 16:05:00 -
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I thought I saw in one of the screenshots that you could buy Jara Kumora from the DK store.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.06.28 16:08:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. We've done that for 3 years now..people rise and they all fall but none have fallen from a war they get tired of the only outcome being ISK..thats just not a good enough incentive anymore...plus if you use proto in PC you now lose way more than you earn. Thought PC is where the proto was supposed to be used? As I told the rest of my corp there is no real incentive I've had my share of GG's it's no longer worth the effort nor is the ISK I apologize if that comes out rude.
^ This.
A lot of the PC players have so much ISK that they really couldn't care less about it. Even I don't care about ISK. And that's without mentioning that PC payouts are rubbish now too. We need unique rewards that can only be gained through PC to get players interested! What happened to that unique EVE resource that was going to be only accessible by DUST mercs in PC? That would have been cool.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2015.06.28 16:12:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I thought I saw in one of the screenshots that you could buy Jara Kumora from the DK store.
Yep. 30000 DK.
Time to stockpile my waifu.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.28 16:19:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I thought I saw in one of the screenshots that you could buy Jara Kumora from the DK store.
They just had existing items in there to show the UI. It says that in the blog. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.28 16:24:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. We've done that for 3 years now..people rise and they all fall but none have fallen from a war they get tired of the only outcome being ISK..thats just not a good enough incentive anymore...plus if you use proto in PC you now lose way more than you earn. Thought PC is where the proto was supposed to be used? As I told the rest of my corp there is no real incentive I've had my share of GG's it's no longer worth the effort nor is the ISK I apologize if that comes out rude. ^ This. A lot of the PC players have so much ISK that they really couldn't care less about it. Even I don't care about ISK. And that's without mentioning that PC payouts are rubbish now too. We need unique rewards that can only be gained through PC to get players interested! What happened to that unique EVE resource that was going to be only accessible by DUST mercs in PC? That would have been cool.
Cool stuff in the DK store would make casuals in a large corp want to show up for clone pack attacks. Why else would they want to show up to get completely stomped?
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Heimdallr69
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Posted - 2015.06.28 16:35:00 -
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You could make unique dropsuits as well, weapons, vehicles..give them a cool color and maybe an extra slot for modules or another sidearm or something like inbetween officer and proto or make it have higher CPU and PG...make it so with so much DK you can make your own dropsuits and sell them same with weapons, vehicles...that still wouldn't change my incentive or at least not till a port happens but for the players who are staying here that would give them some hope some incentive other than just a different kind of ISK to buy the same stuff
Also jets
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:01:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
Perception of power? So, only the neckbeards with no life need apply. The rest of us have no use for PC. Make it count the least little bit toward EVE and it could matter.
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:01:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up.
ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded.
Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks. |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:09:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:You could make unique dropsuits as well, weapons, vehicles..give them a cool color and maybe an extra slot for modules or another sidearm or something like inbetween officer and proto or make it have higher CPU and PG...make it so with so much DK you can make your own dropsuits and sell them same with weapons, vehicles...that still wouldn't change my incentive or at least not till a port happens but for the players who are staying here that would give them some hope some incentive other than just a different kind of ISK to buy the same stuff
Also jets
Wont happend cause most of the new stuff that gets released ends up to be a hack job. We simply get some AUR items avaible in the DK store and thats about it. The highest hope that you can have is that there are maybe 1~3 skins but thats allready optimistic from my point of view. The whole concept of the new PC system can be boiled down to this:
-get lots of very active but rather bad players who contribute the lion part of your command points
-have the hardcore vets show up for PC
-sell clones here and then to give your vets ISK
-the active players get their share of the clone selling as DK.
I allready see very good corps recruiting players that would be way below their standard just so they can keep their districts and have enough command points ready when this update hits the game. The danger ahead is that we see another huge blue donout cause you could potentially make more ISK by not fighting in PC as in like this:
-blue donut gets formed with mega corps
-nobody is launching attacks cause fighting means loosing ISK (as others have allready stated)
-CP are only beeing used to sell like 150 clones a day
-99% of the districts will be production facilitys cause of their 150 clone production a day
-the great farming returns
So what safety is there to prevent a fiasco like this? Raiding can be neglected due to appearent fact that even raid matches start after 24 hours.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:12:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up. ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded. Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks.
So there's no reason to split casual and non casual?
I don't seen how there's any separation between FW and PC for groups. FW provides the persistent team play that PC doesn't.
And why are people still hung up on the Eve/Dust link? They've made it pretty clear that the games won't be anymore connected than they are now. |
Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:19:00 -
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thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up. ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded. Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks. So there's no reason to split casual and non casual? I don't seen how there's any separation between FW and PC for groups. FW provides the persistent team play that PC doesn't. And why are people still hung up on the Eve/Dust link? They've made it pretty clear that the games won't be anymore connected than they are now.
because splitting the player base has worked SO WELL so far?
This new store is going to incite more problems and a bigger separation between PC vs casuals. It's not helping introduce anything but more issues. Who the hell thought this was a good idea? |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:21:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote: Who the hell thought this was a good idea?
CPM most likely |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:21:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You could make unique dropsuits as well, weapons, vehicles..give them a cool color and maybe an extra slot for modules or another sidearm or something like inbetween officer and proto or make it have higher CPU and PG...make it so with so much DK you can make your own dropsuits and sell them same with weapons, vehicles...that still wouldn't change my incentive or at least not till a port happens but for the players who are staying here that would give them some hope some incentive other than just a different kind of ISK to buy the same stuff
Also jets Wont happend cause most of the new stuff that gets released ends up to be a hack job. We simply get some AUR items avaible in the DK store and thats about it. The highest hope that you can have is that there are maybe 1~3 skins but thats allready optimistic from my point of view. The whole concept of the new PC system can be boiled down to this: -get lots of very active but rather bad players who contribute the lion part of your command points -have the hardcore vets show up for PC -sell clones here and then to give your vets ISK -the active players get their share of the clone selling as DK. I allready see very good corps recruiting players that would be way below their standard just so they can keep their districts and have enough command points ready when this update hits the game. The danger ahead is that we see another huge blue donout cause you could potentially make more ISK by not fighting in PC as in like this: -blue donut gets formed with mega corps -nobody is launching attacks cause fighting means loosing ISK (as others have allready stated) -CP are only beeing used to sell like 150 clones a day -99% of the districts will be production facilitys cause of their 150 clone production a day -the great farming returns So what safety is there to prevent a fiasco like this? Raiding can be neglected due to appearent fact that even raid matches start after 24 hours.
Where were you when there was months and months of feedback?
There's no chance that the current PC community can generate enough CP to handle 245 districts. The pathway for lower skill corps to disrupt PC is there, we just need a Contraban Joe or two to get some quantity over quality corps humming again.
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
1
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:24:00 -
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thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up. ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded. Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks. So there's no reason to split casual and non casual? I don't seen how there's any separation between FW and PC for groups. FW provides the persistent team play that PC doesn't. And why are people still hung up on the Eve/Dust link? They've made it pretty clear that the games won't be anymore connected than they are now.
while it may not be anymore connected, they can still finished the parts they started. medium and large size orbital strikes . the ability to select districts or systems to attack in FW so dust players can coordinate attacks with eve pilots. On top of that, it was specifically asked of the dust community for ways we that we can increase the overall "feel" of being in New Eden. that's why we have SKINS named after and that look like their eve corp conuterparts.
theres no such thing as casual competitive play. youre either competitive or youre not. FW and PC are competitive. Pubs are for casual play since we dont have PvE. but since Pubs are the only real way to make ISK, even the Pubs arent really casual because youve got tryhards running around in it stomping the casual players out.
PvE wouldve save us all
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
492
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:27:00 -
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Shadowed Cola wrote:thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up. ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded. Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks. So there's no reason to split casual and non casual? I don't seen how there's any separation between FW and PC for groups. FW provides the persistent team play that PC doesn't. And why are people still hung up on the Eve/Dust link? They've made it pretty clear that the games won't be anymore connected than they are now. because splitting the player base has worked SO WELL so far? This new store is going to incite more problems and a bigger separation between PC vs casuals. It's not helping introduce anything but more issues. Who the hell thought this was a good idea?
A thousand man corp should be able to generate a ton of CP. Apex suits and BPOs for the lulz and they make more ISK than they've ever made.
This brings the casuals and the non casuals together. If they want to make ISK some other way than hiding and playing passively the opportunity is there. |
Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
229
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:28:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:
PvE wouldve save us all
that, or a true sand box PC. It needs more land with limiting ability to hop around the entire map at a push of a button. CCP - stop with the damn stores and concentrate on what really matters.
We know it's just a set up to introduce more AUR purchases later, you're not fooling anyone. |
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
493
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:29:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up. ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded. Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks. So there's no reason to split casual and non casual? I don't seen how there's any separation between FW and PC for groups. FW provides the persistent team play that PC doesn't. And why are people still hung up on the Eve/Dust link? They've made it pretty clear that the games won't be anymore connected than they are now. while it may not be anymore connected, they can still finished the parts they started. medium and large size orbital strikes . the ability to select districts or systems to attack in FW so dust players can coordinate attacks with eve pilots. On top of that, it was specifically asked of the dust community for ways we that we can increase the overall "feel" of being in New Eden. that's why we have SKINS named after and that look like their eve corp conuterparts. theres no such thing as casual competitive play. youre either competitive or youre not. FW and PC are competitive. Pubs are for casual play since we dont have PvE. but since Pubs are the only real way to make ISK, even the Pubs arent really casual because youve got tryhards running around in it stomping the casual players out. PvE wouldve save us all
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
233
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:30:00 -
[32] - Quote
thor424 wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up. ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded. Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks. So there's no reason to split casual and non casual? I don't seen how there's any separation between FW and PC for groups. FW provides the persistent team play that PC doesn't. And why are people still hung up on the Eve/Dust link? They've made it pretty clear that the games won't be anymore connected than they are now. because splitting the player base has worked SO WELL so far? This new store is going to incite more problems and a bigger separation between PC vs casuals. It's not helping introduce anything but more issues. Who the hell thought this was a good idea? A thousand man corp should be able to generate a ton of CP. Apex suits and BPOs for the lulz and they make more ISK than they've ever made. This brings the casuals and the non casuals together. If they want to make ISK some other way than hiding and playing passively the opportunity is there.
Casual: I want to PC
Vet: Nope, sorry, you're too weak.
casual: when can i PC?
Vet: around 15mil SP
Casual: But... that's a long way away...
Vet: oh well too bad, PC is tough.
Casual: I'm so glad CCP forced us together so i can be farmed by vets.
This isn't the solution, NPE needs to be improved to allow low SP players a chance to compete in there own way, via RAIDING MECHANIC.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
5
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:32:00 -
[33] - Quote
thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up. ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded. Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks. So there's no reason to split casual and non casual? I don't seen how there's any separation between FW and PC for groups. FW provides the persistent team play that PC doesn't. And why are people still hung up on the Eve/Dust link? They've made it pretty clear that the games won't be anymore connected than they are now. while it may not be anymore connected, they can still finished the parts they started. medium and large size orbital strikes . the ability to select districts or systems to attack in FW so dust players can coordinate attacks with eve pilots. On top of that, it was specifically asked of the dust community for ways we that we can increase the overall "feel" of being in New Eden. that's why we have SKINS named after and that look like their eve corp conuterparts. theres no such thing as casual competitive play. youre either competitive or youre not. FW and PC are competitive. Pubs are for casual play since we dont have PvE. but since Pubs are the only real way to make ISK, even the Pubs arent really casual because youve got tryhards running around in it stomping the casual players out. PvE wouldve save us all I know, it's weird that people expect PvP in an FPS
I'm here for the zombies.. Something about killing them with my jet and dropping ob's on them..vehicle spam
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
494
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:45:00 -
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Sota, I think you are not seeing the big picture.
For most PC corps they don't have enough players to generate enough CP to hold more than a handful of districts. Unless they just want to hold them for the heck of it.
With team deploy in FW and hopefully open trading you'll have more people playing as a team as opposed to 80% solo in pubs. All of the ramps leading up to PC are there now. Small elite corps won't be able to hold absurd amounts of land.
I think it's wayyyyyy too late and PC 2.0 will be a huge flop (see hints at crappy DK store items) due to a playerbase that can't even stomach losing a few clones trying to hold an objective in a pub match. By ignoring the crappy incentives for so long CCP has conditioned players to shy away from combat. I believe CCP will have to get very aggressive and throw caution to the wind in regards to our "economy" to get people fighting for wins in all game modes. |
Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:48:00 -
[35] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
So you don't want to increase active participation in PC.
Gotcha.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:50:00 -
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thor424 wrote:Sota, I think you are not seeing the big picture.
For most PC corps they don't have enough players to generate enough CP to hold more than a handful of districts. Unless they just want to hold them for the heck of it.
The way I understood it, CP has nothing to do with your ability to "hold onto" districts. CP is used to sell clones for profit or launch attacks. Nothing to do with your ability to defend said districts.
If you don't have enough CP to generate profit on those extra districts, then they sit there, same as now, and do nothing but look pretty.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
494
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:52:00 -
[37] - Quote
Sota you can earn 15 mil SP in no time these days, but I don't see this as a requirement for a free clone pack earned by just playing Dust.
I see corps with attacks and people just show up for the laughs at first. Groups within derp corps will want to take it more serious and build legit teams. With FW they can do PC ops 24/7 and hone their tactics (I realize it's not the same level, but NFL teams do walkthroughs).
CBJ would have made this upcoming system lots of fun. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
494
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:55:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:thor424 wrote:Sota, I think you are not seeing the big picture.
For most PC corps they don't have enough players to generate enough CP to hold more than a handful of districts. Unless they just want to hold them for the heck of it.
The way I understood it, CP has nothing to do with your ability to "hold onto" districts. CP is used to sell clones for profit or launch attacks. Nothing to do with your ability to defend said districts. If you don't have enough CP to generate profit on those extra districts, then they sit there, same as now, and do nothing but look pretty.
I think this situation is without a doubt the likely outcome. But the mechanics are there to prevent what's happened thus far in PC. It's up to all the "PC exploit whiners" to do something about it now. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
494
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:56:00 -
[39] - Quote
Tebu Gan wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. So you don't want to increase active participation in PC. Gotcha.
When corps can't give districts away, you'd think this would be understood. Bigger carrot needed. |
Larkson Crazy Eye
WarRavens
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
0
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:11:00 -
[40] - Quote
Well I haven't kept up with all the changes, but if it still functions the same as it is now with districts being attacked and defended at around 2am Pacific standard time I don't think this will be a huge hit. One of the biggest problems with FW was always just being able to get into a match. It was a huge problem in general, and nearly impossible for certain factions at various times of the day. PC is worse right now.
Add to that it's a very limited rooster of people that can get into a PC and since the battles are so important most Corp's only want ringers on their team. So for most people you just won't have a chance to even get into a PC battle, let enough of them to earn points for some cool new feature like the Apex from FW. |
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:15:00 -
[41] - Quote
Larkson Crazy Eye wrote:Well I haven't kept up with all the changes, but if it still functions the same as it is now with districts being attacked and defended at around 2am Pacific standard time I don't think this will be a huge hit. One of the biggest problems with FW was always just being able to get into a match. It was a huge problem in general, and nearly impossible for certain factions at various times of the day. PC is worse right now.
Add to that it's a very limited rooster of people that can get into a PC and since the battles are so important most Corp's only want ringers on their team. So for most people you just won't have a chance to even get into a PC battle, let enough of them to earn points for some cool new feature like the Apex from FW.
There's a new dev blog, you should read it. |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:36:00 -
[42] - Quote
thor424 wrote:Sota, I think you are not seeing the big picture.
For most PC corps they don't have enough players to generate enough CP to hold more than a handful of districts. Unless they just want to hold them for the heck of it.
With team deploy in FW and hopefully open trading you'll have more people playing as a team as opposed to 80% solo in pubs. All of the ramps leading up to PC are there now. Small elite corps won't be able to hold absurd amounts of land.
I think it's wayyyyyy too late and PC 2.0 will be a huge flop (see hints at crappy DK store items) due to a playerbase that can't even stomach losing a few clones trying to hold an objective in a pub match. By ignoring the crappy incentives for so long CCP has conditioned players to shy away from combat. I believe CCP will have to get very aggressive and throw caution to the wind in regards to our "economy" to get people fighting for wins in all game modes.
Im sorry to burst your bubble but team deploy wont come to FW. Soraya and IWS pushed hard against this idea cause of the argument that solo players would be screwed in FW. ironically they dont contribute anything to FW to begin with.
I got the information about Soraya and IWS from a reliable source which comes from within the system.
thor424 wrote:
Where were you when there was months and months of feedback?
There's no chance that the current PC community can generate enough CP to handle 245 districts. The pathway for lower skill corps to disrupt PC is there, we just need a Contraban Joe or two to get some quantity over quality corps humming again.
Cause i simply didnt care and i like to see what ideas the community comes up with. Then it gets bashed by the CPM just so that then the large landholders can keep their turf. The original idea of command points aswell included that you need them aswell for defending districts. But that has beeing scrapped cause that would endanger the status quo where you only need your best players for PC not the rest that farms CP with their daylie missions.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:50:00 -
[43] - Quote
Bright Cloud wrote:thor424 wrote:Sota, I think you are not seeing the big picture.
For most PC corps they don't have enough players to generate enough CP to hold more than a handful of districts. Unless they just want to hold them for the heck of it.
With team deploy in FW and hopefully open trading you'll have more people playing as a team as opposed to 80% solo in pubs. All of the ramps leading up to PC are there now. Small elite corps won't be able to hold absurd amounts of land.
I think it's wayyyyyy too late and PC 2.0 will be a huge flop (see hints at crappy DK store items) due to a playerbase that can't even stomach losing a few clones trying to hold an objective in a pub match. By ignoring the crappy incentives for so long CCP has conditioned players to shy away from combat. I believe CCP will have to get very aggressive and throw caution to the wind in regards to our "economy" to get people fighting for wins in all game modes. Im sorry to burst your bubble but team deploy wont come to FW. Soraya and IWS pushed hard against this idea cause of the argument that solo players would be screwed in FW. ironically they dont contribute anything to FW to begin with. I got the information about Soraya and IWS from a reliable source which comes from within the system. thor424 wrote:
Where were you when there was months and months of feedback?
There's no chance that the current PC community can generate enough CP to handle 245 districts. The pathway for lower skill corps to disrupt PC is there, we just need a Contraban Joe or two to get some quantity over quality corps humming again.
Cause i simply didnt care and i like to see what ideas the community comes up with. Then it gets bashed by the CPM just so that then the large landholders can keep their turf. The original idea of command points aswell included that you need them aswell for defending districts. But that has beeing scrapped cause that would endanger the status quo where you only need your best players for PC not the rest that farms CP with their daylie missions.
8 man squads are going to make syncing FW much easier. 8 goes into 16, my math says you'd need 2 8 man squads instead of herding cats into two 6s and a 4, or two 5s and a 6.
Requiring corps to open up their recruiting to logistically operate in PC is a good thing. Those players not doing PC will actually get something from being in a corp, if the DK store sucks people won't go through the trouble.
I don't see why you are upset with the CPM, I know for a fact Cross and SMB have lobbied hard for team deploy. Direct your hate at the scrub Soraya.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:58:00 -
[44] - Quote
You will still need to have all 16 players pay full attention. Cause if the sync fails then you need those players to back out on their own. While with team deploy all 16 players deploy into the same match, at the same time and you only need 1 person to deploy them. So in reality its a difference to have 1 guy queing and having 16 people paing attention for the whole time of the que. Trust me having them all pay attention can be harder as you might think.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Booby Tuesdays
Bad Mother Thukkers
1
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:02:00 -
[45] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
PLEASE do not make LP items available for purchase via DK. The LP items and SKINs should be available through FW only.
Pretty please with a friggin cherry on top.
Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:06:00 -
[46] - Quote
Bright Cloud wrote:You will still need to have all 16 players pay full attention. Cause if the sync fails then you need those players to back out on their own. While with team deploy all 16 players deploy into the same match, at the same time and you only need 1 person to deploy them. So in reality its a difference to have 1 guy queing and having 16 people paying attention for the whole time of the que. Trust me having them all pay attention can be harder as you might think.
I run in FW syncs at least 80% of my Dust playtime.
Set squads to public and lock them. This way you can see the number of players in the squads and if they are deployed or not. This makes things quite a bit easier on the herding cats front.
This is much, much better than nothing. Syncs will be predominant in FW even more so. I'd have to think at some point they'll stop resisting what the players want and open up full team deploy to FW to at least remove some of the annoyance.
How long has Dust ignored the team play that makes it stand out from other games? Screw solo players. If they want easy mode, do pubs. Make pubs meta level ADV and the squad sizes of 4 and solo players have their own paradise. With open trading they can buy the stuff they aren't willing to work for and everybody wins. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:07:00 -
[47] - Quote
Booby Tuesdays wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. PLEASE do not make LP items available for purchase via DK. The LP items and SKINs should be available through FW only. Pretty please with a friggin cherry on top.
There's no way they'd do this.
PC corps will be running so much FW anyway. |
Booby Tuesdays
Bad Mother Thukkers
1
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:14:00 -
[48] - Quote
thor424 wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. PLEASE do not make LP items available for purchase via DK. The LP items and SKINs should be available through FW only. Pretty please with a friggin cherry on top. There's no way they'd do this. PC corps will be running so much FW anyway.
The second item down in the DK store is a Caldari Light State Marine LP SKIN. Selling for 1,000 DK. Take a look at the picture in the PC Revamp thread.
Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
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Deputy ReGnUM
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2015.06.28 20:11:00 -
[49] - Quote
I was really hoping for some gear that really mimicked specialist type weapons. Nothing that increased base stats but instead reduced CPU and PG cost per mod or weapon. I love the idea of fine tuning your fits for max efficiency and power. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2015.06.28 20:17:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:thor424 wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. PLEASE do not make LP items available for purchase via DK. The LP items and SKINs should be available through FW only. Pretty please with a friggin cherry on top. There's no way they'd do this. PC corps will be running so much FW anyway. The second item down in the DK store is a Caldari Light State Marine LP SKIN. Selling for 1,000 DK. Take a look at the picture in the PC Revamp thread.
Dev blog says those are just placeholder items so they could show the UI |
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
497
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Posted - 2015.06.28 20:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
Deputy ReGnUM wrote:I was really hoping for some gear that really mimicked specialist type weapons. Nothing that increased base stats but instead reduced CPU and PG cost per mod or weapon. I love the idea of fine tuning your fits for max efficiency and power.
Complex mods that fit like enhanced would be pretty cool.
It's something the loyalty store doesn't have. Also solves the problem of not being able to fit out a suit if loyal to a certain faction. |
Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
852
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Posted - 2015.06.28 23:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote: Who the hell thought this was a good idea? CPM most likely
That's what people get for recruiting their blow buddies. Chatting in PC squads doesn't mean people will make good CPM members. There needs to be more people that care about the whole picture and support the game as a product, not blue donut hoes.
MY CPM2 PLATFORM
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
852
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Posted - 2015.06.28 23:39:00 -
[53] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
Simple fix to connect to EVE. Even in high sec you can allow for command centers or other PI structures to be attacked via either random NPC corps or player run matches. Upon the defending team winning or losing, the game sends that info to EVE. EVE then flags that command center or other structure as either safe due to being defended or lost due to the attackers winning match.
How hard would that be?
In addition, you could add PI stuff that is important to both EVE and DUST or something like that. You could at least move toward basic resources needed in EVE only being obtained by PI and make DUST basically matter. Make Moon mining only possible via planet control. That wouldn't be hard.
PC would matter with only a minimum amout of programming to make the EVE connection. Seriously, it's just flipping a virtual switch to say yes or no on somebody's PI structures.
MY CPM2 PLATFORM
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
498
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Posted - 2015.06.28 23:45:00 -
[54] - Quote
Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. Simple fix to connect to EVE. Even in high sec you can allow for command centers or other PI structures to be attacked via either random NPC corps or player run matches. Upon the defending team winning or losing, the game sends that info to EVE. EVE then flags that command center or other structure as either safe due to being defended or lost due to the attackers winning match. How hard would that be? In addition, you could add PI stuff that is important to both EVE and DUST or something like that. You could at least move toward basic resources needed in EVE only being obtained by PI and make DUST basically matter. Make Moon mining only possible via planet control. That wouldn't be hard. PC would matter with only a minimum amout of programming to make the EVE connection. Seriously, it's just flipping a virtual switch to say yes or no on somebody's PI structures.
Eve isn't going to get connected to Dust anymore than it already has been. It's far more likely for the OB link to be removed than to see any further connection. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
498
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Posted - 2015.06.28 23:51:00 -
[55] - Quote
Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote: Who the hell thought this was a good idea? CPM most likely That's what people get for recruiting their blow buddies. Chatting in PC squads doesn't mean people will make good CPM members. There needs to be more people that care about the whole picture and support the game as a product, not blue donut hoes.
There were representatives from corporations past and present with carrying degrees of PC experience that provided feedback for months. People gave potential exploits and they broke it down to look for solutions.
PC 2.0 is without a doubt a community project.
Even if your take on the CPM were accurate, it's not like Rattati is a clueless drone drooling over his keyboard. |
DDx77
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
317
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Posted - 2015.06.29 00:43:00 -
[56] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
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I think with this thought process the DK store will be a missed opportunity.
The first thing I thought when I saw this idea was that it would encourage more players to participate in PC battles (of course dpending on what items are available and if they're worth the effort)
- Caution - Incoming Spitball:
What if you allowed corps to purchase or unlock items for the DK store that their members buy for DK.
put a monthly fee or upkeep on these items in order to keep them in the store
You could buy them like clone packs (ie: Add unique skin to Corp DK store = 50 mil isk - upkeep 5 mil)
And the key is that these items are tied to that Corp in such a way that if these members leave the Corp their purchased DK items are deleted.
Also all DK should be lost whenever you leave a Corp
You could have corps offer very unique/rare items. Imagine a Corp recruiting members by advertising the items they have unlocked for the DK store |
Mr.Pepe Le Pew
Art.of.Death
184
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Posted - 2015.06.29 01:49:00 -
[57] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Most vets dont care about ISK cause they allready have more then enough. The main appealing factor will be what you can get from that specific store. If there is no content that people desire then the interest in that will not be high enough. For example the main thing that keeps FW alive is that you can get apex suits from it. Skins maybe are aswell a nice thing but the interest in that is low compared to the suits. If i only can get generic junk from the DK store why should i then bother with PC? Sort of a high level concept that might not be feasible atm but I think that if PC players could sell their high-meta unused items for an ISK sum to the DK market at higher than NPC values and then subsequently purchase the items they want -with- DK than it'd double as both a driver for PC (through the accumulation of DK and purchasing of items with it) and also an asset sink. I'm just spitballing here so take it at face value but if the players provided the inventory for the DK market than you would see a greater variety of items with which DK could be purchased without having to make new items (like when Specialist gear was implemented to give FW uniqueness). So, say for instance we have the DK market and it is empty. Player A has 50 'Black Eagle' Assault Rifles he wants to get rid of but is impatient and doesn't want to find a direct buyer with which to use the traditional Trade function we have now. He takes those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs and sells them to the DK Market (or, 'Black Market', as it were) for a less than optimal ISK sum. It's less than he could potentially swindle from another player, but he gets the ISK now instead of having to find a buyer. Those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs are put on the DK market and now someone can purchase them for DK's, generating a sort of 'real' economy without having to make new gear to make the DK market unique but also having it to where it is a semi-controlled environment. But like I said, just spitballing ideas.
Grandiose, my friend! Keep spit-balling. You should send an invoice to CCP for all your ideas. You'd be rich.
CEO / Art.of.Death
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
500
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Posted - 2015.06.29 02:38:00 -
[58] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Most vets dont care about ISK cause they allready have more then enough. The main appealing factor will be what you can get from that specific store. If there is no content that people desire then the interest in that will not be high enough. For example the main thing that keeps FW alive is that you can get apex suits from it. Skins maybe are aswell a nice thing but the interest in that is low compared to the suits. If i only can get generic junk from the DK store why should i then bother with PC? Sort of a high level concept that might not be feasible atm but I think that if PC players could sell their high-meta unused items for an ISK sum to the DK market at higher than NPC values and then subsequently purchase the items they want -with- DK than it'd double as both a driver for PC (through the accumulation of DK and purchasing of items with it) and also an asset sink. I'm just spitballing here so take it at face value but if the players provided the inventory for the DK market than you would see a greater variety of items with which DK could be purchased without having to make new items (like when Specialist gear was implemented to give FW uniqueness). So, say for instance we have the DK market and it is empty. Player A has 50 'Black Eagle' Assault Rifles he wants to get rid of but is impatient and doesn't want to find a direct buyer with which to use the traditional Trade function we have now. He takes those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs and sells them to the DK Market (or, 'Black Market', as it were) for a less than optimal ISK sum. It's less than he could potentially swindle from another player, but he gets the ISK now instead of having to find a buyer. Those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs are put on the DK market and now someone can purchase them for DK's, generating a sort of 'real' economy without having to make new gear to make the DK market unique but also having it to where it is a semi-controlled environment. But like I said, just spitballing ideas.
I like this idea, but I want to see specialist modules
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
1
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Posted - 2015.06.29 03:10:00 -
[59] - Quote
Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. Perception of power? So, only the neckbeards with no life need apply. The rest of us have no use for PC. Make it count the least little bit toward EVE and it could matter.
That's just complete negative bullshit you're spewing.
You can casually play PC.
The enemies of God stand broken before us. The light of the Reclaiming shines over them!
12/13/14 Never forget
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
502
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Posted - 2015.06.29 03:14:00 -
[60] - Quote
THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. Perception of power? So, only the neckbeards with no life need apply. The rest of us have no use for PC. Make it count the least little bit toward EVE and it could matter. That's just complete negative bullshit you're spewing.
It's like a high school athlete dismissing pro sports as something no high school athlete has a use for. |
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
1
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Posted - 2015.06.29 05:27:00 -
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thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:thor424 wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up. ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded. Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks. So there's no reason to split casual and non casual? I don't seen how there's any separation between FW and PC for groups. FW provides the persistent team play that PC doesn't. And why are people still hung up on the Eve/Dust link? They've made it pretty clear that the games won't be anymore connected than they are now. while it may not be anymore connected, they can still finished the parts they started. medium and large size orbital strikes . the ability to select districts or systems to attack in FW so dust players can coordinate attacks with eve pilots. On top of that, it was specifically asked of the dust community for ways we that we can increase the overall "feel" of being in New Eden. that's why we have SKINS named after and that look like their eve corp conuterparts. theres no such thing as casual competitive play. youre either competitive or youre not. FW and PC are competitive. Pubs are for casual play since we dont have PvE. but since Pubs are the only real way to make ISK, even the Pubs arent really casual because youve got tryhards running around in it stomping the casual players out. PvE wouldve save us all I know, it's weird that people expect PvP in an FPS
It's 2015. FPS games are expected to include PVE these days.
Whether single player campaign modes or "zombie" modes, not everyone that enjoys FPS games is looking for PVP and it's ignorant to assume otherwise
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
299
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Posted - 2015.06.29 08:16:00 -
[62] - Quote
^ True ****.
CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation
Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today!
Thank you for DUST
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
24
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Posted - 2015.06.29 08:20:00 -
[63] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
OP's point is that ISK is irrelevant to some players as we have hundreds of millions or even billions of ISK. Perception of power is basically irrelevant from a gameplay perspective.
As a result, the most interesting thing to a lot of people is the DK aspect.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.29 08:57:00 -
[64] - Quote
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. OP's point is that ISK is irrelevant to some players as we have hundreds of millions or even billions of ISK. Perception of power is basically irrelevant from a gameplay perspective. As a result, the most interesting thing to a lot of people is the DK aspect.
Din, ding, ding, ladys and gentleman we have a winner.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
1
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Posted - 2015.06.29 09:37:00 -
[65] - Quote
Bright Cloud wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. OP's point is that ISK is irrelevant to some players as we have hundreds of millions or even billions of ISK. Perception of power is basically irrelevant from a gameplay perspective. As a result, the most interesting thing to a lot of people is the DK aspect. Din, ding, ding, ladys and gentleman we have a winner.
No one here is against new content, or even content gained from owning a district. The issue is that we now have a new currency that was arbitrarily created and can only be spent in a new market.
Remove the DK and simply have districts "produce" these items and offer them to corp members to but from the corp. the corp gains ISK. Offer corp shares to dust mercs, and allow is to pay dividends.
DKs? This ain't donkey kong son. We don't need stupid **** to further complicate this game. There is now reason ever for three separate market currencies. Ever. |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1
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Posted - 2015.06.29 10:21:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.
There needs to be a ranking system for this to really be an incentive. I don't care if my corporation owns 1 of 200 districts or even 10 districts, what I want is to be #1, more realistically I want to be #135 but shooting for #132 tomorrow.
Because, that's why.
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
236
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Posted - 2015.06.29 12:01:00 -
[67] - Quote
You guys arguing for this change - do you even PC?
Do you do something with your time other then play against the worst players in this game and tell CCP how to make changes through it?
This is the reality: When this mechanic drops it will be in every good players favor to say **** the rest of you. 2 groups are already primed to do this, and do this together, and plan on it.
PC will be turned into DK whoring, with corps mass recruiting useless players to farm CP as the players already always doing PC continue to do so, and reap the most rewards, again.
Do you think the casual has a choice other then be farmed? It's either try to get what you can from the bigger corps or nothing at all, the smaller cost entry to PC still has one major issue: You still need to win.
And the corps already in PC aren't going to be letting anyone else win as soon as districts have value and battles themselves become ISK sinks.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
504
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Posted - 2015.06.29 12:13:00 -
[68] - Quote
Shadowed Cola wrote:You guys arguing for this change - do you even PC?
Do you do something with your time other then play against the worst players in this game and tell CCP how to make changes through it?
This is the reality: When this mechanic drops it will be in every good players favor to say **** the rest of you. 2 groups are already primed to do this, and do this together, and plan on it.
PC will be turned into DK whoring, with corps mass recruiting useless players to farm CP as the players already always doing PC continue to do so, and reap the most rewards, again.
Do you think the casual has a choice other then be farmed? It's either try to get what you can from the bigger corps or nothing at all, the smaller cost entry to PC still has one major issue: You still need to win.
And the corps already in PC aren't going to be letting anyone else win as soon as districts have value and battles themselves become ISK sinks.
so what you are saying is that we need a time machine, then we can go back to 5/14/13 and implement these changes? |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.29 12:14:00 -
[69] - Quote
Shadowed Cola wrote:You guys arguing for this change - do you even PC?
Do you do something with your time other then play against the worst players in this game and tell CCP how to make changes through it?
This is the reality: When this mechanic drops it will be in every good players favor to say **** the rest of you. 2 groups are already primed to do this, and do this together, and plan on it.
PC will be turned into DK whoring, with corps mass recruiting useless players to farm CP as the players already always doing PC continue to do so, and reap the most rewards, again.
Do you think the casual has a choice other then be farmed? It's either try to get what you can from the bigger corps or nothing at all, the smaller cost entry to PC still has one major issue: You still need to win.
And the corps already in PC aren't going to be letting anyone else win as soon as districts have value and battles themselves become ISK sinks.
To be fair the CP slaves will have a benefit aswell. Cause the DK that will be automatically spreaded among the corp wont be a random number. The people that contributed the most CP will aswell get the most DK while the ISK from the clone selling will go into the corp wallet which can only be accessed by directors and the CEO.
To put it simply:
-CP slaves get more DK then the rather inactive vets who mainly show up for PC matches
-Vets will get their share from the clone selling ISK and a small portion of the DK
Exceptions are if you are a vet who still plays alot and contributes alot of CP and participate in PC matches. Then you get DK and ISK.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
504
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Posted - 2015.06.29 12:15:00 -
[70] - Quote
DeathwindRising wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.
PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power. OP's point is that ISK is irrelevant to some players as we have hundreds of millions or even billions of ISK. Perception of power is basically irrelevant from a gameplay perspective. As a result, the most interesting thing to a lot of people is the DK aspect. Din, ding, ding, ladys and gentleman we have a winner. No one here is against new content, or even content gained from owning a district. The issue is that we now have a new currency that was arbitrarily created and can only be spent in a new market. Remove the DK and simply have districts "produce" these items and offer them to corp members to but from the corp. the corp gains ISK. Offer corp shares to dust mercs, and allow is to pay dividends. DKs? This ain't donkey kong son. We don't need stupid **** to further complicate this game. There is now reason ever for three separate market currencies. Ever.
I'd like to see ISK removed and what are now called components become the main currency |
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Shadowed Cola
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
236
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Posted - 2015.06.29 12:21:00 -
[71] - Quote
thor424 wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:You guys arguing for this change - do you even PC?
Do you do something with your time other then play against the worst players in this game and tell CCP how to make changes through it?
This is the reality: When this mechanic drops it will be in every good players favor to say **** the rest of you. 2 groups are already primed to do this, and do this together, and plan on it.
PC will be turned into DK whoring, with corps mass recruiting useless players to farm CP as the players already always doing PC continue to do so, and reap the most rewards, again.
Do you think the casual has a choice other then be farmed? It's either try to get what you can from the bigger corps or nothing at all, the smaller cost entry to PC still has one major issue: You still need to win.
And the corps already in PC aren't going to be letting anyone else win as soon as districts have value and battles themselves become ISK sinks.
so what you are saying is that we need a time machine, then we can go back to 5/14/13 and implement these changes?
Or just get rid of the useless store and work on mechanics that might... you know... matter? |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
505
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Posted - 2015.06.29 12:25:00 -
[72] - Quote
Shadowed Cola wrote:thor424 wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:You guys arguing for this change - do you even PC?
Do you do something with your time other then play against the worst players in this game and tell CCP how to make changes through it?
This is the reality: When this mechanic drops it will be in every good players favor to say **** the rest of you. 2 groups are already primed to do this, and do this together, and plan on it.
PC will be turned into DK whoring, with corps mass recruiting useless players to farm CP as the players already always doing PC continue to do so, and reap the most rewards, again.
Do you think the casual has a choice other then be farmed? It's either try to get what you can from the bigger corps or nothing at all, the smaller cost entry to PC still has one major issue: You still need to win.
And the corps already in PC aren't going to be letting anyone else win as soon as districts have value and battles themselves become ISK sinks.
so what you are saying is that we need a time machine, then we can go back to 5/14/13 and implement these changes? Or just get rid of the useless store and work on mechanics that might... you know... matter?
These mechanics are soooo much better than what we've had. Tying it all into ISK hasn't worked.
The mechanics encouraging large, active corps over small, elite ones is good for the end game. It's just probably a few years too late. |
DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
1
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Posted - 2015.06.29 13:15:00 -
[73] - Quote
thor424 wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:thor424 wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:You guys arguing for this change - do you even PC?
Do you do something with your time other then play against the worst players in this game and tell CCP how to make changes through it?
This is the reality: When this mechanic drops it will be in every good players favor to say **** the rest of you. 2 groups are already primed to do this, and do this together, and plan on it.
PC will be turned into DK whoring, with corps mass recruiting useless players to farm CP as the players already always doing PC continue to do so, and reap the most rewards, again.
Do you think the casual has a choice other then be farmed? It's either try to get what you can from the bigger corps or nothing at all, the smaller cost entry to PC still has one major issue: You still need to win.
And the corps already in PC aren't going to be letting anyone else win as soon as districts have value and battles themselves become ISK sinks.
so what you are saying is that we need a time machine, then we can go back to 5/14/13 and implement these changes? Or just get rid of the useless store and work on mechanics that might... you know... matter? These mechanics are soooo much better than what we've had. Tying it all into ISK hasn't worked. The mechanics encouraging large, active corps over small, elite ones is good for the end game. It's just probably a few years too late.
goon swarm anyone?
if small elite corps cant compete with large casual corps, then we've gone to the other extreme. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
512
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Posted - 2015.06.29 13:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
DeathwindRising wrote:thor424 wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:thor424 wrote:Shadowed Cola wrote:You guys arguing for this change - do you even PC?
Do you do something with your time other then play against the worst players in this game and tell CCP how to make changes through it?
This is the reality: When this mechanic drops it will be in every good players favor to say **** the rest of you. 2 groups are already primed to do this, and do this together, and plan on it.
PC will be turned into DK whoring, with corps mass recruiting useless players to farm CP as the players already always doing PC continue to do so, and reap the most rewards, again.
Do you think the casual has a choice other then be farmed? It's either try to get what you can from the bigger corps or nothing at all, the smaller cost entry to PC still has one major issue: You still need to win.
And the corps already in PC aren't going to be letting anyone else win as soon as districts have value and battles themselves become ISK sinks.
so what you are saying is that we need a time machine, then we can go back to 5/14/13 and implement these changes? Or just get rid of the useless store and work on mechanics that might... you know... matter? These mechanics are soooo much better than what we've had. Tying it all into ISK hasn't worked. The mechanics encouraging large, active corps over small, elite ones is good for the end game. It's just probably a few years too late. goon swarm anyone? if small elite corps cant compete with large casual corps, then we've gone to the other extreme.
News flash, PC has been dominated by small elite groups.
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
849
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Posted - 2015.06.29 14:06:00 -
[75] - Quote
My opinion here is mostly irrelevant as I have never participated in PC or wanted to join a corp. Dealings with organizations or groups of people is nearly always tedious, and almost impossible to maintain over the course of years.
My idea for a unique reward would be STD sidearm BPOs (not just the Toxin SMG or Dren SP). From my perspective PRO and Officer items are increasingly irrelevant because the long term trend seems to be towards a low risk action oriented FPS deathmatch. Since BPOs optimize the low-risk aspects, I would consider participating in some PC grind if I could buy some more sidearm options for the long game.
CCP Rattati
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