I feel like this new PC system would work much better if all the items in the DK "store" could be traded.

Of course, ideally we'd have a full market system to make selling items much easier, but in that way you could sell that special gear to other players that want it at a significant markup, same as with Faction and Pirate gear/ships in EVE.

I thought I saw in one of the screenshots that you could buy Jara Kumora from the DK store.

^ This.

A lot of the PC players have so much ISK that they really couldn't care less about it. Even I don't care about ISK. And that's without mentioning that PC payouts are rubbish now too. We need unique rewards that can only be gained through PC to get players interested! What happened to that unique EVE resource that was going to be only accessible by DUST mercs in PC? That would have been cool.

i'm sorry. youre next task is to remove the DK store and credit system. yuo know that whole eve/dust link? the feeling of being part of eve when you play dust? DK doesnt do that, because you simply made it up.

ALL items in eve are obtainable for more than one source. LP items found in FW corps are the same that can be found from corp LP stores. All items can be traded.

Youve split the community into the FW community and the PC community and there was no reason for that. We want the community to be one cohesive ecosystem, not entirely separate theme parks.

Wont happend cause most of the new stuff that gets released ends up to be a hack job. We simply get some AUR items avaible in the DK store and thats about it. The highest hope that you can have is that there are maybe 1~3 skins but thats allready optimistic from my point of view. The whole concept of the new PC system can be boiled down to this:

-get lots of very active but rather bad players who contribute the lion part of your command points
-have the hardcore vets show up for PC
-sell clones here and then to give your vets ISK
-the active players get their share of the clone selling as DK.

I allready see very good corps recruiting players that would be way below their standard just so they can keep their districts and have enough command points ready when this update hits the game. The danger ahead is that we see another huge blue donout cause you could potentially make more ISK by not fighting in PC as in like this:

-blue donut gets formed with mega corps
-nobody is launching attacks cause fighting means loosing ISK (as others have allready stated)
-CP are only beeing used to sell like 150 clones a day
-99% of the districts will be production facilitys cause of their 150 clone production a day
-the great farming returns

So what safety is there to prevent a fiasco like this? Raiding can be neglected due to appearent fact that even raid matches start after 24 hours.

because splitting the player base has worked SO WELL so far?

This new store is going to incite more problems and a bigger separation between PC vs casuals. It's not helping introduce anything but more issues. Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

while it may not be anymore connected, they can still finished the parts they started. medium and large size orbital strikes . the ability to select districts or systems to attack in FW so dust players can coordinate attacks with eve pilots. On top of that, it was specifically asked of the dust community for ways we that we can increase the overall "feel" of being in New Eden. that's why we have SKINS named after and that look like their eve corp conuterparts.

theres no such thing as casual competitive play. youre either competitive or youre not. FW and PC are competitive. Pubs are for casual play since we dont have PvE. but since Pubs are the only real way to make ISK, even the Pubs arent really casual because youve got tryhards running around in it stomping the casual players out.

PvE wouldve save us all

The way I understood it, CP has nothing to do with your ability to "hold onto" districts. CP is used to sell clones for profit or launch attacks. Nothing to do with your ability to defend said districts.

If you don't have enough CP to generate profit on those extra districts, then they sit there, same as now, and do nothing but look pretty.

So you don't want to increase active participation in PC.

Gotcha.

Well I haven't kept up with all the changes, but if it still functions the same as it is now with districts being attacked and defended at around 2am Pacific standard time I don't think this will be a huge hit. One of the biggest problems with FW was always just being able to get into a match. It was a huge problem in general, and nearly impossible for certain factions at various times of the day. PC is worse right now.

Add to that it's a very limited rooster of people that can get into a PC and since the battles are so important most Corp's only want ringers on their team. So for most people you just won't have a chance to even get into a PC battle, let enough of them to earn points for some cool new feature like the Apex from FW.

Im sorry to burst your bubble but team deploy wont come to FW. Soraya and IWS pushed hard against this idea cause of the argument that solo players would be screwed in FW. ironically they dont contribute anything to FW to begin with.
I got the information about Soraya and IWS from a reliable source which comes from within the system.


Cause i simply didnt care and i like to see what ideas the community comes up with. Then it gets bashed by the CPM just so that then the large landholders can keep their turf. The original idea of command points aswell included that you need them aswell for defending districts. But that has beeing scrapped cause that would endanger the status quo where you only need your best players for PC not the rest that farms CP with their daylie missions.

You will still need to have all 16 players pay full attention. Cause if the sync fails then you need those players to back out on their own. While with team deploy all 16 players deploy into the same match, at the same time and you only need 1 person to deploy them. So in reality its a difference to have 1 guy queing and having 16 people paying attention for the whole time of the que. Trust me having them all pay attention can be harder as you might think.

PLEASE do not make LP items available for purchase via DK. The LP items and SKINs should be available through FW only.

Pretty please with a friggin cherry on top.

The second item down in the DK store is a Caldari Light State Marine LP SKIN. Selling for 1,000 DK. Take a look at the picture in the PC Revamp thread.

I was really hoping for some gear that really mimicked specialist type weapons. Nothing that increased base stats but instead reduced CPU and PG cost per mod or weapon. I love the idea of fine tuning your fits for max efficiency and power.

Simple fix to connect to EVE. Even in high sec you can allow for command centers or other PI structures to be attacked via either random NPC corps or player run matches. Upon the defending team winning or losing, the game sends that info to EVE. EVE then flags that command center or other structure as either safe due to being defended or lost due to the attackers winning match.

How hard would that be?

In addition, you could add PI stuff that is important to both EVE and DUST or something like that. You could at least move toward basic resources needed in EVE only being obtained by PI and make DUST basically matter. Make Moon mining only possible via planet control. That wouldn't be hard.

PC would matter with only a minimum amout of programming to make the EVE connection. Seriously, it's just flipping a virtual switch to say yes or no on somebody's PI structures.

That's what people get for recruiting their blow buddies. Chatting in PC squads doesn't mean people will make good CPM members. There needs to be more people that care about the whole picture and support the game as a product, not blue donut hoes.

Sort of a high level concept that might not be feasible atm but I think that if PC players could sell their high-meta unused items for an ISK sum to the DK market at higher than NPC values and then subsequently purchase the items they want -with- DK than it'd double as both a driver for PC (through the accumulation of DK and purchasing of items with it) and also an asset sink. I'm just spitballing here so take it at face value but if the players provided the inventory for the DK market than you would see a greater variety of items with which DK could be purchased without having to make new items (like when Specialist gear was implemented to give FW uniqueness).

So, say for instance we have the DK market and it is empty.
Player A has 50 'Black Eagle' Assault Rifles he wants to get rid of but is impatient and doesn't want to find a direct buyer with which to use the traditional Trade function we have now. He takes those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs and sells them to the DK Market (or, 'Black Market', as it were) for a less than optimal ISK sum. It's less than he could potentially swindle from another player, but he gets the ISK now instead of having to find a buyer.

Those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs are put on the DK market and now someone can purchase them for DK's, generating a sort of 'real' economy without having to make new gear to make the DK market unique but also having it to where it is a semi-controlled environment.

But like I said, just spitballing ideas.

That's just complete negative bullshit you're spewing.

You guys arguing for this change - do you even PC?

Do you do something with your time other then play against the worst players in this game and tell CCP how to make changes through it?

This is the reality: When this mechanic drops it will be in every good players favor to say **** the rest of you. 2 groups are already primed to do this, and do this together, and plan on it.

PC will be turned into DK whoring, with corps mass recruiting useless players to farm CP as the players already always doing PC continue to do so, and reap the most rewards, again.

Do you think the casual has a choice other then be farmed? It's either try to get what you can from the bigger corps or nothing at all, the smaller cost entry to PC still has one major issue: You still need to win.

And the corps already in PC aren't going to be letting anyone else win as soon as districts have value and battles themselves become ISK sinks.

No one here is against new content, or even content gained from owning a district. The issue is that we now have a new currency that was arbitrarily created and can only be spent in a new market.

Remove the DK and simply have districts "produce" these items and offer them to corp members to but from the corp. the corp gains ISK. Offer corp shares to dust mercs, and allow is to pay dividends.

DKs? This ain't donkey kong son. We don't need stupid **** to further complicate this game. There is now reason ever for three separate market currencies. Ever.

Or just get rid of the useless store and work on mechanics that might... you know... matter?

goon swarm anyone?

if small elite corps cant compete with large casual corps, then we've gone to the other extreme.