while it may not be anymore connected, they can still finished the parts they started. medium and large size orbital strikes . the ability to select districts or systems to attack in FW so dust players can coordinate attacks with eve pilots. On top of that, it was specifically asked of the dust community for ways we that we can increase the overall "feel" of being in New Eden. that's why we have SKINS named after and that look like their eve corp conuterparts.

theres no such thing as casual competitive play. youre either competitive or youre not. FW and PC are competitive. Pubs are for casual play since we dont have PvE. but since Pubs are the only real way to make ISK, even the Pubs arent really casual because youve got tryhards running around in it stomping the casual players out.

PvE wouldve save us all

A thousand man corp should be able to generate a ton of CP. Apex suits and BPOs for the lulz and they make more ISK than they've ever made.

This brings the casuals and the non casuals together. If they want to make ISK some other way than hiding and playing passively the opportunity is there.

I know, it's weird that people expect PvP in an FPS

Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.

PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.

Sota, I think you are not seeing the big picture.

For most PC corps they don't have enough players to generate enough CP to hold more than a handful of districts. Unless they just want to hold them for the heck of it.

The way I understood it, CP has nothing to do with your ability to "hold onto" districts. CP is used to sell clones for profit or launch attacks. Nothing to do with your ability to defend said districts.

If you don't have enough CP to generate profit on those extra districts, then they sit there, same as now, and do nothing but look pretty.

So you don't want to increase active participation in PC.

Gotcha.

Well I haven't kept up with all the changes, but if it still functions the same as it is now with districts being attacked and defended at around 2am Pacific standard time I don't think this will be a huge hit. One of the biggest problems with FW was always just being able to get into a match. It was a huge problem in general, and nearly impossible for certain factions at various times of the day. PC is worse right now.

Add to that it's a very limited rooster of people that can get into a PC and since the battles are so important most Corp's only want ringers on their team. So for most people you just won't have a chance to even get into a PC battle, let enough of them to earn points for some cool new feature like the Apex from FW.

Sota, I think you are not seeing the big picture.

For most PC corps they don't have enough players to generate enough CP to hold more than a handful of districts. Unless they just want to hold them for the heck of it.

With team deploy in FW and hopefully open trading you'll have more people playing as a team as opposed to 80% solo in pubs. All of the ramps leading up to PC are there now. Small elite corps won't be able to hold absurd amounts of land.

I think it's wayyyyyy too late and PC 2.0 will be a huge flop (see hints at crappy DK store items) due to a playerbase that can't even stomach losing a few clones trying to hold an objective in a pub match. By ignoring the crappy incentives for so long CCP has conditioned players to shy away from combat. I believe CCP will have to get very aggressive and throw caution to the wind in regards to our "economy" to get people fighting for wins in all game modes.

Where were you when there was months and months of feedback?

There's no chance that the current PC community can generate enough CP to handle 245 districts. The pathway for lower skill corps to disrupt PC is there, we just need a Contraban Joe or two to get some quantity over quality corps humming again.

Im sorry to burst your bubble but team deploy wont come to FW. Soraya and IWS pushed hard against this idea cause of the argument that solo players would be screwed in FW. ironically they dont contribute anything to FW to begin with.
I got the information about Soraya and IWS from a reliable source which comes from within the system.


Cause i simply didnt care and i like to see what ideas the community comes up with. Then it gets bashed by the CPM just so that then the large landholders can keep their turf. The original idea of command points aswell included that you need them aswell for defending districts. But that has beeing scrapped cause that would endanger the status quo where you only need your best players for PC not the rest that farms CP with their daylie missions.

Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.

PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.

You will still need to have all 16 players pay full attention. Cause if the sync fails then you need those players to back out on their own. While with team deploy all 16 players deploy into the same match, at the same time and you only need 1 person to deploy them. So in reality its a difference to have 1 guy queing and having 16 people paying attention for the whole time of the que. Trust me having them all pay attention can be harder as you might think.

PLEASE do not make LP items available for purchase via DK. The LP items and SKINs should be available through FW only.

Pretty please with a friggin cherry on top.

There's no way they'd do this.

PC corps will be running so much FW anyway.

The second item down in the DK store is a Caldari Light State Marine LP SKIN. Selling for 1,000 DK. Take a look at the picture in the PC Revamp thread.

I was really hoping for some gear that really mimicked specialist type weapons. Nothing that increased base stats but instead reduced CPU and PG cost per mod or weapon. I love the idea of fine tuning your fits for max efficiency and power.

CPM most likely

Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.

PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.

Simple fix to connect to EVE. Even in high sec you can allow for command centers or other PI structures to be attacked via either random NPC corps or player run matches. Upon the defending team winning or losing, the game sends that info to EVE. EVE then flags that command center or other structure as either safe due to being defended or lost due to the attackers winning match.

How hard would that be?

In addition, you could add PI stuff that is important to both EVE and DUST or something like that. You could at least move toward basic resources needed in EVE only being obtained by PI and make DUST basically matter. Make Moon mining only possible via planet control. That wouldn't be hard.

PC would matter with only a minimum amout of programming to make the EVE connection. Seriously, it's just flipping a virtual switch to say yes or no on somebody's PI structures.

That's what people get for recruiting their blow buddies. Chatting in PC squads doesn't mean people will make good CPM members. There needs to be more people that care about the whole picture and support the game as a product, not blue donut hoes.

Not at all. DK is only there to provide a fun "just if you participate" unique flavor.

PC is all about owning and fighting over districts for ISK and the perception of power.

Sort of a high level concept that might not be feasible atm but I think that if PC players could sell their high-meta unused items for an ISK sum to the DK market at higher than NPC values and then subsequently purchase the items they want -with- DK than it'd double as both a driver for PC (through the accumulation of DK and purchasing of items with it) and also an asset sink. I'm just spitballing here so take it at face value but if the players provided the inventory for the DK market than you would see a greater variety of items with which DK could be purchased without having to make new items (like when Specialist gear was implemented to give FW uniqueness).

So, say for instance we have the DK market and it is empty.
Player A has 50 'Black Eagle' Assault Rifles he wants to get rid of but is impatient and doesn't want to find a direct buyer with which to use the traditional Trade function we have now. He takes those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs and sells them to the DK Market (or, 'Black Market', as it were) for a less than optimal ISK sum. It's less than he could potentially swindle from another player, but he gets the ISK now instead of having to find a buyer.

Those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs are put on the DK market and now someone can purchase them for DK's, generating a sort of 'real' economy without having to make new gear to make the DK market unique but also having it to where it is a semi-controlled environment.

But like I said, just spitballing ideas.

Sort of a high level concept that might not be feasible atm but I think that if PC players could sell their high-meta unused items for an ISK sum to the DK market at higher than NPC values and then subsequently purchase the items they want -with- DK than it'd double as both a driver for PC (through the accumulation of DK and purchasing of items with it) and also an asset sink. I'm just spitballing here so take it at face value but if the players provided the inventory for the DK market than you would see a greater variety of items with which DK could be purchased without having to make new items (like when Specialist gear was implemented to give FW uniqueness).

So, say for instance we have the DK market and it is empty.
Player A has 50 'Black Eagle' Assault Rifles he wants to get rid of but is impatient and doesn't want to find a direct buyer with which to use the traditional Trade function we have now. He takes those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs and sells them to the DK Market (or, 'Black Market', as it were) for a less than optimal ISK sum. It's less than he could potentially swindle from another player, but he gets the ISK now instead of having to find a buyer.

Those 50 'Black Eagle' ARs are put on the DK market and now someone can purchase them for DK's, generating a sort of 'real' economy without having to make new gear to make the DK market unique but also having it to where it is a semi-controlled environment.

But like I said, just spitballing ideas.

Perception of power? So, only the neckbeards with no life need apply. The rest of us have no use for PC. Make it count the least little bit toward EVE and it could matter.

That's just complete negative bullshit you're spewing.