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Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:15:00 - [1] - Quote Slow-mos and freeze-frames to show YOU just how ridiculous this gun is! https://youtu.be/bIs7fCFiQwA Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:22:00 - [2] - Quote What!!!! It can't be!!! It's total balance since it has AA like every other gun. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:26:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: What!!!! It can't be!!! It's total balance since it has AA like every other gun. There is no way you can convince me that at 1:03 something fishy ain't going on. Or at least at 3:25, lol. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Spankdamonke The Unsung Heroes 84	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:33:00 - [4] - Quote It's an apocalypse you can hold in your hand! Those headshots though
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:36:00 - [5] - Quote Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:38:00 - [6] - Quote How did that heavy @ 1:24 in the LAV not die? Dust is full of miracles lol. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:43:00 - [7] - Quote Apparently as a 'balancing feature' all pistols recieve much stronger bullet magnetism than things like rifles. Try hipfiring an ion or scrambler pistol sometime, they're both lethal. Also, I thought you publically announced that you had ragequit cause you're a whiny baby. About 1:04, while injecting someone does have its own animation - I suspect the game is actually just making your hitbox crouch rather than moving and twisting it wildly. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:46:00 - [8] - Quote Nice editing. I wondered if they had fixed this any since it was so bad on release. I have yet to figure out why we have so many sidearms that really out shine most of the light weapons.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:47:00 - [9] - Quote This is why I now put a bolt pistol on my logi. The ability to take on sentinels + range + low fitting cost is just nice. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:48:00 - [10] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Apparently as a 'balancing feature' all pistols recieve much stronger bullet magnetism than things like rifles. Try hipfiring an ion or scrambler pistol sometime, they're both lethal. You see my NF 1v1 video where I fought against Kain Spero with a CreoDron Ion Pistol? With all Ion Pistol skills at 5 and a Prototype Gal Assault? WHEN HE HAD A BREACH FORGE GUN? Ion pistol can't hit a stationary target, yo. Mina Longstrike wrote: Also, I thought you publically announced that you had ragequit cause you're a whiny baby. Oooooh, I see, you just came in here to troll. Carry on, then. Mina Longstrike wrote: About 1:04, while injecting someone does have its own animation - I suspect the game is actually just making your hitbox crouch rather than moving and twisting it wildly. Couldn't -POSSIBLY- be that the Bolt Pistol is just screwy, oh no. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:56:00 - [11] - Quote Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact. There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things. Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:59:00 - [12] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact. There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things. Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). Please explain why I should listen to anything you have to say considering the way you approach me in literally every thread. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:03:00 - [13] - Quote Because I like to present and deal in facts and hard numbers. They are surprisingly more reliable than kneejerks and feelings. I know that dealing with facts is an uncomfortable proposition for you, as it tends to disrupt or diminish whatever asinine narrative you're trying to spew, but maybe you should try it for a bit, you might earn yourself a bit more respect. Or you can just throw another tantrum when you don't win CPM this year either. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:06:00 - [14] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Because I like to present and deal in facts and hard numbers. They are surprisingly more reliable than kneejerks and feelings. I know that dealing with facts is an uncomfortable proposition for you, as it tends to disrupt or diminish whatever asinine narrative you're trying to spew, but maybe you should try it for a bit, you might earn yourself a bit more respect. Or you can just throw another tantrum when you don't win CPM this year either. I'm pretty sure hardcore video evidence with slow motion and freeze frames is about as much evidence as one really needs to see that something fishy is going on, and there are a few other videos that showed similar to this. Did you come in here to debate the Bolt Pistol or to try and antagonize me? Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:13:00 - [15] - Quote Ah yes, lets play the "I'm going to ignore what you said and continue to repeat my bullshit" game. Let us re-whine to what I previously explained: as a balancing feature pistols apparently have much stronger bullet magnetism than other weapons, furthermore things that you see or perceive may not always be accurate to how the server is processing them ie hitting when it looks like you missed, or missing when it looks like you hit - because while you are seeing that, it is ultimately the server that has final say... and the server said it was a hit/miss. This can be attributed to a number of things, from a bad connection on your end, to things like server lag, low FPS or even a full cache that causes the game to play more like a slideshow. As an example, I see people get 'hit' by laser rifles all the time, or walk through lines of fire that should hit them... but because of the magic of strafing and other such nonsense, people are free to perform idiotic dances through gunfire as they please. But obviously your explanation/experience is the only correct one (as we all knew you'd assume it to be) so any contradicting opinion or information must be met with whining or hostility. Please quit the game again. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:15:00 - [16] - Quote Mina, Aeon brought a video showing Bolt Pistol's hit detection doing some absurd things. You claim that all pistols do that without any proof, and then claim that Aeon is the emotional knee jerk guy and that you like to deal in data. If you did deal in data and data alone, you would create your own proof instead of saying "Guys believe me, every weapon is the same. It's fact.". "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:21:00 - [17] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Ah yes, lets play the "I'm going to ignore what you said and continue to repeat my bullshit" game. Let us re-whine to what I previously ex Stopped reading right about here. Thank you for your time, Mina. This conversation went about as well as expected. I'll be hiding your posts now because you show a complete inability to be civil despite numerous requests. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 240	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:26:00 - [18] - Quote So many jumpers in this match... Public skirmish = camping games, Public domination = officer sniping games, Public ambush = russian roulette
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:29:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mina, Aeon brought a video showing Bolt Pistol's hit detection doing some absurd things. You claim that all pistols do that without any proof, and then claim that Aeon is the emotional knee jerk guy and that you like to deal in data. If you did deal in data and data alone, you would create your own proof instead of saying "Guys believe me, every weapon is the same. It's fact.". Yes cat merc I do get what you're going with here. But my source is a hard to relocate dev statement from long ago. There are plenty of valid explanations for what is going on, including the possibility of aeon being correct. What I am saying though is that I firmly believe that Aeon is falling prey to the fallacy of small numbers or attributing the bolt pistols apparent over-performance incorrectly. Strong pistol magnetism is apparently a very common thing and I think he should ~~probably~~ definitely test it far more and with other weapons rather than try to present a very brief cross-section of gameplay as the end-all of proof(s). Remember that absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:15:00 - [20] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Apparently as a 'balancing feature' all pistols recieve much stronger bullet magnetism than things like rifles. Try hipfiring an ion or scrambler pistol sometime, they're both lethal. You see my NF 1v1 video where I fought against Kain Spero with a CreoDron Ion Pistol? With all Ion Pistol skills at 5 and a Prototype Gal Assault? WHEN HE HAD A BREACH FORGE GUN? Ion pistol can't hit a stationary target, yo. Mina Longstrike wrote: Also, I thought you publically announced that you had ragequit cause you're a whiny baby. Oooooh, I see, you just came in here to troll. Carry on, then. Mina Longstrike wrote: About 1:04, while injecting someone does have its own animation - I suspect the game is actually just making your hitbox crouch rather than moving and twisting it wildly. Couldn't -POSSIBLY- be that the Bolt Pistol is just screwy, oh no. Your duels were friendly fire NO AA.. so it's pretty biased to claim that's a factor with Ion Pistol accuracy. I am not denying the Bolt Pistol needing work, but when it's stated like this.. I just see, nerf you, buff me!!! Bolt Pistols are not much better without AA, so maybe that is the real problem???

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:18:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:32:00 - [22] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face Other than Gallente role-players, how many people do you honestly see use Ion Pistols? Ever wonder why? Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Akamandon Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:35:00 - [23] - Quote Hmm interesting, there was a few times where you clearly missed, you even had the animation of the bullet hitting the ground or wall but the red berrys still took damage or died. Does that mean that bolt pistol bullets pass through bodies, if I line it up right can I get two kills in one shot lol I have done that with a kalakota forge gun once.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:55:00 - [24] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face Other than Gallente role-players, how many people do you honestly see use Ion Pistols? Ever wonder why? Well I have prof.4, sharpshooter 5, so there is one Ion Pistol is a superior CQC Assault ScP, high rapid fire, with a charge shot that makes the BP seem balanced, don't get me wrong, I am well aware the BP is too good I got it to prof5 before they buffed it when it was decent already, after that it became a monster, I agree 100% on that. After getting bored of listening to QQ, I skilled other sidearms.. One of which being the Ion Pistol and it is just as deadly, although close range, but it makes up for that.. ever tried to out strafe one??? You have little to no chance, where a BP can miss easily. I have no issue with balance, but mixing bias with balance is not good for the game.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:01:00 - [25] - Quote ^Underrepresented doesn't mean underpowered either. The Ion pistol is a good sidearm, unfortunately there are some issues with other sidearms being way too generally applicable (the entire SMG lineup) or being 'quirky' (flaylock & magsec). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:03:00 - [26] - Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect MGS <3 Shaman's Shack - A place to trade
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:06:00 - [27] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: What!!!! It can't be!!! It's total balance since it has AA like every other gun. IIRC, Aim Assist adhesion and magnetism can be tuned on a weapon-by-weapon basis. Bolt Pistol AA feels like it might be set a 'bit higher than that of other weapons. Note: Proficiency 5 Bolt Pistol; my favorite sidearm nexts to knives. Another Note: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, Aeon would be explained to all of us why it is so well balanced. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:09:00 - [28] - Quote I think that was the funniest DUST related video I've ever seen! Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:26:00 - [29] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face While the 95% figure is a joke, it's still the most infuriating pistol to use right now. You can have perfect accuracy and be well within the optimal range, have max sharpshooter skill and max Gallente Assault skill, and STILL miss a target with hip fire on a CQC weapon. (Ya know, where you would use hip fire) Look at all the bonuses I have packed into it, reducing the spread by 50%, and think that I still don't get the accuracy that other pistols get built in. Now wonder why I think the Ion Pistol is crappy. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:28:00 - [30] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face Other than Gallente role-players, how many people do you honestly see use Ion Pistols? Ever wonder why? Well I have prof.4, sharpshooter 5, so there is one Ion Pistol is a superior CQC Assault ScP, high rapid fire, with a charge shot that makes the BP seem balanced, don't get me wrong, I am well aware the BP is too good I got it to prof5 before they buffed it when it was decent already, after that it became a monster, I agree 100% on that. After getting bored of listening to QQ, I skilled other sidearms.. One of which being the Ion Pistol and it is just as deadly, although close range, but it makes up for that.. ever tried to out strafe one??? You have little to no chance, where a BP can miss easily. I have no issue with balance, but mixing bias with balance is not good for the game. Try going for headshots with the Scrambler Pistol, basically rapid fire charge shots from the IoP. At least you CAN with it, unlike the Ion Pistol. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:29:00 - [31] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently. If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:50:00 - [32] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently. If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts following 1.8, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations for each and every race. Especially the ones I use. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ("it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable HP tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!" Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:14:00 - [33] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently. If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ("it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!" -Rubs forehead as Adipem tries to make this a racial thing again- Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:18:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently. If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ("it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!" -Rubs forehead as Adipem tries to make this a racial thing again- I'm with you 100%, Aeon. Let's tune down Bolt Pistol Aim Assist. Let's also work on that Magsec, eh? And while we're out balancing imbalanced things, let's also tune down Armor and tune down Assaults. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:19:00 - [35] - Quote Let's just ignore the fact that I was landing ungodly and impossible headshots and landing impossible hits that the video clearly shows -were no where near the target-. Let's just automatically assume that this is Aeon Amadi and "Team Green" trying to nerf a Bolt Pistol because it is Caldari. Let's just assume, like every other time, that someone is being bias instead of presenting evidence at face value based on initial interpretations with clear, concise, and irrefutable evidence provided. Because when you have absolutely no argument to defeat the evidence and data presented the only thing you can do is make a ham-fisted attempt that the person presenting the evidence is somehow wrong based on something that has -absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter at hand-. I mean, let's face it, if I ran Caldari -FROM NOW ON- it wouldn't change a thing. I'd suddenly be "That Caldari guy that has absolutely no clue of what he's talking about because he doesn't run Gallente" rather than "The dude who actually gave it an honest shot" - which sounds DISTINCTLY FAMILIAR to that one time in the barber shop when I actually tried to give Nova Knives an honest-to-god go and got flame-warred out of the thread (yanno because I don't live, breathe, and die Scouts or some BS like that). At any rate. Carry on with the steady graduation to copper foil. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:22:00 - [36] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently. If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ("it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!" -Rubs forehead as Adipem tries to make this a racial thing again- I'm with you 100%, Aeon. Let's tune down Bolt Pistol Aim Assist. Let's also work on that Magsec, eh? And while we're out balancing imbalanced things, let's also tune down Armor and tune down Assaults. Dude, just go away. Seriously. You got what you wanted with the strafe nerf -KNOWING- that it is going to be a buff to shields despite there being at least a dozen other proposals about how to fix shields up to and including damage threshold, constant regen, regulator balancing, and HP re-adjustment on a suit-by-suit basis (no reason for Caldari to have 194 armor or Gallente to have 194 shields). At least, for the love of all that is holy, wait for the strafe speed nerfs to hit before you start pandering your anti-armor/assault agenda even further. Can you -at least- do that? Or are you just going to turn around and say something about how I'm Gallente and I'm bias? Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:24:00 - [37] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Let's just ignore the fact that I was landing ungodly and impossible headshots and landing impossible hits that the video clearly shows -were no where near the target-. Let's just automatically assume that this is Aeon Amadi and "Team Green" trying to nerf a Bolt Pistol because it is Caldari. Let's just assume, like every other time, that someone is being bias instead of presenting evidence at face value based on initial interpretations with clear, concise, and irrefutable evidence provided. Because when you have absolutely no argument to defeat the evidence and data presented the only thing you can do is make a ham-fisted attempt that the person presenting the evidence is somehow wrong based on something that has -absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter at hand-. I mean, let's face it, if I ran Caldari -FROM NOW ON- it wouldn't change a thing. I'd suddenly be "That Caldari guy that has absolutely no clue of what he's talking about because he doesn't run Gallente" rather than "The dude who actually gave it an honest shot" - which sounds DISTINCTLY FAMILIAR to that one time in the barber shop when I actually tried to give Nova Knives an honest-to-god go and got flame-warred out of the thread (yanno because I don't live, breathe, and die Scouts or some BS like that). At any rate. Carry on with the steady graduation to copper foil. I'm not trying to "defeat your evidence". I agree with you that something is wrong with Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist settings, and I agree with you that it should be fixed. Also, something seems to be wrong with that MagSec, right? My point is that if the Bolt Pistol were Gallente tech (rather than Caldari), you'd be making excuses for it rather than making videos to attack it. Just like you defended and made excuses for the overpowered AR, the overpowered Breach AR, the overpowered GalLogi, and today's overly dominant "let's all stack brick" meta. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:32:00 - [38] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently. If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ("it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!" Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself. Instead, you waited until a dev said something suggesting a nerf, and then looked how to make it softer. This made what should have been 1-2 cycles of nerfs into far more. The funny thing is, for the past I don't know how long, Gallente weapons and gear? Yeah, all of them sucked, and math always backed me up. So I never had a chance to advocate a nerf, because math said it's wrong. I have yet to see a single shield user come forth and do the same thing me and Arkena did for armor as an example, building that giant mega thread making it very clear what was wrong with armor. Once someone does it, maybe I'll see the reason, but for now I really don't, and I looked. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:34:00 - [39] - Quote Adipem ad hominem is a lovely thing and I expect a lot of it. Don't disappoint me Adipem. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:36:00 - [40] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Let's just ignore the fact that I was landing ungodly and impossible headshots and landing impossible hits that the video clearly shows -were no where near the target-. Let's just automatically assume that this is Aeon Amadi and "Team Green" trying to nerf a Bolt Pistol because it is Caldari. Let's just assume, like every other time, that someone is being bias instead of presenting evidence at face value based on initial interpretations with clear, concise, and irrefutable evidence provided. Because when you have absolutely no argument to defeat the evidence and data presented the only thing you can do is make a ham-fisted attempt that the person presenting the evidence is somehow wrong based on something that has -absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter at hand-. I mean, let's face it, if I ran Caldari -FROM NOW ON- it wouldn't change a thing. I'd suddenly be "That Caldari guy that has absolutely no clue of what he's talking about because he doesn't run Gallente" rather than "The dude who actually gave it an honest shot" - which sounds DISTINCTLY FAMILIAR to that one time in the barber shop when I actually tried to give Nova Knives an honest-to-god go and got flame-warred out of the thread (yanno because I don't live, breathe, and die Scouts or some BS like that). At any rate. Carry on with the steady graduation to copper foil. I'm not trying to "defeat your evidence". I agree with you that something is wrong with Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist settings, and I agree with you that it should be fixed. My point is that if the Bolt Pistol were Gallente tech (rather than Caldari), you'd be making excuses for it rather than making videos to attack it. Just like you defended and made excused for the overpowered AR, the overpowered Breach AR, the overpowered GalLogi, and the overly dominant "let's all stack brick" meta. ........ Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)

Koch Rosenzweig S.K.I.L.L OF G.O.D RUST415 264	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:42:00 - [41] - Quote 1:05: "Its ok, brother, im here dont worry, lets die together" hug *Slap in your biotic ass.*
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:45:00 - [42] - Quote Alright. Fine. ** it. What would -YOU- do to make Assaults viable as Slayers without infringing on their chiseled and hand-crafted role that THE PLAYERS MADE when the Commando stepped in as the primary offensive role, despite coming in later? What would -YOU- do to make put more Assault Rifles in the hands of -the Gallente Assault-? How would -YOU- balance Gallente Logis so that they're actually WP viable and actually have a role that does not over-step OR (key freaggin word right there) become overshadowed by Scouts' passive EWAR? What would -YOU- do to make the Breach Assault Rifle actually act like an emulation of a Rail Rifle, retaining both the higher damage that Gallente love and the range that the Rail Rifle is known for? What would -YOU- do to make the Ion Pistol actually viable that it isn't the single least used weapon in the entire sidearm line-up? What would -YOU- do to make the Bolt Pistol not freaggin hit things it -honest to god should not-? What would -YOU- do to make Shields more viable since Armor is whoooooo omfg soooo scary Because clearly I'm bias for running the things and making my opinions known on what -I'd- do to fix them, so please, chime in and take the reigns. I won't even argue your opinions or suggestions, go ahead and throw those ideas out there. This is your grand opportunity to say what you want without -ANY- response from me and what I hope will be the rest of "Team Green". Hell, I'd even ADVOCATE those changes to CCP Rattati myself - we'll give 'em a go for 60 whole days and if it works out I'll even come in here and say, "Yeah I was a bias doucher and I shouldn't have opened my mouth not ever never." You have the floor, "Team Not-Green". EDIT: My apologies if this isn't "CPM behavior" and all that jazz but clearly I am so bias that its even affected my ability to delegate with civility and reason when I'm getting ** on. So please, go ahead, I'm all ears. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
General John Ripper 27	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:51:00 - [43] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact. There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things. Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). I don't like you. Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$. GreatestCPMOFAllTime
Immortal John Ripper 27	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:51:00 - [44] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact. There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things. Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). I don't like you. Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$. GreatestCPMOFAllTime
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:56:00 - [45] - Quote Ffs shotty your becoming spkr I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:57:00 - [46] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself. Instead, you waited until a dev said something suggesting a nerf, and then looked how to make it softer. Nonsense. HF Alpha Rattati arrived on the scene and pitched Scout nerfs (rightfully so). I recommended we instead we immediately fix fire-from-cloak and buff Assaults to make them better slayers than brick-tanked Scouts. (In hindsight, we probably should've done both simultaneously.) HF Bravo IIRC, this one was focused more on V/AV than infantry. During HF Bravo, Gal and Cal Scout populations remained too high. The Barbershop and I put together proposal for HF Charlie which would directly nerf Gallente and Caldari Scouts. Rattati caught wind of it and reworked the proposal into something of his own. HF Charlie During HF Charlie, the Scout Class attained Racial Parity for the first time ever. Scout populations, however, remained too high. From that point forward, the Barbershop and I concocted, proposed and pitched to Rattati nerf after nerf to (1) decrease Scout kill/spawn efficiency and (2) encourage slayers to migrate to Assaults. These included: * Increased plate penalties for Scouts * Efficacy bonuses to EWAR modules vs flat bonuses to base statistics * Cloakblind (Haerr came up with the idea in the Barbershop; most of us supported it) * Increased decloak delay * Various changes to scan mechanics (including the removal of passive scan directional arrow) The record is very clear. The Barbershop and I recognized Scout overperformance for what it was, and we took the lead in getting Scouts nerfed. No one dislike FoTM Scouts more than us. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:05:00 - [47] - Quote Bolt Pistol needs re-balancing it is that simple... and a large disagreement between us will be.. - You Armour tank with Shield weaponry - I Shield tank with Armour weaponry So what we find balanced is not exactly the same, from running two different playstyles.. The shots landed in this video are a clear example of AA adding too much benefit - it's not just on sidearms Some rifles, when fired while strafing literally curve the bullets toward your target.. it is the bullet magnetism causing issue So before anything can effectively be changed with the Bolt Pistol, Aim Assistance mechanics need looking at. Most weapons have too much AA, once that is sorted, balancing the weapons will be a lot easier.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:13:00 - [48] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Nonsense. HF Alpha Rattati arrived on the scene and pitched Scout nerfs (rightfully so). I recommended we instead we immediately fix fire-from-cloak and buff Assaults to make them better slayers than HP-tanked Scouts. (In hindsight, we probably should've done both simultaneously.) Yes, he had a proposal which ended up being rejected and replaced with a more gentle nerf that clearly wasn't enough. Adipem Nothi wrote: HF Bravo IIRC, this one was focused more on V/AV than infantry. During HF Bravo, Gal and Cal Scout populations remained too high. The Barbershop and I put together proposal for HF Charlie which would directly nerf Gallente and Caldari Scouts. Rattati caught wind of it and reworked the proposal into something of his own. Don't think that counts, considering the Amarr and Min have scouts, and you wanted to nerf the Gal/Cal scouts to put them in line with the other scouts. Concern about scouts vs other suits was secondary until brought up by other people. Adipem Nothi wrote: HF Charlie During HF Charlie, the Scout Class attained Racial Parity for the first time ever. Scout populations, however, remained too high. From that point forward, the Barbershop and I concocted, proposed and pitched to Rattati nerf after nerf to (1) decrease Scout kill/spawn efficiency and (2) decrease Scout utilization rates and (3) encourage slayers to migrate from HP-tanked Scouts to to Assaults. These included: * Increased plate penalties for Scouts * Efficacy bonuses to EWAR modules vs flat bonuses to base statistics * Cloakblind (Haerr came up with the idea in the Barbershop; most of us supported it) * Increased decloak delay * Various changes to scan mechanics (including the removal of passive scan directional arrow) The record is very clear. The Barbershop and I recognized Scout overperformance for what it was, and we took the lead in getting Scouts nerfed. No one dislike FoTM Scouts more than us. Yeah, no. While you indeed came up with ideas for nerfs, which is all good and well - though directs the nerfs into places you want, you still were looking into gentle nerfs. As an example, with the decloak delay, Rattati proposed 1.2 seconds for decloak delay. I distinctly remember you guys being worried and suggesting to start with 0.5 seconds (not exact number, don't remember what you were suggesting to reduce it to). That's basically how you guys went about everything, looking for the gentlest nerfs possible if it's within your liking (EWAR, Speed, etc'), and harsh nerfs if it's something you didn't like (Brick, Gal/Cal scouts). I'll give you this: You're far better than the rest of the forums, but that doesn't set the bar high, considering I've seen people suggest switching Assault and Scout speeds as well as removing all weapons and grenade slots from logis. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:15:00 - [49] - Quote Pssst: Arkena is writing a shield thread to list the problems and possible solutions with shields, similar to what we did to armor back in early Uprising. So there's that "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:15:00 - [50] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Pssst: Arkena is writing a shield thread to list the problems and possible solutions with shields, similar to what we did to armor back in early Uprising. So there's that Gallente Bias. Arkena doesn't understand the true woes of shield users because he is Team Green. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:16:00 - [51] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Stuff Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself." Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:17:00 - [52] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Pssst: Arkena is writing a shield thread to list the problems and possible solutions with shields, similar to what we did to armor back in early Uprising. So there's that That's good, but I wouldn't push for any major adjustments until we see what comes of the strafe speed changes. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:19:00 - [53] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact. There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things. Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). I don't like you. I'm not here to make friends with people who have storied histories of throwing tantrums and being whiny babies. Now to paraphrase amadi's 'points' Aeon Amadi wrote: 1)"Assaults aren't viable as slayers and commando's are infringing upon them" 2)"Ar's aren't good enough, ESPECIALLY in the hands of a gal assault" 3)"Gallogi's are underpowered! they need to earn more warpoints especially when passive scans are considered" 4)"Breach AR's aren't good enough! they need to be good like the rail rifle!" 5)"Ion pistols aren't good enough it needs to be used more!" 6)"Caldari bolt pistols are too good! they need to be worse!" 7)"shields aren't good enough but armor isn't as overpowered as people make it out to be" 1) Roughly 100k assault suits are purchased every day, they have either some of the best stats or the second best stats in almost every area that matters - INCLUDING their ability to regenerate hp and their weapon performance buffs are no joke - yes even the gallente and caldari's. Commando's are in no way 'infringing' upon the suit with the highest slot counts and weapon performance buffs - especially when assaults are also usually putting out comparable damage amounts. This point is a misrepresentation of the reality. 2) The damage / range curve is off, but you're insane if you think that they need to be even better than they are in the hands of a gal assault. The gal assault bonus is underappreciated but amazing. 3) Gallogi's underpowered? Hah. Being able to keep entire enemy teams scanned from 200m's away is not underpowered at all. Yes it can be marginally harder to earn warpoints with them than say the minlogi (or maybe a lucky amarr logi), but they are still quite useful and good to the point where they are well represented in the 'competitive' meta. Passive scans were neutered so badly that often logi's do it better than scouts. If you want to talk truly underpowered, lets talk about the callogi with its 3 equip slots at proto and arbitrary loss of ~50 cpu compared to the gal logi and the fact that everyone can pack around 6-9 nanohives nowadays. 4) Are you prepared to have rail rifle level kick? Once again, dps/range curve is off but if you want rail rifle performance you'd better be willing to accept rail rifle drawbacks (maybe even worse because that gal assault bonus is so damn good). 5) Underrepresented doesn't equal bad. The ion pistol is quite a robust sidearm. 6) This is really more of an opinion than anything. Yes magnetism could be toned down but as said earlier, high magnetism is a feature of pistols - do a lot more testing, with all types of pistols. 7) Proportional damage / healthpools is a thing, as not all HP is built equally (otherwise we'd have armor and only armor). Gal and Amarr suits running triple damage mods (which IS common) can hit ~900-1150 dps against shields before warbarge modifiers these weapons have largely been balanced to be competitive in an armor meta and absolutely wreck shields. Armor may in fact not be overpowered, but it is and has been ubiquitous for forever. The biggest thing that might 'fix' shields in my unprofessional opinion is an inhibition value that you must 'beat' in order to stop shields from recharging - no 1 damage bullets stopping recharge. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:20:00 - [54] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Stuff Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself." Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Yeah, that was hyperbole, my mistake. However.... What I should have said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:23:00 - [55] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself." Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Never? Did I say never? If so, that was hyperbole. If not, great strawman. You literally just said it. It is right here in Post #38. Feel free to edit it out :-) Cat Merc wrote: What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. We tried to fix the problems which plagued our class without creating new (or worse) problems. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:24:00 - [56] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Stuff Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself." Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Never? Did I say never? If so, that was hyperbole. If not, great strawman. What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. You literally just said it. It is right here in Post #38. Feel free to edit it out :-) Why would I edit it out? I don't edit out my mistakes. (Unless grammar, or wanting to make my point more clear) Dunno how you operate However, as I said, what I intended was "mostly", and never was hyperbole on my part. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:27:00 - [57] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dunno how you operate Post above edited. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:27:00 - [58] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance? "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:28:00 - [59] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dunno how you operate Post above edited. Started editing before you posted since I scrolled up and saw that. I knew you'd get hung up on it, made it clearer. As I said, if I can make something clearer, I do "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:29:00 - [60] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance? Even when HAVs were at their very worst, I don't think that Spkr (or Taki) ever conceded that there might actually be a problem. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:30:00 - [61] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance? Even when HAVs were at their very worst, I don't think that Spkr (or Taki) ever conceded that there might actually be a problem. True. You are better than Spkr or Taki "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:31:00 - [62] - Quote Renaming the thread now. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:32:00 - [63] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Renaming the thread now. Mortal Kombat music FIGHT!!! "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:33:00 - [64] - Quote Oh come on. It's more like "Adipem and Mina tell Aeon he's being an idiot again and he gets buttflustered and offended" Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:34:00 - [65] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Renaming the thread now. Mortal Kombat music FIGHT!!! Actually, speaking of which, I remember seeing Kain Spero use a Gallente Sentinel in the NF 1v1 matches when we played the Mortal Kombat theme to each duel.... KAIN SPERO CONFIRMED FOR TEAM GREEN - GALLENTE ARE THE REASON FOR LEGION Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:34:00 - [66] - Quote Anyway, school is finally done, and I don't want to waste my first day of summer vacation on the forums. o7 "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:35:00 - [67] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance? Even when HAVs were at their very worst, I don't think that Spkr (or Taki) ever conceded that there might actually be a problem. True. You are better than Spkr or Taka These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:35:00 - [68] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Anyway, school is finally done, and I don't want to waste my first day of summer vacation on the forums. o7 Peace bro. Have sweet dreams of liberty and OP everything. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Immortal John Ripper 27	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:35:00 - [69] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Renaming the thread now. Mortal Kombat music FIGHT!!! Does this mean I don't have to hold back anymore??? Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$. GreatestCPMOFAllTime
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:35:00 - [70] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Anyway, school is finally done, and I don't want to waste my first day of summer vacation on the forums. o7 Have fun catmerc. Do something interesting. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:39:00 - [71] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"? Alright, since this is such a simple and repeated question since the dawn of the forums, I'll answer it, and THEN go. It's because they were the only general purpose weapons. Do you see everybody running around with shotguns? Snipers? They are situational, which means they're optimal for one or two things. If you present a general purpose weapon, even if it's not optimal everywhere, people would still use it because they can use it everywhere. Alright, off I go o7 "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:41:00 - [72] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Stuff Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself." Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Yeah, that was hyperbole, my mistake. However.... What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. This is prety unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs. Also, it's pretty silly to claim that Min and Am scouts were the favourites. Isn't it natural to propose buffs to underpowered suits and/or nerfs to overpowered suits? Doesn't mean the underpowered ones are your favourite. To address the OP, I don't think your video shows problems as clearly as you think. The 1.03 headshot is off, but it could be due to the reason Mina stated. However i'm not saying I think you are completely wrong. Perhaps assist on bolt pistols should be toned down a bit. It would be interesting to see it compared to other pistols. Edit- this thread moved on fast! Never mind then.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:46:00 - [73] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"? Back before I was converted to "Team Green" and started being all bias and stuff -Sniffle- Those were the best of times! Such nostalgia!! Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:49:00 - [74] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"? Back before I was converted to "Team Green" and started being all bias and stuff -Sniffle- Those were the best of times! Such nostalgia!! Here you make so much sense. A few months later, you're on the other side of the argument. Boggles the mind. Edit: March 2013 was pre-Uprising. Did you switch to AR with Uprising 1.0? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:50:00 - [75] - Quote Oh look, Adipem is once again letting my name slip out of his Ad hominin mouth again. You ignore evidence that doesn't fit your argument anyway so I dont know why I'm trying. You've obviously dug through my history looking for things, once again. Why dont you go and find the post where I wanted the breach AR repurposed. Why dont you go and find the era of Bricked tanked Gallente scout and where I complained about them, Duvolle TAR era, the list can go on. No, lets ignore all that. Lets ignore when the Laser was clearly OP. Lets ignore when the Rail and Combat rifle first came out, or when both Dropships ruled the world or when explosive spam was the only viable way of killing people. List goes on but for the sake of your argument we will only focus on "them" is when they talk about nerfing something that's Caldari. Gasp how dare they? How dare they even consider not discriminating against racial weapons. As a did before, it's pretty clear you guys have some sort us childish "us vs them" mentality especially when you guys call us "Team Gallente" when it comes to balancing things. I guess by your logic I can be called team Amarr too because they need more assets in the game and back then their weapons sucked as bad as ours did. You and your character is nothing new to me. Since the game started when Shields were the best option there were people that still cried whenever I said their favorite toy or race was OP. Especially when I said Dual Tanking should not be as effective as it is but then people claimed it was because I was a vehicle guy and not an infantry man, even though was pretty obvious I play mostly assault. You always want to bring up race when it comes to this but its pretty damn clear when we talk about things that aren't Gallente or Caldari no one ever says a thing about bias but the second we make a thread about Gallente or Caldari its suddenly," you and your friends only want x for y. " I honestly have no time for this absurdly childish banter today, only having one day off this week. Just popping in because my name came out of your mouth again with false acquisitions with cherry picked information you love so much. Feel free to go back to arguing with ad homs against the other "Team Gallente". Enjoy those cherrys. >>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<" This is very true and it works both ways. Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:22:00 - [76] - Quote Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? Don't waste your time brother. Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:26:00 - [77] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"? Back before I was converted to "Team Green" and started being all bias and stuff -Sniffle- Those were the best of times! Such nostalgia!! Here you make so much sense. A few months later, you're on the other side of the argument. Boggles the mind. Edit: March 2013 was pre-Uprising. Did you switch to AR with Uprising 1.0? A few months later they knocked the AR down to 40m with no fall-off.............. Uprising 1.0 was released on May 14th. I never "switched" to AR, I always used the AR. I used to run a Cal Assault with quad armor reppers because I could repair -through- the damage I was taking from other combatants due to lack of aim assist and the fact that the plates didn't weigh me down so much that I couldn't strafe. I was running "Gallente Assault" before it was available. Only reason I ever went Gallente Scout with a Shotgun was because the Gallente Assault wasn't available and I had a IRL friend - Havlok Baldruf, if you really care to actually look instead of making more assumptions about me - who ran the same thing. We got an insane amount of joy working the outside objectives and, in his words, "Tapping bro's in the back of the dome with a scattering of plasma". You're so eager to try and find evidence of my "bias" that you're actually assuming that I "switched", that it "boggles the mind" that I'd be on the "other side of the argument". Did you ever stop and think, "HOLY CRAP, MAYBE HE'S NOT BIAS?!" Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:27:00 - [78] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? Don't waste your time brother. Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. Oh you're one to talk :lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:] Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:29:00 - [79] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? Don't waste your time brother. Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. Oh you're one to talk :lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:] Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:29:00 - [80] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? Don't waste your time brother. Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. I picked this fight by calling out Aeon. Aeon's concerns about Bolt Pistol aim assist very likely have merit, and I think his video does a good job at demonstrating those concerns. I only wish he were so thorough when addressing all instances of imbalance. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)

Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:31:00 - [81] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? Don't waste your time brother. Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. I picked this fight by calling out Aeon. Aeon's concerns about Bolt Pistol aim assist very likely have merit, and I think his video does a good job at demonstrating those concerns. I only wish he were so thorough when addressing all instances of imbalance. I am. You just don't see it because you're so freaggin quick on the Ad Hominem trigger and the "Team Green Bias" button. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:33:00 - [82] - Quote Or did you forget I have -TWO ENTIRE YOUTUBE CHANNELS- youtube.com/aeonamadi youtube.com/blindmansmoon Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:37:00 - [83] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? Don't waste your time brother. Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. I picked this fight by calling out Aeon. Aeon's concerns about Bolt Pistol aim assist very likely have merit, and I think his video does a good job at demonstrating those concerns. I only wish he were so thorough when addressing all instances of imbalance. I am. You just don't see it because you're so freaggin quick on the Ad Hominem trigger and the "Team Green Bias" button. If this were true, you would've been allover the pre-nerf Breach AR rather than all about making excuses for it. Same with low-slot diversity / brick meta. Same with GalLogi scans. Same with Assault utilization and efficiency rates. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:37:00 - [84] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: >>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<" This is very true and it works both ways. Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:39:00 - [85] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience? Don't waste your time brother. Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. I picked this fight by calling out Aeon. Aeon's concerns about Bolt Pistol aim assist very likely have merit, and I think his video does a good job at demonstrating those concerns. I only wish he were so thorough when addressing all instances of imbalance. I am. You just don't see it because you're so freaggin quick on the Ad Hominem trigger and the "Team Green Bias" button. If this were true, you would've been allover the pre-nerf Breach AR rather than all about making excuses for it. Same with low-slot diversity / brick meta. Same with GalLogi scans. Same with Assault utilization and efficiency rates. Oh god ***** damn it, whatever dude, you win, as always. You've trolled your way, like a pigeon playing chess and crapping all over the board, into yet another victory just because I don't have the time or the patience to sit here and try and convince your or change your mind that you don't know a -***** thing about me-. Posts hidden. Go talk to Mina or something. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:41:00 - [86] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: >>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<" This is very true and it works both ways. Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions. Oh no, I'm not saying you were at all. I was just agreeing with your statement then started talking about those two again. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 1	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:43:00 - [87] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: >>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<" This is very true and it works both ways. Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions. Oh no, I'm not saying you were at all. I was just agreeing with your statement then started talking about those two again. Thank goodness!
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 15:45:00 - [88] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: >>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<" This is very true and it works both ways. Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions. Oh no, I'm not saying you were at all. I was just agreeing with your statement then started talking about those two again. Who cares? Dude got what he wanted. Trolled his way right onto the block list. We'll just meander on about how OP everything Caldari is and how UP everything Gallente is. You notice he never once addressed the list I made right? Never once brought up any of his own proposals for it - just went straight into trolling again with all the Adipem Hominem and Bias he could muster. Dude can't argue and can't make proposals unless it has something to do with Scouts being nerfed but he'd just as quickly forget there's a discussion going on to try and change the way people think about you because it's the only way he can get out of a conversation he doesn't have total control over. Hilarious. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 16:06:00 - [89] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: >>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<" This is very true and it works both ways. Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions. Oh no, I'm not saying you were at all. I was just agreeing with your statement then started talking about those two again. Who cares? Dude got what he wanted. Trolled his way right onto the block list. We'll just meander on about how OP everything Caldari is and how UP everything Gallente is. You notice he never once addressed the list I made right? Never once brought up any of his own proposals for it - just went straight into trolling again with all the Adipem Hominem and Bias he could muster. Dude can't argue and can't make proposals unless it has something to do with Scouts being nerfed but he'd just as quickly forget there's a discussion going on to try and change the way people think about you because it's the only way he can get out of a conversation he doesn't have total control over. Hilarious. No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.18 16:12:00 - [90] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente. I don't really feel that Aeon is all that biased TBH. There have been times when he's advocated for a nerf of Gallente tech before. Either way, this thread WAS about the Bolt Pistol. Aeon's video shows how extreme the AA or magnetism is on this weapon. It's clear to the average observer that the Bolt Pistol needs fixing; not just because it's Caldari. I don't think this is part of Aeon's 'Team Green' agenda. The Bolt Pistol is clearly overpowered anyway. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3

Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 16:14:00 - [91] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente. I don't really feel that Aeon is all that biased TBH. There have been times when he's advocated for a nerf of Gallente tech before. Either way, this thread WAS about the Bolt Pistol. Aeon's video shows how extreme the AA or magnetism is on this weapon. It's clear to the average observer that the Bolt Pistol needs fixing; not just because it's Caldari. I don't think this is part of Aeon's 'Team Green' agenda. The Bolt Pistol is clearly overpowered anyway. Nope. It's Caldari. Needs nerf. #TeamGreen. Vote #TeamGreen Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 16:25:00 - [92] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente. I don't really feel that Aeon is all that biased TBH. There have been times when he's advocated for a nerf of Gallente tech before. Either way, this thread WAS about the Bolt Pistol. Aeon's video shows how extreme the AA or magnetism is on this weapon. It's clear to the average observer that the Bolt Pistol needs fixing; not just because it's Caldari. I don't think this is part of Aeon's 'Team Green' agenda. The Bolt Pistol is clearly overpowered anyway. It isn't hard to find posts of Aeon defending overpowered Gallente gear. For instance, he was especially ardent about the Breach AR, back when it was overpowered and spammed as hard as MN Assaults are today. As for the Bolt Pistol, yes aim assist is likely too strong with this one, but beyond that I don't know that we can safely claim that it is "clearly overpowered". Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Echo 1991 Dead Man's Game 845	Posted - 2015.06.18 16:28:00 - [93] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente. I don't really feel that Aeon is all that biased TBH. There have been times when he's advocated for a nerf of Gallente tech before. Either way, this thread WAS about the Bolt Pistol. Aeon's video shows how extreme the AA or magnetism is on this weapon. It's clear to the average observer that the Bolt Pistol needs fixing; not just because it's Caldari. I don't think this is part of Aeon's 'Team Green' agenda. The Bolt Pistol is clearly overpowered anyway. It isn't hard to find posts of Aeon defending overpowered Gallente gear. For instance, he was especially ardent about the Breach AR, back when it was overpowered and spammed as hard as MN Assaults are today. I can find posts for you if you're unable to locate any. As for the Bolt Pistol, yes aim assist is likely too strong with this one, but beyond that I don't know that we can safely claim that it is "clearly overpowered". A sidearm doing more damage than a sniper rifle, with added bullet magnetism. Clearly not OP. Wanna play eve?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 16:36:00 - [94] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente. I don't really feel that Aeon is all that biased TBH. There have been times when he's advocated for a nerf of Gallente tech before. Either way, this thread WAS about the Bolt Pistol. Aeon's video shows how extreme the AA or magnetism is on this weapon. It's clear to the average observer that the Bolt Pistol needs fixing; not just because it's Caldari. I don't think this is part of Aeon's 'Team Green' agenda. The Bolt Pistol is clearly overpowered anyway. It isn't hard to find posts of Aeon defending overpowered Gallente gear. For instance, he was especially ardent about the Breach AR, back when it was overpowered and spammed as hard as MN Assaults are today. I can find posts for you if you're unable to locate any. As for the Bolt Pistol, yes aim assist is likely too strong with this one, but beyond that I don't know that we can safely claim that it is "clearly overpowered". A sidearm doing more damage than a sniper rifle, with added bullet magnetism. Clearly not OP. It's absolutely possible that it's too good and has too much aim assist, but how would we know? Are its Kill / Spawn Efficiency and Utilization Rates abnormally high? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 16:43:00 - [95] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente. I don't really feel that Aeon is all that biased TBH. There have been times when he's advocated for a nerf of Gallente tech before. Either way, this thread WAS about the Bolt Pistol. Aeon's video shows how extreme the AA or magnetism is on this weapon. It's clear to the average observer that the Bolt Pistol needs fixing; not just because it's Caldari. I don't think this is part of Aeon's 'Team Green' agenda. The Bolt Pistol is clearly overpowered anyway. It isn't hard to find posts of Aeon defending overpowered Gallente gear. For instance, he was especially ardent about the Breach AR, back when it was overpowered and spammed as hard as MN Assaults are today. I can find posts for you if you're unable to locate any. As for the Bolt Pistol, yes aim assist is likely too strong with this one, but beyond that I don't know that we can safely claim that it is "clearly overpowered". A sidearm doing more damage than a sniper rifle, with added bullet magnetism. Clearly not OP. What you're doing right now You can't argue with him dude. If you don't use the stuff, you're ignorant - if you do use it, you're bias. You can't win, just don't even bother talking to him lol. Vote #TeamGreen Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 713	Posted - 2015.06.18 17:11:00 - [96] - Quote Anyone who is tired of this bitching click here to balance the BP Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 17:15:00 - [97] - Quote I am officially team salmon I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 17:53:00 - [98] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: What you're doing right now That's a great picture, Aeon! Reminds of that time I brought my Emotions to a Logic Fight. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Immortal John Ripper 27	Posted - 2015.06.18 18:35:00 - [99] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente. I don't really feel that Aeon is all that biased TBH. There have been times when he's advocated for a nerf of Gallente tech before. Either way, this thread WAS about the Bolt Pistol. Aeon's video shows how extreme the AA or magnetism is on this weapon. It's clear to the average observer that the Bolt Pistol needs fixing; not just because it's Caldari. I don't think this is part of Aeon's 'Team Green' agenda. The Bolt Pistol is clearly overpowered anyway. I like you. Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$. GreatestCPMOFAllTime
Immortal John Ripper 27	Posted - 2015.06.18 18:35:00 - [100] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I am officially team salmon My feelings for you are undecided. Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$. GreatestCPMOFAllTime

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 18:43:00 - [101] - Quote @ Sgt Kirk Why does it upset you when people look through your post history? You're running for CPM. People should be looking through your post history. As for my "false acquisitions" about Team Gallente here are a couple interesting Team Gallente quotes from back when the Breach AR was OP/FoTM: Aeon Amadi wrote: Breach AR is -SUPPOSED- to be great at both [long range and short range] by it's design, though. As an AR it's meant for great CQC performance and by emulating the Rail Rifle it's meant for great long-performance. Don't hate because it's doing it's job. Sgt Kirk wrote: Lol what? You guys are so pathetic. RR is a ranged weapon, stick to its ideal environment and bot run it in CQC like a dumbass, learning how to aim wouldn't hurt you either. People have depended way too much on easy mode and not thinking it's gotten to the point where they can't function properly without a weapon being able to be good at everything. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 18:44:00 - [102] - Quote And a few more: Sgt Kirk wrote: All this nerf Breach AR nonsense and no one is calling out the Combat Rifle's overperformance still is hilarious to me. Sgt Kirk wrote: Quote: The Breach AR is not OP, it-¦s only effective at what it was designed to do ... Exactly. Sgt Kirk wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: BAR nerf is on the table, yes. Breach AR nerf? Are you serious? You do play this game right? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.18 18:59:00 - [103] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: And a few more: [quote=Sgt Kirk]All this nerf Breach AR nonsense and no one is calling out the Combat Rifle's overperformance still is hilarious to me. Yep, you mind finding the multiple post where I take it back and say it does need to be repurposed while you're at it. Like I said before in multiple post. You'll only find the post you want, the ones you don't find according to your wanted worldview are ones you discard. And no, I don't care that you look through my history I have a problem with you showing halfs truths. A half truth is not a truth at all. TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 19:34:00 - [104] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: And a few more: [quote=Sgt Kirk]All this nerf Breach AR nonsense and no one is calling out the Combat Rifle's overperformance still is hilarious to me. Yep, you mind finding the multiple post where I take it back and say it does need to be repurposed while you're at it. Like I said before in multiple post. You'll only find the post you want, the ones you don't find according to your wanted worldview are ones you discard. And no, I don't care that you look through my history I have a problem with you showing halfs truths. A half truth is not a truth at all. These quotes are not untrue or half true. These are examples of Team Gallente double standards. These are examples of excusing imbalance. These are examples of defending an item that's being actively spammed as FoTM. And these examples aren't isolated instances. On Page 1 of this thread, a weapon which admittedly needs tuning but is not over-utilized and absolutely not FoTM falls under Aeon's scrutiny. It isn't Gallente. He labels it "ridiculous" and "overpowered". On the other hand, an overpowered, over-utilized FoTM Gallente Fine Rifle? "Not overpowered." "Just doing its job". Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.18 19:38:00 - [105] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: And a few more: [quote=Sgt Kirk]All this nerf Breach AR nonsense and no one is calling out the Combat Rifle's overperformance still is hilarious to me. Yep, you mind finding the multiple post where I take it back and say it does need to be repurposed while you're at it. Like I said before in multiple post. You'll only find the post you want, the ones you don't find according to your wanted worldview are ones you discard. And no, I don't care that you look through my history I have a problem with you showing halfs truths. A half truth is not a truth at all. These quotes are not untrue or half true. These are examples of Team Gallente double standards. These are examples of excusing imbalance. These are examples of defending an item that's being actively spammed as FoTM. And these examples aren't isolated instances. On Page 1 of this thread, a weapon which admittedly needs tuning but is not over-utilized and absolutely not FoTM falls under Aeon's scrutiny. It isn't Gallente. He labels it "ridiculous" and "overpowered". On the other hand, we have a truly overpowered, truly over-utilized and truly FoTM Gallente Rifle. "Not overpowered." "It's just doing its job". You all saw it ladies in gentleman. There's proof that I took back my words on the Breach AR after a week or two of debating and wanted to change it and here Adipem is ignoring that. One, if he does admit that he will bring another attack routing around to something around the area of my being wrong which discredits anything I have to say. Because normal human beings couldn't possibly be wrong about something. Or he will just continue to ignore it as you see here. Either way, he'll try to shift you opinion on his court. Lets see which path he takes! TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
Mina Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 19:41:00 - [106] - Quote I'd also like to chime in with the fact that I didn't deny or dismiss aeons claim. I merely provided additional reasoning for why his perceptions might not be entirely accurate. I didn't even make the claim that it was 'fine' or 'working as intended'. I did highlight that hitscan pistols may have stronger magnetism as a feature of the weapon class in general though, but that is neither an affirmation of things working as intended nor a denial of the weapon being... quirky. So yay for no doublespeak on my part. Just pushing the buttons of a person who only sees things one way usually based entirely on initial perceptions and gut feelings. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
noob cavman Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 19:42:00 - [107] - Quote I... Wha? Since when has the gal ar become op!? If I didn't enjoy the ar for fun fits and racial fits I would 90% of the time throw on a arr for the extra range. Or the cr I want to be a caveman! psn: marko_blues Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Officially team salmon #majestic leaps
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 19:45:00 - [108] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I... Wha? Since when has the gal ar become op!? If I didn't enjoy the ar for fun fits and racial fits I would 90% of the time throw on a arr for the extra range. Or the cr I think you were taking a break from Dust at that time. This was ~Nov-Dec of last year, and it was only the Breach AR which was OP. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 11	Posted - 2015.06.18 19:46:00 - [109] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I... Wha? Since when has the gal ar become op!? If I didn't enjoy the ar for fun fits and racial fits I would 90% of the time throw on a arr for the extra range. Or the cr There was about a month Rattati buffed the Breach AR after it was nerfed into uselessness. The Buff was a bit too strong but really all it needed was a range reduction (which is what it got). My biggest problem is that if it's supposed to emulate the Rail Rifle in a way, why isn't it longer range, less DPS and same RoF? TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 19:52:00 - [110] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: You all saw it ladies in gentleman. There's proof that I took back my words on the Breach AR after a week or two of debating and wanted to change it and here Adipem is ignoring that. One, if he does admit that he will bring another attack routing around to something around the area of my being wrong which discredits anything I have to say. Because normal human beings couldn't possibly be wrong about something. Or he will just continue to ignore it as you see here. Either way, he'll try to shift you opinion on his court. Lets see which path he takes! It's almost like a text based game because you know what he'll do. I have one last surprise that I know he'll do. My Adipem Strategy guide is never wrong. I'm amused by your belief that "we can't judge you based on things you've said/done in the past" nor use those things as a basis for future expectations because you've "turned a new leaf and dealt with your anger issues". It's funny cause it's largely you going "So what if i occasionally have ridiculous double standards and maintain my position on them for weeks/months; usually until everyone stops listening to me and it's clear that I was wrong... so to save face I'll recant my position and pretend like I never took that position in the first place". If you're truly going to have a biased position, stick to your convictions... if you end up having both a demonstrably bad and biased opinion you'll be ignored (like SPKR & Taka). If you don't want to be labeled as biased try being more open and receptive to things right from the start... particularly actual information rather than just 'feelings'. Point in case: KDR was posted for all suits, people notice that caldari seem unusually high up on the list... I ask for more information because I don't think that KDR is entirely accurate as a sole point of data, but even then I hypothesize reasons for why caldari suits might be so high up in their KDR (a tendency towards long range weaponry for most, and core locus & nanohives for the callogi). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 20:06:00 - [111] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Gotta go. Going to eat at the cheesecake factory. I admit, I'm jealous. Have fun :-) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7	Posted - 2015.06.18 20:06:00 - [112] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Renaming the thread now. Golden. It took a while, I must say. Watching this thread was and continue to be entertaining.
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 295	Posted - 2015.06.18 20:18:00 - [113] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: What!!!! It can't be!!! It's total balance since it has AA like every other gun.
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 295	Posted - 2015.06.18 20:23:00 - [114] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Because I like to present and deal in facts and hard numbers. They are surprisingly more reliable than kneejerks and feelings. I know that dealing with facts is an uncomfortable proposition for you, as it tends to disrupt or diminish whatever asinine narrative you're trying to spew, but maybe you should try it for a bit, you might earn yourself a bit more respect. Or you can just throw another tantrum when you don't win CPM this year either. I'm pretty sure hardcore video evidence with slow motion and freeze frames is about as much evidence as one really needs to see that something fishy is going on, and there are a few other videos that showed similar to this. Did you come in here to debate the Bolt Pistol or to try and antagonize me? have you even tried to use the BP without AA? better yet have you even tried playing without it? someone like you should know this by know HTFU
VAHZZ Corrosive Synergy No Context 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 20:23:00 - [115] - Quote Ok, I believe it is time for me to shed off my troll approach in regards to arguments like this. Usually I would make some true statement but twist it as a troll dbag move. Excuse the long ass post. In regards to the argument that the Ion Pistol is crap. While I agree that it is nowhere near as good as it should be, it missing dead on shots, I still say it is viable. I have a suit, that I use double Ion Pistols on. I have great success with it, ofc I don't go like 30 kills, but i get around 15 to 20. Just with that fit. I am not saying it needs to stay the way it is, it does need a buff. But seriously, you know how CCP is with buffs and nerfs. Take this example. I am a scout, been since beta. I remember a time back in the day when us scouts were not loved by CCP or the community. Despite how underwhelming our suit was, we still managed to become feared. NK Minjas, Shotty Gals, Gal Snipers. We were perfectly fine. Then came the cloak and we were even more fearsome, because back when the cloak debuted, it was OP and completely invisible. It made monsters like mr musturd and DJINN Marauder crazy. Then that got nerfed to all hell and now it is basically useless. Then CCP hit us with the god awful FoTM, which is actually when I took my year long break from DUST. Everybody that once called scouts trash and useless, were now using them and invading our precious sanctum and sullying it with their muddy hands. Then they nerfed us and the FoTM chaser left. Take a look at the BP, it is near omnipotent right now, almost as bad as the almighty AR back in the day. My point is, CCP has proven time and time again, that they are not always great with Buffs/Nerfs. But I do believe in Rattata, so far he is the most coherent dev along with LogiBro (I miss you...) and Frame. RatFrame are great, and I believe Rat can fix that CCP curse. I say that the BP should be nerfed by maybe 50%. Nerf that awful magnetism and AA and buff it a bit without AA, because without AA the BP is awful. And I say the Ion Pistol should be buffed by atleast 30%, because like I said, it is not god awful but it is not great. Now onto this nonsense argument going on down here. Kirk, stop defending the BrAR, it is OP and you know it, it needs a nerf just like the A/ScR, A/CR, and BP. I am not talking a huge nerf. Because the Scrambler is actually working as intended, it is just too powerful. Leave the bonus alone, it is perfectly fine, the damage output just needs to be nerfed. It tears through everything too much. The BrAR however is ridiculous, it tears through regardless of what suit is using it. The Combat is in the same boat as the Scrambler , however. And the BP is in a league of it's own. I am unbiased. I am not for Team Gallente, Caldari, Matari, or Amarr. I am for Team Knowledge. I want this game balanced, and it is never going to be when people like you keep defending OP weapons. I actually believe the shotgun is a little OP and I use it on a regular basis. It is really easy mode. It has high amounts of alpha damage, but since it is a shotgun I always somewhat believe that to be accurate. In real life, shotguns give more bang for your buck, they have considerably higher amounts of damage outputs than other rifles or sidearms. But the thing is, CCP gave the shotty more chambered shots than a real shotgun. 6 shots is far too much and a little OP for a weapon with such high damage. The number of shots should actually be reduced to maybe 3 or 4, idk. But I know the number of shots it has in it's chamber now are far too much. I agree with Aeon, and I believe he is unbiased. That is one of the things I like about him, and I believe he could be the next LogiBro one day...maybe. #TeamGreen GÖ¢ Scouts United - Join the Scout channel. GÖ¢
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 22:36:00 - [116] - Quote I asked a very simple set of questions and was not given any answers. Just hamfisted reasons as to why the questions shouldn't have been asked. Since no-one is going to answer them I might as well re-iterate my opinions and feelings on the Breach Assault Rifle of old (since that's where this thread went, it seems): You have a Plasma Rifle. It's entire design is based on high damage, close range warfare. You have a Rail Rifle. It's entire design is based on long range warfare, sacrificing damage for it's range. Whereas everyone kept saying "Nerf the damage!" and "Nerf the range!" I said, "Just give it more recoil/hipfire dispersion, make it more like the Rail Rifle." Did anyone listen? No, they just saw that I was against a hammer-nerf to the weapon's design which was contradictory in and of itself. Which, even then, I was mixed, because the design of the weapon - in it's very description - said that it was supposed to have better hipfire and that was always the case. The Breach AR had the best hipfire out of the entire line-up. So, by design, it was trying to be too many things at once. A Plasma Rifle with high damage, a Rail Rifle with long range, a legacy (pre-Uprising) designed Breach weapon with tighter hipfire. All of those things made for an overpowered weapon. BUT, by CCP's design, it was performing it's job exactly as intended - that is -what they wanted- and that is what I supported, because it isn't my place to tell CCP how THEIR weapon should have been designed. As I said previously, which everyone ignored because "oh em gee #Team Green", if we had left it's range and damage as it were and given it hellacious recoil/hipfire so that it -HAD- to be used while Aiming Down the Sight (yanno, like the ARR/RR) then it would have been balanced. Instead we just made it an Assault Rifle with slower RoF and higher damage... which... just homogenized the damn thing. I'm thoroughly against homogenization and hate it with every fiber of my being but.... #TeamGreen Vote #TeamGreen Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
Sequal's Back Dead Man's Game 615	Posted - 2015.06.18 22:50:00 - [117] - Quote Only saw bad blueberries, kills with magsec, and bad enemy heavies. 1 shot from your BP was actually really weird ( the one where the guy jumps in the air and you clearly shot under his feets). But It happens with about every weapon. Try the RR, it does the same thing, as if the bullets were "big". WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 22:52:00 - [118] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Breach Assault Rifle Make it great down range or great in CQC. Being great at both is a 'bit too much (see old Rail Rifle). If to be great down range, then hipfire should be erratic. If to be great in CQC, then damage at range should be reduced. Breach AR is -SUPPOSED- to be great at both by it's design, though. As an AR it's meant for great CQC performance and by emulating the Rail Rifle it's meant for great long-performance. Don't hate because it's doing it's job. Aeon Amadi wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: The Breach AR is the new CQC RR. Nerf hipfire accuracy of the Breach AR to the level of the RR, it is OP. For real. Dude -has- to be trolling if he's saying that an Assault Rifle is OP between December, 2013 and now. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 23:49:00 - [119] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: BAR isn't OP, the fact that it's being used again is a sign that it's actually becoming viable in the Rail/Combat rifle world. The fact that people are wanting it changed so soon after the fact is a sure sign that it's interfering with their beloved meta. Note: I looked for posts from the affected period where you (1) identified/agreed that the Breach AR was overperforming and/or (2) suggested nerfs to the Breach AR to bring it into balance. Not to say they don't exist, but I didn't find either. As I recall, the Breach AR was OP/FoTM between November 2014 and December 2014. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=Breach+Assault+Rifle&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=BrAR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=Breach+AR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=BAR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi Shotty, no-one cares. Really. I'm sure I can dig up some posts where you say something that doesn't properly elaborate on your meaning. Pulling and digging up **** in an effort to contradict what I'm saying -NOW- is just childish and immature. Seriously. You should be ashamed of yourself. Vote #TeamGreen Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 19	Posted - 2015.06.19 00:15:00 - [120] - Quote There is something up with all pistols when it comes to slow firing single shots. They seem to have increased magnetism including the Ion Pistol. I mean I watched Kirks montage the other day and while there is not doubt he is good at this game a fair number of his 'headshot kills' appeared wrong to me almost as if the rounds were angling slightly to score those kills. "Crush all who complain!" `- Arkena Wyrnspire`

Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition 336	Posted - 2015.06.19 01:46:00 - [121] - Quote Lol bro Im not gonna lie the AA and Bullet Magnetism on the Bp is insane.... but to be fair alot of weapons have insane AA and Bullet magnetism with the added bonus of being auto-matic ...... the breach AR practically aims for you... I wouldnt call the Bp Op tho ...... I'm really good with skill-shot weapon and the charge time makes it really hard for even me to get headshots... and thats the thing with the Bp you can honestly wreck a team by getting headshots.... but if your just getting body shots its only good for low hp suits so imo its balanced sniper changes !!? O_o
Immortal John Ripper 27	Posted - 2015.06.19 02:16:00 - [122] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: I merely provided additional reasoning for why his perceptions might not be entirely accurate. Just pushing the buttons of a person who only sees things one way usually based entirely on initial perceptions and gut feelings. Which was completely rude and uncalled for. Whatever you think he has done to you in the past is just that in the past. In the here and now on this thread you started it. There are a thousand ways you could have expressed yourself and how you felt but you chose a way that was very negative and when I read it, it even hurt my feelings. Not enough to cry so NO TEARS FOR YOU, but just enough to hurt my feelz. Take it from someone who is mostly from the receiving end of alot of criticism. I would laugh with you, at me but I would never try to hurt someone else as they try to hurt me. I did let you know how I felt without being completely mean or lecturing you. You could have ignored it or not but I feel like you were responding to me with this... So I will just say that I do approve of trolling but I have my own style and I disapprove of the negativity. If Aeon started it, I would let him know what I think. He knows I am not afraid to speak up and say what is on my mind. Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$. GreatestCPMOFAllTime
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.19 02:38:00 - [123] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: BAR isn't OP, the fact that it's being used again is a sign that it's actually becoming viable in the Rail/Combat rifle world. The fact that people are wanting it changed so soon after the fact is a sure sign that it's interfering with their beloved meta. Note: I looked for posts from the affected period where you (1) identified/agreed that the Breach AR was overperforming and/or (2) suggested nerfs to the Breach AR to bring it into balance. Not to say they don't exist, but I didn't find either. As I recall, the Breach AR was OP/FoTM between November 2014 and December 2014. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=Breach+Assault+Rifle&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=BrAR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=Breach+AR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=BAR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi Shotty, no-one cares. Really. I'm sure I can dig up some posts where you say something that doesn't properly elaborate on your meaning. Pulling and digging up **** in an effort to contradict what I'm saying -NOW- is just childish and immature. Seriously. You should be ashamed of yourself. You claimed right here in Post #111 that you recognized that the Breach AR was overperforming and that you proposed ideas on how to fix it. If that were the case, why isn't there a record of it in the Forums? I looked, and I couldn't find it. All that I found were posts to the opposite effect. If the posts are there, help me find them. Otherwise, it appears that you're making things up. I'm not ashamed for calling you out on that, Aeon. Why would I be? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.19 04:23:00 - [124] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: BAR isn't OP, the fact that it's being used again is a sign that it's actually becoming viable in the Rail/Combat rifle world. The fact that people are wanting it changed so soon after the fact is a sure sign that it's interfering with their beloved meta. Note: I looked for posts from the affected period where you (1) identified/agreed that the Breach AR was overperforming and/or (2) suggested nerfs to the Breach AR to bring it into balance. Not to say they don't exist, but I didn't find either. As I recall, the Breach AR was OP/FoTM between November 2014 and December 2014. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=Breach+Assault+Rifle&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=BrAR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=Breach+AR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=BAR&postedby=Aeon+Amadi Shotty, no-one cares. Really. I'm sure I can dig up some posts where you say something that doesn't properly elaborate on your meaning. Pulling and digging up **** in an effort to contradict what I'm saying -NOW- is just childish and immature. Seriously. You should be ashamed of yourself. You claimed right here in Post #111 that you recognized that the Breach AR was overperforming and that you proposed ideas on how to fix it. If that were the case, why isn't there a record of it in the Forums? I looked, and I couldn't find it. All that I found were posts to the opposite effect. If the posts are there, help me find them. Otherwise, it appears that you're making things up. I'm not ashamed for calling you out on that, Aeon. Why would I be? Dunno what to tell you, Shotty. If you need a previous history and a background check to understand the why and how of someone's feedback then you're going to be disappointed. People's opinions change, aren't always concrete, and even less times correctly/properly worded up to your (insanely high) standards. I said what I wanted the Breach AR to do in -this- thread. Regardless of what I said in the past, if you can't be objective and discuss it with what I am saying now then there really is no point because anyone can dig up info from months ago and use it as evidence as to why someone is wrong -now-. Doesn't mean it isn't a fallacy. You let me know whenever you're ready to have a discussion and not continue on the Ad Hominem train because even now that is all you're doing. It isn't proper discussion or debate, it's just BS and you know it. I dunno if it's because you can't formulate a counter argument to what I've said, can't come up with your own proposals to the list of other things in that post, or your own crazy ass obsession with trying to prove me wrong is getting in the way but you've long lost the ability to remain objective in a debate. So, like I said, I dunno what to tell you. I guess I'm inherently always going to be wrong because I'm liquid with my thought processes. -Shrug- Back to hiding your posts, now. I think you've proven without a shadow of a doubt that there is no way to reconcile any sort of legitimate conversation here. It'll always be Adipem shitting on Aeon. Vote #TeamGreen Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
nelo kazuma Ecce Initio RLC. RUST415 280	Posted - 2015.06.19 04:30:00 - [125] - Quote Your video only made it clear that it isnt it requires good aim for it to be affective can ONLY take on one at a time n it has a very low ammo clip now that being I do admit I miss original 6 shot but ill take bolt pistol nerf when the flaylock takes its FOR THE STATE ^(-_-) Cal Loyalist For Life
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy No Context 4	Posted - 2015.06.19 04:43:00 - [126] - Quote For science, try doing that with all the pistols. Methinks this is just normal DUST hit detection at its finest. When you killed that jumper lifting off, that was clear hitbox lag, not necessarily something wrong with the bolt pistol. Sniper Rifles are for Nitrogenous Dioxide Borons I am the Anti-FoTM
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.19 19:10:00 - [127] - Quote The most amusing thing about all of this is that this wasn't even.meant to be a discussion on the weapon balance. I made a video, I slow moed and freeze framed hilarious and strange things, even put a humorous tone to jt with sound effects and sound clips. Buuuuut of course, leave it to one or two people to come in and start explosively shitting all over the walls about how the weapon is balanced, so terrified of any potential negative feedback to their favorite weapon, and calling out any perceived threat with completely irrelevant topics and "evidence" as to why this conjured statement about why the bolt pistol is OP is wrong despite my NEVER having said it. Hell, I didnt even bring it up for discussion ,I just made a video. That is how absolutely terrified people are to see the bolt pistol nerfed xD damn the humour, damn the comedic factors, THIS THREAD IS GOIN' DOWN AND TEAM GREEN IS GOIN' WIT" ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Vote #TeamGreen Because if you don't, the Caldari will be the next ones who are bias!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.19 19:33:00 - [128] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: The most amusing thing about all of this is that this wasn't even.meant to be a discussion on the weapon balance. I made a video, I slow moed and freeze framed hilarious and strange things, even put a humorous tone to jt with sound effects and sound clips. Buuuuut of course, leave it to one or two people to come in and start explosively shitting all over the walls about how the weapon is balanced, so terrified of any potential negative feedback to their favorite weapon, and calling out any perceived threat with completely irrelevant topics and "evidence" as to why this conjured statement about why the bolt pistol is OP is wrong despite my NEVER having said it. Hell, I didnt even bring it up for discussion ,I just made a video. That is how absolutely terrified people are to see the bolt pistol nerfed xD damn the humour, damn the comedic factors, THIS THREAD IS GOIN' DOWN AND TEAM GREEN IS GOIN' WIT" ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Dude, you just don't when to stop, do you? I agreed with you from the very beginning that something fishy was going on with the weapon's adhesion/magnetism, and that it should be investigated and fixed. I fully recognize that this would weaken Bolt Pistol. I disclosed that I run the Bolt Pistol at Proficiency(5) and that I really like the gun. In other words, I'm favor of fixing the gun even if I really like the gun, and even if doing so will negatively affect me. Now how does that compare up to your defense of the OP/FoTM Breach AR? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.19 19:37:00 - [129] - Quote This thread is still going? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3


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