DUST Search - [Video] Polt Bistol is just ridiculous...

TheD1CK wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

TheD1CK wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy.

My Ion Pistol still misses.

C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'??

It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face Shocked

Other than Gallente role-players, how many people do you honestly see use Ion Pistols?

Ever wonder why?

Well I have prof.4, sharpshooter 5, so there is one Pirate

Ion Pistol is a superior CQC Assault ScP, high rapid fire, with a charge shot that makes the BP seem balanced, don't get me wrong, I am well aware the BP is too good I got it to prof5 before they buffed it when it was decent already, after that it became a monster, I agree 100% on that. After getting bored of listening to QQ, I skilled other sidearms.. One of which being the Ion Pistol and it is just as deadly, although close range, but it makes up for that.. ever tried to out strafe one???

You have little to no chance, where a BP can miss easily.

I have no issue with balance, but mixing bias with balance is not good for the game.

"To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon

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Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:15:00 - [1] - Quote Slow-mos and freeze-frames to show YOU just how ridiculous this gun is! https://youtu.be/bIs7fCFiQwA Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 6	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:22:00 - [2] - Quote What!!!! It can't be!!! It's total balance since it has AA like every other gun. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:26:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: What!!!! It can't be!!! It's total balance since it has AA like every other gun. There is no way you can convince me that at 1:03 something fishy ain't going on. Or at least at 3:25, lol. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Spankdamonke The Unsung Heroes 84	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:33:00 - [4] - Quote It's an apocalypse you can hold in your hand! Those headshots though
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:36:00 - [5] - Quote Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:38:00 - [6] - Quote How did that heavy @ 1:24 in the LAV not die? Dust is full of miracles lol. Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:43:00 - [7] - Quote Apparently as a 'balancing feature' all pistols recieve much stronger bullet magnetism than things like rifles. Try hipfiring an ion or scrambler pistol sometime, they're both lethal. Also, I thought you publically announced that you had ragequit cause you're a whiny baby. About 1:04, while injecting someone does have its own animation - I suspect the game is actually just making your hitbox crouch rather than moving and twisting it wildly. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
deezy dabest 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:46:00 - [8] - Quote Nice editing. I wondered if they had fixed this any since it was so bad on release. I have yet to figure out why we have so many sidearms that really out shine most of the light weapons.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:47:00 - [9] - Quote This is why I now put a bolt pistol on my logi. The ability to take on sentinels + range + low fitting cost is just nice. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:48:00 - [10] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Apparently as a 'balancing feature' all pistols recieve much stronger bullet magnetism than things like rifles. Try hipfiring an ion or scrambler pistol sometime, they're both lethal. You see my NF 1v1 video where I fought against Kain Spero with a CreoDron Ion Pistol? With all Ion Pistol skills at 5 and a Prototype Gal Assault? WHEN HE HAD A BREACH FORGE GUN? Ion pistol can't hit a stationary target, yo. Mina Longstrike wrote: Also, I thought you publically announced that you had ragequit cause you're a whiny baby. Oooooh, I see, you just came in here to troll. Carry on, then. Mina Longstrike wrote: About 1:04, while injecting someone does have its own animation - I suspect the game is actually just making your hitbox crouch rather than moving and twisting it wildly. Couldn't -POSSIBLY- be that the Bolt Pistol is just screwy, oh no. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:56:00 - [11] - Quote Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact. There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things. Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:59:00 - [12] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact. There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things. Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). Please explain why I should listen to anything you have to say considering the way you approach me in literally every thread. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:03:00 - [13] - Quote Because I like to present and deal in facts and hard numbers. They are surprisingly more reliable than kneejerks and feelings. I know that dealing with facts is an uncomfortable proposition for you, as it tends to disrupt or diminish whatever asinine narrative you're trying to spew, but maybe you should try it for a bit, you might earn yourself a bit more respect. Or you can just throw another tantrum when you don't win CPM this year either. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:06:00 - [14] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Because I like to present and deal in facts and hard numbers. They are surprisingly more reliable than kneejerks and feelings. I know that dealing with facts is an uncomfortable proposition for you, as it tends to disrupt or diminish whatever asinine narrative you're trying to spew, but maybe you should try it for a bit, you might earn yourself a bit more respect. Or you can just throw another tantrum when you don't win CPM this year either. I'm pretty sure hardcore video evidence with slow motion and freeze frames is about as much evidence as one really needs to see that something fishy is going on, and there are a few other videos that showed similar to this. Did you come in here to debate the Bolt Pistol or to try and antagonize me? Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:13:00 - [15] - Quote Ah yes, lets play the "I'm going to ignore what you said and continue to repeat my bullshit" game. Let us re-whine to what I previously explained: as a balancing feature pistols apparently have much stronger bullet magnetism than other weapons, furthermore things that you see or perceive may not always be accurate to how the server is processing them ie hitting when it looks like you missed, or missing when it looks like you hit - because while you are seeing that, it is ultimately the server that has final say... and the server said it was a hit/miss. This can be attributed to a number of things, from a bad connection on your end, to things like server lag, low FPS or even a full cache that causes the game to play more like a slideshow. As an example, I see people get 'hit' by laser rifles all the time, or walk through lines of fire that should hit them... but because of the magic of strafing and other such nonsense, people are free to perform idiotic dances through gunfire as they please. But obviously your explanation/experience is the only correct one (as we all knew you'd assume it to be) so any contradicting opinion or information must be met with whining or hostility. Please quit the game again. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:15:00 - [16] - Quote Mina, Aeon brought a video showing Bolt Pistol's hit detection doing some absurd things. You claim that all pistols do that without any proof, and then claim that Aeon is the emotional knee jerk guy and that you like to deal in data. If you did deal in data and data alone, you would create your own proof instead of saying "Guys believe me, every weapon is the same. It's fact.". "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:21:00 - [17] - Quote Mina Longstrike wrote: Ah yes, lets play the "I'm going to ignore what you said and continue to repeat my bullshit" game. Let us re-whine to what I previously ex Stopped reading right about here. Thank you for your time, Mina. This conversation went about as well as expected. I'll be hiding your posts now because you show a complete inability to be civil despite numerous requests. Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
4lbert Wesker Mithril Forge E-R-A 240	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:26:00 - [18] - Quote So many jumpers in this match... Public skirmish = camping games, Public domination = officer sniping games, Public ambush = russian roulette
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:29:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mina, Aeon brought a video showing Bolt Pistol's hit detection doing some absurd things. You claim that all pistols do that without any proof, and then claim that Aeon is the emotional knee jerk guy and that you like to deal in data. If you did deal in data and data alone, you would create your own proof instead of saying "Guys believe me, every weapon is the same. It's fact.". Yes cat merc I do get what you're going with here. But my source is a hard to relocate dev statement from long ago. There are plenty of valid explanations for what is going on, including the possibility of aeon being correct. What I am saying though is that I firmly believe that Aeon is falling prey to the fallacy of small numbers or attributing the bolt pistols apparent over-performance incorrectly. Strong pistol magnetism is apparently a very common thing and I think he should ~~probably~~ definitely test it far more and with other weapons rather than try to present a very brief cross-section of gameplay as the end-all of proof(s). Remember that absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:15:00 - [20] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mina Longstrike wrote: Apparently as a 'balancing feature' all pistols recieve much stronger bullet magnetism than things like rifles. Try hipfiring an ion or scrambler pistol sometime, they're both lethal. You see my NF 1v1 video where I fought against Kain Spero with a CreoDron Ion Pistol? With all Ion Pistol skills at 5 and a Prototype Gal Assault? WHEN HE HAD A BREACH FORGE GUN? Ion pistol can't hit a stationary target, yo. Mina Longstrike wrote: Also, I thought you publically announced that you had ragequit cause you're a whiny baby. Oooooh, I see, you just came in here to troll. Carry on, then. Mina Longstrike wrote: About 1:04, while injecting someone does have its own animation - I suspect the game is actually just making your hitbox crouch rather than moving and twisting it wildly. Couldn't -POSSIBLY- be that the Bolt Pistol is just screwy, oh no. Your duels were friendly fire NO AA.. so it's pretty biased to claim that's a factor with Ion Pistol accuracy. I am not denying the Bolt Pistol needing work, but when it's stated like this.. I just see, nerf you, buff me!!! Bolt Pistols are not much better without AA, so maybe that is the real problem???

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:18:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face
Aeon Amadi Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:32:00 - [22] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face Other than Gallente role-players, how many people do you honestly see use Ion Pistols? Ever wonder why? Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
Akamandon Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:35:00 - [23] - Quote Hmm interesting, there was a few times where you clearly missed, you even had the animation of the bullet hitting the ground or wall but the red berrys still took damage or died. Does that mean that bolt pistol bullets pass through bodies, if I line it up right can I get two kills in one shot lol I have done that with a kalakota forge gun once.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.06.18 11:55:00 - [24] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face Other than Gallente role-players, how many people do you honestly see use Ion Pistols? Ever wonder why? Well I have prof.4, sharpshooter 5, so there is one Ion Pistol is a superior CQC Assault ScP, high rapid fire, with a charge shot that makes the BP seem balanced, don't get me wrong, I am well aware the BP is too good I got it to prof5 before they buffed it when it was decent already, after that it became a monster, I agree 100% on that. After getting bored of listening to QQ, I skilled other sidearms.. One of which being the Ion Pistol and it is just as deadly, although close range, but it makes up for that.. ever tried to out strafe one??? You have little to no chance, where a BP can miss easily. I have no issue with balance, but mixing bias with balance is not good for the game.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 3	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:01:00 - [25] - Quote ^Underrepresented doesn't mean underpowered either. The Ion pistol is a good sidearm, unfortunately there are some issues with other sidearms being way too generally applicable (the entire SMG lineup) or being 'quirky' (flaylock & magsec). Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 4	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:03:00 - [26] - Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect MGS <3 Shaman's Shack - A place to trade
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:06:00 - [27] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: What!!!! It can't be!!! It's total balance since it has AA like every other gun. IIRC, Aim Assist adhesion and magnetism can be tuned on a weapon-by-weapon basis. Bolt Pistol AA feels like it might be set a 'bit higher than that of other weapons. Note: Proficiency 5 Bolt Pistol; my favorite sidearm nexts to knives. Another Note: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, Aeon would be explained to all of us why it is so well balanced. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Dreis ShadowWeaver 0uter.Heaven 4	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:09:00 - [28] - Quote I think that was the funniest DUST related video I've ever seen! Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:26:00 - [29] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face While the 95% figure is a joke, it's still the most infuriating pistol to use right now. You can have perfect accuracy and be well within the optimal range, have max sharpshooter skill and max Gallente Assault skill, and STILL miss a target with hip fire on a CQC weapon. (Ya know, where you would use hip fire) Look at all the bonuses I have packed into it, reducing the spread by 50%, and think that I still don't get the accuracy that other pistols get built in. Now wonder why I think the Ion Pistol is crappy. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:28:00 - [30] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face Other than Gallente role-players, how many people do you honestly see use Ion Pistols? Ever wonder why? Well I have prof.4, sharpshooter 5, so there is one Ion Pistol is a superior CQC Assault ScP, high rapid fire, with a charge shot that makes the BP seem balanced, don't get me wrong, I am well aware the BP is too good I got it to prof5 before they buffed it when it was decent already, after that it became a monster, I agree 100% on that. After getting bored of listening to QQ, I skilled other sidearms.. One of which being the Ion Pistol and it is just as deadly, although close range, but it makes up for that.. ever tried to out strafe one??? You have little to no chance, where a BP can miss easily. I have no issue with balance, but mixing bias with balance is not good for the game. Try going for headshots with the Scrambler Pistol, basically rapid fire charge shots from the IoP. At least you CAN with it, unlike the Ion Pistol. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon



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