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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.06.18 09:43:00 -
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Apparently as a 'balancing feature' all pistols recieve much stronger bullet magnetism than things like rifles. Try hipfiring an ion or scrambler pistol sometime, they're both lethal.
Also, I thought you publically announced that you had ragequit cause you're a whiny baby.
About 1:04, while injecting someone does have its own animation - I suspect the game is actually just making your hitbox crouch rather than moving and twisting it wildly.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 09:56:00 -
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Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact.
There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things.
Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive).
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 10:03:00 -
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Because I like to present and deal in facts and hard numbers. They are surprisingly more reliable than kneejerks and feelings.
I know that dealing with facts is an uncomfortable proposition for you, as it tends to disrupt or diminish whatever asinine narrative you're trying to spew, but maybe you should try it for a bit, you might earn yourself a bit more respect. Or you can just throw another tantrum when you don't win CPM this year either.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 10:13:00 -
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Ah yes, lets play the "I'm going to ignore what you said and continue to repeat my bullshit" game.
Let us re-whine to what I previously explained: as a balancing feature pistols apparently have much stronger bullet magnetism than other weapons, furthermore things that you see or perceive may not always be accurate to how the server is processing them ie hitting when it looks like you missed, or missing when it looks like you hit - because while you are seeing that, it is ultimately the server that has final say... and the server said it was a hit/miss. This can be attributed to a number of things, from a bad connection on your end, to things like server lag, low FPS or even a full cache that causes the game to play more like a slideshow.
As an example, I see people get 'hit' by laser rifles all the time, or walk through lines of fire that should hit them... but because of the magic of strafing and other such nonsense, people are free to perform idiotic dances through gunfire as they please.
But obviously your explanation/experience is the only correct one (as we all knew you'd assume it to be) so any contradicting opinion or information must be met with whining or hostility. Please quit the game again.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 10:29:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Mina, Aeon brought a video showing Bolt Pistol's hit detection doing some absurd things.
You claim that all pistols do that without any proof, and then claim that Aeon is the emotional knee jerk guy and that you like to deal in data.
If you did deal in data and data alone, you would create your own proof instead of saying "Guys believe me, every weapon is the same. It's fact.".
Yes cat merc I do get what you're going with here. But my source is a hard to relocate dev statement from long ago. There are plenty of valid explanations for what is going on, including the possibility of aeon being correct. What I *am* saying though is that I firmly believe that Aeon is falling prey to the fallacy of small numbers or attributing the bolt pistols apparent over-performance incorrectly. Strong pistol magnetism is apparently a very common thing and I think he should probably definitely test it far more and with other weapons rather than try to present a very brief cross-section of gameplay as the end-all of proof(s).
Remember that absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 12:01:00 -
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^Underrepresented doesn't mean underpowered either.
The Ion pistol is a *good* sidearm, unfortunately there are some issues with other sidearms being way too generally applicable (the entire SMG lineup) or being 'quirky' (flaylock & magsec).
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:19:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact.
There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things.
Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). I don't like you.
I'm not here to make friends with people who have storied histories of throwing tantrums and being whiny babies.
Now to paraphrase amadi's 'points'
Aeon Amadi wrote:
1)"Assaults aren't viable as slayers and commando's are infringing upon them"
2)"Ar's aren't good enough, ESPECIALLY in the hands of a gal assault"
3)"Gallogi's are underpowered! they need to earn more warpoints especially when passive scans are considered"
4)"Breach AR's aren't good enough! they need to be good like the rail rifle!"
5)"Ion pistols aren't good enough it needs to be used more!"
6)"Caldari bolt pistols are too good! they need to be worse!"
7)"shields aren't good enough but armor isn't as overpowered as people make it out to be"
1) Roughly 100k assault suits are purchased every day, they have either some of the best stats or the second best stats in almost every area that matters - INCLUDING their ability to regenerate hp and their weapon performance buffs are no joke - yes even the gallente and caldari's. Commando's are in no way 'infringing' upon the suit with the highest slot counts and weapon performance buffs - especially when assaults are also usually putting out comparable damage amounts. This point is a misrepresentation of the reality.
2) The damage / range curve is off, but you're insane if you think that they need to be even better than they are in the hands of a gal assault. The gal assault bonus is underappreciated but amazing.
3) Gallogi's underpowered? Hah. Being able to keep entire enemy teams scanned from 200m's away is not underpowered at all. Yes it can be marginally harder to earn warpoints with them than say the minlogi (or maybe a lucky amarr logi), but they are still quite useful and good to the point where they are well represented in the 'competitive' meta. Passive scans were neutered so badly that often logi's do it better than scouts. If you want to talk truly underpowered, lets talk about the callogi with its 3 equip slots at proto and arbitrary loss of ~50 cpu compared to the gal logi and the fact that *everyone* can pack around 6-9 nanohives nowadays.
4) Are you prepared to have rail rifle level kick? Once again, dps/range curve is off but if you want rail rifle performance you'd better be willing to accept rail rifle drawbacks (maybe even worse because that gal assault bonus is so damn good).
5) Underrepresented doesn't equal bad. The ion pistol is quite a robust sidearm.
6) This is really more of an opinion than anything. Yes magnetism could be toned down but as said earlier, high magnetism is a feature of pistols - do a lot more testing, with all types of pistols.
7) Proportional damage / healthpools is a thing, as not all HP is built equally (otherwise we'd have armor and only armor). Gal and Amarr suits running triple damage mods (which IS common) can hit ~900-1150 dps against shields before warbarge modifiers these weapons have largely been balanced to be competitive in an armor meta and absolutely wreck shields. Armor may in fact not be overpowered, but it is and has been ubiquitous for forever. The biggest thing that might 'fix' shields in my unprofessional opinion is an inhibition value that you must 'beat' in order to stop shields from recharging - no 1 damage bullets stopping recharge.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:33:00 -
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Oh come on. It's more like "Adipem and Mina tell Aeon he's being an idiot again and he gets buttflustered and offended"
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:35:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Anyway, school is finally done, and I don't want to waste my first day of summer vacation on the forums.
o7
Have fun catmerc. Do something interesting.
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Mina Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:41:00 -
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I'd also like to chime in with the fact that I didn't deny or dismiss aeons claim. I merely provided additional reasoning for why his perceptions might not be entirely accurate. I didn't even make the claim that it was 'fine' or 'working as intended'. I did highlight that hitscan pistols may have stronger magnetism as a feature of the weapon class in general though, but that is neither an affirmation of things working as intended nor a denial of the weapon being... quirky.
So yay for no doublespeak on my part. Just pushing the buttons of a person who only sees things one way usually based entirely on initial perceptions and gut feelings.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:52:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:You all saw it ladies in gentleman. There's proof that I took back my words on the Breach AR after a week or two of debating and wanted to change it and here Adipem is ignoring that.
One, if he does admit that he will bring another attack routing around to something around the area of my being wrong which discredits anything I have to say. Because normal human beings couldn't possibly be wrong about something.
Or he will just continue to ignore it as you see here.
Either way, he'll try to shift you opinion on his court.
Lets see which path he takes!
It's almost like a text based game because you know what he'll do. I have one last surprise that I know he'll do.
My Adipem Strategy guide is never wrong.
I'm amused by your belief that "we can't judge you based on things you've said/done in the past" nor use those things as a basis for future expectations because you've "turned a new leaf and dealt with your anger issues".
It's funny cause it's largely you going "So what if i occasionally have ridiculous double standards and maintain my position on them for weeks/months; usually until everyone stops listening to me and it's clear that I was wrong... so to save face I'll recant my position and pretend like I never took that position in the first place".
If you're truly going to have a biased position, stick to your convictions... if you end up having both a demonstrably bad and biased opinion you'll be ignored (like SPKR & Taka). If you don't want to be labeled as biased try being more open and receptive to things right from the start... particularly actual information rather than just 'feelings'.
Point in case: KDR was posted for all suits, people notice that caldari seem unusually high up on the list... I ask for more information because I don't think that KDR is entirely accurate as a sole point of data, but even then I hypothesize reasons for why caldari suits might be so high up in their KDR (a tendency towards long range weaponry for most, and core locus & nanohives for the callogi).
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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