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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance?  Even when HAVs were at their very worst, I don't think that Spkr (or Taki) ever conceded that there might actually be a problem.
True.
You are better than Spkr or Taki 
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Aeon Amadi
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Renaming the thread now.
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Cat Merc
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Renaming the thread now.
*Mortal Kombat music*
FIGHT!!!
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:33:00 -
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Oh come on. It's more like "Adipem and Mina tell Aeon he's being an idiot again and he gets buttflustered and offended"
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Aeon Amadi
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Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Renaming the thread now. *Mortal Kombat music* FIGHT!!!
Actually, speaking of which, I remember seeing Kain Spero use a Gallente Sentinel in the NF 1v1 matches when we played the Mortal Kombat theme to each duel....
KAIN SPERO CONFIRMED FOR TEAM GREEN - GALLENTE ARE THE REASON FOR LEGION
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:34:00 -
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Anyway, school is finally done, and I don't want to waste my first day of summer vacation on the forums.
o7
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:35:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance? Even when HAVs were at their very worst, I don't think that Spkr (or Taki) ever conceded that there might actually be a problem. True. You are better than Spkr or Taka
These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"?
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Aeon Amadi
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Cat Merc wrote:Anyway, school is finally done, and I don't want to waste my first day of summer vacation on the forums.
o7
Peace bro. Have sweet dreams of liberty and OP everything.
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Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Renaming the thread now. *Mortal Kombat music* FIGHT!!!
Does this mean I don't have to hold back anymore???
Regnyum for CPM. He will bang your wife, He will eat your children. He will save DUST%!$.
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MINA Longstrike
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Cat Merc wrote:Anyway, school is finally done, and I don't want to waste my first day of summer vacation on the forums.
o7
Have fun catmerc. Do something interesting.
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Cat Merc
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"?
Alright, since this is such a simple and repeated question since the dawn of the forums, I'll answer it, and THEN go.
It's because they were the only general purpose weapons.
Do you see everybody running around with shotguns? Snipers?
They are situational, which means they're optimal for one or two things.
If you present a general purpose weapon, even if it's not optimal everywhere, people would still use it because they can use it everywhere.
Alright, off I go o7
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Varoth Drac
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself."Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Yeah, that was hyperbole, my mistake. However.... What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites.
This is prety unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.
Also, it's pretty silly to claim that Min and Am scouts were the favourites. Isn't it natural to propose buffs to underpowered suits and/or nerfs to overpowered suits? Doesn't mean the underpowered ones are your favourite.
To address the OP, I don't think your video shows problems as clearly as you think. The 1.03 headshot is off, but it could be due to the reason Mina stated.
However i'm not saying I think you are completely wrong. Perhaps assist on bolt pistols should be toned down a bit. It would be interesting to see it compared to other pistols.
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Aeon Amadi
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"?
Back before I was converted to "Team Green" and started being all bias and stuff
-Sniffle- Those were the best of times! Such nostalgia!!
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Here you make so much sense. A few months later, you're on the other side of the argument. Boggles the mind.
Edit: March 2013 was pre-Uprising. Did you switch to AR with Uprising 1.0?
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Sgt Kirk
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Oh look, Adipem is once again letting my name slip out of his Ad hominin mouth again.
You ignore evidence that doesn't fit your argument anyway so I dont know why I'm trying.
You've obviously dug through my history looking for things, once again. Why dont you go and find the post where I wanted the breach AR repurposed. Why dont you go and find the era of Bricked tanked Gallente scout and where I complained about them, Duvolle TAR era, the list can go on. No, lets ignore all that. Lets ignore when the Laser was clearly OP. Lets ignore when the Rail and Combat rifle first came out, or when both Dropships ruled the world or when explosive spam was the only viable way of killing people. List goes on but for the sake of your argument we will only focus on "them" is when they talk about nerfing something that's Caldari. *Gasp* how dare they? How dare they even consider not discriminating against racial weapons.
As a did before, it's pretty clear you guys have some sort us childish "us vs them" mentality especially when you guys call us "Team Gallente" when it comes to balancing things.
I guess by your logic I can be called team Amarr too because they need more assets in the game and back then their weapons sucked as bad as ours did.
You and your character is nothing new to me. Since the game started when Shields were the best option there were people that still cried whenever I said their favorite toy or race was OP. Especially when I said Dual Tanking should not be as effective as it is but then people claimed it was because I was a vehicle guy and not an infantry man, even though was pretty obvious I play mostly assault.
You always want to bring up race when it comes to this but its pretty damn clear when we talk about things that aren't Gallente or Caldari no one ever says a thing about bias but the second we make a thread about Gallente or Caldari its suddenly," you and your friends only want x for y. "
I honestly have no time for this absurdly childish banter today, only having one day off this week. Just popping in because my name came out of your mouth again with false acquisitions with cherry picked information you love so much. Feel free to go back to arguing with ad homs against the other "Team Gallente". Enjoy those cherrys.
>>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<"
This is very true and it works both ways.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2015.06.18 15:22:00 -
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Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience?
Don't waste your time brother.
Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion.
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Aeon Amadi
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Here you make so much sense. A few months later, you're on the other side of the argument. Boggles the mind. Edit: March 2013 was pre-Uprising. Did you switch to AR with Uprising 1.0?
A few months later they knocked the AR down to 40m with no fall-off..............
Uprising 1.0 was released on May 14th. I never "switched" to AR, I always used the AR. I used to run a Cal Assault with quad armor reppers because I could repair -through- the damage I was taking from other combatants due to lack of aim assist and the fact that the plates didn't weigh me down so much that I couldn't strafe. I was running "Gallente Assault" before it was available. Only reason I ever went Gallente Scout with a Shotgun was because the Gallente Assault wasn't available and I had a IRL friend - Havlok Baldruf, if you really care to actually look instead of making more assumptions about me - who ran the same thing. We got an insane amount of joy working the outside objectives and, in his words, "Tapping bro's in the back of the dome with a scattering of plasma".
You're so eager to try and find evidence of my "bias" that you're actually assuming that I "switched", that it "boggles the mind" that I'd be on the "other side of the argument". Did you ever stop and think, "HOLY CRAP, MAYBE HE'S NOT BIAS?!"
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Aeon Amadi
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One Eyed King wrote:Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience?
Don't waste your time brother.
Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion.
Oh you're one to talk  :lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:]:lol:] Design a Skin Challenge POLL (Vote Now!)
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One Eyed King
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One Eyed King wrote:Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience?
Don't waste your time brother.
Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion.
I picked this fight by calling out Aeon. Aeon's concerns about Bolt Pistol aim assist very likely have merit, and I think his video does a good job at demonstrating those concerns. I only wish he were so thorough when addressing all instances of imbalance.
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Aeon Amadi
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Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience?
Don't waste your time brother.
Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. I picked this fight by calling out Aeon. Aeon's concerns about Bolt Pistol aim assist very likely have merit, and I think his video does a good job at demonstrating those concerns. I only wish he were so thorough when addressing all instances of imbalance.
I am. You just don't see it because you're so freaggin quick on the Ad Hominem trigger and the "Team Green Bias" button.
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Aeon Amadi
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Or did you forget I have
-TWO ENTIRE YOUTUBE CHANNELS-
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience?
Don't waste your time brother.
Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. I picked this fight by calling out Aeon. Aeon's concerns about Bolt Pistol aim assist very likely have merit, and I think his video does a good job at demonstrating those concerns. I only wish he were so thorough when addressing all instances of imbalance. I am. You just don't see it because you're so freaggin quick on the Ad Hominem trigger and the "Team Green Bias" button.
If this were true, you would've been allover the pre-nerf Breach AR rather than all about making excuses for it. Same with low-slot diversity / brick meta. Same with GalLogi scans. Same with Assault utilization and efficiency rates.
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Varoth Drac
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Sgt Kirk wrote:>>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<"
This is very true and it works both ways.
Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes.
Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it.
I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions.
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Aeon Amadi
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Shotty, ever hear of the truism of never arguing with certain types of people because they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience?
Don't waste your time brother.
Some people want a fight and not an honest discussion. I picked this fight by calling out Aeon. Aeon's concerns about Bolt Pistol aim assist very likely have merit, and I think his video does a good job at demonstrating those concerns. I only wish he were so thorough when addressing all instances of imbalance. I am. You just don't see it because you're so freaggin quick on the Ad Hominem trigger and the "Team Green Bias" button. If this were true, you would've been allover the pre-nerf Breach AR rather than all about making excuses for it. Same with low-slot diversity / brick meta. Same with GalLogi scans. Same with Assault utilization and efficiency rates.
Oh god ******* damn it, whatever dude, you win, as always. You've trolled your way, like a pigeon playing chess and crapping all over the board, into yet another victory just because I don't have the time or the patience to sit here and try and convince your or change your mind that you don't know a -******* thing about me-.
Posts hidden. Go talk to Mina or something.
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Varoth Drac wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:>>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<"
This is very true and it works both ways.
Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions.
Oh no, I'm not saying you were at all.
I was just agreeing with your statement then started talking about those two again.
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Varoth Drac
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:>>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<"
This is very true and it works both ways.
Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions. Oh no, I'm not saying you were at all. I was just agreeing with your statement then started talking about those two again.
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Aeon Amadi
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:>>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<"
This is very true and it works both ways.
Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions. Oh no, I'm not saying you were at all. I was just agreeing with your statement then started talking about those two again.
Who cares? Dude got what he wanted. Trolled his way right onto the block list. We'll just meander on about how OP everything Caldari is and how UP everything Gallente is.
You notice he never once addressed the list I made right? Never once brought up any of his own proposals for it - just went straight into trolling again with all the Adipem Hominem and Bias he could muster. Dude can't argue and can't make proposals unless it has something to do with Scouts being nerfed but he'd just as quickly forget there's a discussion going on to try and change the way people think about you because it's the only way he can get out of a conversation he doesn't have total control over.
Hilarious.
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:>>"This is pretty unfair. People being worried that some suggested nerfs would be going too far, doesn't mean they weren't advocating nerfs. Particularly considering CCP tend to overdo nerfs and buffs.<<"
This is very true and it works both ways.
Cognitive Bias is once again the word for today. This message has been brought to you by the Tunnel Snakes. Just to be clear, I am in no way involved with Adipem's comments about "Team Gallente" or anything like that. I'm not accusing anyone of bias and don't want to be dragged into it. I was purely commenting on the history of scout balancing discussions. Oh no, I'm not saying you were at all. I was just agreeing with your statement then started talking about those two again. Who cares? Dude got what he wanted. Trolled his way right onto the block list. We'll just meander on about how OP everything Caldari is and how UP everything Gallente is. You notice he never once addressed the list I made right? Never once brought up any of his own proposals for it - just went straight into trolling again with all the Adipem Hominem and Bias he could muster. Dude can't argue and can't make proposals unless it has something to do with Scouts being nerfed but he'd just as quickly forget there's a discussion going on to try and change the way people think about you because it's the only way he can get out of a conversation he doesn't have total control over. Hilarious.
No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente.
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Adipem Nothi wrote:No idea what you're talking about. Your post was originally about Bolt Pistol aim assist. I agree with you -- for the 4th time now -- that we should fix it. My point is that we should also other broken things. Even if those other things are Gallente.
I don't really feel that Aeon is all that biased TBH. There have been times when he's advocated for a nerf of Gallente tech before.
Either way, this thread WAS about the Bolt Pistol. Aeon's video shows how extreme the AA or magnetism is on this weapon. It's clear to the average observer that the Bolt Pistol needs fixing; not just because it's Caldari. I don't think this is part of Aeon's 'Team Green' agenda. The Bolt Pistol is clearly overpowered anyway.
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