DUST Search - [Video] Polt Bistol is just ridiculous...

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently.

If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them.

See how baseless this argument is?

If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming.

I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ("it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity.

When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!"

"To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon


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Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 09:36:00 - [1] - Quote Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 10:15:00 - [2] - Quote Mina, Aeon brought a video showing Bolt Pistol's hit detection doing some absurd things. You claim that all pistols do that without any proof, and then claim that Aeon is the emotional knee jerk guy and that you like to deal in data. If you did deal in data and data alone, you would create your own proof instead of saying "Guys believe me, every weapon is the same. It's fact.". "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:26:00 - [3] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face While the 95% figure is a joke, it's still the most infuriating pistol to use right now. You can have perfect accuracy and be well within the optimal range, have max sharpshooter skill and max Gallente Assault skill, and STILL miss a target with hip fire on a CQC weapon. (Ya know, where you would use hip fire) Look at all the bonuses I have packed into it, reducing the spread by 50%, and think that I still don't get the accuracy that other pistols get built in. Now wonder why I think the Ion Pistol is crappy. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:28:00 - [4] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Meanwhile 95% of the area in my crosshair is covered by the enemy. My Ion Pistol still misses. C'mon.. how many mercs in FW have seen your feline ass jump shot them with a weapon that 'still misses'?? It must be terrible if you can charge, jump and shoot them in the face Other than Gallente role-players, how many people do you honestly see use Ion Pistols? Ever wonder why? Well I have prof.4, sharpshooter 5, so there is one Ion Pistol is a superior CQC Assault ScP, high rapid fire, with a charge shot that makes the BP seem balanced, don't get me wrong, I am well aware the BP is too good I got it to prof5 before they buffed it when it was decent already, after that it became a monster, I agree 100% on that. After getting bored of listening to QQ, I skilled other sidearms.. One of which being the Ion Pistol and it is just as deadly, although close range, but it makes up for that.. ever tried to out strafe one??? You have little to no chance, where a BP can miss easily. I have no issue with balance, but mixing bias with balance is not good for the game. Try going for headshots with the Scrambler Pistol, basically rapid fire charge shots from the IoP. At least you CAN with it, unlike the Ion Pistol. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 12:29:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently. If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:32:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently. If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ("it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!" Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself. Instead, you waited until a dev said something suggesting a nerf, and then looked how to make it softer. This made what should have been 1-2 cycles of nerfs into far more. The funny thing is, for the past I don't know how long, Gallente weapons and gear? Yeah, all of them sucked, and math always backed me up. So I never had a chance to advocate a nerf, because math said it's wrong. I have yet to see a single shield user come forth and do the same thing me and Arkena did for armor as an example, building that giant mega thread making it very clear what was wrong with armor. Once someone does it, maybe I'll see the reason, but for now I really don't, and I looked. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 13:34:00 - [7] - Quote Adipem ad hominem is a lovely thing and I expect a lot of it. Don't disappoint me Adipem. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:13:00 - [8] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Nonsense. HF Alpha Rattati arrived on the scene and pitched Scout nerfs (rightfully so). I recommended we instead we immediately fix fire-from-cloak and buff Assaults to make them better slayers than HP-tanked Scouts. (In hindsight, we probably should've done both simultaneously.) Yes, he had a proposal which ended up being rejected and replaced with a more gentle nerf that clearly wasn't enough. Adipem Nothi wrote: HF Bravo IIRC, this one was focused more on V/AV than infantry. During HF Bravo, Gal and Cal Scout populations remained too high. The Barbershop and I put together proposal for HF Charlie which would directly nerf Gallente and Caldari Scouts. Rattati caught wind of it and reworked the proposal into something of his own. Don't think that counts, considering the Amarr and Min have scouts, and you wanted to nerf the Gal/Cal scouts to put them in line with the other scouts. Concern about scouts vs other suits was secondary until brought up by other people. Adipem Nothi wrote: HF Charlie During HF Charlie, the Scout Class attained Racial Parity for the first time ever. Scout populations, however, remained too high. From that point forward, the Barbershop and I concocted, proposed and pitched to Rattati nerf after nerf to (1) decrease Scout kill/spawn efficiency and (2) decrease Scout utilization rates and (3) encourage slayers to migrate from HP-tanked Scouts to to Assaults. These included: * Increased plate penalties for Scouts * Efficacy bonuses to EWAR modules vs flat bonuses to base statistics * Cloakblind (Haerr came up with the idea in the Barbershop; most of us supported it) * Increased decloak delay * Various changes to scan mechanics (including the removal of passive scan directional arrow) The record is very clear. The Barbershop and I recognized Scout overperformance for what it was, and we took the lead in getting Scouts nerfed. No one dislike FoTM Scouts more than us. Yeah, no. While you indeed came up with ideas for nerfs, which is all good and well - though directs the nerfs into places you want, you still were looking into gentle nerfs. As an example, with the decloak delay, Rattati proposed 1.2 seconds for decloak delay. I distinctly remember you guys being worried and suggesting to start with 0.5 seconds (not exact number, don't remember what you were suggesting to reduce it to). That's basically how you guys went about everything, looking for the gentlest nerfs possible if it's within your liking (EWAR, Speed, etc'), and harsh nerfs if it's something you didn't like (Brick, Gal/Cal scouts). I'll give you this: You're far better than the rest of the forums, but that doesn't set the bar high, considering I've seen people suggest switching Assault and Scout speeds as well as removing all weapons and grenade slots from logis. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:15:00 - [9] - Quote Pssst: Arkena is writing a shield thread to list the problems and possible solutions with shields, similar to what we did to armor back in early Uprising. So there's that "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:20:00 - [10] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Stuff Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself." Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Yeah, that was hyperbole, my mistake. However.... What I should have said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon

Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:24:00 - [11] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Stuff Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself." Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Never? Did I say never? If so, that was hyperbole. If not, great strawman. What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. You literally just said it. It is right here in Post #38. Feel free to edit it out :-) Why would I edit it out? I don't edit out my mistakes. (Unless grammar, or wanting to make my point more clear) Dunno how you operate However, as I said, what I intended was "mostly", and never was hyperbole on my part. "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:27:00 - [12] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance? "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:28:00 - [13] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dunno how you operate Post above edited. Started editing before you posted since I scrolled up and saw that. I knew you'd get hung up on it, made it clearer. As I said, if I can make something clearer, I do "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:30:00 - [14] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance? Even when HAVs were at their very worst, I don't think that Spkr (or Taki) ever conceded that there might actually be a problem. True. You are better than Spkr or Taki "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:32:00 - [15] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Renaming the thread now. Mortal Kombat music FIGHT!!! "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:34:00 - [16] - Quote Anyway, school is finally done, and I don't want to waste my first day of summer vacation on the forums. o7 "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 17	Posted - 2015.06.18 14:39:00 - [17] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: These are special cases, no doubt, but how far removed are they from those who defended ARs when 80% of every killfeed of every match read "Assault Rifle"? Alright, since this is such a simple and repeated question since the dawn of the forums, I'll answer it, and THEN go. It's because they were the only general purpose weapons. Do you see everybody running around with shotguns? Snipers? They are situational, which means they're optimal for one or two things. If you present a general purpose weapon, even if it's not optimal everywhere, people would still use it because they can use it everywhere. Alright, off I go o7 "To find out if they consent, poke the giant boobs. If they jiggle once, that means no. If twice, that means yes" - Anon