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Adipem Nothi wrote:
PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently.
If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them.
See how baseless this argument is?
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Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently.
If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is?
If this thread were about Scouts following 1.8, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations for each and every race. Especially the ones I use. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming.
I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ("it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity.
When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable HP tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!"
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Aeon Amadi
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently.
If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ( "it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!"
-Rubs forehead as Adipem tries to make this a racial thing again-
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently.
If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ( "it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!" -Rubs forehead as Adipem tries to make this a racial thing again-
I'm with you 100%, Aeon. Let's tune down Bolt Pistol Aim Assist. Let's also work on that Magsec, eh? And while we're out balancing imbalanced things, let's also tune down Armor and tune down Assaults.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.06.18 13:19:00 -
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Let's just ignore the fact that I was landing ungodly and impossible headshots and landing impossible hits that the video clearly shows -were no where near the target-. Let's just automatically assume that this is Aeon Amadi and "Team Green" trying to nerf a Bolt Pistol because it is Caldari.
Let's just assume, like every other time, that someone is being bias instead of presenting evidence at face value based on initial interpretations with clear, concise, and irrefutable evidence provided.
Because when you have absolutely no argument to defeat the evidence and data presented the only thing you can do is make a ham-fisted attempt that the person presenting the evidence is somehow wrong based on something that has -absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter at hand-.
I mean, let's face it, if I ran Caldari -FROM NOW ON- it wouldn't change a thing. I'd suddenly be "That Caldari guy that has absolutely no clue of what he's talking about because he doesn't run Gallente" rather than "The dude who actually gave it an honest shot" - which sounds DISTINCTLY FAMILIAR to that one time in the barber shop when I actually tried to give Nova Knives an honest-to-god go and got flame-warred out of the thread (yanno because I don't live, breathe, and die Scouts or some BS like that).
At any rate. Carry on with the steady graduation to copper foil.
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Aeon Amadi
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently.
If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ( "it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!" -Rubs forehead as Adipem tries to make this a racial thing again- I'm with you 100%, Aeon. Let's tune down Bolt Pistol Aim Assist. Let's also work on that Magsec, eh? And while we're out balancing imbalanced things, let's also tune down Armor and tune down Assaults.
Dude, just go away. Seriously. You got what you wanted with the strafe nerf -KNOWING- that it is going to be a buff to shields despite there being at least a dozen other proposals about how to fix shields up to and including damage threshold, constant regen, regulator balancing, and HP re-adjustment on a suit-by-suit basis (no reason for Caldari to have 194 armor or Gallente to have 194 shields).
At least, for the love of all that is holy, wait for the strafe speed nerfs to hit before you start pandering your anti-armor/assault agenda even further. Can you -at least- do that? Or are you just going to turn around and say something about how I'm Gallente and I'm bias?
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's just ignore the fact that I was landing ungodly and impossible headshots and landing impossible hits that the video clearly shows -were no where near the target-. Let's just automatically assume that this is Aeon Amadi and "Team Green" trying to nerf a Bolt Pistol because it is Caldari.
Let's just assume, like every other time, that someone is being bias instead of presenting evidence at face value based on initial interpretations with clear, concise, and irrefutable evidence provided.
Because when you have absolutely no argument to defeat the evidence and data presented the only thing you can do is make a ham-fisted attempt that the person presenting the evidence is somehow wrong based on something that has -absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter at hand-.
I mean, let's face it, if I ran Caldari -FROM NOW ON- it wouldn't change a thing. I'd suddenly be "That Caldari guy that has absolutely no clue of what he's talking about because he doesn't run Gallente" rather than "The dude who actually gave it an honest shot" - which sounds DISTINCTLY FAMILIAR to that one time in the barber shop when I actually tried to give Nova Knives an honest-to-god go and got flame-warred out of the thread (yanno because I don't live, breathe, and die Scouts or some BS like that).
At any rate. Carry on with the steady graduation to copper foil.
I'm not trying to "defeat your evidence". I agree with you that something is wrong with Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist settings, and I agree with you that it should be fixed. Also, something seems to be wrong with that MagSec, right?
My point is that if the Bolt Pistol were Gallente tech (rather than Caldari), you'd be making excuses for it rather than making videos to attack it. Just like you defended and made excuses for the overpowered AR, the overpowered Breach AR, the overpowered GalLogi, and today's overly dominant "let's all stack brick" meta.
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Posted - 2015.06.18 13:32:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
PPS: If the Bolt Pistol were Gallente, bet you guys 1000AUR this thread would read differently.
If this thread was about scouts, you would be defending the crap out of them. See how baseless this argument is? If this thread were about Scouts and Scouts were OP, I'd be in here listing specific nerf recommendations. Which is exactly what I (and other Scouts) did between Uprising 1.8 and last December. Imagine that, Cat Merc. Advocating to nerf something you use (even if belongs to your favorite race) when you recognize that it is overperforming. I can't recall many instances where Team Gallente stepped up and owned their overperforming items. Can you? I recall lots and lots of defending the overpowered AR back the day. The overpowered Breach AR more recently ( "it's just doing its job"). And even now, overperforming Armor as evidenced by usage rates and a persistent and distinct lack of Low Slot Diversity. When it's Rail Weaponry or Shields on the line, Team Gallente is quick to complain. But give Dust an overpowered Assault Rifle or a favorable tank meta, and they'll defend it tooth-and-nail. "It's just doing its job!"
Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself.
Instead, you waited until a dev said something suggesting a nerf, and then looked how to make it softer.
This made what should have been 1-2 cycles of nerfs into far more.
The funny thing is, for the past I don't know how long, Gallente weapons and gear?
Yeah, all of them sucked, and math always backed me up.
So I never had a chance to advocate a nerf, because math said it's wrong. I have yet to see a single shield user come forth and do the same thing me and Arkena did for armor as an example, building that giant mega thread making it very clear what was wrong with armor.
Once someone does it, maybe I'll see the reason, but for now I really don't, and I looked.
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2015.06.18 13:34:00 -
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Adipem ad hominem is a lovely thing and I expect a lot of it.
Don't disappoint me Adipem.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.06.18 13:36:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Let's just ignore the fact that I was landing ungodly and impossible headshots and landing impossible hits that the video clearly shows -were no where near the target-. Let's just automatically assume that this is Aeon Amadi and "Team Green" trying to nerf a Bolt Pistol because it is Caldari.
Let's just assume, like every other time, that someone is being bias instead of presenting evidence at face value based on initial interpretations with clear, concise, and irrefutable evidence provided.
Because when you have absolutely no argument to defeat the evidence and data presented the only thing you can do is make a ham-fisted attempt that the person presenting the evidence is somehow wrong based on something that has -absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter at hand-.
I mean, let's face it, if I ran Caldari -FROM NOW ON- it wouldn't change a thing. I'd suddenly be "That Caldari guy that has absolutely no clue of what he's talking about because he doesn't run Gallente" rather than "The dude who actually gave it an honest shot" - which sounds DISTINCTLY FAMILIAR to that one time in the barber shop when I actually tried to give Nova Knives an honest-to-god go and got flame-warred out of the thread (yanno because I don't live, breathe, and die Scouts or some BS like that).
At any rate. Carry on with the steady graduation to copper foil. I'm not trying to "defeat your evidence". I agree with you that something is wrong with Bolt Pistol's Aim Assist settings, and I agree with you that it should be fixed. My point is that if the Bolt Pistol were Gallente tech (rather than Caldari), you'd be making excuses for it rather than making videos to attack it. Just like you defended and made excused for the overpowered AR, the overpowered Breach AR, the overpowered GalLogi, and the overly dominant "let's all stack brick" meta.
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1:05: "Its ok, brother, im here dont worry, lets die together" *hug*
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Aeon Amadi
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Alright. Fine.
**** it.
What would -YOU- do to make Assaults viable as Slayers without infringing on their chiseled and hand-crafted role that THE PLAYERS MADE when the Commando stepped in as the primary offensive role, despite coming in later?
What would -YOU- do to make put more Assault Rifles in the hands of -the Gallente Assault-?
How would -YOU- balance Gallente Logis so that they're actually WP viable and actually have a role that does not over-step OR (key freaggin word right there) become overshadowed by Scouts' passive EWAR?
What would -YOU- do to make the Breach Assault Rifle actually act like an emulation of a Rail Rifle, retaining both the higher damage that Gallente love and the range that the Rail Rifle is known for?
What would -YOU- do to make the Ion Pistol actually viable that it isn't the single least used weapon in the entire sidearm line-up?
What would -YOU- do to make the Bolt Pistol not freaggin hit things it -honest to god should not-?
What would -YOU- do to make Shields more viable since Armor is whoooooo omfg soooo scary
Because clearly I'm bias for running the things and making my opinions known on what -I'd- do to fix them, so please, chime in and take the reigns. I won't even argue your opinions or suggestions, go ahead and throw those ideas out there. This is your grand opportunity to say what you want without -ANY- response from me and what I hope will be the rest of "Team Green". Hell, I'd even ADVOCATE those changes to CCP Rattati myself - we'll give 'em a go for 60 whole days and if it works out I'll even come in here and say, "Yeah I was a bias doucher and I shouldn't have opened my mouth not ever never."
You have the floor, "Team Not-Green".
EDIT: My apologies if this isn't "CPM behavior" and all that jazz but clearly I am so bias that its even affected my ability to delegate with civility and reason when I'm getting **** on. So please, go ahead, I'm all ears.
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact.
There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things.
Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive).
I don't like you.
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Mina Longstrike wrote:Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact.
There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things.
Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive).
I don't like you.
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Ffs shotty
your becoming spkr
I want to be a caveman!
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Cat Merc wrote:
Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself.
Instead, you waited until a dev said something suggesting a nerf, and then looked how to make it softer.
Nonsense.
HF Alpha
Rattati arrived on the scene and pitched Scout nerfs (rightfully so). I recommended we instead we immediately fix fire-from-cloak and buff Assaults to make them better slayers than brick-tanked Scouts. (In hindsight, we probably should've done both simultaneously.)
HF Bravo
IIRC, this one was focused more on V/AV than infantry. During HF Bravo, Gal and Cal Scout populations remained too high. The Barbershop and I put together proposal for HF Charlie which would directly nerf Gallente and Caldari Scouts. Rattati caught wind of it and reworked the proposal into something of his own.
HF Charlie
During HF Charlie, the Scout Class attained Racial Parity for the first time ever. Scout populations, however, remained too high. From that point forward, the Barbershop and I concocted, proposed and pitched to Rattati nerf after nerf to (1) decrease Scout kill/spawn efficiency and (2) encourage slayers to migrate to Assaults. These included:
* Increased plate penalties for Scouts
* Efficacy bonuses to EWAR modules vs flat bonuses to base statistics
* Cloakblind (Haerr came up with the idea in the Barbershop; most of us supported it)
* Increased decloak delay
* Various changes to scan mechanics (including the removal of passive scan directional arrow)
The record is very clear. The Barbershop and I recognized Scout overperformance for what it was, and we took the lead in getting Scouts nerfed. No one dislike FoTM Scouts more than us.
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:05:00 -
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Bolt Pistol needs re-balancing it is that simple... and a large disagreement between us will be..
- You Armour tank with Shield weaponry
- I Shield tank with Armour weaponry
So what we find balanced is not exactly the same, from running two different playstyles..
The shots landed in this video are a clear example of AA adding too much benefit - it's not just on sidearms
Some rifles, when fired while strafing literally curve the bullets toward your target.. it is the bullet magnetism causing issue
So before anything can effectively be changed with the Bolt Pistol, Aim Assistance mechanics need looking at.
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:13:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
Nonsense.
HF Alpha
Rattati arrived on the scene and pitched Scout nerfs (rightfully so). I recommended we instead we immediately fix fire-from-cloak and buff Assaults to make them better slayers than HP-tanked Scouts. (In hindsight, we probably should've done both simultaneously.)
Yes, he had a proposal which ended up being rejected and replaced with a more gentle nerf that clearly wasn't enough.
Adipem Nothi wrote:
HF Bravo
IIRC, this one was focused more on V/AV than infantry. During HF Bravo, Gal and Cal Scout populations remained too high. The Barbershop and I put together proposal for HF Charlie which would directly nerf Gallente and Caldari Scouts. Rattati caught wind of it and reworked the proposal into something of his own.
Don't think that counts, considering the Amarr and Min have scouts, and you wanted to nerf the Gal/Cal scouts to put them in line with the other scouts.
Concern about scouts vs other suits was secondary until brought up by other people.
Adipem Nothi wrote:
HF Charlie
During HF Charlie, the Scout Class attained Racial Parity for the first time ever. Scout populations, however, remained too high. From that point forward, the Barbershop and I concocted, proposed and pitched to Rattati nerf after nerf to (1) decrease Scout kill/spawn efficiency and (2) decrease Scout utilization rates and (3) encourage slayers to migrate from HP-tanked Scouts to to Assaults. These included:
* Increased plate penalties for Scouts
* Efficacy bonuses to EWAR modules vs flat bonuses to base statistics
* Cloakblind (Haerr came up with the idea in the Barbershop; most of us supported it)
* Increased decloak delay
* Various changes to scan mechanics (including the removal of passive scan directional arrow)
The record is very clear. The Barbershop and I recognized Scout overperformance for what it was, and we took the lead in getting Scouts nerfed. No one dislike FoTM Scouts more than us.
Yeah, no.
While you indeed came up with ideas for nerfs, which is all good and well - though directs the nerfs into places you want, you still were looking into gentle nerfs.
As an example, with the decloak delay, Rattati proposed 1.2 seconds for decloak delay. I distinctly remember you guys being worried and suggesting to start with 0.5 seconds (not exact number, don't remember what you were suggesting to reduce it to).
That's basically how you guys went about everything, looking for the gentlest nerfs possible if it's within your liking (EWAR, Speed, etc'), and harsh nerfs if it's something you didn't like (Brick, Gal/Cal scouts).
I'll give you this: You're far better than the rest of the forums, but that doesn't set the bar high, considering I've seen people suggest switching Assault and Scout speeds as well as removing all weapons and grenade slots from logis.
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Pssst: Arkena is writing a shield thread to list the problems and possible solutions with shields, similar to what we did to armor back in early Uprising.
So there's that 
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Cat Merc wrote:Pssst: Arkena is writing a shield thread to list the problems and possible solutions with shields, similar to what we did to armor back in early Uprising. So there's that
Gallente Bias. Arkena doesn't understand the true woes of shield users because he is Team Green.
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Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself."
Your claim is patently and demonstrably false.
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Cat Merc wrote:Pssst: Arkena is writing a shield thread to list the problems and possible solutions with shields, similar to what we did to armor back in early Uprising. So there's that
That's good, but I wouldn't push for any major adjustments until we see what comes of the strafe speed changes.
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Mina Longstrike wrote:Calling you a whiny baby when you're being a whiny baby isn't trolling Aeon. It's highlight a fact.
There could be a lot more things going on than just 'OMG BOLT PISTOL OP'... Minor subtle stuff like ping disagreements or other things.
Furthermore it is my perception that my gal alt also pulls of an unbelievable number of charged headshots with an ion pistol that probably shouldn't have hit. But it's rather hard to convince you of anything when you so firmly believe that there is only one possible way for something to be (aka, the way you perceive). I don't like you.
I'm not here to make friends with people who have storied histories of throwing tantrums and being whiny babies.
Now to paraphrase amadi's 'points'
Aeon Amadi wrote:
1)"Assaults aren't viable as slayers and commando's are infringing upon them"
2)"Ar's aren't good enough, ESPECIALLY in the hands of a gal assault"
3)"Gallogi's are underpowered! they need to earn more warpoints especially when passive scans are considered"
4)"Breach AR's aren't good enough! they need to be good like the rail rifle!"
5)"Ion pistols aren't good enough it needs to be used more!"
6)"Caldari bolt pistols are too good! they need to be worse!"
7)"shields aren't good enough but armor isn't as overpowered as people make it out to be"
1) Roughly 100k assault suits are purchased every day, they have either some of the best stats or the second best stats in almost every area that matters - INCLUDING their ability to regenerate hp and their weapon performance buffs are no joke - yes even the gallente and caldari's. Commando's are in no way 'infringing' upon the suit with the highest slot counts and weapon performance buffs - especially when assaults are also usually putting out comparable damage amounts. This point is a misrepresentation of the reality.
2) The damage / range curve is off, but you're insane if you think that they need to be even better than they are in the hands of a gal assault. The gal assault bonus is underappreciated but amazing.
3) Gallogi's underpowered? Hah. Being able to keep entire enemy teams scanned from 200m's away is not underpowered at all. Yes it can be marginally harder to earn warpoints with them than say the minlogi (or maybe a lucky amarr logi), but they are still quite useful and good to the point where they are well represented in the 'competitive' meta. Passive scans were neutered so badly that often logi's do it better than scouts. If you want to talk truly underpowered, lets talk about the callogi with its 3 equip slots at proto and arbitrary loss of ~50 cpu compared to the gal logi and the fact that *everyone* can pack around 6-9 nanohives nowadays.
4) Are you prepared to have rail rifle level kick? Once again, dps/range curve is off but if you want rail rifle performance you'd better be willing to accept rail rifle drawbacks (maybe even worse because that gal assault bonus is so damn good).
5) Underrepresented doesn't equal bad. The ion pistol is quite a robust sidearm.
6) This is really more of an opinion than anything. Yes magnetism could be toned down but as said earlier, high magnetism is a feature of pistols - do a lot more testing, with all types of pistols.
7) Proportional damage / healthpools is a thing, as not all HP is built equally (otherwise we'd have armor and only armor). Gal and Amarr suits running triple damage mods (which IS common) can hit ~900-1150 dps against shields before warbarge modifiers these weapons have largely been balanced to be competitive in an armor meta and absolutely wreck shields. Armor may in fact not be overpowered, but it is and has been ubiquitous for forever. The biggest thing that might 'fix' shields in my unprofessional opinion is an inhibition value that you must 'beat' in order to stop shields from recharging - no 1 damage bullets stopping recharge.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself."Your claim is patently and demonstrably false.
Yeah, that was hyperbole, my mistake.
However....
What I should have said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites.
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Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself."
Your claim is patently and demonstrably false.
Never? Did I say never? If so, that was hyperbole. If not, great strawman.
You literally just said it. It is right here in Post #38. Feel free to edit it out :-)
Cat Merc wrote:What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites.
There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. We tried to fix the problems which plagued our class without creating new (or worse) problems.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:24:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Your claim was "Sorry Adipem, but you never advocated a nerf yourself."Your claim is patently and demonstrably false. Never? Did I say never? If so, that was hyperbole. If not, great strawman. What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. You literally just said it. It is right here in Post #38. Feel free to edit it out :-)
Why would I edit it out? I don't edit out my mistakes. (Unless grammar, or wanting to make my point more clear)
Dunno how you operate
However, as I said, what I intended was "mostly", and never was hyperbole on my part.
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Cat Merc wrote:Dunno how you operate
Post above edited.
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it.
Spkr imbalance? 
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:28:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Dunno how you operate Post above edited.
Started editing before you posted since I scrolled up and saw that.
I knew you'd get hung up on it, made it clearer.
As I said, if I can make something clearer, I do
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Posted - 2015.06.18 14:29:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:What I said is mostly, and most of the nerfs you came up with were not intended to balance scouts vs other suits, they were intended to balance Gal/Cal vs Min/Am, the Barbershops' favorites. There were nerfs/changes we favored and there were nerfs/changes we thought would bring about imbalance. That's the extent of it. Spkr imbalance?
Even when HAVs were at their very worst, I don't think that Spkr (or Taki) ever conceded that there might actually be a problem.
Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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