A PlayStation three broken game that needs 1 gb of ram to properly run on another platform ?

Oh if only there were a console with 8 gb of ram to properly run a dust 514 port

How the heck would you know what's balanced and what isn't when 90% of pubs are borefests? You just aren't digesting the core issue, people are leaving the game in droves.

We could sit here with our thumb up our butts saying "Dust isn't ready yet! It needs more X, it needs more Y! We must balance Z first!" for years. Every month that goes by we lose more players to boredom and next gen platforms. It won't be long before our PEAK numbers will be sub-1,000. When player numbers start dipping that low the profitability of Dust plummets. What do you think will happen to Dust when it isn't generating a profit?

What it is that you want? For CCP to be struck with analysis paralysis until they shutdown Dust without porting?

You can't throw RAM at Planetary Conquest and suddenly its fun again.

You can't throw RAM at imbalanced HP and Speed, and suddenly balance all suits.

If you think that the constraints of the PS3 are the ONLY issues Dust has, and that a port is the magic bullet, you don't fundamentally understand Dust's problems.


The game isn't a borefest because its on the PS3, there are a great many games on the PS3 that are still loads of fun (currently playing the Mass Effect series for example).

PS2 is on the PS4, and looks pretty, but is boring as hell despite all its polish. It is not fundamentally fun. Whether its on the PS4 or PC. It has all the RAM, GPU stats, and SSD space it can get on the PC, but people left the game because it sucked.

Just as pepople will if CCP ported a boring, broken game to the PC or PS4.

I want them to get the foundation of the game well enough that it can be built upon. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it has to be strong enough, and malleable enough, that it the fundamental ideas behind the game can be coded into a new engine, and it won't be a waste of resources.

Its a tight rope walk man. You port too soon, you get a boring, broken, exploitable game on a new system. It creates a bad impression, and people leave before CCP can react. At that point they have made a huge investment of time and money into the game, and won't get enough of a return to justify the cost.

They have one chance to get it right.

And to bring it back to center, I would rather CCP spend their time getting their game right than holding our hands through the process on a day by day basis when they could just be getting it done.

There is a time for input, and there is a time to act. Its what they are doing. They have told us as much. That should be good enough for the time being.

Soooo?

More ram means more room for working maps , 32 v 32 , 64 v 64, more fun weapons, more fun game modes besides stale pc, custom suit and vehicle name plates i.E. Irunz you over, special ammunition ,

So extra ram means less time spent doing thread and core stack balancing

In other words a more capable platform means less dev time spent trying to get stable code locked at 1080p 30 fps

Comprende?

Its this reason we need active cpms or at least one dev to look at forums hardly ever see them post on the forums and ideas section kinda a dead zone (unless its nerf post) honestly 98 % of forum posts now are dust players

You are not looking at the bigger picture here that One Eyed King is trying to show you.

If you look at Dust 514 at its core it is, by design, a fundamentally inefficient product that is poorly optimized that somehow needs an excessive amount of ram to even run properly when proper optimization would eliminate that waste. Sure, porting it over to the PS4 will solve that problem but that solution will be the ONLY thing it solves. Porting Dust over to the PS4 will not solve balance issues. Porting will not address the Gallente Lag Facility or the Internal Error Message you get when going into the MCC Construction Facility. And it will definitely NEVER solve the problem with Scotty acting like a complete **** with matchmaking that looks like it's handled by Trevor Phillips from Grand Theft Auto V. If you at least bother to look under the hood of Dust 514, you will see that the majority of the problems Dust has is rooted deep into it's programming and NOT the hardware.

I just don't understand why people think that porting Dust 514 as it is to the PS4 would help at all. If CCP ports Dust over right now, CCP will risk shooting itself in the foot AGAIN because the players in the PS4 market will not look at Dust's good side but will definitely look into and make a big stink about its bad sides. I can see the negative reviews already. Imagine:

Game Informer - DUST 514 ON PS4 IS A FLOP: BAD DESIGN
IGN - DUST 514 FAILS TO DELIVER IN THE PC BECAUSE OF BAD DESIGN
KOTAKU - DUST 514 ON PS4 IS NOW BUST 514: MORE BUGS THAN IN STARSHIP TROOPERS

It will not be a pretty picture and then Dust will go the way of World of Darkness. I would rather CCP fix a lot of the coding first and then move it over to the next platform when it's ready.

Why wouldn't something like the Gal Lab facility perform better with better hardware?

The alternative to porting is death on the PS3. Why do people have such a hard time with the concept of nothing to lose?

Staying silent on the future while trying to find crafty ways to eek out a little more performance on the PS3 only perpetuates the declining player numbers.

OMG, seriously? Tell me you're just trolling. I want to know. Are you trolling me because my troll meter is broken right now and I can't use it.

Who is to say that the Gallente Lag Facility is not going to have the same problem on the PS4? What if the facility is soooooooooo poorly optimized that you won't see any marked improvement on the PS4 either? Then what? You're going to be right here back on the forums screaming at CCP saying "WHY U NO FIX GAL LAB?" This debate is pointless right now. You know just as well as I do that Dust's problems are rooted deep into its coding and that hardware upgrades are not going to help if the software was bugged from the start.

Let me give you an example.

Microsoft Flight Simulator X was released back in 2006 and was supposed to be better than its predecessors on the PC. But there was a major problem with it. Something that annoyed the Flight Sim community for years to come. The simulator was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo poorly optimized that you needed to spend well over $1000 on a gaming rig just to have 30 FPS on medium graphic setting. To make matters worse, the simulator was mainly designed to require hardware that wasn't even out yet in the market. Many in the community decided to stick with FS2004 or FS98 because they were put off by ridiculous hardware demand it has. In fact, it was often joked that the "Recommended Hardware Requirements" were actually the "Minimum" and even then they were not accurate requirements. And this is on a PC platform. You know, the platform that is far superior to the console? PC MASTER RACE LEVEL here. Eventually, Microsoft gave up on the simulator and sold off the IP to Lockheed Martin which later developed Prepar3D.

Long story short, this is proof that better hardware doesn't always save a sick game.

Wait till summer, those numbers should boost.

I'm sure CCP already knows, but not entirely concerned about it . Their focus for the future is VR and probably mobile. I'm sure they know that Dust won't be around much longer and the playerbase might shrink even further, especially this fall, but not going to take much action. They will probably let Dust dwindle down before they pull the plug .

ORLY?

get a grip bro

soooo a problema from 2004 hardware with 256 MAGABYTES ram is not going to be easy to solve several years later with 8 GIGABYTES of RAM?

tossing SIXTEEN times more power at a problema be it source code that refuses to run at 1/16 of the power or a cars engine or a jet engine etc

as a general rule the more power available the easier it is to fix a problema based on lack of power...duh!

You sound like the naysayers from back in the day when folks were running A.I. simulations on lab computers

The naysayers kept telling us that we were never going to get it to work

The solution that Works today was it just needed more power i.e. autonomous robots from the DARPA program

You see back then these simulations took weeks and months to run a single cycle

Folks kept saying it was bad software

We kept saying that someday computers will get more than TEN MEGABYTES ram for a lab computer
i.e. a home computer back in the day of these simulations had 32 KILOBYTES RAM and a ONE MEGABYTE or five or wow! ten megabytes hard drive made by Tandy and sold at Radio Shack

Will throwing in more ram solve bad matchmaking? Will it solve the problem of having certain hills acting like quicksand while you sprint over it? Will it solve the problem of uplinks being glitched into a structure? Will it solve the problem of vehicles falling through the terrain when a player opens up the overview? Will it solve the problem of certain SKIN modules behaving weird when placed onto certain suits? Speaking of which, will it solve the problem of my SKIN not showing up in the warbarge at all?
these are related to lack of cpu power and system memory

Will it solve the problem of AFKers putting a rubber band on their controllers? Will it solve the problem of players leaving a match in mass as soon as they encounter anyone who can match them? Will it solve the problem where domination is nothing more than a game of who hacks first? Will it solve the problem of players using turbo controllers to abuse the scrambler rifle mechanic? Will it solve the problem of why PC currently sucks? Will it solve the problems that I pointed out some time ago in another thread regarding faction warfare? Will it fix the problem where a Dust player sending an item to an Eve player causes the item to disappear forever and no one receives it?

again problems related to lack of cpu power and system memory that new game modes and new maps will fix on a properly running system source code the same as haveing more game modes fixes the not haveing fun problema and the leaving match problema due to the not haveing fun problem

PS: Does adding more ram also solve the problem where the game bloats with every update and that the only way to fix that is to uninstall it and then reinstall it?

[u][b]again problems related to lack of cpu power and system memory that new game modes and new maps will fix on a properly running system source code the same as haveing more game modes fixes the not haveing fun problema and the leaving match problema due to the not haveing fun problem


source code optimization is much easier on 8 gigs of ram as opposed to a limited 512 mb in two shared pools that really leaves 256 mb to work with with out extensive shared pools optimization

you can recompile code for more stability at the expense of a bit more ram needed but if it needs 900mb its a no go on the ps3 and a lol! get it done on 8 gigs of ram

You didn't answer any of my questions.

HINT: I expect a simple "yes" or "no" answer to each of my questions.

There's no way to know how the matchmaking would work if there were enough players around that actually participated in matches. It seems a majority of the players who've hung around are hoarders that simply can't stop hoarding.

I believe this system could have worked well when there were 4K players everyday.

Seems strange for a dude who is always on CCP's jock to be so down on their abilities.

warlords peaked a little interest but tbh the reason most of my old corp mates jumped back on the other night was because Planetside 2 was down so they decided to come see what changes there were, attempt a few games, realize its still as broke a** as it always was and logged off annoyed and frustrated about how awful DUST is compared to every other shooter