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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:51:00 -
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Around this time every month I pull up Eve Offline: Dust to review the 3 and 6 month averages for Dust. Some data points I am noticing...
During the 2015 Christmas holidays our we dipped to 1,526. Seen here. Which is fine, people are spending time with their families and friends, opening presents, traveling, etc.
See that other 1,500-ish dip? That was a week ago.
Six month average: 2,173
Three month: 2,071
One month: 1,929
Week: 1,900
Notice a pattern?
Warlords 1.0 and 1.1 were great and we all appreciate the work done. The power core idea could improve performance and the PC revamp scheduled for 1.2 is great... but it will not fix what I believe to be the primary issue here: Playstation 3.
We are hemorrhaging players, CCP, and you are as quiet as a crypt about it. Why?
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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tal mrak-thanl
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:08:00 -
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A lot of north Americans were finishing a semester of academics a week ago.
Director - Corrosive Synergy
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Clone D
Solo Zen
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:08:00 -
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I have been pondering this as well, and would like to hear some sincere feedback as to whether or not there is even a strategy to keep this arm of the EVE universe alive. |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Around this time every month I pull up Eve Offline: Dust to review the 3 and 6 month averages for Dust. Some data points I am noticing... During the 2015 Christmas holidays our we dipped to 1,526. Seen here. Which is fine, people are spending time with their families and friends, opening presents, traveling, etc. See that other 1,500-ish dip? That was a week ago. Six month average: 2,173 Three month: 2,071 One month: 1,929 Week: 1,900 Notice a pattern? Warlords 1.0 and 1.1 were great and we all appreciate the work done. The power core idea could improve performance and the PC revamp scheduled for 1.2 is great... but it will not fix what I believe to be the primary issue here: Playstation 3. We are hemorrhaging players, CCP, and you are as quiet as a crypt about it. Why?
I didnt knew that you could predict the future.
Rudimentary Mercs of scrubs and incompetence. You touch my mind, fumbling in Ignorance, incapable of understanding.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:12:00 -
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tal mrak-thanl wrote:A lot of north Americans were finishing a semester of academics a week ago. Fair enough. What about the 6 and 3 month declines? The new player averages are trending downward too.
Clone D wrote:I have been pondering this as well, and would like to hear some sincere feedback as to whether or not there is even a strategy to keep this arm of the EVE universe alive. The silence is infuriating. I'm not dooming and glooming here. We want Dust to survive. What is so hard about informing us?
Bright Cloud wrote:I didnt knew that you could predict the future.  Fixed.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Sir Petersen
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:31:00 -
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PS3 systems dying every day and 2nd edition PS4 around the corner. Does not look good.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:34:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:2nd edition PS4 The PS4 slim? Already? That didn't take long.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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tal mrak-thanl
Corrosive Synergy
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:37:00 -
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Yeah, I'm sure that platform migration is having an impact on player base for a lot of game communities right now. Hell, I literally have to do a system restore three times a week now to even play dust. I'm one of those sad addicts that will prolly buy a new PS3 tho.
Director - Corrosive Synergy
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:37:00 -
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I don't think CCP are deliberately keeping us in the dark, I think it's that they themselves don't yet know what to do, so there's nothing to tell us. Which, to be honest, is even more worrying. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:38:00 -
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The worst part about those numbers is that people are logging into alts for labs, scamming, etc. like never before.
That's kind of the weirdest part about the people still being so passive in game. You'd think everyone would yolo and play balls out.
Thor's Emporium
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:39:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:I don't think CCP are deliberately keeping us in the dark, I think it's that they themselves don't yet know what to do, so there's nothing to tell us. Which, to be honest, is even more worrying. Over a year of developing Dust, an announcement at Fanfest 2014 and a reiteration of that announcement at 2015, and they still don't know what to do with this game? If that is the case that is depressing in a way I didn't think possible.
tal mrak-thanl wrote:Yeah, I'm sure that platform migration is having an impact on player base for a lot of game communities right now. Hell, I literally have to do a system restore three times a week now to even play dust. I'm one of those sad addicts that will prolly buy a new PS3 tho. You need a 12 step program, homie. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
thor424 wrote:The worst part about those numbers is that people are logging into alts for labs, scamming, etc. like never before.
That's kind of the weirdest part about the people still being so passive in game. You'd think everyone would yolo and play balls out. Risk aversion is a thing in this community. People are playing Retirement Fund 51401(k). **** that. Officer gear all day, proto every match. Hookers and blow in my merc quarters. Live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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knight guard fury
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:41:00 -
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For many teenagers like me, we've recently been busy with school and final exams. So that's a Small part of the reason.
Kin of the Vherokior tribe
I'm a pure minmatar loyalist
I discuss things based on EVE lore.
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ANAHEIM Darko
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:41:00 -
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tal mrak-thanl wrote:Yeah, I'm sure that platform migration is having an impact on player base for a lot of game communities right now. Hell, I literally have to do a system restore three times a week now to even play dust. I'm one of those sad addicts that will prolly buy a new PS3 tho.
You had better....
Caldari Assault ck.0.
Caldari Scout ck.0.
Caldari Sentinel ck.0
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Clone D
Solo Zen
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:41:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:PS3 systems dying every day and 2nd edition PS4 around the corner. Does not look good.
My wish list:
CCP rewrite Dust 514 as it exists now for PC and ports it to PS4. It doesn't have to be a brand new game or re branded game.
During this process, they remove known bugs as they migrate to a new game engine.
Reuse as many artifacts (graphics, sounds, existing work) as possible.
From there, they can pick up development on par with the rest of the industry and draw in the fresh breath of a new audience.
Dust 514 flourishes again and they don't have to muster up enough resources to launch Legion (which may have vanished anyway). |
Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
893
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:44:00 -
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tal mrak-thanl wrote:Yeah, I'm sure that platform migration is having an impact on player base for a lot of game communities right now. Hell, I literally have to do a system restore three times a week now to even play dust. I'm one of those sad addicts that will prolly buy a new PS3 tho.
You can pick up a new PS3 for literally nothing these days, so I don't see why not?
I still have a ton of games for my PS3, so if my current one would die I pick up a new one in a heartbeat.
Buying a PS4 does not mean you have to sell your PS3, which many people seems to take for granted... |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:45:00 -
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Clone D wrote:My wish list:
CCP rewrite Dust 514 as it exists now for PC and ports it to PS4. It doesn't have to be a brand new game or re branded game.
During this process, they remove known bugs as they migrate to a new game engine.
Reuse as many artifacts (graphics, sounds, existing work) as possible.
From there, they can pick up development on par with the rest of the industry and draw in the fresh breath of a new audience.
Dust 514 flourishes again and they don't have to muster up enough resources to launch Legion (which may have vanished anyway). A high level roadmap like this would make me shut up and behave myself. This is all we need really. "X is what we plan on doing with Dust 514. Y is the planned migration date, but that is heavily subject to change."
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:52:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Clone D wrote:My wish list:
CCP rewrite Dust 514 as it exists now for PC and ports it to PS4. It doesn't have to be a brand new game or re branded game.
During this process, they remove known bugs as they migrate to a new game engine.
Reuse as many artifacts (graphics, sounds, existing work) as possible.
From there, they can pick up development on par with the rest of the industry and draw in the fresh breath of a new audience.
Dust 514 flourishes again and they don't have to muster up enough resources to launch Legion (which may have vanished anyway). A high level roadmap like this would make me shut up and behave myself. This is all we need really. "X is what we plan on doing with Dust 514. Y is the planned migration date, but that is heavily subject to change."
CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again.
You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:55:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again.
You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed.
CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:21:00 -
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It's hard to watch a company that's sitting on such a goldmine continue to sit on their hands while their playerbase dwindles away.
Thor's Emporium
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
894
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:29:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again.
You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed. CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures.
I agree, and no, I'm not making excuses for CCP.
I just stated my personal opinion of why we haven't heard from them. |
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:30:00 -
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thor424 wrote:It's hard to watch a company that's sitting on such a goldmine continue to sit on their hands while their playerbase dwindles away. We have demonstrated that Dust 514 can be profitable with a tiny player population. Imagine what Dust could be on a newer platform like PC or PS4. CCP would be free of many memory issues that hamper development. They wouldn't have to deal with the PS3's mysterious software. So many pros, so few cons.
Regis Blackbird wrote:I agree, and no, I'm not making excuses for CCP.
I just stated my personal opinion of why we haven't heard from them. You are probably right though. CCP is gun shy after the Fanfest 2014 announcement backlash. The community has settled down quite a bit since then. We've also shrunk in size; less people means a smaller upset if someone misunderstands CCP's intentions.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:30:00 -
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If theyr'e working in the same SAFe Agile world that I work in, then they have a plan full of Epics, Features, and Stories. Is there anyone else out there that works in this environment?
Every company uses it differently, but it's a pretty interesting concept. I know they're doing something with Agile because one of their employees said he was a Scrum Master; that's a key role in the Agile world. |
Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:38:00 -
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Wait till summer, those numbers should boost.
48th Special Operations Force
Twitter-@48SOF
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:40:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Wait till summer, those numbers should boost. If you say so. I assume you mean high school and college age kids are going to be online more? Every month that goes by more kids in the states are getting PS4's and playing PS4 games. Even if we did get a surge of logins, it would be temporary as people migrated to the newest platform.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:52:00 -
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My advice would be to just play heck out of dust until it is gone. People like what they like. Once PFBHz went the way of the dinosaur, there was no point in me playing dust anymore. I just never cared for the game. I have often compared the dust fan base to the mag fan base. It is a small but devoutly loyal group. You can sustain it for awhile longer. However, with then new generation of consoles, you might not have as much luck as the mag group did as they were not competing with ps4 at the time. |
Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.05.22 16:06:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:If theyr'e working in the same SAFe Agile world that I work in, then they have a plan full of Epics, Features, and Stories. Is there anyone else out there that works in this environment?
Every company uses it differently, but it's a pretty interesting concept. I know they're doing something with Agile because one of their employees said he was a Scrum Master; that's a key role in the Agile world.
I do.
And judging from the latest releases and hotfixes I would say CCP Rattati and team have nailed it.
The trick is to educate the masses of this release philosophy, to limit expectations to realistic levels...
"Simple trading" comes to mind 
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.22 16:07:00 -
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Honestly the silence makes it harder and harder for me to stay interested.
Either there's a port or there isn't.
Soraya said something about it "not being the right time."
That ship has sailed.
Most of us would like to know our presence continuing in the game will be worth the investment.
This is not to denigrate the current dev team's efforts. I applaud them. They took a turd and made it into an actual game. Rattati and his team have my respect, regardless of the outcome.
But I see no reason to stay. I'm tired of the ps3, the issues therein and the tiny player numbers.
There is no jesus feature that will undo what has been done. DUST will not bring back all of the former players who sold or shitcanned their ps3 when the ps4 came out.
I think rattati's latest project will reveal that dust always was something functional buried under the weight of database redundancy. That's stellar. It's awesome.
But I, and everyone else I know have anabsolutely no faith in sorayas statement that bebehind the NDA curtain there is "more than we know." This empty promise of good things is quite frankly insult to injury.
I've stopped caring. I don't believe a goddamn word of it.
I'll keep playing because I play with some good people and because I enjoy torching your stuff.
But I don't believe for a moment that there is a plan for the future. I have seen no evidence that any such thing exists.
WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
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Vesta Opalus
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
732
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Posted - 2015.05.22 16:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Around this time every month I pull up Eve Offline: Dust to review the 3 and 6 month averages for Dust. Some data points I am noticing... During the 2014 Christmas holidays our we dipped to 1,526. Seen here. Which is fine, people are spending time with their families and friends, opening presents, traveling, etc. See that other 1,500-ish dip? That was a week ago. Six month average: 2,173 Three month: 2,071 One month: 1,929 Week: 1,900 Notice a pattern? Warlords 1.0 and 1.1 were great and we all appreciate the work done. The power core idea could improve performance and the PC revamp scheduled for 1.2 is great... but it will not fix what I believe to be the primary issue here: Playstation 3. We are hemorrhaging players, CCP, and you are as quiet as a crypt about it. Why?
Pretty sure last christmas there was some kind of huge ddos type attack on PSN or Dust, I dont remember which, which made it impossible or very difficult to log on for most of that week.
Dunno about the week ago dip. |
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
No Context
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Posted - 2015.05.22 16:13:00 -
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tal mrak-thanl wrote:Yeah, I'm sure that platform migration is having an impact on player base for a lot of game communities right now. Hell, I literally have to do a system restore three times a week now to even play dust. I'm one of those sad addicts that will prolly buy a new PS3 tho.
Restore? Are you doing it for performance? Interested because I have a first generation PS3 and have poor performance.....
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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7th Son 7
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.22 16:24:00 -
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Love the data Riley but it's funny you don't even need stats to explain what's going on, it's in the air. I can feel it. Gamers were given so many more gaming options with the release of ps4 and Xbox One not long ago, I feel it's only guna get worse. With even the most dedicated Dust players CCP's lack of info regarding Dust's future, it's a huge uphill battle imo.
Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
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