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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:51:00 -
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Around this time every month I pull up Eve Offline: Dust to review the 3 and 6 month averages for Dust. Some data points I am noticing...
During the 2015 Christmas holidays our we dipped to 1,526. Seen here. Which is fine, people are spending time with their families and friends, opening presents, traveling, etc.
See that other 1,500-ish dip? That was a week ago.
Six month average: 2,173
Three month: 2,071
One month: 1,929
Week: 1,900
Notice a pattern?
Warlords 1.0 and 1.1 were great and we all appreciate the work done. The power core idea could improve performance and the PC revamp scheduled for 1.2 is great... but it will not fix what I believe to be the primary issue here: Playstation 3.
We are hemorrhaging players, CCP, and you are as quiet as a crypt about it. Why?
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:12:00 -
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tal mrak-thanl wrote:A lot of north Americans were finishing a semester of academics a week ago. Fair enough. What about the 6 and 3 month declines? The new player averages are trending downward too.
Clone D wrote:I have been pondering this as well, and would like to hear some sincere feedback as to whether or not there is even a strategy to keep this arm of the EVE universe alive. The silence is infuriating. I'm not dooming and glooming here. We want Dust to survive. What is so hard about informing us?
Bright Cloud wrote:I didnt knew that you could predict the future.  Fixed.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:34:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:2nd edition PS4 The PS4 slim? Already? That didn't take long.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:39:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:I don't think CCP are deliberately keeping us in the dark, I think it's that they themselves don't yet know what to do, so there's nothing to tell us. Which, to be honest, is even more worrying. Over a year of developing Dust, an announcement at Fanfest 2014 and a reiteration of that announcement at 2015, and they still don't know what to do with this game? If that is the case that is depressing in a way I didn't think possible.
tal mrak-thanl wrote:Yeah, I'm sure that platform migration is having an impact on player base for a lot of game communities right now. Hell, I literally have to do a system restore three times a week now to even play dust. I'm one of those sad addicts that will prolly buy a new PS3 tho. You need a 12 step program, homie. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
thor424 wrote:The worst part about those numbers is that people are logging into alts for labs, scamming, etc. like never before.
That's kind of the weirdest part about the people still being so passive in game. You'd think everyone would yolo and play balls out. Risk aversion is a thing in this community. People are playing Retirement Fund 51401(k). **** that. Officer gear all day, proto every match. Hookers and blow in my merc quarters. Live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:45:00 -
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Clone D wrote:My wish list:
CCP rewrite Dust 514 as it exists now for PC and ports it to PS4. It doesn't have to be a brand new game or re branded game.
During this process, they remove known bugs as they migrate to a new game engine.
Reuse as many artifacts (graphics, sounds, existing work) as possible.
From there, they can pick up development on par with the rest of the industry and draw in the fresh breath of a new audience.
Dust 514 flourishes again and they don't have to muster up enough resources to launch Legion (which may have vanished anyway). A high level roadmap like this would make me shut up and behave myself. This is all we need really. "X is what we plan on doing with Dust 514. Y is the planned migration date, but that is heavily subject to change."
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:55:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again.
You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed.
CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:30:00 -
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thor424 wrote:It's hard to watch a company that's sitting on such a goldmine continue to sit on their hands while their playerbase dwindles away. We have demonstrated that Dust 514 can be profitable with a tiny player population. Imagine what Dust could be on a newer platform like PC or PS4. CCP would be free of many memory issues that hamper development. They wouldn't have to deal with the PS3's mysterious software. So many pros, so few cons.
Regis Blackbird wrote:I agree, and no, I'm not making excuses for CCP.
I just stated my personal opinion of why we haven't heard from them. You are probably right though. CCP is gun shy after the Fanfest 2014 announcement backlash. The community has settled down quite a bit since then. We've also shrunk in size; less people means a smaller upset if someone misunderstands CCP's intentions.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:40:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Wait till summer, those numbers should boost. If you say so. I assume you mean high school and college age kids are going to be online more? Every month that goes by more kids in the states are getting PS4's and playing PS4 games. Even if we did get a surge of logins, it would be temporary as people migrated to the newest platform.
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Posted - 2015.06.04 12:34:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Not sure it-¦s gonna be slim. I-¦ve heard rumours though that we-¦re talking about a 4k system. That alone is tempting for sure. The announcements have been calling it PS4 Slim. We'll learn more at E3 I'm sure.
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Posted - 2015.06.04 12:39:00 -
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One month player population on 5/22: 1,929
One month player population today: 1,898
These are averages.
Where are you CCP? Why won't you talk to us about the future of Dust?
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:09:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:New releases can factor into it, loss of PS3 for whatever reason. Man even fatality I'm sorry to say. The problem isn't getting the numbers to stay or rise even, the problem I half the planet still doesn't know this game even exists. I have drafted a few in on PS fb pages etc but the amount of gamers who still blast skyrim of fallout for example and are looking for a decent game on ps3 don't know its even there, damn back in 2013 I only knew about Dust due to strolling through PS Store. I'm wondering if CCP could start a fund were gamers can donate AUR to get some actual TV advertisement or something going. As for Legion I still believe its coming just whether its in our lifetime remains to be seen. Disclaimer: CCP Rattati and team have improved this game a great deal. Dust 514 is a much more fun and healthier game than the pre-Fanfest 2014 era. I applaud them for their efforts and I hope to God, Buddha, Zeus, Odin, whoever the **** is listening that they are involved in Dust's future on another platform.
Dust 514 in it's current form is not worth advertising. There simply is not enough content.
One of the reasons we lose players who enjoy the game a great deal is because after a couple months they have run out of things to do. At best, paying for advertising would get a temporary spike of new players in. Retention rates would be poor and there are chances we could have some reviewers throwing out blogs like, "A year later and not much as changed!" Which would actually be even worse for Dust's health as people see the game ridiculed yet again.
The idea of players purchasing advertising with AUR is ludicrous. I pay CCP by purchasing things that will make the game fun for me (boosters, SKINs, etc), but help CCP bring in more players and more revenue. Imagine if the local hamburger joint came to you and said, "Hey chip in $5 so I can buy a new sign." **** off hamburger joint owner. Make your burgers taste better, I'll buy more, then you can buy a sign with that money.
If you want to start a #ReviveDUST514 campaign on Twitter or something, knock yourself out. Hell, I'll give you a retweet if you do.
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:46:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:If you run for CPM, you'll get in and find out. Then you can stare at the forums in frustration because you know, and can't say anything due to the NDA. No. I will share with all of you that Dust 514 will be ported to Android and iOS tablets as a F2P match-3 tower defense game.
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:13:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The problem with that statement is that people like you and me will spin that around somehow as "Here is what we WILL do with Dust: X. We are definitely giving a release date for this on: Q4 2016, and that is not likely to change." That kind of spin-doctoring has happened before with Dust... many times... don't ask how many as I stopped counting a long time ago.
Don't forget. We are experts in creating effective rumor mills. I'll say again, I'm tired of this excuse. I know there is a danger that people will attempt to interpret the announcement wrong. That's when we the players and CCP points at the devblog making the announcement and reiterates, "No, we didn't say "WILL" we said "WE WOULD LIKE."
Funny thing about putting down something in black and white, you can refer to it later. Make no promises in this hypothetical devblog. Estimations are fine at this point.
Also, pretend what you say will happen actually happens... so what? OH NO WE MIGHT LOSE SOME PLAYERS! Oh wait that has already happened from the year of silence.
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Posted - 2015.06.04 17:37:00 -
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Just for record keeping sake...
Year average: 2,427
Six month: 2,143
Three month: 2,034
Month: 1,898
Week: 1,879
I will try to refer back to this data in a few weeks (or Warlords 1.2) to see if there is a change.
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:05:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:had it not been for what happened during the months leading up to Fanfest 2014. CCP did what you suggested. What devblog are you referring to?
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:07:00 -
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Updated OP with new Eve Offline data.
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Posted - 2015.06.19 23:27:00 -
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Devadander wrote:The two spikes you pointed out..
Christmas was lizard squad.
The very recent one was squad/mic glitch.
Put up the tinfoil. Look at the date on OP... The second dip was long before the Squad/mix glitch.
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Posted - 2015.06.20 19:40:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:And what good would it be to port a broken, unbalanced, and frustrating game to a new system?
Not all the games problems are due to hardware constraints.
PC had exploits that ruined the economy.
While weapons and suits are better balanced, there is still quite a ways to go.
Porting this game to another system too soon will only ensure its failure the next iteration, and thus for the long term.
They have to get the fundamentals right before doing anything else. We could sit here with our thumb up our butts saying "Dust isn't ready yet! It needs more X, it needs more Y! We must balance Z first!" for years. Every month that goes by we lose more players to boredom and next gen platforms. It won't be long before our PEAK numbers will be sub-1,000. When player numbers start dipping that low the profitability of Dust plummets. What do you think will happen to Dust when it isn't generating a profit?
What it is that you want? For CCP to be struck with analysis paralysis until they shutdown Dust without porting?
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Posted - 2015.07.14 12:34:00 -
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Updated OP with July 14th numbers.
Year average: 2313 (-79)
Six month: 2069 (-40)
Three month: 1937 (-42)
Month: 1970 (+85)
Week: 2108 (+272)
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Posted - 2015.07.14 12:46:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:warlords peaked a little interest but tbh the reason most of my old corp mates jumped back on the other night was because Planetside 2 was down so they decided to come see what changes there were, attempt a few games, realize its still as broke a** as it always was and logged off annoyed and frustrated about how awful DUST is compared to every other shooter No doubt. A portion of these numbers represent exactly what you are talking about. Players logging in to see what has changed then logging right back out again because 1.2 didn't do it for them.
The real impact of this patch can be assessed by the changes to the three and six month averages. That represents Dust 514 keeping players interested. Unfortunately, we won't have those numbers until October - December of this year.
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