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Vrain Matari
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:19:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:A) They don't want to make any promises on what they will do unless they are absolutely sure they can deliver it this time. I'm getting a wee bit tired of this excuse. There is a comfortable middle ground where CCP can share the future plans for Dust 514 while at the same time tempering expectations on timelines. It is not an excuse. It is an extremely prudent business model. The one thing you are overlooking: investors. You promise a game. Investors pony up real world money. You use this money to develop game. You fail to produce game; waste invested money. Investors bail out. You close whole divisions of company. Promise a new version of troubled game. Investors remember your bad reputation. You have no new money to use for development. You fail to produce new game. Your credibility as a company is forever destroyed. Company folds, sells off assets. I prefer: Company goes through rough times. Still has worthwhile product. Refocuses priorities. Has new ideas, promises nothing. Larger customer base of highly profitable game happy. Small portion of customer base of troubled, barely profitable game shed tears. Reputation to investors is protected. Develops new ideas. If new idea works, release idea. Smaller customer base shed tears of joy, becomes large customer base. Reputation as company vindicated. If idea didn't work, small customer base dissolves, large base unchanged. Reputation as company unharmed. Investors invest.
Agree.
As a player it sucks, ofc, and CCP has a deep hole to dig themselves out of before i'll invest in Dust again. They still have one of my EVE subscriptions out of respect for the EVE devteam.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
11
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:had it not been for what happened during the months leading up to Fanfest 2014. CCP did what you suggested. What devblog are you referring to?
I think it was one in which they referred to possibly introducing a new equipment that generate a bubble shield. But I think that was a really old blog. Also, what were they referring to when they said that something else is on the list but starts with a "w"?
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/
The closest I could find that matches what you wanted CCP to do is this...
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/interview-with-ccp-remnant/
A lot of what was said in that dev blog matched your recommendation, but the changes either took far too long to be addressed or not at all.
Another one from earlier covered the NPE.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/10/npe-in-uprising-1.5/
Before that, they covered the Squad Finder and said something similar about it near the end.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/09/squad-finder/
Maybe this one as well if you look at the "Future Plans" part of the blog.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/an-updated-map-for-uprising/
That's all I can dig up for now.
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Scotty AI MatchMaker
The Templis Dragonaurs
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
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Posted - 2015.06.05 05:59:00 -
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Well as long as there is a forum section marked 'Project Legion' I'll believe there is an on going development for a new version of Dust 514
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Apocalyptic Destroyerr
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.05 06:04:00 -
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I agree, this game needs to be moved, or moved out. |
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Posted - 2015.06.05 10:28:00 -
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Dude the game is straight up boring, i know that **** is hard to hear. Once you hit some odd 90mil sp there is literally nothing more to invest sp in unless you are one of those people who want to max every class and every vehicle, etc. But why would you want to be one of those people? This isn't a true MMO where you need multi-classes for PvE or PvP raids. PC was kinda dope, but when they tweaked the payouts you started to realize even having a crap ton of isk doesn't further the entertainment value. I dunno, i had fun for the three some odd years i did play, but having four/five modes with a handful of maps and the occasional PC just doesn't cut it, even if you're having a good time talking **** with the online homies. What they should do is make a PS4 port with some new modes (SUPER MODES/NEXT LEVEL MODES) and include MMO like PvE, and like real MMOs make a server that has FFA PVP/friendly fire in every mode so it can get real gangster. Personally i think this game is going to straight up die, but it was legendary for the first two years or so!
And also, big ups to CCP Ratts for trying his hardest to turn this game around after the FF fiasco. I hope whatever Dev job he gets next he gets paid fat from this experience. |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.05 12:02:00 -
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Scotty AI MatchMaker wrote:Well as long as there is a forum section marked 'Project Legion' I'll believe there is an on going development for a new version of Dust 514
As I've said before, Project Legion probably would have been worse than Dust 514 given they were going to keep using the same leaning tower of code that Dust runs on with just a new coat of paint slapped on and most of the skill training freedom removed entirely.
Did any of you actually watch the FanFest presentations?
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.06.05 12:11:00 -
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- Fanfest 2014, aka the Rougue wedding. Alienated the player base, announced they had cut most of dust develpoment resources months before fan fest, and switching them to Project Legion, which will never see the light of day
- Zero marketing. No advertinsing, relyoing on word of mouth soley. Which leads to:
- Players have been stomping the everloving crap out of noobs for two years. What do noobs tell their frinds? Dust is a waste of time. Dust's only repuation is a bad one.
PS3 isn't where future console content is, its on the PS4
Now people are just fed up, taking extended breaks. Lots of people played dust for the dream of what it might be, and the more people realize that thier dream is never going to be realized, the less they want to invest time and energy in this frustrating game.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.06.05 14:39:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:
- Fanfest 2014, aka the Rougue wedding. Alienated the player base, announced they had cut most of dust develpoment resources months before fan fest, and switching them to Project Legion, which will never see the light of day
- Zero marketing. No advertinsing, relyoing on word of mouth soley. Which leads to:
- Players have been stomping the everloving crap out of noobs for two years. What do noobs tell their frinds? Dust is a waste of time. Dust's only repuation is a bad one.
PS3 isn't where future console content is, its on the PS4
Now people are just fed up, taking extended breaks. Lots of people played dust for the dream of what it might be, and the more people realize that thier dream is never going to be realized, the less they want to invest time and energy in this frustrating game.
you forgot #laserfocused
anyway thsi sums it up perfectly, myself only comes back for a few minutes to check whats going on and then I go play something else.
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Green Living
Gallente Gay Swag Club
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Posted - 2015.06.05 14:45:00 -
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knight guard fury wrote:For many teenagers like me, we've recently been busy with school and final exams. So that's a Small part of the reason.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:38:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Just for record keeping sake...
Year average: 2,427
Six month: 2,143
Three month: 2,034
Month: 1,898
Week: 1,879
I will try to refer back to this data in a few weeks (or Warlords 1.2) to see if there is a change.
pauses from ps4 the witcher 3
changes?
you mean like ps4 batman arkam? due in june
or e3 hype for new games like Fallout 4?
the dust 514 playerbase is getting smaller every day due to lack of new dust 514 content and more amenable ps4 games to play.
100 million sp here and whats the point of playing dust 514?
getting sp?
pass
i.e. every month or so theres new warframe expansions or something added to destiny or dragon age or bloodborne, etc
by the time i finish witcher 3 in october then its dealing with a huge backlog of ps4 games
did i mention that perhaps fallout four may have a rel+¬ase in 2015 november?
no time for dust 514
add in nothing really new for dust 514 and the option for growing numbers is sell ps3 and hello ps4
back to the ps4 the witcher 3 with many months worth of entertainment
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Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:42:00 -
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Green Living wrote:knight guard fury wrote:For many teenagers like me, we've recently been busy with school and final exams. So that's a Small part of the reason. No excuses young man. studying to get a well paid job for getting women , fast cars and nice things before playing dust.
fixed.
off to score a good deal on a carb+¦n fiber hood
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.06.19 19:07:00 -
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Updated OP with new Eve Offline data.
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First Prophet
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.19 22:08:00 -
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SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:Stop it. Everything is fine. CCP and Dust are not going anywhere. They would have told us. I can prove it.
They just put out sale on the elite pack for 69.99. See there, end of story. If something was wrong, they wouldnt be asking us to spend money with tempting hot sales.
Pretty sure you're joking but for those who don't know:
They had a sale on Omega boosters like a couple of weeks before the Rouge Wedding. If anything the elite pack sale means we're f**ked. 
"The Wrath of Rust is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Combat Placenta
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2015.06.19 23:05:00 -
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The issue is not the PS3.
The issue is not folks being unaware of Dusts existence.
Dust has been around for a long time now. People looking for the FPS experience that Dust attempts to provide have more than likely stumbled across the game already, at the very least they have heard about it, and the type of gamer that enjoys a game type such as Dust is (in my opinion) far more likely to check something out for themselves than to read bad reviews on the Internet and discount the game without trying it. Awarness, or lack there of, is not what's driving down the numbers.
The PS3 is an old system, of course. I won't even begin to get into old games that still support vibrant and active player bases and communities, regardless of the age of said games or systems. I'm fairly certain GTAO will continue on, even after the release of any new GTAs, for as long as R* keeps the servers running. The PS3 in itself is not what's driving down the numbers.
When Dust was originally given to the world, one of its main draws was the idea of a combined universe. A PC space sim and a console FPS, living in the same world, working together, against each other, driving economies as well as shattering them. When our merc boots touched down on a planet, the pilots in space would feel their world rumble, and with the help of those pilots we would be able to wipe our enemies from the map, furthering the agendas of the great Eve alliances, and increasing their power to unlimited levels.
Awesome, I know.
Then came time to make this (freakin awesome) dream a reality. This is when it all started rolling down hill. I won't speculate on the why (as I normally do), but what we got was the orbital strike, the only meaningful connection to Eve. While it was cooler than hell, it seemed to be nothing more than a pain in the button for Eve pilots, and there really was no reward for them what so ever. They had no reason to risk dropping whatever they were up to just to drop bombs over Baghdad, so the idea of the Eve/Dust connection sputtered and died.
To compound this failure, for whatever reasons, Dust began as, and remained, the land of constant nerfing and buffing. Yes, this is required to balance a game, but when every single thing in game is nerfed and buffed back and forth over and over again year after year, with no actual progress made, it is a problem. CCP had the grand vision (and it was grand), but finite details required for a cohesive gaming experience were never hammered out, seemingly never considered.
Calls came out from the forums on what the game needed to really get going. A single player experience, a better new player experience, trees, areas outside of the merc quarters, the full lineup of racial vehicles, more clearly defined roles for each suit and vehicle, different roles for each suit and vehicle, a market, player trading, a way for vets and rookies to compete together without ruining the others experience, a way for vets and rookies to compete separately without ruining the others experience, tericide, etc etc. The list goes on.
In the end CCP did what I always do when I get high and try to clean my room. Running back and forth from place to place, messing with some stuff over here, running off to mess with some stuff over there. Changing their mind and rearranging this pile before deciding that's not how they wanted it and rearranging it all over again. Stopping to take stock of work that has been accomplished and realizing nothing has really got done before zoning out and staring into space under the guise of planing the next move. Then saying f*ck it, I'll do it later.
I know there are a lot of new people that have joined since I left, and to them there may be the illusion of progress. But Riley you were here before I got here. The games in the same place. The same numbers have been shuffled around back and forth, over and over again for the life of the game. All the change and work has simply been a giant circle, a strange episode of the Twilight Zone. Yes there has been large amounts of change and work done, but in the grand scheme of things it has not moved the game forward an inch.
I remember the release of "the volcano map". And that was back when Dust development was going strong. Of course we would later find out that CCP was aware of the Fanfest 14 agenda for at least a good half year, even as they pushed booster and pack sales. And now Legion is MIA, possibly not going to happen, so Dust is back in action. With each layer of sh*tty code piled on top of the previously sh*tty code, the internals of the game get more twisted and needlessly compicated. From a performance perspective I can buy the possible merits of tericide.
I'm the end, from what I've seen from CCP, they are silent because there is no plan. It's all about using minimal effort to create maximum profit. In the end, no matter how the numbers are tweaked, we are playing the same basic game that they have been pushing for however many years they've been pushing it.
And that, in my opinion, is why there is a decline in the player base. If a gamer is able to push past the enormous barrier of entry, what is there to keep them around? What have we heard from the many vets who tried to cling on? I've got so many friends here, I've put so much work in, there is so much promise, I've grown bored of my current game library, I'm waiting for x game, I'm waiting for x system. At the end of the day, the draw of Dust over the long term is not what it provides, but the dream of what it could possibly have provided. You can only sustain a player base so long on hopes and dreams, and we have been watching that fact in action for a long time now.
Thus, in my opinion, you have the explanation for the dwindling player base numbers.
Sorry about the essay.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
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Posted - 2015.06.19 23:13:00 -
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The two spikes you pointed out..
Christmas was lizard squad.
The very recent one was squad/mic glitch.
Put up the tinfoil.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.06.19 23:27:00 -
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Devadander wrote:The two spikes you pointed out..
Christmas was lizard squad.
The very recent one was squad/mic glitch.
Put up the tinfoil. Look at the date on OP... The second dip was long before the Squad/mix glitch.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2015.06.19 23:34:00 -
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@Ripley Riley
Did you read my references about how CCP kept saying "we're wanting to do this" but then either failed to deliver or took eternity to get it done?
I especially remember how they talked about the knife variants from the different races besides that of the Caldari Nova Knives. I'm still waiting on those Minmatar Prison Shivs, Gallente Hook Knives, and the Amarr Gladius.
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.06.20 00:05:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Devadander wrote:The two spikes you pointed out..
Christmas was lizard squad.
The very recent one was squad/mic glitch.
Put up the tinfoil. Look at the date on OP... The second dip was long before the Squad/mix glitch.
Meh, maybe Walmart had a sale.. Point is, goosfraba.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.06.20 00:54:00 -
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Overall CCP Rattati or Frame mentioned that they are well informed on the community's interest in moving to a new platform. The question is where. PC or PS4?
You can forget about the Xbox One unless Microsoft somehow decided to take that stick out of its ass regarding servers.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 01:14:00 -
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Did you not read Frame's earlier post today?
They have been busy working on the next update and hotfix. These are going to be huge, and given their limited resources, I would rather them spend it getting things done than holding our hand.
They haven't been completely silent, just less communicative than previously because of major work being done.
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Jathniel
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.20 01:32:00 -
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It's really simple. This community has burned CCP's lips shut.
The game started to recover some.
I heard news about Project Legion, and got super excited. Because finally, I would be able to enjoy Dust on my preferred platform, PC, with all the advantages and benefits there to. Namely, making a game that I enjoy, become immortal. Other advantages to PC gaming like graphics, power, etc. are irrelevant.
The main advantage to PC is that you get to keep and play every game that you want, as long as you want. Forever. Company profits and support being irrelevant. So long as you possess the data, and direct access to the game's assets, it's yours.
But a bunch of people bitched about it, and called PC gamers "elitists", selfish, and every other name in the book. Called CCP a bunch of "sell outs" that only "catered to the paying PC crowd". People refused to see the benefit of the Legion call.
So guess what happens now?
This worry about Dust 514 means nothing, because this is the last year of the Playstation 3 itself. PS3 production will likely halt this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/24/sony-to-support-ps3-until-at-least-2015
Support for PS3 games will likely continue indefinitely so long as it's cost-effective to Sony, and so long as there are enough functional PS3s still in market circulation regularly connecting to PSN... but once that's gone... say good bye to your download-only library of games, including Dust 514.
If everyone simply didn't ***** about Legion, CCP would probably be more willing to share whatever they're working on. If they're working on anything at all.
So you could say, everyone shot themselves in the foot.
This is also part of the reason why I'm so fixated on getting us a Dust 514 Soundtrack release. If and when Dust has its final day, I want something to help preserve those memories, because I enjoyed my time with this game:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205357
I still see so many threads popping up about "balance this and balance that" blah blah blah; which makes no sense if your game could very well not be here 6 months from now. That's basically like arguing about the immediate course and heading of a boat... that's sinking.
It reflects a loss of priority, and an unreasonable state of denial.
Doesn't matter what business model we want CCP to follow. You don't earn anything special from being dedicated to a company to the end.
If we didn't ***** about Legion, but showed support for it... don't you think CCP would have been more willing to talk about their plans today?
Sony will likely end PS3 manufacturing, some time this year. Your PS3 breaks, and you can't fix it anymore? That means no more Dust 514. But say if we had Legion, at some point in the future you happened to buy yourself a new PC, not a gaming PC, just a basic household... guess what? Dust/Legion would have been there waiting for you. And it would have always been there waiting for you.
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Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.20 01:35:00 -
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While I can appreciate the fact that resources are now limited and they are making due with what they have, it is still the same basic system they have had in place for a long time now. Hotfix to hotfix, patch to patch, no changes have been substantial enough to advance the game as a whole. That's not to say that the work and the changes aren't appreciated, but it's all just a shuffle of numbers and concepts. The game never changes or develops at the most basic levels (I can accept that the various strategies in game can change greatly from number shuffle to number shuffle, but that doesn't address the true issues).
No one patch will be the magic bullet, in my opinion at least. I used to believe in the idea that the small changes over time would add up and the game would finally come together, but no longer.
Dust may never flat out die, but you get what you put in to something. CCP as a company is simply trying to keep Dust alive just enough. Therefore Dust is staying alive just enough, as there are obviously people still putting money into it. I'm not saying what people should or shouldn't do with their money, I'm saying CCP is content with the current operating cost to profit ratio, and I don't see that changing.
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Combat Placenta
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.20 02:10:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:
But a bunch of people bitched about it, and called PC gamers "elitists", selfish, and every other name in the book. Called CCP a bunch of "sell outs" that only "catered to the paying PC crowd". People refused to see the benefit of the Legion call.
If everyone simply didn't ***** about Legion, CCP would probably be more willing to share whatever they're working on. If they're working on anything at all.
So you could say, everyone shot themselves in the foot.
Doesn't matter what business model we want CCP to follow. You don't earn anything special from being dedicated to a company to the end.
No one would need to worry about Dust now, if we hadn't stabbed CCP in the back, then.
Dust was released on the PS3. Whether is or isn't the system it should have been on is irrelevant, as we all obviously know it was put on the PS3. The player base was obviously all PS3 users. I'm sure many people came from Eve. I'm sure many people came from PC gaming in general.
But it was a PS3 game, thus it built up a large following of players who only had a PS3 and no PC, for various reasons. Some were father's who don't have the money to burn, some are kids who don't have the means to purchase a gaming PC, some are just regular folks who simply live paycheck to paycheck and are not in a position to drop even a couple hundred dollars on anything, much less a $500+ gaming rig (oh I'm low balling it, I know).
Yet many PC gamers are always more than willing to point out that a few hundred dollar purchase is more than justified to follow a free to play game from a system you own to a system you don't own. Many are also kind enough to mention that if a person was able to purchase a console at one point in their life, they are more than able to purchase a PC whenever they want.
In the months before FanFest 14, CCP was pushing boosters and packs like you wouldn't believe (you may have been there). They did, in all honesty, have some great updates between I want to say like August and November of 2013. They got everyone hyped up for the big FanFest announcement. Dust players flew half way across the globe to attend FanFest.
I'm sure you know what happened next.
15 minutes of a high resolution video of Dust, that was actually going to be Project Legion, and it was going to be on PC, and mumble mumble mumble updates for Dust are over mumble mumble. Moving on.....
If CCP didn't understand the ensuing rage, then I don't know what to say. I would imagine the rage probably hurt. The individual developers had worked to create what we had, and I know that no one individual is responsible for what happened. Especially not the dudes in the trenches doing all the serious work, coding and character modeling and what have you.
But all in all I can guarantee you that what really hurt them was Eves lack of interest in Dust. Dust was made as an extention of the shady @ss bullsh*t that Eve corps partake in, and that's cool, I still love the idea. But at the end of the day, not enough space folks wanted to put boots on the ground and get slaughtered night in and night out. I'm not saying there aren't people who equally split their love/time between Eve and Dust, but a majority of the people who love Eve and really put in work up there simply do not want to come down to a planet and get massacred for weeks and months before they build up SP and learn the game. And if someone plays Eve, loves it, has no gun game and a lower level FPS skill (there are plenty of them out there), they will not stick around for long at all.
And if Eve can't control it, they don't want it in Tranquility.
CCP built our world for Eve, and while they built up a brand new player base of PS3 users, it was always for Eve. In a last ditch attempt to gain Eves acceptance, they threw the PS3 player base to the wolves. For nothing.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.20 03:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again.
You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed. CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures.
I don't know how people continue with the "they don't want to commit without being able to deliver" mantra.
It's becoming harder and harder to have quality matches as the playerbase drops. I'll be here until the end, but the writing is on the wall if they continue to stay silent. I think they'll have to announce something by the end of summer. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:11:00 -
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thor424 wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again.
You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed. CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures. I don't know how people continue with the "they don't want to commit without being able to deliver" mantra. It's becoming harder and harder to have quality matches as the playerbase drops. I'll be here until the end, but the writing is on the wall if they continue to stay silent. I think they'll have to announce something by the end of summer.
They can't keep people here with promises anymore. Even if we know they will pull through.
If I know I am going to be frustrated, I won't play. Doesn't matter if I know a week from now things will change. CCP wasting time chatting us up won't bring the changes faster.
In fact time spent explaining everything clearly and without inflaming ire would take time.
When time is of the essence, and given the numbers drop it is, its more important to buckle down and get it done as soon as possible.
Only when the game is fun again will peope play longer and more often, and end their breaks.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
426
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:55:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:thor424 wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again.
You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed. CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures. I don't know how people continue with the "they don't want to commit without being able to deliver" mantra. It's becoming harder and harder to have quality matches as the playerbase drops. I'll be here until the end, but the writing is on the wall if they continue to stay silent. I think they'll have to announce something by the end of summer. They can't keep people here with promises anymore. Even if we know they will pull through. If I know I am going to be frustrated, I won't play. Doesn't matter if I know a week from now things will change. CCP wasting time chatting us up won't bring the changes faster. In fact time spent explaining everything clearly and without inflaming ire would take time. When time is of the essence, and given the numbers drop it is, its more important to buckle down and get it done as soon as possible. Only when the game is fun again will peope play longer and more often, and end their breaks.
Yet as player numbers drop, revenue drops. Everything we are led to believe is that Dust is getting the work it's getting because it's making money.
I agree that time is of the essence. The longer the silence the more people lose faith and believe the silence is to wring the last drop from the playerbase before the inevitable. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
10
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Posted - 2015.06.20 06:19:00 -
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thor424 wrote:
Yet as player numbers drop, revenue drops. Everything we are led to believe is that Dust is getting the work it's getting because it's making money.
I agree that time is of the essence. The longer the silence the more people lose faith and believe the silence is to wring the last drop from the playerbase before the inevitable.
But they have already stated otherwise. Several times.
Including a comment from Frame today.
They are working on PC 2.0, Power Cores, and HP/Speed curve.
Just the first two are heavy lifting and will be massive changes.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
617
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Posted - 2015.06.20 07:50:00 -
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What I don't get is WHY they don't say anything about this! There's a new thread about PS4/PC port every single day, and they NEVER react. They don't say a word. WHY ???
CCP, if you think it's a good community management then you're wrong (AGAIN). If you honestly don't know what's gonna happen to Dust in the future, if you don't know if Legion will ever be released then SAY IT.
Stop beeing shy about this, you're killing your own game doing this. And adding AUR stuffs in mass will not save it if no one's left to play with it.
WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
385
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Posted - 2015.06.20 07:55:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:thor424 wrote:
Yet as player numbers drop, revenue drops. Everything we are led to believe is that Dust is getting the work it's getting because it's making money.
I agree that time is of the essence. The longer the silence the more people lose faith and believe the silence is to wring the last drop from the playerbase before the inevitable.
But they have already stated otherwise. Several times. Including a comment from Frame today. They are working on PC 2.0, Power Cores, and HP/Speed curve. Just the first two are heavy lifting and will be massive changes.
Changes to the existing meta are fine. Still won't detract from the fact that every game type and game mode are essentially the same thing. There is nothing else to do in dust other than hack points.
The main pull of the game is having a laugh with folks in your corp imo.
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
I don't care so neither should you :)
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DeadlyAztec11
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
8
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Posted - 2015.06.20 09:26:00 -
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From a practical point of view there isn't a need for the company to let the community know. At the end of the day the company is the one that has to do it.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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