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thor424
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:38:00 -
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The worst part about those numbers is that people are logging into alts for labs, scamming, etc. like never before.
That's kind of the weirdest part about the people still being so passive in game. You'd think everyone would yolo and play balls out.
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thor424
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:21:00 -
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It's hard to watch a company that's sitting on such a goldmine continue to sit on their hands while their playerbase dwindles away.
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thor424
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Posted - 2015.06.20 03:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again. You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed. CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures.
I don't know how people continue with the "they don't want to commit without being able to deliver" mantra.
It's becoming harder and harder to have quality matches as the playerbase drops. I'll be here until the end, but the writing is on the wall if they continue to stay silent. I think they'll have to announce something by the end of summer. |
thor424
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Posted - 2015.06.20 04:55:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:thor424 wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again. You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed. CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures. I don't know how people continue with the "they don't want to commit without being able to deliver" mantra. It's becoming harder and harder to have quality matches as the playerbase drops. I'll be here until the end, but the writing is on the wall if they continue to stay silent. I think they'll have to announce something by the end of summer. They can't keep people here with promises anymore. Even if we know they will pull through. If I know I am going to be frustrated, I won't play. Doesn't matter if I know a week from now things will change. CCP wasting time chatting us up won't bring the changes faster. In fact time spent explaining everything clearly and without inflaming ire would take time. When time is of the essence, and given the numbers drop it is, its more important to buckle down and get it done as soon as possible. Only when the game is fun again will peope play longer and more often, and end their breaks.
Yet as player numbers drop, revenue drops. Everything we are led to believe is that Dust is getting the work it's getting because it's making money.
I agree that time is of the essence. The longer the silence the more people lose faith and believe the silence is to wring the last drop from the playerbase before the inevitable. |
thor424
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Posted - 2015.06.20 14:20:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:thor424 wrote:
Yet as player numbers drop, revenue drops. Everything we are led to believe is that Dust is getting the work it's getting because it's making money.
I agree that time is of the essence. The longer the silence the more people lose faith and believe the silence is to wring the last drop from the playerbase before the inevitable.
But they have already stated otherwise. Several times. Including a comment from Frame today. They are working on PC 2.0, Power Cores, and HP/Speed curve. Just the first two are heavy lifting and will be massive changes.
K, you keep trying to convince me. I think you just made 27 people stick around. SMH
It's the long term uncertainty and the silence. It's the frustration of dealing with a game that's pushing this hardware to its limits. |
thor424
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Posted - 2015.06.20 14:26:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:From a practical point of view there isn't a need for the company to let the community know. At the end of the day the company is the one that has to do it.
It's practical if you plan on letting it die.
It's unpractical to lose customers while you are working on the port.
I think most functional brains lead down those two paths. |
thor424
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Posted - 2015.06.20 14:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:thor424 wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Regis Blackbird wrote:CCP have already been burnt too many times with these statements, so I doubt they will do it again. You might read all the text, but the majority will skip words like "preliminary", "subject to change" etc and take it as a full blown promise (with hope to die...) What is the worst case scenario for some forumites misreading their statements? The player population dips? That ship has sailed. CCP should be letting us know, at least in general terms, what will happen to Dust 514. They are refusing to do so and players are attempting to make excuses for them. Humans are weird creatures. I don't know how people continue with the "they don't want to commit without being able to deliver" mantra. It's becoming harder and harder to have quality matches as the playerbase drops. I'll be here until the end, but the writing is on the wall if they continue to stay silent. I think they'll have to announce something by the end of summer. Actually, CCP has been recently giving us information especially when you look at the latest news on what is coming for the next hotfix, planetary conquest 2.0 for warlords 1.2 with the help of Rattati's think tank, trello boards showing changes coming in 1.2 that include fireteams, squads, and platoons, and so on. To be honest with you, there are are two things left unanswered by CCP. What will happen with certain BPOs like the APEX suits once Limited Tiericide is implemented? And when will Dust move on to a better platform (as a cross-platform gamer, I don't give a **** where it goes)? Those are the only two questions left to answer. Beyond that, CCP has been forthcoming overall with information and has consistently delivered ever since Rattati took over. I just wish he was in charge sooner when Dust was getting started. At this point, we are just going back and forth with the pointless debate on what CCP should be saying and what CCP shouldn't be saying and that is taking us nowhere. PS: In the end, no one here has any authority to force CCP to say something about it. That is up to CCP to decide. Just let the writing on the walls do that for us. The walls don't need us for that.
People are doing something about it. They are quitting the game.
There is NOTHING to gain by being silent if you plan on porting. Get that through your head. There IS something to gain by remaining silent if you plan on doing hotfixes until Dust dies with the PS3. Why is it so hard for people to see this?
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.20 19:55:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:thor424 wrote:K, you keep trying to convince me. I think you just made 27 people stick around. SMH
It's the long term uncertainty and the silence. It's the frustration of dealing with a game that's pushing this hardware to its limits. And what good would it be to port a broken, unbalanced, and frustrating game to a new system? Not all the games problems are due to hardware constraints. PC had exploits that ruined the economy. While weapons and suits are better balanced, there is still quite a ways to go. Porting this game to another system too soon will only ensure its failure the next iteration, and thus for the long term. They have to get the fundamentals right before doing anything else.
PC exploits benefited so few, that's an old and tired excuse.
How the heck would you know what's balanced and what isn't when 90% of pubs are borefests? You just aren't digesting the core issue, people are leaving the game in droves.
We know they must be doing something. 18 months ago they started working on Legion and had a playable demo for FF. that was what 13 months ago? Rouge still works for CCP, he's been doing something. It's just mind boggling that people still come up with excuses for CCP staying silent.
I'll say it again, the ONLY thing to gain by staying silent is to keep the Dust player base spending money until they pull the plug. |
thor424
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Posted - 2015.06.20 19:56:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:One Eyed King wrote:And what good would it be to port a broken, unbalanced, and frustrating game to a new system?
Not all the games problems are due to hardware constraints.
PC had exploits that ruined the economy.
While weapons and suits are better balanced, there is still quite a ways to go.
Porting this game to another system too soon will only ensure its failure the next iteration, and thus for the long term.
They have to get the fundamentals right before doing anything else. We could sit here with our thumb up our butts saying "Dust isn't ready yet! It needs more X, it needs more Y! We must balance Z first!" for years. Every month that goes by we lose more players to boredom and next gen platforms. It won't be long before our PEAK numbers will be sub-1,000. When player numbers start dipping that low the profitability of Dust plummets. What do you think will happen to Dust when it isn't generating a profit? What it is that you want? For CCP to be struck with analysis paralysis until they shutdown Dust without porting?
Our numbers are already sub 1000. If they deleted warbarges at downtime the numbers would be pathetic. |
thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.20 19:57:00 -
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Combat Placenta wrote:One Eyed King wrote: And what good would it be to port a broken, unbalanced, and frustrating game to a new system?
Not all the games problems are due to hardware constraints.
PC had exploits that ruined the economy.
While weapons and suits are better balanced, there is still quite a ways to go.
Porting this game to another system too soon will only ensure its failure the next iteration, and thus for the long term.
They have to get the fundamentals right before doing anything else.
I completely agree with and support all of this 100%
You two will be well versed in each other's tactics fighting each other 1v1 match after match. |
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.20 20:16:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:thor424 wrote:One Eyed King wrote:thor424 wrote:K, you keep trying to convince me. I think you just made 27 people stick around. SMH
It's the long term uncertainty and the silence. It's the frustration of dealing with a game that's pushing this hardware to its limits. And what good would it be to port a broken, unbalanced, and frustrating game to a new system? Not all the games problems are due to hardware constraints. PC had exploits that ruined the economy. While weapons and suits are better balanced, there is still quite a ways to go. Porting this game to another system too soon will only ensure its failure the next iteration, and thus for the long term. They have to get the fundamentals right before doing anything else. PC exploits benefited so few, that's an old and tired excuse. How the heck would you know what's balanced and what isn't when 90% of pubs are borefests? You just aren't digesting the core issue, people are leaving the game in droves. We know they must be doing something. 18 months ago they started working on Legion and had a playable demo for FF. that was what 13 months ago? Rouge still works for CCP, he's been doing something. It's just mind boggling that people still come up with excuses for CCP staying silent. I'll say it again, the ONLY thing to gain by staying silent is to keep the Dust player base spending money until they pull the plug. I will be more possitive. There is still no reason to have this apocalyptic talks. CCP stated how succesfull Dust is and how they want to support it. Anyway i still have in mind Rattati and his talk how racial Vehicles and Weapons are still more important than building in dust 514. Ergo i think they want to still work here than somewhere else. I've never been apocalyptic about Dust outside of a few weeks after FF 2014).
The numbers tell the story. The game has never been more balanced. There's player trading. There's APEX suits that provide the opportunity to make lots of ISK without being fodder in matches.
It's an old platform on which this game puts a lot of stress. People aren't willing to keep patching their system with duct tape for people to leave battle and hide in the redline for a majority of the matches they play. It seems the only people left are those that think the person that's lost the least in battle and the have the most in their wallet when the game dies win some prize.
Jara could start giving virtual BJ's, but people still just want to know the future. The faith is waning. It's absolutely amazing that it's lasted this long. |
thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.20 20:27:00 -
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Frontline suits and militia are better? |
thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.21 20:46:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
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Soooo? More ram means more room for working maps , 32 v 32 , 64 v 64, more fun weapons, more fun game modes besides stale pc, custom suit and vehicle name plates i.E. Irunz you over, special ammunition , So extra ram means less time spent doing thread and core stack balancing In other words a more capable platform means less dev time spent trying to get stable code locked at 1080p 30 fps Comprende? You are not looking at the bigger picture here that One Eyed King is trying to show you. If you look at Dust 514 at its core it is, by design, a fundamentally inefficient product that is poorly optimized that somehow needs an excessive amount of ram to even run properly when proper optimization would eliminate that waste. Sure, porting it over to the PS4 will solve that problem but that solution will be the ONLY thing it solves. Porting Dust over to the PS4 will not solve balance issues. Porting will not address the Gallente Lag Facility or the Internal Error Message you get when going into the MCC Construction Facility. And it will definitely NEVER solve the problem with Scotty acting like a complete **** with matchmaking that looks like it's handled by Trevor Phillips from Grand Theft Auto V. If you at least bother to look under the hood of Dust 514, you will see that the majority of the problems Dust has is rooted deep into it's programming and NOT the hardware. I just don't understand why people think that porting Dust 514 as it is to the PS4 would help at all. If CCP ports Dust over right now, CCP will risk shooting itself in the foot AGAIN because the players in the PS4 market will not look at Dust's good side but will definitely look into and make a big stink about its bad sides. I can see the negative reviews already. Imagine: Game Informer - DUST 514 ON PS4 IS A FLOP: BAD DESIGN IGN - DUST 514 FAILS TO DELIVER IN THE PC BECAUSE OF BAD DESIGN KOTAKU - DUST 514 ON PS4 IS NOW BUST 514: MORE BUGS THAN IN STARSHIP TROOPERS It will not be a pretty picture and then Dust will go the way of World of Darkness. I would rather CCP fix a lot of the coding first and then move it over to the next platform when it's ready.
Why wouldn't something like the Gal Lab facility perform better with better hardware?
The alternative to porting is death on the PS3. Why do people have such a hard time with the concept of nothing to lose?
Staying silent on the future while trying to find crafty ways to eek out a little more performance on the PS3 only perpetuates the declining player numbers.
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thor424
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:05:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:[u][b]again problems related to lack of cpu power and system memory that new game modes and new maps will fix on a properly running system source code the same as haveing more game modes fixes the not haveing fun problema and the leaving match problema due to the not haveing fun problem
source code optimization is much easier on 8 gigs of ram as opposed to a limited 512 mb in two shared pools that really leaves 256 mb to work with with out extensive shared pools optimization
you can recompile code for more stability at the expense of a bit more ram needed but if it needs 900mb its a no go on the ps3 and a lol! get it done on 8 gigs of ram You didn't answer any of my questions. HINT: I expect a simple "yes" or "no" answer to each of my questions.
There's no way to know how the matchmaking would work if there were enough players around that actually participated in matches. It seems a majority of the players who've hung around are hoarders that simply can't stop hoarding.
I believe this system could have worked well when there were 4K players everyday.
Seems strange for a dude who is always on CCP's jock to be so down on their abilities. |
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