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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2015.05.08 08:30:00 -
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The design decision to make this game on PS3 is questionable indeed. Developing a multiplayer game on a platform with lacking CPU (not GPU) performance is probably causing the game to bottleneck heavily. Just google "BF4 multiplayer CPU" and you will understand what I mean. Same bottleneck will apply to a PS4 port probably.
When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?!
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
395
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Posted - 2015.05.08 08:36:00 -
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I'm ready sure but are the devs? there is only rattati and his team in CCP who gives a **** about dust at this point. Profits from this game are probably just used by Hilmar as pocket change
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.08 08:59:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:The design decision to make this game on PS3 is questionable indeed. Developing a multiplayer game on a platform with lacking CPU (not GPU) performance is probably causing the game to bottleneck heavily. Just google "BF4 multiplayer CPU" and you will understand what I mean. Same bottleneck will apply to a PS4 port probably.
When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?!
I can think of no dumber thing that CCP could attempt to do.... than bring Dust to the PC.
They would literally have no way to ensure the server's status.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
Dust to Dust
Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:04:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:The design decision to make this game on PS3 is questionable indeed. Developing a multiplayer game on a platform with lacking CPU (not GPU) performance is probably causing the game to bottleneck heavily. Just google "BF4 multiplayer CPU" and you will understand what I mean. Same bottleneck will apply to a PS4 port probably.
When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?! I can think of no dumber thing that CCP could attempt to do.... than bring Dust to the PC. They would literally have no way to ensure the server's status.
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat are you talking about?
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:06:00 -
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I think a port to PS4 would make much more sense given our established community, but either way Dust needs to go x86.
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:15:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I think a port to PS4 would make much more sense given our established community, but either way Dust needs to go x86.
In a perfect world, we would see the next gen EVE FPS being developed in DirectX 12/Vulkan API. That would enable HUGE fights in multiplayer, like 1000 vs 1000 players.
EVE is an obvious game that would benefit greatly from DX12 as well, I hope CCP are already exploring that route. ;)
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:28:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat are you talking about?
Consoles are SOOOO much easier to program for, that it's almost not even funny.
First thing you have to realize, is that consoles have a locked down environment, meaning... cheating is much easier to detect, because anything outside of the norm is instantly flagable.
On a PC, however, there can be background programs that cause slight unintended interference, so searching for deviation of the norm is not as clear cut.
Not to mention that when using a PC, you now have access to tools that can show you where the server for your game is. This basically means that someone could find the server and disrupt communications to it, possibly slowing down connections to and from, or even finding specific people connected to said server and just punking them down when targeted.
You also have to program to be compatible with multiple types of computer cores single, double, quad, etc... then, single and multi-threading, then choose which demographic will be left out of what features, potentially forcing some groups to have to use lower quality graphics in order to keep speed up.
This also must be done with the graphics cards.
While the core programming usually works fine across all systems, if there is a performance issue such as (for example) a certain type of card causes massive tearing when running your specialized events, then you have to launch a very specific patch to assist that card with proper rendering... unless it's in such a minority that you just don't care..
On a console, the graphics don't have to be incredibly advanced, because people know "it's a console". While on the PC, you have to hyper-diagram the upper end of all textures so that the eyeball huggers (who don't play the game well BTW cause they're staring at everything) can have their pretty princess moments and proclaim about the graphics etc.
PC also have to be worried about data forgery hacks etc. while consoles don't really, because the normality system usually catches such things.
PC's also have to have their own cheat detection system based around what they have in the game, and how the items are naturally used.... this means you can copy some other shooter's anti-cheat code for the core, but you still need to make your own checks for everything unique that you add to your game.
Now.... lets's look at the Developer pool...
How many people are there? And if Consoles are faster and simpler to program for, how long will a patch or update on the PC take?
What staff can they afford to watch the anti-cheat programming as it works to determine if a new hack was created, or if it's junk data?
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
Dust to Dust
Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
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Georgia Xavier
Y.A.M.A.H
395
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:59:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat are you talking about?
Consoles are SOOOO much easier to program for, that it's almost not even funny. First thing you have to realize, is that consoles have a locked down environment, meaning... cheating is much easier to detect, because anything outside of the norm is instantly flagable. On a PC, however, there can be background programs that cause slight unintended interference, so searching for deviation of the norm is not as clear cut. Not to mention that when using a PC, you now have access to tools that can show you where the server for your game is. This basically means that someone could find the server and disrupt communications to it, possibly slowing down connections to and from, or even finding specific people connected to said server and just punking them down when targeted. You also have to program to be compatible with multiple types of computer cores single, double, quad, etc... then, single and multi-threading, then choose which demographic will be left out of what features, potentially forcing some groups to have to use lower quality graphics in order to keep speed up. This also must be done with the graphics cards. While the core programming usually works fine across all systems, if there is a performance issue such as (for example) a certain type of card causes massive tearing when running your specialized events, then you have to launch a very specific patch to assist that card with proper rendering... unless it's in such a minority that you just don't care.. On a console, the graphics don't have to be incredibly advanced, because people know "it's a console". While on the PC, you have to hyper-diagram the upper end of all textures so that the eyeball huggers (who don't play the game well BTW cause they're staring at everything) can have their pretty princess moments and proclaim about the graphics etc. PC also have to be worried about data forgery hacks etc. while consoles don't really, because the normality system usually catches such things. PC's also have to have their own cheat detection system based around what they have in the game, and how the items are naturally used.... this means you can copy some other shooter's anti-cheat code for the core, but you still need to make your own checks for everything unique that you add to your game. Now.... lets's look at the Developer pool... How many people are there? And if Consoles are faster and simpler to program for, how long will a patch or update on the PC take? What staff can they afford to watch the anti-cheat programming as it works to determine if a new hack was created, or if it's junk data?
Eve is on pc and it's going smoothly compared to dust which is on a console and is barely even alive at this point. Say what you want,explain what you must but you can not deny CCP is better at programming and developing on the PC compared to consoles. And in games I have played where there is a PC and console version it is the PC version who gets updated first. One example is warframe. To say that consoles are much easier for the devs to develop games on is just plain ignorance. How many indie games out there are on the PC rather than on consoles?
Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1352
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:23:00 -
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Too late for that.
Their team and budget are too small.
Caldari Loyalist
thecreaturehub fan
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
16443
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:38:00 -
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While the PS4's CPU isn't top dog, it's far from not being able to handle whatever CCP throws at it within the vision they've shown.
Planetside 2 is well known for being a very CPU heavy game and yet it's being ported to PS4. I've played that version and it runs very very well.
The biggest limitation with the PS3 is actually the memory. 512MB is just lol by today's standards.
The PS4 on the other hand has 8GB of GDDR5 memory, very fast memory usually used for GPU's.
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1652
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:51:00 -
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If ps4 cant handle legion how does it even play valkyerie
#FORUMLOGIC
"Dust came into New Eden with a hugeass battle, Dust can leave New Eden with a hugeass battle" Scheneighnay McBob
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3143
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:00:00 -
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More than that, It is a matter of audience: would you ever make a game that would drive away players from your other game?
PS4 is actually a "closed PC". no strange architecture, nothing exotic, just a normal dedicated PC: if they're good at doing games on PC, they'll be good making games on PS4.
Moreover...8GB GDDR5 unified memory is something that all of the developers would love.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9931
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:02:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?! Dust 514 (PC) or Legion, whatever you choose to call it, would be so welcome right now... This PS3 just can't keep up.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:05:00 -
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Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9931
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:05:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? Commies.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
16443
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:08:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? Commies.
Da comrade?
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Corbina Ninja
ItalPetrolCemeTermoTessilFarmaMetalChimica
1288
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
he?
«Questa è l'Italia del futuro: un paese di musichette mentre fuori c'è la morte.»
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3146
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
I don't know if you know him, but it's probably this guy
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9934
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Da comrade? Comrade cat, capitalist pig make komputer for many hurting of glorious Communist party.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
16446
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:11:00 -
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I am amused that both of the above comments are exactly the same, and they happened at the same time ^
Edit: Dammit Ripple!
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
16446
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:13:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Da comrade? Comrade cat, capitalist pig make komputer for many hurting of glorious Communist party.
Comrade Ripple, do of shootings WorkStation4's at capitalist pigs! Glorious Communist party make hurting back!
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9934
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:17:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Comrade Ripple, do of shootings WorkStation4's at capitalist pigs! Glorious Communist party make hurting back! I am pullings the triggers as hard as can, comrade!!!
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6310
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:11:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:The design decision to make this game on PS3 is questionable indeed. Developing a multiplayer game on a platform with lacking CPU (not GPU) performance is probably causing the game to bottleneck heavily. Just google "BF4 multiplayer CPU" and you will understand what I mean. Same bottleneck will apply to a PS4 port probably.
When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?! I can think of no dumber thing that CCP could attempt to do.... than bring Dust to the PC. They would literally have no way to ensure the server's status. Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat are you talking about?
The fact that moving the game off of the PSN effectively removes it from many of the people who play it right now who aren't PC gamers.
The stated intent of this game back in 2009 was to bring console players into New Eden and allow both PC and Console gamers to cooperate in the same universe. I think that's one of the best facets of this game, and moving it to PC would just be a cop-out.
I more than support a platform upgrade, but I think that should be on the PS4 in recognition of all of us who have made Dust profitable on PS3 right now. I think we have "proven ourselves worthy" of being heavily considered in terms of the next platform Dust moves to.
And I"m not saying that in terms of money spent. We've done a lot of things in this game as it is right now, made a lot of neat stories to tell. We've seen Corporations rise and fall, some of them clans that came over from other games.
Some of those clans have even stuck around after 2014's FanFest, and some are even coming back now that CCP Rattati is at the helm.
I want this world to stay in the hands of the players who helped make it what it is right now, and where it is is a MUCH better place than it was 8 months ago. Much of that is owed to the decision to give Dust to Rattati, but some of the credit also goes to all of us who stuck around, all the people who are coming back, and all the new people that braved the Academy and the first couple stomps and have put the effort in to learn how to play the game.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:18:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:The design decision to make this game on PS3 is questionable indeed. Developing a multiplayer game on a platform with lacking CPU (not GPU) performance is probably causing the game to bottleneck heavily. Just google "BF4 multiplayer CPU" and you will understand what I mean. Same bottleneck will apply to a PS4 port probably.
When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?! I can think of no dumber thing that CCP could attempt to do.... than bring Dust to the PC. They would literally have no way to ensure the server's status. Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat are you talking about? The fact that moving the game off of the PSN effectively removes it from many of the people who play it right now who aren't PC gamers. The stated intent of this game back in 2009 was to bring console players into New Eden and allow both PC and Console gamers to cooperate in the same universe. I think that's one of the best facets of this game, and moving it to PC would just be a cop-out. I more than support a platform upgrade, but I think that should be on the PS4 in recognition of all of us who have made Dust profitable on PS3 right now. I think we have "proven ourselves worthy" of being heavily considered in terms of the next platform Dust moves to. And I"m not saying that in terms of money spent. We've done a lot of things in this game as it is right now, made a lot of neat stories to tell. We've seen Corporations rise and fall, some of them clans that came over from other games. Some of those clans have even stuck around after 2014's FanFest, and some are even coming back now that CCP Rattati is at the helm. I want this world to stay in the hands of the players who helped make it what it is right now, and where it is is a MUCH better place than it was 8 months ago. Much of that is owed to the decision to give Dust to Rattati, but some of the credit also goes to all of us who stuck around, all the people who are coming back, and all the new people that braved the Academy and the first couple stomps and have put the effort in to learn how to play the game.
Da comrade
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3091
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:32:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
I just wish you guys (royal "you" -- this is probably above your pay grade) would start talking about the long-term plans. Don't develop a port in a secrecy bubble.
Best PvE idea ever!
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3149
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Posted - 2015.05.08 14:52:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? I just wish you guys (royal "you" -- this is probably above your pay grade) would start talking about the long-term plans. Don't develop a port in a secrecy bubble.
And, I'd add, if you are actually going to develop anything, please, let us know what platform you chose.
Spill the beans ratman- remember, psychic damage is super effective over normal type
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8456
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:31:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
You realize this is the closest anyone's come to admitting a desire to see DUST move in CCP to date.
Confirming that I will be composing a goonspiracy based entirely on this post later.
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
3188
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:37:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
AMD A10 6800k
Gigabyte GA-F2A55M-HD2
HyperX 1600 8GB RAM
Cheap, but proud of it because I built it myself. At least the APU is clocked at 4Ghz.
Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
11592
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:44:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:The design decision to make this game on PS3 is questionable indeed. Developing a multiplayer game on a platform with lacking CPU (not GPU) performance is probably causing the game to bottleneck heavily. Just google "BF4 multiplayer CPU" and you will understand what I mean. Same bottleneck will apply to a PS4 port probably.
When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?! I can think of no dumber thing that CCP could attempt to do.... than bring Dust to the PC. They would literally have no way to ensure the server's status. Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat are you talking about? The fact that moving the game off of the PSN effectively removes it from many of the people who play it right now who aren't PC gamers. The stated intent of this game back in 2009 was to bring console players into New Eden and allow both PC and Console gamers to cooperate in the same universe. I think that's one of the best facets of this game, and moving it to PC would just be a cop-out. I more than support a platform upgrade, but I think that should be on the PS4 in recognition of all of us who have made Dust profitable on PS3 right now. I think we have "proven ourselves worthy" of being heavily considered in terms of the next platform Dust moves to. And I"m not saying that in terms of money spent. We've done a lot of things in this game as it is right now, made a lot of neat stories to tell. We've seen Corporations rise and fall, some of them clans that came over from other games. Some of those clans have even stuck around after 2014's FanFest, and some are even coming back now that CCP Rattati is at the helm. I want this world to stay in the hands of the players who helped make it what it is right now, and where it is is a MUCH better place than it was 8 months ago. Much of that is owed to the decision to give Dust to Rattati, but some of the credit also goes to all of us who stuck around, all the people who are coming back, and all the new people that braved the Academy and the first couple stomps and have put the effort in to learn how to play the game.
I agree heavily on this even though I don't mind Dust being ported over to the PC either. If the game could do both the PC and the PS4 that would fantastic, but we all know that is wishful thinking.
I understand now why going to the PS4 is important for Dust. A lot of players here have invested a lot in this game in the PS3. Many of which originated from the MAG community which shutdown some time ago so they flocked to Dust because it was the closest thing to MAG they could find. It was easy for them to move over to Dust because they already had a PSN account established. If Dust moves over to the PS4, all the better for the same reason only this time they can also carry their progress in Dust from the PS3 to the PS4 without a problem because the data on the characters they have is stored and managed within CCP's servers.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3150
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:16:00 -
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Just donated 10 Gé¼ to the ps4 cause. (yeah, it's just a bump)
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Celus Ivara
DUST University
Ivy League
364
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:22:00 -
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One interesting thing about Dust is that it's basically an early access game.
A living Alpha where the community plays and helps build the experiance.
While this is an asset for the final game, we should acknowledge doing a classical launch of something unfinished would be a disaster (something we've already done once  ).
I think the ideal business path for Dust would be to go to PC; let it cook over there a year or so while the bunnies play it and advise while the missing features/content get put in. Then port the full game over to PS4 when we know we can make a splash.
As a case study, a lot of the launch woes of Planetside 2 were absorbed during the PC launch, so when it finally made its way to PS4 it was in an excellent shape and has had a pretty solid launch.
PC crowds are very aware and accepting of early access; I suspect the same isn't true for the PS4 community. |
Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
132
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:29:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I think a port to PS4 would make much more sense given our established community, but either way Dust needs to go x86. In a perfect world, we would see the next gen EVE FPS being developed in DirectX 12/Vulkan API. That would enable HUGE fights in multiplayer, like 1000 vs 1000 players. EVE is an obvious game that would benefit greatly from DX12 as well, I hope CCP are already exploring that route. ;)
Assuming we have the player base for such fights. It would be embarrassing to be able to have 1k v 1k fights, and only have a total of like 500 show up. :/
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3151
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:34:00 -
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Aiwha Bait wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I think a port to PS4 would make much more sense given our established community, but either way Dust needs to go x86. In a perfect world, we would see the next gen EVE FPS being developed in DirectX 12/Vulkan API. That would enable HUGE fights in multiplayer, like 1000 vs 1000 players. EVE is an obvious game that would benefit greatly from DX12 as well, I hope CCP are already exploring that route. ;) Assuming we have the player base for such fights. It would be embarrassing to be able to have 1k v 1k fights, and only have a total of like 500 show up. :/
Considering how the actual Dust514 is, it will be an endless cold war, where no faction will ever push
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
1150
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:49:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
Rattati, promise me something: When Dust gets a PC port, make sure it's the best FPS the world has ever seen. |
Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
132
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:02:00 -
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Celus Ivara wrote:One interesting thing about Dust is that it's basically an early access game. A living Alpha where the community plays and helps build the experiance. While this is an asset for the final game, we should acknowledge doing a classical launch of something unfinished would be a disaster (something we've already done once ). I think the ideal business path for Dust would be to go to PC; let it cook over there a year or so while the bunnies play it and advise while the missing features/content get put in. Then port the full game over to PS4 when we know we can make a splash. As a case study, a lot of the launch woes of Planetside 2 were absorbed during the PC launch, so when it finally made its way to PS4 it was in an excellent shape and has had a pretty solid launch. PC crowds are very aware and accepting of early access; I suspect the same isn't true for the PS4 community.
Or just keep it on PC? They already have the architecture for it w/ the seemingly dead Project Legion. Why move to PC and then have to port to PS4? There's something like 6 people (give or take like 1 person, maybe) working on this game. Less work for them if we move just once. Plus, if it goes to PC, a lot of EVE players would be more willing to play it, I think. They dont wanna buy a console just to play one game.
I try to play this game, I just suck at it. Writer for Biomassed
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Moochie Cricket
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
1189
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:22:00 -
[36] - Quote
How about we move Dust to a platform that consistently improves over time (PC) instead of platform that will be obsolete in a few years (PS4).
FOR THE STATE
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3505
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Posted - 2015.05.08 19:17:00 -
[37] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
Got a 6 core 12 threaded i7 with one GTX 980 right now, will add another (and possibly third) GTX 980 in the future.
My nvidia g-sync 144Hz monitor makes baby jesus cry. Its the best thing I have evr experienced since i got my first 3d acceleating card (voodoo 2) as a 12/13 year old. Damn, that is a long time ago now that I think about it.
Have you tried g-sync Rattati?
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3505
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Posted - 2015.05.08 19:20:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? AMD A10 6800k Gigabyte GA-F2A55M-HD2 HyperX 1600 8GB RAM Cheap, but proud of it because I built it myself. At least the APU is clocked at 4Ghz.
That PC will probably beat ps4 in performance, when DX12 is released (in DX12-compatible games at least).
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3505
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Posted - 2015.05.08 19:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:While the PS4's CPU isn't top dog, it's far from not being able to handle whatever CCP throws at it within the vision they've shown.
Planetside 2 is well known for being a very CPU heavy game and yet it's being ported to PS4. I've played that version and it runs very very well.
The biggest limitation with the PS3 is actually the memory. 512MB is just lol by today's standards.
The PS4 on the other hand has 8GB of GDDR5 memory, very fast memory usually used for GPU's.
Planetside 2 is single core CPU heavy, it is not well multithreaded.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
205
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Posted - 2015.05.08 20:23:00 -
[40] - Quote
I'm ready for Dust on PC =ƒÿë |
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
287
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:42:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:
The fact that moving the game off of the PSN effectively removes it from many of the people who play it right now who aren't PC gamers.
The stated intent of this game back in 2009 was to bring console players into New Eden and allow both PC and Console gamers to cooperate in the same universe. I think that's one of the best facets of this game, and moving it to PC would just be a cop-out.
I more than support a platform upgrade, but I think that should be on the PS4 in recognition of all of us who have made Dust profitable on PS3 right now. I think we have "proven ourselves worthy" of being heavily considered in terms of the next platform Dust moves to.
And I"m not saying that in terms of money spent. We've done a lot of things in this game as it is right now, made a lot of neat stories to tell. We've seen Corporations rise and fall, some of them clans that came over from other games.
Some of those clans have even stuck around after 2014's FanFest, and some are even coming back now that CCP Rattati is at the helm.
I want this world to stay in the hands of the players who helped make it what it is right now, and where it is is a MUCH better place than it was 8 months ago. Much of that is owed to the decision to give Dust to Rattati, but some of the credit also goes to all of us who stuck around, all the people who are coming back, and all the new people that braved the Academy and the first couple stomps and have put the effort in to learn how to play the game.
How many people have a PS3 and PC? do we have those figures? because till we do this is a dumb point.
moving it to PC would be a cop out? Dust never became what it was suppose to be due to the limitations of the console. just look at the trailer for dust 514 again. what were playing is not what's in that trailer.
look at it this way. if they made legion on PC and dust 514 port to PS4 what game would be better and attract a larger audience?
theres no question. PC would lead to a better game, PC would be updated allmost every day. PC would have a stronger link to EVE. and i mean this is an actual practical sense. linking the 2 games would be simple. they made a mistake with the console once. why would they do it again?
n++pâçGòÉS+Ç 28+ Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç
Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
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REDBACK96USMC
To Test Tickles
161
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:47:00 -
[42] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
*Raises hand*
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6320
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:51:00 -
[43] - Quote
Cypher Nil wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:
The fact that moving the game off of the PSN effectively removes it from many of the people who play it right now who aren't PC gamers.
The stated intent of this game back in 2009 was to bring console players into New Eden and allow both PC and Console gamers to cooperate in the same universe. I think that's one of the best facets of this game, and moving it to PC would just be a cop-out.
I more than support a platform upgrade, but I think that should be on the PS4 in recognition of all of us who have made Dust profitable on PS3 right now. I think we have "proven ourselves worthy" of being heavily considered in terms of the next platform Dust moves to.
And I"m not saying that in terms of money spent. We've done a lot of things in this game as it is right now, made a lot of neat stories to tell. We've seen Corporations rise and fall, some of them clans that came over from other games.
Some of those clans have even stuck around after 2014's FanFest, and some are even coming back now that CCP Rattati is at the helm.
I want this world to stay in the hands of the players who helped make it what it is right now, and where it is is a MUCH better place than it was 8 months ago. Much of that is owed to the decision to give Dust to Rattati, but some of the credit also goes to all of us who stuck around, all the people who are coming back, and all the new people that braved the Academy and the first couple stomps and have put the effort in to learn how to play the game.
How many people have a PS3 and PC? do we have those figures? because till we do this is a dumb point. moving it to PC would be a cop out? Dust never became what it was suppose to be due to the limitations of the console. just look at the trailer for dust 514 again. what were playing is not what's in that trailer. look at it this way. if they made legion on PC and dust 514 port to PS4 what game would be better and attract a larger audience? theres no question. PC would lead to a better game, PC would be updated allmost every day. PC would have a stronger link to EVE. and i mean this is an actual practical sense. linking the 2 games would be simple. they made a mistake with the console once. why would they do it again?
O
So we're all just a mistake?
Everything we've accomplished doesn't matter?
You do realize that what happened to Dust isn't exactly a secret? If they combine having launched the game in a terrible way like they did with having removed it from all the people who currently play it, you really think everyone will just go "sucks to be them" and start putting money into Legion?
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
1221
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:18:00 -
[44] - Quote
They're obviously not in rapid-development mode right now just to let this game die in the coming months.
I think they are developing as rapidly as possibly as to have the best starting-point on wherever this game goes from here.
The question is where?
Does it become Legion on PC?
Does it get ported to PS4 as Dust 2.0?
Does CCP resolve legal BS and release this game on BOTH current Gen consoles as the first cross-console shooter ever?
Either way, if there weren't plans for the continuation of Dust, then there is no way CCP would have pushed out all the content we've gotten in the past few months.
CCP's silence on the matter is peculiar though, leads me to think a lot is still up in the air.
Who cares what some sniper has to say.
**--CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles-
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8462
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:32:00 -
[45] - Quote
REDBACK96USMC wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? *Raises hand* I do not want to see how fast Scotty can screw it all up............
there's a running bounty in EVE numbering in the trillions for the person who video records the event when they convince Scotty to kill himself.
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
287
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:47:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat are you talking about?
Consoles are SOOOO much easier to program for, that it's almost not even funny. First thing you have to realize, is that consoles have a locked down environment, meaning... cheating is much easier to detect, because anything outside of the norm is instantly flagable. On a PC, however, there can be background programs that cause slight unintended interference, so searching for deviation of the norm is not as clear cut. Not to mention that when using a PC, you now have access to tools that can show you where the server for your game is. This basically means that someone could find the server and disrupt communications to it, possibly slowing down connections to and from, or even finding specific people connected to said server and just punking them down when targeted. You also have to program to be compatible with multiple types of computer cores single, double, quad, etc... then, single and multi-threading, then choose which demographic will be left out of what features, potentially forcing some groups to have to use lower quality graphics in order to keep speed up. This also must be done with the graphics cards. While the core programming usually works fine across all systems, if there is a performance issue such as (for example) a certain type of card causes massive tearing when running your specialized events, then you have to launch a very specific patch to assist that card with proper rendering... unless it's in such a minority that you just don't care.. On a console, the graphics don't have to be incredibly advanced, because people know "it's a console". While on the PC, you have to hyper-diagram the upper end of all textures so that the eyeball huggers (who don't play the game well BTW cause they're staring at everything) can have their pretty princess moments and proclaim about the graphics etc. PC also have to be worried about data forgery hacks etc. while consoles don't really, because the normality system usually catches such things. PC's also have to have their own cheat detection system based around what they have in the game, and how the items are naturally used.... this means you can copy some other shooter's anti-cheat code for the core, but you still need to make your own checks for everything unique that you add to your game. Now.... lets's look at the Developer pool... How many people are there? And if Consoles are faster and simpler to program for, how long will a patch or update on the PC take? What staff can they afford to watch the anti-cheat programming as it works to determine if a new hack was created, or if it's junk data?
CCP is a PC games developer, your just listing everything CCP are allready setup to take care of, has to be the dumbest attempt to back up a point i've ever seen
n++pâçGòÉS+Ç 28+ Million SP Merc n++pâçGòÉS+Ç
Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ Caldari Loyalist Gû¼Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1340
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:59:00 -
[47] - Quote
Georgia Xavier wrote:
Eve is on pc and it's going smoothly compared to dust which is on a console and is barely even alive at this point. Say what you want,explain what you must but you can not deny CCP is better at programming and developing on the PC compared to consoles. And in games I have played where there is a PC and console version it is the PC version who gets updated first. One example is warframe. To say that consoles are much easier for the devs to develop games on is just plain ignorance. How many indie games out there are on the PC rather than on consoles?
Nooooo. That you are soooo wrong on. CCP has very little server power when it comes to engagements. in EVE, they have a system called "Time Dilation" basically put, the game becomes slower and slower as more people enter a region. The server cannot handle all of the trajectories and bullets etc, neither could most of the PC's if they brought it up to normal.
As for your question "How many indie games out there are on the PC rather than on consoles?"... after having helped to make a few bits and pieces of games myself I can ask you this question in return "Which platform has the largest and longest lasting playerbase?" Meaning.. I can start a game, and continually push it to an ideal state for more than 5-10 years if it's on PC, but if it's on a console.. it's usually one shot... well it used to be at least, but still the viable time is about 4 years. The longer a system can be on the market, the more streamlined you can make your product, and possibly improve the playerbase.
Indie gamers also have to ensure that their followers, regardless of how small, can probably operate the update, or a new game that they release down the line. A hop between consoles can loose a fair chunk, but a hop between PC generations... and all you really have to do is include lower graphics settings.
Even with all these advancements, it's still easier to troubleshoot Consoles, because... there are only 1-6 variants on the market at any time, which greatly reduces the "possible problem areas" that could arise, compared to the..... thousands of different variations that PC's have.
Another question: Did Warframe start as a Console game, or a PC game? Typically when developing the flagship platform gets all the updates first.
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
Dust to Dust
Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
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devjo88
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
No Context
53
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Posted - 2015.05.08 23:08:00 -
[48] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
a ps4 link would be great
efforts and courage are not good enough without purpose and direction
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
16486
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Posted - 2015.05.08 23:15:00 -
[49] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? AMD A10 6800k Gigabyte GA-F2A55M-HD2 HyperX 1600 8GB RAM Cheap, but proud of it because I built it myself. At least the APU is clocked at 4Ghz. That PC will probably beat ps4 in performance, when DX12 is released (in DX12-compatible games at least).
....No.
DX12 won't do any miracles, that APU doesn't even approach the graphical power that the PS4 has.
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
16486
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Posted - 2015.05.08 23:16:00 -
[50] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:Cat Merc wrote:While the PS4's CPU isn't top dog, it's far from not being able to handle whatever CCP throws at it within the vision they've shown.
Planetside 2 is well known for being a very CPU heavy game and yet it's being ported to PS4. I've played that version and it runs very very well.
The biggest limitation with the PS3 is actually the memory. 512MB is just lol by today's standards.
The PS4 on the other hand has 8GB of GDDR5 memory, very fast memory usually used for GPU's. Planetside 2 is single core CPU heavy, it is not well multithreaded.
So that's why running the game on anything less than a quad core is asking for trouble? 
"Breakin, PS3's and PS4's can't mate. They're incompatible. Unlike Apache's and Cappuccino machines." - Cat wisdom
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REDBACK96USMC
To Test Tickles
161
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Posted - 2015.05.08 23:26:00 -
[51] - Quote
Cat Merc wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? AMD A10 6800k Gigabyte GA-F2A55M-HD2 HyperX 1600 8GB RAM Cheap, but proud of it because I built it myself. At least the APU is clocked at 4Ghz. That PC will probably beat ps4 in performance, when DX12 is released (in DX12-compatible games at least). ....No. DX12 won't do any miracles, that APU doesn't even approach the graphical power that the PS4 has.
You say what now?
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1655
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Posted - 2015.05.08 23:32:00 -
[52] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:The design decision to make this game on PS3 is questionable indeed. Developing a multiplayer game on a platform with lacking CPU (not GPU) performance is probably causing the game to bottleneck heavily. Just google "BF4 multiplayer CPU" and you will understand what I mean. Same bottleneck will apply to a PS4 port probably.
When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?! I can think of no dumber thing that CCP could attempt to do.... than bring Dust to the PC. They would literally have no way to ensure the server's status. Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat are you talking about? The fact that moving the game off of the PSN effectively removes it from many of the people who play it right now who aren't PC gamers. The stated intent of this game back in 2009 was to bring console players into New Eden and allow both PC and Console gamers to cooperate in the same universe. I think that's one of the best facets of this game, and moving it to PC would just be a cop-out. I more than support a platform upgrade, but I think that should be on the PS4 in recognition of all of us who have made Dust profitable on PS3 right now. I think we have "proven ourselves worthy" of being heavily considered in terms of the next platform Dust moves to. And I"m not saying that in terms of money spent. We've done a lot of things in this game as it is right now, made a lot of neat stories to tell. We've seen Corporations rise and fall, some of them clans that came over from other games. Some of those clans have even stuck around after 2014's FanFest, and some are even coming back now that CCP Rattati is at the helm. I want this world to stay in the hands of the players who helped make it what it is right now, and where it is is a MUCH better place than it was 8 months ago. Much of that is owed to the decision to give Dust to Rattati, but some of the credit also goes to all of us who stuck around, all the people who are coming back, and all the new people that braved the Academy and the first couple stomps and have put the effort in to learn how to play the game. I agree heavily on this even though I don't mind Dust being ported over to the PC either. If the game could do both the PC and the PS4 that would fantastic, but we all know that is wishful thinking. I understand now why going to the PS4 is important for Dust. A lot of players here have invested a lot in this game in the PS3. Many of which originated from the MAG community which shutdown some time ago so they flocked to Dust because it was the closest thing to MAG they could find. It was easy for them to move over to Dust because they already had a PSN account established. If Dust moves over to the PS4, all the better for the same reason only this time they can also carry their progress in Dust from the PS3 to the PS4 without a problem because the data on the characters they have is stored and managed within CCP's servers.
I love you.No homo
"Dust came into New Eden with a hugeass battle, Dust can leave New Eden with a hugeass battle" Scheneighnay McBob
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3158
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Posted - 2015.05.09 00:39:00 -
[53] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
10x memory
is 512*10 = 5120
5+1+2+0 = 8
which is casually the memory a PS4 has-
Dust on PS4 Confirmed.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Diablo Gamekeeper
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
No Context
205
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Posted - 2015.05.09 00:43:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
i cant exactly afford anything else right now.......
It will be over soon, and when the Dust settles, no one will be left playing.
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Joseph Ridgeson
warravens
3989
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Posted - 2015.05.09 00:49:00 -
[55] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
So is this finally the "we are looking into it" or "we want to do it" that we have been waiting for?
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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jordy mack
warravens
438
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Posted - 2015.05.09 01:02:00 -
[56] - Quote
still cant believe some ppl dont own a pc.
it's 2015 c'mon, ask around someone will give u an old pc.
Less QQ more PewPew
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Zaria Min Deir
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
1389
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Posted - 2015.05.09 02:15:00 -
[57] - Quote
jordy mack wrote:still cant believe some ppl dont own a pc.
it's 2015 c'mon, ask around someone will give u an old pc.
Stating the obvious here, but some people seem to need it... You do realise that owning any PC doesn't automatically mean you can play any and all games on it? Or, in other words, not owning a gaming PC isn't the same as not owning a PC at all...
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2735
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Posted - 2015.05.09 03:05:00 -
[58] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
New hardware is blingy for a little while, but good code is sexy forever.
PSN: RationalSpark
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3159
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Posted - 2015.05.09 10:55:00 -
[59] - Quote
This Mac I'm typing on right now could play a good 70% of the games out there decently, still, I almost never used it for gaming, besides for Civilizations and some old RTS/Strategy game. It's simply so..."uncomfortable" to me.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5886
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Posted - 2015.05.09 11:07:00 -
[60] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
The guy who writes your paycheck.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
362
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Posted - 2015.05.09 12:07:00 -
[61] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
If this ip moves to pc it better have a crapton more depth than dust offers. And dont mention Legion that was just a reskin of dust. Give me a full on mmo shooter without rounds with pve and pvp components. Thats right those devs need to be working on a shooter component for eve on pc with station and planet environments that can be joined by players on a ps4.
Not asking alot am i? Lol
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
I don't care so neither should you :)
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Fluffy Exterminatus
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
25
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Posted - 2015.05.09 13:21:00 -
[62] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
LOL Hasnt anyone mentioned Project Legion or was the Rougue Wedding before your time?
That being said 90% of people would still play it and PS4 aready behind PCs so not worth betting on
Blood flows. Death comes. War rages
(Verified/Certified and Insured by Djinn Kujo and KingThunderBlueballs)
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David Spd
Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2015.05.09 18:27:00 -
[63] - Quote
Lot of people posting here seem to be ignorant of the fact there's already a PC version in the works.
It's called Legion. Derp.
--> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <--
"Other people just complicate my life." ~Solid Snake
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3163
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Posted - 2015.05.09 21:01:00 -
[64] - Quote
David Spd wrote:Lot of people posting here seem to be ignorant of the fact there's already a PC version in the works.
It's called Legion. Derp.
I'll just leave this here...
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Pseudogenesis
Nos Nothi
2786
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:13:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
Wink wink, hint hint, nudge nudge, stab stab
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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NextDark Knight
Molon Labe.
RUST415
796
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
AIM Bots!!!
No AIM Bots please... Already bad enough it's slightly possible on the PS3, The PC anyone can do it.
Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
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Weary Guy
12
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Posted - 2015.05.11 09:08:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
dat loss in playerbase
dat aimbots
PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't
PC aimbot
more PC aimbot
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8597
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:06:00 -
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Weary Guy wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? dat loss in playerbase dat aimbots PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't PC aimbot more PC aimbot
Aimbots can be dealt with.
Easily, in fact.
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5899
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:13:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Weary Guy wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? dat loss in playerbase dat aimbots PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't PC aimbot more PC aimbot Aimbots can be dealt with. Easily, in fact.
And yet people still run into them every day in Counter-Strike, even at a professional level, despite the fact that CS:GO costs money and getting banned has monetary implications.
You actually think CCP has the GM manpower to constantly monitor and ban accounts on a free to play game with any kind of effective speed? Naive.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Weary Guy
12
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:20:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Weary Guy wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? dat loss in playerbase dat aimbots PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't PC aimbot more PC aimbot Aimbots can be dealt with. Easily, in fact. And yet people still run into them every day in Counter-Strike, even at a professional level, despite the fact that CS:GO costs money and getting banned has monetary implications. You actually think CCP has the GM manpower to constantly monitor and ban accounts on a free to play game with any kind of effective speed? Naive.
Im with *scrolls up to read name* himiko on this one
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
635
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:34:00 -
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Weary Guy wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? dat loss in playerbase
PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't
Dude stop it. Dust wouldn't lose its playerbase, it would just lose the small group of console guys. And consoles are simplified game boxes so the consumer doesn't have to worry about if such n such game can run on their setup. Or without worrying about upgrading their system.
Bro did you even MS-DOS Wolfenstein?
Saying what's on people's minds
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Weary Guy
13
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Posted - 2015.05.11 10:58:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Weary Guy wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? dat loss in playerbase
PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't Dude stop it. Dust wouldn't lose its playerbase, it would just lose the small group of console guys. And consoles are simplified game boxes so the consumer doesn't have to worry about if such n such game can run on their setup. Or without worrying about upgrading their system. Bro did you even MS-DOS Wolfenstein?
how would dust compete against the vast majority of PC games out there.
Dust has been around playstation's store for a long time...in PC it would just be another new game and nothing more
PC isn't the master race, and i don't know what makes you think we would buy a PC just to play Dust. PS4, much more likely to happen.
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G Clone
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2015.05.11 11:12:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:The design decision to make this game on PS3 is questionable indeed. Developing a multiplayer game on a platform with lacking CPU (not GPU) performance is probably causing the game to bottleneck heavily. Just google "BF4 multiplayer CPU" and you will understand what I mean. Same bottleneck will apply to a PS4 port probably.
When will we see a PC beta of Dust 514? I know I am ready, are you?!
The projected value of the gaming-software market for 2016 is, depending on where you look, between 2.5x and 10x more on consoles than on PC.
CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
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BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
870
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Posted - 2015.05.11 11:22:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
Eve : Legion confirmed in 2016 !
YOU TUBEZ
BLOGZ
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The Lion ElJonson
1st Legion The Dark Angels
204
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Posted - 2015.05.11 12:40:00 -
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yea Battlefailed 4 was a ps4 release watered down for ps3 at the end of Sony's AAA ps3 releases. Dust is older than that, look at games released during Dust 514 on ps3, where are they now? Dust is already moving to the PC soon, the only problem with console release is how long the console lasts. If it was me personally i'd build a CCP console that only has New Eden games. Call it the Gate or Gateway or something or other
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
635
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Posted - 2015.05.11 12:46:00 -
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Weary Guy wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Weary Guy wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? dat loss in playerbase
PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't Dude stop it. Dust wouldn't lose its playerbase, it would just lose the small group of console guys. And consoles are simplified game boxes so the consumer doesn't have to worry about if such n such game can run on their setup. Or without worrying about upgrading their system. Bro did you even MS-DOS Wolfenstein? how would dust compete against the vast majority of PC games out there. Dust has been around playstation's store for a long time...in PC it would just be another new game and nothing more PC isn't the master race, and i don't know what makes you think we would buy a PC just to play Dust. PS4, much more likely to happen.
Dude this is going to sound insensitive but I could care less if console players decide to buy a PC or not. The same as I don't care if you buy an X1 over PS4. I know plenty of EVE players and Dust players would go PC. I'm willing to bet there are a lot more PC guys who bought a PS3 to play Dust than you think.
Master race bro? Dude don't be a 5th grader pimpled face fanboy bro. Dust would be awesome on PC! No limitations, CCP can shoot out patches and updates on the fly(good or bad), and the maps alone would be bad ass!
Don't think selfishly dude. PC is capable to make Dust EXACTLY what we all want. Plus its not expensive to buy a premade gaming rig or not hard to build your own bro.
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The Lion ElJonson
1st Legion The Dark Angels
204
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Posted - 2015.05.11 12:57:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Weary Guy wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Weary Guy wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? dat loss in playerbase
PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't Dude stop it. Dust wouldn't lose its playerbase, it would just lose the small group of console guys. And consoles are simplified game boxes so the consumer doesn't have to worry about if such n such game can run on their setup. Or without worrying about upgrading their system. Bro did you even MS-DOS Wolfenstein? how would dust compete against the vast majority of PC games out there. Dust has been around playstation's store for a long time...in PC it would just be another new game and nothing more PC isn't the master race, and i don't know what makes you think we would buy a PC just to play Dust. PS4, much more likely to happen. Dude this is going to sound insensitive but I could care less if console players decide to buy a PC or not. The same as I don't care if you buy an X1 over PS4. I know plenty of EVE players and Dust players would go PC. I'm willing to bet there are a lot more PC guys who bought a PS3 to play Dust than you think. Master race bro? Dude don't be a 5th grader pimpled face fanboy bro. Dust would be awesome on PC! No limitations, CCP can shoot out patches and updates on the fly(good or bad), and the maps alone would be bad ass! Don't think selfishly dude. PC is capable to make Dust EXACTLY what we all want. Plus its not expensive to buy a premade gaming rig or not hard to build your own bro.
If an EvE pilot starts playing Dust on PC then he/she is no longer playing EvE, i would buy a PC too play Dust as i did to play EvE but I would rather see Legion on the ps4.
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
636
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Posted - 2015.05.11 13:02:00 -
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Lol dude! Tit for tat huh?
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The Lion ElJonson
1st Legion The Dark Angels
205
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Posted - 2015.05.11 13:16:00 -
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no, just my opinion, to be quite honest i'm more interested in Project Legion, not what it will be released on, when how what why were means sweet FA to me. I'm happy knowing Devs are working on a now gen version and it's coming soon, i'm happy that the people working on it have had 2 years of trial and error, player feedback and ideas to recreate Dust as Project Legion. PC, Console? seriously i dont care, either way i can kill players which i really do love doing. Then only thing i would really really want is MLEX, so players are charged for playing or a Pass like GRPhantoms has.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
2076
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Posted - 2015.05.11 13:30:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote: No limitations, CCP can shoot out patches and updates on the fly(good or bad), and the maps alone would be bad ass!.
those "patching limitations" got lifted like a year ago
Spectral Clone wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? AMD A10 6800k Gigabyte GA-F2A55M-HD2 HyperX 1600 8GB RAM Cheap, but proud of it because I built it myself. At least the APU is clocked at 4Ghz. That PC will probably beat ps4 in performance, when DX12 is released (in DX12-compatible games at least).
unfortunately it wont. the ps4s gpu is compareable to a GTX 580/660/660Ti in terms of power and consumes half of the watts your PC does at load. beside that, directx12 is child play compared to the low level API the ps4 offers, it is just that only ps4 exclusive studios use it cause it is much easier and cheaper to water down a crossplattform game while using the high level API instead of optimize it for the low level API. |
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3172
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Posted - 2015.05.11 13:32:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:
Dude this is going to sound insensitive but I could care less if console players decide to buy a PC or not. The same as I don't care if you buy an X1 over PS4. I know plenty of EVE players and Dust players would go PC. I'm willing to bet there are a lot more PC guys who bought a PS3 to play Dust than you think.
Master race bro? Dude don't be a 5th grader pimpled face fanboy bro. Dust would be awesome on PC! No limitations, CCP can shoot out patches and updates on the fly(good or bad), and the maps alone would be bad ass!
Don't think selfishly dude. PC is capable to make Dust EXACTLY what we all want. Plus its not expensive to buy a premade gaming rig or not hard to build your own bro.
Indeed there have been people who did that. Still, it's an irrelevant number compared to those who never even heard of Eve before.
Dust has been literally flooded by former-MAG players that moved in stack: entire corporations, clans, groups of people. They also gradually left, but that's another story.
I don't know exactly what happened with other communities, but for what concern big EU communities there's usually an Eve player playing Dust every 100 players.
GAC had like more than 1000 players, but still only had 5-6 Eve players / former eve players.
In my corp, with over 500 players, we had 2 not-so-active Eve players, and it's more or less the same with all the other corps I know.
It's not that PC can handle what you, we want Dust to be while consoles can't. Actually, consoles can handle whatever Dust wants to be: as I said before, I'm pretty sure a ps4 could smoothly handle Eve at High settings.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
5901
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Posted - 2015.05.11 13:34:00 -
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CCP will never utilize the power of a PC even in this fantasy world where Legion actually becomes a thing.
The fact of the matter is that CCP has a policy of sitting on their thumbs and refusing to use new technology in order to cater to people who refuse to upgrade. EVE graphical effects have suffered for years due to this policy of neglect.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
637
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:35:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:
Dude this is going to sound insensitive but I could care less if console players decide to buy a PC or not. The same as I don't care if you buy an X1 over PS4. I know plenty of EVE players and Dust players would go PC. I'm willing to bet there are a lot more PC guys who bought a PS3 to play Dust than you think.
Master race bro? Dude don't be a 5th grader pimpled face fanboy bro. Dust would be awesome on PC! No limitations, CCP can shoot out patches and updates on the fly(good or bad), and the maps alone would be bad ass!
Don't think selfishly dude. PC is capable to make Dust EXACTLY what we all want. Plus its not expensive to buy a premade gaming rig or not hard to build your own bro.
Indeed there have been people who did that. Still, it's an irrelevant number compared to those who never even heard of Eve before. Dust has been literally flooded by former-MAG players that moved in stack: entire corporations, clans, groups of people. They also gradually left, but that's another story. I don't know exactly what happened with other communities, but for what concern big EU communities there's usually an Eve player playing Dust every 100 players. GAC had like more than 1000 players, but still only had 5-6 Eve players / former eve players. In my corp, with over 500 players, we had 2 not-so-active Eve players, and it's more or less the same with all the other corps I know. It's not that PC can handle what you, we want Dust to be while consoles can't. Actually, consoles can handle whatever Dust wants to be: as I said before, I'm pretty sure a ps4 could smoothly handle Eve at High settings.
So bro, basically all I hear is that the playerbase would be even less because the beloved small console playerbase is the lifeblood of this game. That's ridiculous dude. CCP announcing that Dust was coming to console was heartbreaking to a larger, dedicated playerbase who were anticipating a PC release.
Dude why argue over bullet points when the blatant truth is that Dust would look and play better on PC?? Why, as a gamer and professed fan of Dust, do you want to keep it limited? Dude I don't understand that.
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The Lion ElJonson
1st Legion The Dark Angels
206
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:00:00 -
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actually dude bro, Dust would be a billion times better on PS4, XB1 and PC, fact of the matter IT IS BEING RELEASED ON PC so really your arguing for something thats already happening.
You want to really make this game epic release it on the WII plus.
(warning my statement may contain lies)
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
RUST415
1143
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:43:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
Well it's not like I've been buying AUR for the last long stretch because of a variety of decisions that CCP has made, but a PC port constitutes an abandonment of the current player base. It was the same way with Legion. Sure, it can be done, but don't expect people to be pleased.
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
10010
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:46:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:current player base Which is, what, 2k active players now? Develop PC, put Legion on Steam, and you will make those players back on launch day twice over and then some.
This isn't chess, it is checkers. PC all the way.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3173
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:52:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:
So bro, basically all I hear is that the playerbase would be even less because the beloved small console playerbase is the lifeblood of this game. That's ridiculous dude. CCP announcing that Dust was coming to console was heartbreaking to a larger, dedicated playerbase who were anticipating a PC release.
Dude why argue over bullet points when the blatant truth is that Dust would look and play better on PC?? Why, as a gamer and professed fan of Dust, do you want to keep it limited? Dude I don't understand that.
It's clear that Dust *could* be infinite times better on PC (and, actually you may want to take into account what kind of PC).
Still, talking as someone that doesn't want to see this game fails again, I'd say it is better to continue with Sony rather than move to PC and the reasons are multiple:
- The actual community is mostly formed by console gamers: most of them wouldn't play on PC because of their own choice, otherwise they wouldn't be playing this game on PS3.
- The F2P market on PC is simply saturated. If I'd wanted to, I could find dozens of F2P FPS on PC. Rattati may argue that Dust is different which is in part true, but this doesn't change one of the most important things in games: the fun factor. Different is not necessarily better.
- They already have a well-enstablished game on PC which may act as a self-competitor for Dust/Legion.
- The nature of Dust/Legion is competitive. It actually is better a console over a PC: everyone runs the same hardware, the same specs, the same game. There's nothing you could do to dramatically increase your personal performance, hence, it is much fairer.
- On the other hand, both Microsoft and Sony are trying to let their consoles be more and more accessible for indies and in general, much more dev-friendly. This means, for example, much shorter QA periods (which is actually 3 days for Sony)
- The closed nature of consoles also has its advantage points: you only have to develop on a specific hardware, meaning you know the specs of all the people playing your game, meaning you can both squeeze the system and optimize better.
Although if you have an uber-PC you'd have a photorealistic graphic at 60fps in Dust, it would be useless because it's going to be you and another hundred people who would eventually get bored sooner or later or you'd have to massively tune down your settings at "Dust 514" Level.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3173
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:current player base Which is, what, 2k active players now? Develop PC, put Legion on Steam, and you will make those players back on launch day twice over and then some. This isn't chess, it is checkers. PC all the way.
Not really, I mean, how many people left? I alone know 2k people that stopped playing, and it's certainly a much higher number. It may still be considered "Dust 514" community because I'm fairly sure that all of them would at least try the "second version".
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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The Lion ElJonson
1st Legion The Dark Angels
207
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:55:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:current player base Which is, what, 2k active players now? Develop PC, put Legion on Steam, and you will make those players back on launch day twice over and then some. This isn't chess, it is checkers. PC all the way.
Before you do that go to the forums for the top ten shooter featured on steam, you think you have trolls now? i'd rather play against myself than half of 'them'
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
10010
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Posted - 2015.05.11 17:02:00 -
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The Lion ElJonson wrote:Before you do that go to the forums for the top ten shooter featured on steam, you think you have trolls now? i'd rather play against myself than half of 'them' The only reason we don't have more trolls here is because the playerbase is microscopic. Any game, no matter how good, that has reasonable player population will have trolls, morons, and mouth-breathing twits. That's just online gaming, homie.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
RUST415
1143
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Posted - 2015.05.11 17:40:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:current player base Which is, what, 2k active players now? Develop PC, put Legion on Steam, and you will make those players back on launch day twice over and then some. This isn't chess, it is checkers. PC all the way.
Your rosy optimism belies your bias for CCP to abandon the people who actually believed in Dust. It could be a marginally okay business strategy, but they would be even bigger shitters than they already are if they did.
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
Have a pony
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
171
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:06:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:current player base Which is, what, 2k active players now? Develop PC, put Legion on Steam, and you will make those players back on launch day twice over and then some. This isn't chess, it is checkers. PC all the way. Your rosy optimism belies your bias for CCP to abandon the people who actually believed in Dust. It could be a marginally okay business strategy, but they would be even bigger shitters than they already are if they did.
I think the best answer would have been, "the one that is making Dust profitable NOW."
Thor's Emporium
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
641
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:20:00 -
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The Lion ElJonson wrote:actually dude bro, Dust would be a billion times better on PS4, XB1 and PC, fact of the matter IT IS BEING RELEASED ON PC so really your arguing for something thats already happening.
You want to really make this game epic release it on the WII plus.
(warning my statement may contain lies)
Lol you're a goofy lil dude bro.
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
641
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:21:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:
So bro, basically all I hear is that the playerbase would be even less because the beloved small console playerbase is the lifeblood of this game. That's ridiculous dude. CCP announcing that Dust was coming to console was heartbreaking to a larger, dedicated playerbase who were anticipating a PC release.
Dude why argue over bullet points when the blatant truth is that Dust would look and play better on PC?? Why, as a gamer and professed fan of Dust, do you want to keep it limited? Dude I don't understand that.
It's clear that Dust *could* be infinite times better on PC (and, actually you may want to take into account what kind of PC). Still, talking as someone that doesn't want to see this game fails again, I'd say it is better to continue with Sony rather than move to PC and the reasons are multiple: - The actual community is mostly formed by console gamers: most of them wouldn't play on PC because of their own choice, otherwise they wouldn't be playing this game on PS3. - The F2P market on PC is simply saturated. If I'd wanted to, I could find dozens of F2P FPS on PC. Rattati may argue that Dust is different which is in part true, but this doesn't change one of the most important things in games: the fun factor. Different is not necessarily better. - They already have a well-enstablished game on PC which may act as a self-competitor for Dust/Legion. - The nature of Dust/Legion is competitive. It actually is better a console over a PC: everyone runs the same hardware, the same specs, the same game. There's nothing you could do to dramatically increase your personal performance, hence, it is much fairer. - On the other hand, both Microsoft and Sony are trying to let their consoles be more and more accessible for indies and in general, much more dev-friendly. This means, for example, much shorter QA periods (which is actually 3 days for Sony) - The closed nature of consoles also has its advantage points: you only have to develop on a specific hardware, meaning you know the specs of all the people playing your game, meaning you can both squeeze the system and optimize better. Although if you have an uber-PC you'd have a photorealistic graphic at 60fps in Dust, it would be useless because it's going to be you and another hundred people who would eventually get bored sooner or later or you'd have to massively tune down your settings at "Dust 514" Level.
No male should be talking that much unless you're a dev bro.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
10012
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:23:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Your rosy optimism belies your bias for CCP to abandon the people who actually believed in Dust. It could be a marginally okay business strategy, but they would be even bigger shitters than they already are if they did. Bittervets are going to call CCP shitters no matter what CCP does  The difference being in one scenario they are shitters who can turn a profit and keep development going on a flexible platform they are familiar with (PC).
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Syeven Reed
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1209
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:26:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs?
Many (me) would prefer a PS4 port.
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Void Echo
Helix Order
Learning Alliance
2818
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Posted - 2015.05.11 19:28:00 -
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When CCP leaves dust completely and abandons it, they will never be welcomed into the consol market again, which is BTW at least 5x larger than the pc market cause millions on top of millions of people play on consol.
Closed Beta Vet.
CEO: Helix Order.
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
99
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Posted - 2015.05.11 19:40:00 -
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Would like too see it on a PS4 more honestly but if it goes to PC WELL I guess I'm getting one
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2324
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Posted - 2015.05.11 20:39:00 -
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Syeven Reed wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? Many (me) would prefer a PS4 port.
My tinfoil hat says ps4. Why, you ask?
Because simple marketing gimmicks i say!
DUST514 -----> DUSTPS4
Tada$$$$
Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.11 21:19:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:When CCP leaves dust completely and abandons it, they will never be welcomed into the consol market again, which is BTW at least 5x larger than the pc market cause millions on top of millions of people play on consol.
I too, make up numbers and statistics on the spot.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
10028
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Posted - 2015.05.11 22:00:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Void Echo wrote:When CCP leaves dust completely and abandons it, they will never be welcomed into the console market again, which is BTW at least 5x larger than the pc market cause millions on top of millions of people play on console. I too, make up numbers and statistics on the spot. What Himiko said.
There are something like 125,000,000 Steam users. That is just ONE venue for PC gamers to network and purchase games. GoG , Green Man Gaming, and others exist too. No idea what their numbers are like.
Compared to current gen console sales... XBONE is around 11mil, PS4 20mil, and WiiU 10mil. Total: 32mil current gen consoles sold. There are roughly 4 PC gamers for every console out there. If a company is looking for the larger market, they want PC.
@Ripley_Riley
"Ripley > Soraya" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3173
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Posted - 2015.05.11 23:41:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Void Echo wrote:When CCP leaves dust completely and abandons it, they will never be welcomed into the console market again, which is BTW at least 5x larger than the pc market cause millions on top of millions of people play on console. I too, make up numbers and statistics on the spot. What Himiko said. There are something like 125,000,000 Steam users. That is just ONE venue for PC gamers to network and purchase games. GoG , Green Man Gaming, and others exist too. No idea what their numbers are like. Compared to current gen console sales... XBONE is around 11mil, PS4 20mil, and WiiU 10mil. Total: 32mil current gen consoles sold. There are roughly 4 PC gamers for every console out there. If a company is looking for the larger market, they want PC.
Numbers and statistics are never wrong, what may be wrong is the guy who made them.
You are making the same mistake CCP did with the PS3:
"There are over 80 millions PS3s around the world!".
- Consider how many PCs exist.
- Then consider how many people could have signed up a Steam account.
- Now consider how many people could have signed up multiple Steam accounts.
- Now consider this: the vast majority of games played on Steam are Strategy/ manager and MMORPGs with a few highly played FPS (Arma, CS).
- Consider that a "much better" shooter right now (Planetside 2 on PC) has more or less the same active players of Dust514 on PS3. This alone should be enough to discourage CCP in porting Dust to PC. And even if there will always be more players on PC due to Eve players playing Dust/Legion, it would even be counterproductive for CCP: people would leave a subscription based game for a free to play.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Weary Guy
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:29:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Lol dude! Tit for tat huh?
why don't you think about the new equipment they would have to buy? New dev team, more licensing....not too mention the amount of PC hackers out there. Marketing? What about the vast majority of crappy PC's that cost as much as a PS3, yet the PS3 almost all the time with proper ventilation runs dust smoothly.
Want to play dust at 60fps on PC? Spend $1500+
On PS4? Spend $400, never have to worry about viruses by the way....don't have to replace parts
Alt char
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Void Echo
Helix Order
Learning Alliance
2818
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Posted - 2015.05.12 03:53:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Void Echo wrote:When CCP leaves dust completely and abandons it, they will never be welcomed into the console market again, which is BTW at least 5x larger than the pc market cause millions on top of millions of people play on console. I too, make up numbers and statistics on the spot. What Himiko said. There are something like 125,000,000 Steam users. That is just ONE venue for PC gamers to network and purchase games. GoG , Green Man Gaming, and others exist too. No idea what their numbers are like. Compared to current gen console sales... XBONE is around 11mil, PS4 20mil, and WiiU 10mil. Total: 32mil current gen consoles sold. There are roughly 4 PC gamers for every console out there. If a company is looking for the larger market, they want PC. Numbers and statistics are never wrong, what may be wrong is the guy who made them. You are making the same mistake CCP did with the PS3: "There are over 80 millions PS3s around the world!". - Consider how many PCs exist. - Then consider how many people could have signed up a Steam account. - Now consider how many people could have signed up multiple Steam accounts. - Now consider this: the vast majority of games played on Steam are Strategy/ manager and MMORPGs with a few highly played FPS (Arma, CS). - consider that an "online player" for steam, is not a playing player, as you can see here. In other words, Dota 2 alone covers half of the in-game players at its peak. - Consider that a "much better" shooter right now (Planetside 2 on PC) has more or less the same active players of Dust514 on PS3. This alone should be enough to discourage CCP in porting Dust to PC. And even if there will always be more players on PC due to Eve players playing Dust/Legion, it would even be counterproductive for CCP: people would leave a subscription based game for a free to play. Let's take a popular FPS and make a comparison: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - PC sales 0.33 mln - PS4 sales 6.44 mln - Xbox one sales 4.35 mln - PS3 sales 3.84 mln - Xbox 360 sales 3.71 you could make a prevision of an hypothetical next-gen only COD by simply adding old gen + current gen so that: PS4 = 10,28 Xbox One = 8,06
This guy gets it. FPSs are meant for consoles not pc.
Closed Beta Vet.
CEO: Helix Order.
I have the controlled anger, more dangerous than you.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2329
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:02:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Void Echo wrote:When CCP leaves dust completely and abandons it, they will never be welcomed into the console market again, which is BTW at least 5x larger than the pc market cause millions on top of millions of people play on console. I too, make up numbers and statistics on the spot. What Himiko said. There are something like 125,000,000 Steam users. That is just ONE venue for PC gamers to network and purchase games. GoG , Green Man Gaming, and others exist too. No idea what their numbers are like. Compared to current gen console sales... XBONE is around 11mil, PS4 20mil, and WiiU 10mil. Total: 32mil current gen consoles sold. There are roughly 4 PC gamers for every console out there. If a company is looking for the larger market, they want PC. Numbers and statistics are never wrong, what may be wrong is the guy who made them. You are making the same mistake CCP did with the PS3: "There are over 80 millions PS3s around the world!". - Consider how many PCs exist. - Then consider how many people could have signed up a Steam account. - Now consider how many people could have signed up multiple Steam accounts. - Now consider this: the vast majority of games played on Steam are Strategy/ manager and MMORPGs with a few highly played FPS (Arma, CS). - consider that an "online player" for steam, is not a playing player, as you can see here. In other words, Dota 2 alone covers half of the in-game players at its peak. - Consider that a "much better" shooter right now (Planetside 2 on PC) has more or less the same active players of Dust514 on PS3. This alone should be enough to discourage CCP in porting Dust to PC. And even if there will always be more players on PC due to Eve players playing Dust/Legion, it would even be counterproductive for CCP: people would leave a subscription based game for a free to play. Let's take a popular FPS and make a comparison: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - PC sales 0.33 mln - PS4 sales 6.44 mln - Xbox one sales 4.35 mln - PS3 sales 3.84 mln - Xbox 360 sales 3.71 you could make a prevision of an hypothetical next-gen only COD by simply adding old gen + current gen so that: PS4 = 10,28 Xbox One = 8,06 This guy gets it. FPSs are meant for consoles not pc.
FPS's are MEANT for PC, just so happens that r-tarded shiitweaseling dickfart console kiddies sperged enough that mom and dad bought them goldeneye and the industry's been crapping out dual makes for FPS ever since.
Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:46:00 -
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Ultimately console is the more stable environment for a AAA title in the long term but that is assuming a full development team which has the time and money to both bug fix and maintain a proper development cycle for keeping people entertained.
Dust has been development on a foundation of sand and is now growing only based on small rapid additions that can be made by a skeleton crew. This makes for a shortened life cycle and an overall unstable situation.
DO NOT PORT DUST.
Bring out Legion built properly as was planned and keep Dust operating on the skeleton crew it is now until we can talk about porting a real and complete game (Legion) over to PS4. CCP has dealt with enough bad press on their Dust adventures. They have a chance to iron out the whole situation a bit as well as build some trust with the console community through Valkyrie.
Choosing to port Dust directly to PC would probably not end well as it would be even less likely to compete with the FPS selection on PC as it is to compete with the emerging free to play arena on PS4.
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3508
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Posted - 2015.05.12 06:42:00 -
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Weary Guy wrote:
PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't
PS4 is a x86 system (PC) with pretty lackluster hardware. :)
What consoles are GOOD for, is pushing close to the metal APIs to the PC platform, which push for more CPU<->GPU multithreading in games. When DX12 and Vulkan comes out, PCs will be "optimized for gaming" just as much as a console is. But PCs will also be cheaper (or better performing per $), have bigger game libraries, can be used for other things than just gaming, better screens with high update rates and G-sync, vast array of inputs with mouse and keyboard, controller, joysticks or other. Superior in VR because: powerful GPUs. No fees to play online. Cheaper games in general (although potential larger cost at the start)
I can continue all day, but you kind of get the point: You cannot win the argument that next gen consoles are now a dumbed down/gimped x86 PC that costs more in the long term than a PC.
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
498
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Posted - 2015.05.12 07:07:00 -
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Corbina Ninja wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? he?
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn
3177
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Posted - 2015.05.12 13:36:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Weary Guy wrote:
PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't
PS4 is a x86 system (PC) with pretty lackluster hardware. :) What consoles are GOOD for, is pushing close to the metal APIs to the PC platform, which push for more CPU<->GPU multithreading in games. When DX12 and Vulkan comes out, PCs will be "optimized for gaming" just as much as a console is. But PCs will also be cheaper (or better performing per $), have bigger game libraries, can be used for other things than just gaming, better screens with high update rates and G-sync, vast array of inputs with mouse and keyboard, controller, joysticks or other. Superior in VR because: powerful GPUs. No fees to play online. Cheaper games in general (although potential larger cost at the start) I can continue all day, but you kind of get the point: You cannot win the argument that next gen consoles are now a dumbed down/gimped x86 PC that costs more in the long term than a PC.
Talking about PCs there's always an unknown factor: what PC?
People shouldn't trust DX12 that much, seriously. Vulkan is another story tho...
The problem is that nothing you said is wrong, but at the end of the day, is wrong the whole mindset. I could build a PC that performs better than a PS4 (on paper) for another 200-300 Gé¼, still the games I play on that PC are not optimized for my PC. I will end up playing the game with the same specs I have on consoles even tho my PC is more powerful, due to poor optimization. I would probably use compromises: I want a better framerate, I'd tune down the shadowing, turn anti-alias off etc. and wouldn't probably play the game like it's meant to be played. I mean, look at Project cars: if it wasn't for a slightly lower framerate on PS4 (on some builds, because it actually depends on your build), nobody would get the difference.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Darken-Sol
Intruder Excluder
1988
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Posted - 2015.05.12 15:09:00 -
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PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:I'm ready for Dust on PC =ƒÿë
There is dust on my pc. Both actually. I just have no use for them
Crush them
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