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xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3143	Posted - 2015.05.08 13:00:00 - [1] - Quote More than that, It is a matter of audience: would you ever make a game that would drive away players from your other game? PS4 is actually a "closed PC". no strange architecture, nothing exotic, just a normal dedicated PC: if they're good at doing games on PC, they'll be good making games on PS4. Moreover...8GB GDDR5 unified memory is something that all of the developers would love. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3146	Posted - 2015.05.08 13:10:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? I don't know if you know him, but it's probably this guy Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3149	Posted - 2015.05.08 14:52:00 - [3] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? I just wish you guys (royal "you" -- this is probably above your pay grade) would start talking about the long-term plans. Don't develop a port in a secrecy bubble. And, I'd add, if you are actually going to develop anything, please, let us know what platform you chose. Spill the beans ratman- remember, psychic damage is super effective over normal type Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3150	Posted - 2015.05.08 16:16:00 - [4] - Quote Just donated 10 Gé¼ to the ps4 cause. (yeah, it's just a bump) Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3151	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:34:00 - [5] - Quote Aiwha Bait wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Kain Spero wrote: I think a port to PS4 would make much more sense given our established community, but either way Dust needs to go x86. In a perfect world, we would see the next gen EVE FPS being developed in DirectX 12/Vulkan API. That would enable HUGE fights in multiplayer, like 1000 vs 1000 players. EVE is an obvious game that would benefit greatly from DX12 as well, I hope CCP are already exploring that route. ;) Assuming we have the player base for such fights. It would be embarrassing to be able to have 1k v 1k fights, and only have a total of like 500 show up. :/ Considering how the actual Dust514 is, it will be an endless cold war, where no faction will ever push Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3158	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:39:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Who wouldn't want to see DUST on another platform, with multi-threaded processors, 10x memory, GPU's that exceed CPU performance, fast HDs? 10x memory is 512*10 = 5120 5+1+2+0 = 8 which is casually the memory a PS4 has- Dust on PS4 Confirmed. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3159	Posted - 2015.05.09 10:55:00 - [7] - Quote This Mac I'm typing on right now could play a good 70% of the games out there decently, still, I almost never used it for gaming, besides for Civilizations and some old RTS/Strategy game. It's simply so..."uncomfortable" to me. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3163	Posted - 2015.05.09 21:01:00 - [8] - Quote David Spd wrote: Lot of people posting here seem to be ignorant of the fact there's already a PC version in the works. It's called Legion. Derp. I'll just leave this here... Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3172	Posted - 2015.05.11 13:32:00 - [9] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Dude this is going to sound insensitive but I could care less if console players decide to buy a PC or not. The same as I don't care if you buy an X1 over PS4. I know plenty of EVE players and Dust players would go PC. I'm willing to bet there are a lot more PC guys who bought a PS3 to play Dust than you think. Master race bro? Dude don't be a 5th grader pimpled face fanboy bro. Dust would be awesome on PC! No limitations, CCP can shoot out patches and updates on the fly(good or bad), and the maps alone would be bad ass! Don't think selfishly dude. PC is capable to make Dust EXACTLY what we all want. Plus its not expensive to buy a premade gaming rig or not hard to build your own bro. Indeed there have been people who did that. Still, it's an irrelevant number compared to those who never even heard of Eve before. Dust has been literally flooded by former-MAG players that moved in stack: entire corporations, clans, groups of people. They also gradually left, but that's another story. I don't know exactly what happened with other communities, but for what concern big EU communities there's usually an Eve player playing Dust every 100 players. GAC had like more than 1000 players, but still only had 5-6 Eve players / former eve players. In my corp, with over 500 players, we had 2 not-so-active Eve players, and it's more or less the same with all the other corps I know. It's not that PC can handle what you, we want Dust to be while consoles can't. Actually, consoles can handle whatever Dust wants to be: as I said before, I'm pretty sure a ps4 could smoothly handle Eve at High settings. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3173	Posted - 2015.05.11 16:52:00 - [10] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: So bro, basically all I hear is that the playerbase would be even less because the beloved small console playerbase is the lifeblood of this game. That's ridiculous dude. CCP announcing that Dust was coming to console was heartbreaking to a larger, dedicated playerbase who were anticipating a PC release. Dude why argue over bullet points when the blatant truth is that Dust would look and play better on PC?? Why, as a gamer and professed fan of Dust, do you want to keep it limited? Dude I don't understand that. It's clear that Dust could be infinite times better on PC (and, actually you may want to take into account what kind of PC). Still, talking as someone that doesn't want to see this game fails again, I'd say it is better to continue with Sony rather than move to PC and the reasons are multiple: - The actual community is mostly formed by console gamers: most of them wouldn't play on PC because of their own choice, otherwise they wouldn't be playing this game on PS3. - The F2P market on PC is simply saturated. If I'd wanted to, I could find dozens of F2P FPS on PC. Rattati may argue that Dust is different which is in part true, but this doesn't change one of the most important things in games: the fun factor. Different is not necessarily better. - They already have a well-enstablished game on PC which may act as a self-competitor for Dust/Legion. - The nature of Dust/Legion is competitive. It actually is better a console over a PC: everyone runs the same hardware, the same specs, the same game. There's nothing you could do to dramatically increase your personal performance, hence, it is much fairer. - On the other hand, both Microsoft and Sony are trying to let their consoles be more and more accessible for indies and in general, much more dev-friendly. This means, for example, much shorter QA periods (which is actually 3 days for Sony) - The closed nature of consoles also has its advantage points: you only have to develop on a specific hardware, meaning you know the specs of all the people playing your game, meaning you can both squeeze the system and optimize better. Although if you have an uber-PC you'd have a photorealistic graphic at 60fps in Dust, it would be useless because it's going to be you and another hundred people who would eventually get bored sooner or later or you'd have to massively tune down your settings at "Dust 514" Level. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3173	Posted - 2015.05.11 16:54:00 - [11] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: current player base Which is, what, 2k active players now? Develop PC, put Legion on Steam, and you will make those players back on launch day twice over and then some. This isn't chess, it is checkers. PC all the way. Not really, I mean, how many people left? I alone know 2k people that stopped playing, and it's certainly a much higher number. It may still be considered "Dust 514" community because I'm fairly sure that all of them would at least try the "second version". Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3173	Posted - 2015.05.11 23:41:00 - [12] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Void Echo wrote: When CCP leaves dust completely and abandons it, they will never be welcomed into the console market again, which is BTW at least 5x larger than the pc market cause millions on top of millions of people play on console. I too, make up numbers and statistics on the spot. What Himiko said. There are something like 125,000,000 Steam users. That is just ONE venue for PC gamers to network and purchase games. GoG , Green Man Gaming, and others exist too. No idea what their numbers are like. Compared to current gen console sales... XBONE is around 11mil, PS4 20mil, and WiiU 10mil. Total: 32mil current gen consoles sold. There are roughly 4 PC gamers for every console out there. If a company is looking for the larger market, they want PC. Numbers and statistics are never wrong, what may be wrong is the guy who made them. You are making the same mistake CCP did with the PS3: "There are over 80 millions PS3s around the world!". - Consider how many PCs exist. - Then consider how many people could have signed up a Steam account. - Now consider how many people could have signed up multiple Steam accounts. - Now consider this: the vast majority of games played on Steam are Strategy/ manager and MMORPGs with a few highly played FPS (Arma, CS). - Consider that a "much better" shooter right now (Planetside 2 on PC) has more or less the same active players of Dust514 on PS3. This alone should be enough to discourage CCP in porting Dust to PC. And even if there will always be more players on PC due to Eve players playing Dust/Legion, it would even be counterproductive for CCP: people would leave a subscription based game for a free to play. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Pwnycorn 3177	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:36:00 - [13] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Weary Guy wrote: PS4 was specifically built for gaming, PC isn't PS4 is a x86 system (PC) with pretty lackluster hardware. :) What consoles are GOOD for, is pushing close to the metal APIs to the PC platform, which push for more CPU<->GPU multithreading in games. When DX12 and Vulkan comes out, PCs will be "optimized for gaming" just as much as a console is. But PCs will also be cheaper (or better performing per $), have bigger game libraries, can be used for other things than just gaming, better screens with high update rates and G-sync, vast array of inputs with mouse and keyboard, controller, joysticks or other. Superior in VR because: powerful GPUs. No fees to play online. Cheaper games in general (although potential larger cost at the start) I can continue all day, but you kind of get the point: You cannot win the argument that next gen consoles are now a dumbed down/gimped x86 PC that costs more in the long term than a PC. Talking about PCs there's always an unknown factor: what PC? People shouldn't trust DX12 that much, seriously. Vulkan is another story tho... The problem is that nothing you said is wrong, but at the end of the day, is wrong the whole mindset. I could build a PC that performs better than a PS4 (on paper) for another 200-300 Gé¼, still the games I play on that PC are not optimized for my PC. I will end up playing the game with the same specs I have on consoles even tho my PC is more powerful, due to poor optimization. I would probably use compromises: I want a better framerate, I'd tune down the shadowing, turn anti-alias off etc. and wouldn't probably play the game like it's meant to be played. I mean, look at Project cars: if it wasn't for a slightly lower framerate on PS4 (on some builds, because it actually depends on your build), nobody would get the difference. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.

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