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BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.05 22:35:00 -
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Talon Paetznick II wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:korrah silain wrote:
Where exactly does it say it was "supposed" to be anything, and why can't we be heavy and gritty with melee weapons?
The New Eden universe is traditionally heavy and gritty. Dust takes place in the New Eden Universe. I expect it to it feel as such. Jumping over buildings and swinging around katanas, is not heavy and gritty. It's Destiny ****. It's Warframe ****. Just because something is cool, doesn't mean it has a place in every video game you play. To me, that stuff seems as out of place as a dragon or a chainsaw in Dust. but I want to ride into battle on a giant mechanical dragon.
Mech Dragons are machine base, THEY SHOULD BE ADDED.
And heat swords too.
And wormholes
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2015.05.06 00:07:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:
Gallente: tower shield/ one handed sword fits with their combat doctrine of preserving combatants life and emphasis on cqc
Caldari: said trifdent because its historically paired with nets, though any pole arm would do. I propose a net/ polearm for 2 reasons; it satisfies the requests on the boards I've seen for a stasis webifier equivalent, and it fits caldari doctrine(in as much as a melee weapon can) by immobilizing the enemy, thus stopping them from closing ranks with(theoretical) gunline allies, and can be used to strand someone out of covers...a sort of advance defense. Also spears have the longest reach of melee weapons traditionally used in warfare.
Minmitar whip: because again it can be used as a snare which harkens to their Savannah hunter heritage, and is more tactically versatile if we give it a drag effect.
Amaran great sword: with av capabilitys really brings home the idea of superiority when you can kick a vehicle...
There this introduces: a new av option, and three new tactics to work into the battlefield.
They are functionally different from knives and hypothetically could help balance commandos if we give them a speed boost now that I think of it...
Tower Shield + Sword
So basically a Sentinel with a long knife. Nothing new here.
Trident + ....net?
Again just longer range melee, the only thing that's new here would be the webifier effect, which doesn't require a melee weapon to actually be a thing.
Whip
A grab effect? Why? What's the advantage of pulling them in? What will do you do once you have them there? whip them at close range while they shoot your in the chest? Or do you stick with 'ensnare' which is again....basically a webifier, which doesn't and shouldn't be tied to a weapon.
Greatsword
Ah yes, so kinda like....Nova Knives, which already do some AV damage. Thing is not one does it because you can't keep up with a tank, or a dropship, or an LAV. Or better yet you DO stab a stationary LAV and it blows up and kills you in the process. But actually you should test this repeatedly. Your running around chasing HAVs with a knife will amuse everyone. Get some Yakkety Sax going. It'll be great.
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BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.06 00:44:00 -
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Quote:=Pokey DravonGreatsword
Ah yes, so kinda like....Nova Knives, which already do some AV damage. Thing is not one does it because you can't keep up with a tank, or a dropship, or an LAV. Or better yet you DO stab a stationary LAV and it blows up and kills you in the process. But actually you should test this repeatedly. Your running around chasing HAVs with a knife will amuse everyone. Get some Yakkety Sax going. It'll be great.
You Blow up vehicles when you weaken them,say 20-110 than grenade, you don't continuously slash and kill yourself.
Swords I listed have different types on my thread have different range, damage, swings, and attack speed.
Did you even read my post, say really read it.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2015.05.06 00:45:00 -
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Oh read it. I just don't really see why we need to introduce entirely new weapon types for functions that can be easily obtained with existing weapons or variants of.
Its pointless to even talk about it. If we're not getting new HAV models or proper racial variants of AV weapons, then adding a slew of silly melee weapons is about as bottom of the priority list as you can get.
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BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.06 00:58:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Oh read it. I just don't really see why we need to introduce entirely new weapon types for functions that can be easily obtained with existing weapons or variants of.
Its pointless to even talk about it. If we're not getting new HAV models or proper racial variants of AV weapons, then adding a slew of silly melee weapons is about as bottom of the priority list as you can get.
Why use one tank than than the other.
Why add the combat and rail rifle
Why add new tanks
why add new game modes
why are the Devs adding Warp Gates.
So the Player doesn't get bored of the current stuff.
Even if I have to pay to use them, I would and will because I want to.
I don't spent much money on this game because its all the same.
What I'm saying is you add a gun, gives us more melee.
Agaim why add those two guns and tank, because people wanted them even when they weren't necessary.
Why not Swords,Lances, and a Hammer that sends out Shockwaves when it hits your shield.
Why...
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BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:03:00 -
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What would make Dust much more unique and different to other First-person shooters would be to have things from previous game and place them here.
Make Dust a Futuristic First-person shooters with multiple melee weapons.
What so wrong about that.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:10:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Oh read it. I just don't really see why we need to introduce entirely new weapon types for functions that can be easily obtained with existing weapons or variants of.
Its pointless to even talk about it. If we're not getting new HAV models or proper racial variants of AV weapons, then adding a slew of silly melee weapons is about as bottom of the priority list as you can get. Why use one tank than than the other. Why add the combat and rail rifle Why add new tanks why add new game modes why are the Devs adding Warp Gates. So the Player doesn't get bored of the current stuff. Even if I have to pay to use them, I would and will because I want to. I don't spent much money on this game because its all the same. What I'm saying is you add a gun, gives us more melee. Agaim why add those two guns and tank, because people wanted them even when they weren't necessary. Why not Swords,Lances, and a Hammer that sends out Shockwaves when it hits your shield. Why...
The Tanks and core racial rifles have always been necessary. I believe you will see case and point when Rattati releases the Amarr reskinned tanks. Either they will not have enough fitting capacity to make their 2/5 lay out worth it, or will have so much we can abuse it to high heaven. They are required for balance and are currently in, and have always been a part of, this game.
A sword and whip not so much required as desired.
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BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:14:00 -
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Quote:=True Adamance
The Tanks and core racial rifles have always been necessary. I believe you will see case and point when Rattati releases the Amarr reskinned tanks. Either they will not have enough fitting capacity to make their 2/5 lay out worth it, or will have so much we can abuse it to high heaven.
I know who(Meaning more, whom meaning 1) I'm abusing it on.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:24:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Quote:=True Adamance
The Tanks and core racial rifles have always been necessary. I believe you will see case and point when Rattati releases the Amarr reskinned tanks. Either they will not have enough fitting capacity to make their 2/5 lay out worth it, or will have so much we can abuse it to high heaven. I know who(Meaning more, whom meaning 1) I'm abusing it on.
Tanks as they exist now will not be able to destroy one another at worst unless they are caught during cool down and at best they will barely be different to the Gal HAV so go ahead and try.
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BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:29:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:BLOOD Ruler wrote:Quote:=True Adamance
The Tanks and core racial rifles have always been necessary. I believe you will see case and point when Rattati releases the Amarr reskinned tanks. Either they will not have enough fitting capacity to make their 2/5 lay out worth it, or will have so much we can abuse it to high heaven. I know who(Meaning more, whom meaning 1) I'm abusing it on. Tanks as they exist now will not be able to destroy one another at worst unless they are caught during cool down and at best they will barely be different to the Gal HAV so go ahead and try.
I would use under certain situations, like the guys I'm killing
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Posted - 2015.05.06 02:44:00 -
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I remember this conversation back from yesteryear
I remember advocating for a heavy melee weapon as well, funny how things come around full circle. Anyways, here is my idea, don't judge it until you give it some thought.
Nova Boulder, with successful lab demonstrations on Endor's moon, Allotek scientists have developed a new melee weapon by harnessing the quantum crystallization found within the crust to increase the viscosity of luminous waves to a stable solid. Friend Foe Identification allows safe handling for wielders who can use these as high intensity energy shields that also have the ability to roll over enemy infantry causing massive hemorrhaging. A secondary mode can also be activated by having wielders stand atop high places to push these down on unsuspecting foes.
MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
To help further the trend of soft sci fi, I also advocate for multi colored alien space chicks with "open minds", but animal mounts or pscionics work as well.
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BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.06 03:27:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I remember this conversation back from yesteryear
I remember advocating for a heavy melee weapon as well, funny how things come around full circle. Anyways, here is my idea, don't judge it until you give it some thought.
Nova Boulder, with successful lab demonstrations on Endor's moon, Allotek scientists have developed a new melee weapon by harnessing the quantum crystallization found within the crust to increase the viscosity of luminous waves to a stable solid. Friend Foe Identification allows safe handling for wielders who can use these as high intensity energy shields that also have the ability to roll over enemy infantry causing massive hemorrhaging. A secondary mode can also be activated by having wielders stand atop high places to push these down on unsuspecting foes.
MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
To help further the trend of soft sci fi, I also advocate for multi colored alien space chicks with "open minds", but animal mounts or pscionics work as well.
Nice
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:23:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I remember this conversation back from yesteryear
I remember advocating for a heavy melee weapon as well, funny how things come around full circle. Anyways, here is my idea, don't judge it until you give it some thought.
Nova Boulder, with successful lab demonstrations on Endor's moon, Allotek scientists have developed a new melee weapon by harnessing the quantum crystallization found within the crust to increase the viscosity of luminous waves to a stable solid. Friend Foe Identification allows safe handling for wielders who can use these as high intensity energy shields that also have the ability to roll over enemy infantry causing massive hemorrhaging. A secondary mode can also be activated by having wielders stand atop high places to push these down on unsuspecting foes.
MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
To help further the trend of soft sci fi, I also advocate for multi colored alien space chicks with "open minds", but animal mounts or pscionics work as well.
Similarly reasonable.
Katamari514?
The Amarr version should be a disco ball that shoots lasers.
The Gallente one must be on fire.
The Minmatar one has to be made of steel.
And the Caldari would be..........blue.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:28:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I remember this conversation back from yesteryear
I remember advocating for a heavy melee weapon as well, funny how things come around full circle. Anyways, here is my idea, don't judge it until you give it some thought.
Nova Boulder, with successful lab demonstrations on Endor's moon, Allotek scientists have developed a new melee weapon by harnessing the quantum crystallization found within the crust to increase the viscosity of luminous waves to a stable solid. Friend Foe Identification allows safe handling for wielders who can use these as high intensity energy shields that also have the ability to roll over enemy infantry causing massive hemorrhaging. A secondary mode can also be activated by having wielders stand atop high places to push these down on unsuspecting foes.
MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
To help further the trend of soft sci fi, I also advocate for multi colored alien space chicks with "open minds", but animal mounts or pscionics work as well. Similarly reasonable. Katamari514?
You ******* know it
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:30:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I remember this conversation back from yesteryear
I remember advocating for a heavy melee weapon as well, funny how things come around full circle. Anyways, here is my idea, don't judge it until you give it some thought.
Nova Boulder, with successful lab demonstrations on Endor's moon, Allotek scientists have developed a new melee weapon by harnessing the quantum crystallization found within the crust to increase the viscosity of luminous waves to a stable solid. Friend Foe Identification allows safe handling for wielders who can use these as high intensity energy shields that also have the ability to roll over enemy infantry causing massive hemorrhaging. A secondary mode can also be activated by having wielders stand atop high places to push these down on unsuspecting foes.
MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
To help further the trend of soft sci fi, I also advocate for multi colored alien space chicks with "open minds", but animal mounts or pscionics work as well. Similarly reasonable. Katamari514? You ******* know it
The Amarr version should be a disco ball that shoots lasers.
The Gallente one must be on fire.
The Minmatar one has to be made of steel.
And the Caldari would be..........blue.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:33:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I remember this conversation back from yesteryear
I remember advocating for a heavy melee weapon as well, funny how things come around full circle. Anyways, here is my idea, don't judge it until you give it some thought.
Nova Boulder, with successful lab demonstrations on Endor's moon, Allotek scientists have developed a new melee weapon by harnessing the quantum crystallization found within the crust to increase the viscosity of luminous waves to a stable solid. Friend Foe Identification allows safe handling for wielders who can use these as high intensity energy shields that also have the ability to roll over enemy infantry causing massive hemorrhaging. A secondary mode can also be activated by having wielders stand atop high places to push these down on unsuspecting foes.
MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
To help further the trend of soft sci fi, I also advocate for multi colored alien space chicks with "open minds", but animal mounts or pscionics work as well. Similarly reasonable. Katamari514? You ******* know it The Amarr version should be a disco ball that shoots lasers. The Gallente one must be on fire. The Minmatar one has to be made of steel. And the Caldari would be..........blue.
I don't think they quite understand Katamari Forever...
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:55:00 -
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Nova Cube confirmed.
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korrah silain
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Posted - 2015.05.06 05:44:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:korrah silain wrote:
Gallente: tower shield/ one handed sword fits with their combat doctrine of preserving combatants life and emphasis on cqc
Caldari: said trifdent because its historically paired with nets, though any pole arm would do. I propose a net/ polearm for 2 reasons; it satisfies the requests on the boards I've seen for a stasis webifier equivalent, and it fits caldari doctrine(in as much as a melee weapon can) by immobilizing the enemy, thus stopping them from closing ranks with(theoretical) gunline allies, and can be used to strand someone out of covers...a sort of advance defense. Also spears have the longest reach of melee weapons traditionally used in warfare.
Minmitar whip: because again it can be used as a snare which harkens to their Savannah hunter heritage, and is more tactically versatile if we give it a drag effect.
Amaran great sword: with av capabilitys really brings home the idea of superiority when you can kick a vehicle...
There this introduces: a new av option, and three new tactics to work into the battlefield.
They are functionally different from knives and hypothetically could help balance commandos if we give them a speed boost now that I think of it...
Tower Shield + Sword So basically a Sentinel with a long knife. Nothing new here. Trident + ....net? Again just longer range melee, the only thing that's new here would be the webifier effect, which doesn't require a melee weapon to actually be a thing. Whip A grab effect? Why? What's the advantage of pulling them in? What will do you do once you have them there? whip them at close range while they shoot your in the chest? Or do you stick with 'ensnare' which is again....basically a webifier, which doesn't and shouldn't be tied to a weapon. Greatsword Ah yes, so kinda like....Nova Knives, which already do some AV damage. Thing is not one does it because you can't keep up with a tank, or a dropship, or an LAV. Or better yet you DO stab a stationary LAV and it blows up and kills you in the process. But actually you should test this repeatedly. Your running around chasing HAVs with a knife will amuse everyone. Get some Yakkety Sax going. It'll be great.
Your assessments are innacurate or unfounded:
Shield and sword(gives directional HP boost on any suit not just sentinals its an option that can be employed differently in different situations on different suits your over simply location is flawed.
Net/polearm: why SHOULDNT a net be tied to a weapon? And immobilization is useful for any number of situations, quick get away, stranding opponent out of cover for Ally's to target.
Heavy sword: like the others say the melee is just to weaken, nades are for the finish.
Whip/snare: secondary is for support, can be used to bring people into the line if fire of your allies, or to delay an opponent so an ally can get into cover.
Seriously though as someone who successfully uses nk I can vouch melee is viable and more options will open up new approaches to combat. |
BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.06 05:59:00 -
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Quote:=Korrah silain
Seriously though as someone who successfully uses nk I can vouch melee is viable and more options will open up new approaches to combat.
As am I,
I concur with the Caldarian Lifeform. I find melee much more groundbreaking than another gun(Unless shockwave rifle and Darkmater or blackhole gun)
Its Fun, to bring a knife to a gunfight and even better winning in it.
I still find it awesome to die meleeing as I become peeve when dying while using a gun.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2015.05.06 07:35:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:
Your assessments are innacurate or unfounded:
Shield and sword(gives directional HP boost on any suit not just sentinals its an option that can be employed differently in different situations on different suits your over simply location is flawed.
Net/polearm: why SHOULDNT a net be tied to a weapon? And immobilization is useful for any number of situations, quick get away, stranding opponent out of cover for Ally's to target.
Heavy sword: like the others say the melee is just to weaken, nades are for the finish.
Whip/snare: secondary is for support, can be used to bring people into the line if fire of your allies, or to delay an opponent so an ally can get into cover.
Seriously though as someone who successfully uses nk I can vouch melee is viable and more options will open up new approaches to combat.
*sigh* Well I'm tired of bickering, clearly we're not going to see eye to eye so I'll just write it off as a disagreement on what kind of things actually fit the universe and what don't. I think this sort of thing completely tears apart a massive part of what I like about Dust, you seem to think these ideas fit in fine. Obviously a pretty clear fundamental difference in opinion.
But don't take it the wrong way when I say that I would likely quit Dust if this sort of stuff started popping up in-game. It would honestly ruin the experience for me in such a way that I would be disinclined to continue supporting or playing the game. All too often I see scope creep in games which have a very rich and vibrant universe that is ruined by things that are either out of place or taken to such an extreme that it betrays the setting.
I suppose I find it unsettling when games try to incorporate elements from other games "because it's cool" even if it doesn't really fit the original theme. I'm a big fan of RPGs, particularly sci-fi ones, so story and setting are by far the most important aspects of a game to me. So even if an element mechanically works to alter gameplay in a meaningful manner, if it ruins the setting or tone of the game, it ruins the game for me.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.05.06 08:11:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:korrah silain wrote:
You probably meant blithering idiot, not blubbering which would be OK if you weren't trying to get on a high horse about grammar and intellect...
No, I meant blubbering. As in you're as dumb as my child's fat. you are all being children are we going to address each others arguments on their merits or just continue with some variation of "I'm not dumb you are!" All night?
Well, I already did, they went down this path. Which means mission accomplished.
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:BLOOD Ruler wrote:
Why would you conceal a sword if you're going on the battle field to kill me
a sword in a conflict of GUNS AND ******* TANKS doesn't make sense you nitwit. You're the nitwit, how the heck is a ******* knife better and has more logic destroying a tank than a Sword or something as else. A Nova sword or a condensed blazing sword sounds and looks more like it makes sense, you augment is flaw and ridiculous.
A knife can be consealed much better, hence why it can be easily used as a sidearm. a knife can be swung faster, making it being able to have a high DPS, making it able to reasonably kill lightly armored targets in a short period of time. knives also are a lot of the time used in comparable ranges to other sidearms.
a ******* sword has none of the above.
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.05.06 08:17:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:It's not really a tactical shooter when nearly anyone can carry around 6+ nanohives worth of more ammo than they will ever need under normal circumstances.
We have enough BS cartoon **** with myofibs, the last thing we need is for the game to turn into freaking Warframe with people bouncing all over the place with katanas.
Work in progress, amirite 
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Godin Thekiller
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Posted - 2015.05.06 08:28:00 -
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I just have one good question then to end this: Would you rather use a sword and shield over a rifle in actual real world combat.?
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BLOOD Ruler
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Posted - 2015.05.06 10:36:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I just have one good question then to end this: Would you rather use a sword and shield over a rifle in actual real world combat.?
High tech Sword and a shield is good so you don't get hit in the face because your weak force field couldn't stand.
My playstyle consist of using the Nk more than my Breach Pistol
Again... High tech melee and physical shields not seeing that being bad.
Yes I would.
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korrah silain
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Posted - 2015.05.06 17:13:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:korrah silain wrote:
Your assessments are innacurate or unfounded:
Shield and sword(gives directional HP boost on any suit not just sentinals its an option that can be employed differently in different situations on different suits your over simply location is flawed.
Net/polearm: why SHOULDNT a net be tied to a weapon? And immobilization is useful for any number of situations, quick get away, stranding opponent out of cover for Ally's to target.
Heavy sword: like the others say the melee is just to weaken, nades are for the finish.
Whip/snare: secondary is for support, can be used to bring people into the line if fire of your allies, or to delay an opponent so an ally can get into cover.
Seriously though as someone who successfully uses nk I can vouch melee is viable and more options will open up new approaches to combat.
*sigh* Well I'm tired of bickering, clearly we're not going to see eye to eye so I'll just write it off as a disagreement on what kind of things actually fit the universe and what don't. I think this sort of thing completely tears apart a massive part of what I like about Dust, you seem to think these ideas fit in fine. Obviously a pretty clear fundamental difference in opinion. But don't take it the wrong way when I say that I would likely quit Dust if this sort of stuff started popping up in-game. It would honestly ruin the experience for me in such a way that I would be disinclined to continue supporting or playing the game. All too often I see scope creep in games which have a very rich and vibrant universe that is ruined by things that are either out of place or taken to such an extreme that it betrays the setting. I suppose I find it unsettling when games try to incorporate elements from other games "because it's cool" even if it doesn't really fit the original theme. I'm a big fan of RPGs, particularly sci-fi ones, so story and setting are by far the most important aspects of a game to me. So even if an element mechanically works to alter gameplay in a meaningful manner, if it ruins the setting or tone of the game, it ruins the game for me.
I respect your maturity and our difference in opinion pokey, and for the record I doubt the devs are going to move on this but its still a cool idea. |
BLOOD Ruler
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Yes, if anything this is a 2yr time before I see this.
But with Rattati, I would say 9- 14 months.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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This convo is mainly about the world of soft sci fi vs hard sci fi. Which is what my original post was attempting to hit in a humorous way. The Eve Universe tries hard to keep its sci fi on the harder side of the spectrum. They even have a rational explanation as to why we can keep our memories/experience upon death. Most other games just hand wave this.
I fence, I go shooting, I like weapons, I like the history of weapons and reading about future weapon technology plausibility. In no way shape or form would a sword be superior in any given situation as it exists in a world with guns of equal technology. To do so would be to reduce the hardness of the sci fi and into fantasy.
I don't think people truly appreciate how effective guns really are. Within current tech, our unaided bare fist punches as humans have more force and energy behind it than a bullet from a gun. Yet it is the bullet from the gun that kills, because the gun is not restricted by human limitations and dispersion. Its able to concentrate its force onto a smaller area.
So now with energy weapons, you have a weapon that spends a fraction of the energy for a millisecond, which can cover vast distances once it leaves its point of origin vs a theoretical energy sword that is burning away its energy for a much longer period over its entire blade spreading out the energy. So swords automatically do less damage with the same level of energy. Plus having that kind of energy so close to your own body is also equally dangerous, whereas in a gun the energy is safely compartmentalize away from the user. Even for non energy sword concepts like monomolecular blades, Van der Waals forces would cause the two pieces to reconnect again, so that isn't really feasible either.
Effective distance, essentially at the distance guns are no longer effective, swords are no longer effective. I know this entirely based on my fencing/sparing. Once you are within grappling range, you are able to manipulate your opponents melee hand or can outmaneuver it with a dagger. And any attack against an unsuspecting opponent with a melee weapon is equally taken care of if not done better by the use of a dagger due to the increased mobility to target more critical areas. So daggers definitely have an advantage here where guns or swords would have much less.
Mass effect, star wars, etc are examples of soft sci fi / space fantasies, where real world physics and tactics are changed for the sake of the "rule of cool". Eve tries to stay away from the rule of cool, which is why I think large melee weapons wouldn't fit into Eve's theme.
I am not saying large sci fi melee weapons aren't cool, they are as they appeal to our simplistic and biological understanding of violence, its why bone in thickest in our foreheads than other parts of our skull because we evolved to get punched and not shot when we get into fights. But large melee weapons are definitely apart of the space fantasy / soft sci fi culture rather than the hard sci fi culture due to how technology has outpaced our biological evolution.
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Godin Thekiller
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I just have one good question then to end this: Would you rather use a sword and shield over a rifle in actual real world combat.? High tech Sword and a shield is good so you don't get hit in the face because your weak force field couldn't stand. My playstyle consist of using the Nk more than my Breach Pistol Again... High tech melee and physical shields not seeing that being bad. Unless mercs act dumb Yes I would use it and this is a game.... Set eras after Earths leave. Your telling me sword and shield is meaningless, you can't think a shield is worthless(Riot shield-True) Your augment still looks like sheer ignorance out for someting you just don't want others to have for dumb reasons. Again you are in battle with mercs who will kill you for isk, they know you're a clone, what does a conceal knife have to do with that. Knife in public, Sword on field. Sticking with my augment. Godin Thekiller wrote:A ******* sword has none of the above. Which sword type?
1: Shields made to be able to fit reasonably within a shield would be weaker than the shielding within a Scout suit, same for Armor. You can't just simply say "Oh, it'll be better because reasons". That makes zero sense. Also, **** your hi tech shield, my hi tech rifle will shoot straight through it.
2: I don't give a **** about your playstyle, a firearm has consistantly been proven to be VASTLY better than a bladed weapon. This has been proven time and time again, over actual history, and in SEVERAL video games.
3: Riot shield and a sword and shield is two separate things. Don't even try and act as if they are the same thing.
4: You think a melee weapon is more suitable than a rifle. Okay, find a time machine, ask all those slain tribal warriors in Latin/South America and the Sub-Saharan Africa regions and ask them how much better their swords was vs. dem boom sticks.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 22:26:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:BLOOD Ruler wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I just have one good question then to end this: Would you rather use a sword and shield over a rifle in actual real world combat.? High tech Sword and a shield is good so you don't get hit in the face because your weak force field couldn't stand. My playstyle consist of using the Nk more than my Breach Pistol Again... High tech melee and physical shields not seeing that being bad. Unless mercs act dumb Yes I would use it and this is a game.... Set eras after Earths leave. Your telling me sword and shield is meaningless, you can't think a shield is worthless(Riot shield-True) Your augment still looks like sheer ignorance out for someting you just don't want others to have for dumb reasons. Again you are in battle with mercs who will kill you for isk, they know you're a clone, what does a conceal knife have to do with that. Knife in public, Sword on field. Sticking with my augment. Godin Thekiller wrote:A ******* sword has none of the above. Which sword type? 1: Shields made to be able to fit reasonably within a shield would be weaker than the shielding within a Scout suit, same for Armor. You can't just simply say "Oh, it'll be better because reasons". That makes zero sense. Also, **** your hi tech shield, my hi tech rifle will shoot straight through it. 2: I don't give a **** about your playstyle, a firearm has consistantly been proven to be VASTLY better than a bladed weapon. This has been proven time and time again, over actual history, and in SEVERAL video games. 3: Riot shield and a sword and shield is two separate things. Don't even try and act as if they are the same thing. 4: You think a melee weapon is more suitable than a rifle. Okay, find a time machine, ask all those slain tribal warriors in Latin/South America and the Sub-Saharan Africa regions and ask them how much better their swords was vs. dem boom sticks.
To clarify Riot Shields are believable, to some very small degree, as weapons but they themselves are only used to protect police from thrown objects, bludgeoning attacks, and maybe ricochets. They will not OHKO dropsuits or even inflict much more damage than a punch if used to attack and should ideally always be used with a Secondary Fire Arm.
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