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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:36:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:BLOOD Ruler wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:1: Why the hell would someone bring a sword to a gunfight?
2: sword and katana are functionally the exact same thing. Hell, sword is just a type of weapon, you could say that a katana is in fact a sword.
3: Not every race would design their melee weapons off of nova tech (well, Gallente might, but I doubt they would specifically use it). You're a dumb fool, you should never bring a gun to a knife fight with the dude who can get near you in a second thanks to Kin cat. You should post on the Ultimate Melee Weapon Discussion thread, Talon Paetznick II, more support is needed in getting more melee weapons. I mean come on mate, a gun has limits and it would be something people could spend boosters on to skill and max it. Don't be a melee hater, don't be a skill hater. Stick with your petty gun and I will stick this in your skull. Melee FOR LIFE!!! I Disprove Against Guns, The Sword is True Might. NK's are valid sidearms, used all the time in many armies of today, and will probably be used in armies of tomorrow, not only due to their utility, but due to being quiet, which NK's generally match. They are, however, idiotic primaries. You're pushing for them to essentially make primary NK's. That's silly. But I'm dumb. kk a gun has much less limits than a sword does. can you swing a sword at something 50m away? Adding **** is fine, skilled for **** at that. Unnecessary and just plain silly **** is not. For the lulz isn't a valid reason to add things when there's tons of other actually decent things that actually needs to be put into the game.
Meh if I can get a Riot Shield or a Submission/Shock Maul (aka super powered night stick) no issue to be had. Police and Military Personnel use these every now and then.
However.....
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.04 21:45:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Godin Thekiller, I find your lack of faith disturbing. Swords are better than knives and I'm talking about adding more melee weapons, not just swords. Skilled melee users play better than gun-users
No they aren't. I'll admit that small number of applications in the melee range have merit like racial knives or riot shields but our characters exist in a universe with such inordinately powerful ranged technologies that running around with a sword over one shoulder is a ******* liability no practical corporate entity.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.05 00:46:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote: Skill melee users are definitively better killers than coward gun users.Any whom that says its impossible cannot think correctly.
I think is more or less the most asinine post containing utterly borked logic I think I've yet come across on these forums....and I regularly do forum battle with Spkr4thedead and Sir Dukey.......
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.05 01:33:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:BLOOD Ruler wrote:Godin Thekiller, I find your lack of faith disturbing. Swords are better than knives and I'm talking about adding more melee weapons, not just swords. Skilled melee users play better than gun-users I don't have faith in anything, faith is a silly thing to have. If said sword was a sidearm, it would make sense. But a sword as a sidearm just doesn't make sense. Also, swords aren't necessarily better than knives because they are bigger (the logic you're most likely using). And that's a stupid statement to make. Why would you conceal a sword if you're going on the battle field to kill mercs for money, knives in public but swords in conflict.
Why not also simply make knife swipes our standard melee attack like I've heard they used to be?
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.05 02:19:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:1: Why the hell would someone bring a sword to a gunfight?
The same reason that we bring knives. Because it is more fun than guns, is by and large more silent, and you know when you stab someone you either earn their respect, or make them rage. Winning. wow. Some people either can't read, or is just dumb. or both. Actually, if you are going to attempt to insult someone, particularly on intelligence, you should use proper grammar and punctuation. I would be happy to hear what I misread or didn't quite grasp however if you are insistent I am the one getting something wrong.
I find it quite to the contrary. I see no point in constructing a grammatically sound sentence structure for someone whom you have no respect.
Btr 2 uz da l33t spkz 4 dem nubltz wh0 dnt d3zrv ur tiem.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.05 04:57:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:It's not really a tactical shooter when nearly anyone can carry around 6+ nanohives worth of more ammo than they will ever need under normal circumstances.
We have enough BS cartoon **** with myofibs, the last thing we need is for the game to turn into freaking Warframe with people bouncing all over the place with katanas. Don't be a hater. And what pvp do we have? We kill players.
Just accept it dude some people don't like arcade-y sword swinging bullshit because it is "NOT" cool out of context in what should be a tactical shooter. As usually I can't argue with how Pokey does things.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.05 20:46:00 -
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korrah silain wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:korrah silain wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:korrah silain wrote:There's no real reason not to try it.also if you expand weapon types with other mechanics it will add a lot of variety. Can I get a gun that shoots out boxing gloves and waffles too? No real reason not to try it. I mean at what point in your mind does it change from "This is fine for Dust" to "That's unacceptable"? Once the new content doesn't add any gameplay. For example adding a new gun that shoots boxing gloves and waffles is just adding a new gun of which we have plenty. Is it going to have some special function or mechanic? Does it add counterplay against any strategy's out there? Does it open up new tactical options? Play styles? Is it anything other than a massive aggressive hyperboly used a a slippery sloe fallacy? No? Huh. And a sword offers a significant difference in gameplay compared to a knife? More damage, slower, and longer range? How is that anything more than a variant of the knife? Explain to me exactly how this will alter gameplay significantly. Convince me that further breaking the atmosphere and gameplay that brought me to Dust, is worth it. Sigh: *repost from ultimate melee board discussion* Gallente: tower shield/ one handed sword fits with their combat doctrine of preserving combatants life and emphasis on cqc Caldari: said trifdent because its historically paired with nets, though any pole arm would do. I propose a net/ polearm for 2 reasons; it satisfies the requests on the boards I've seen for a stasis webifier equivalent, and it fits caldari doctrine(in as much as a melee weapon can) by immobilizing the enemy, thus stopping them from closing ranks with(theoretical) gunline allies, and can be used to strand someone out of covers...a sort of advance defense. Also spears have the longest reach of melee weapons traditionally used in warfare. Minmitar whip: because again it can be used as a snare which harkens to their Savannah hunter heritage, and is more tactically versatile if we give it a drag effect. Amaran great sword: with av capabilitys really brings home the idea of superiority when you can kick a vehicle... There this introduces: a new av option, and three new tactics to work into the battlefield. They are functionally different from knives and hypothetically could help balance commandos if we give them a speed boost now that I think of it...
Yelling "counterplay" and "tactics" from the roof tops is fine but what does that mean? Why should the tone of this game that was gritty and dark suddenly shift to acade-y to accommodate these unbelievable weapons that continue to not make sense in a New Eden setting?
EDIT: Having read that response....... I genuinely cannot believe it. You consider a solo player rushing a gunline tactical and more over would suggest players attempt to do this on a Commando frame?
I uh...... I'm genuinely stumped.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:10:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Oh read it. I just don't really see why we need to introduce entirely new weapon types for functions that can be easily obtained with existing weapons or variants of.
Its pointless to even talk about it. If we're not getting new HAV models or proper racial variants of AV weapons, then adding a slew of silly melee weapons is about as bottom of the priority list as you can get. Why use one tank than than the other. Why add the combat and rail rifle Why add new tanks why add new game modes why are the Devs adding Warp Gates. So the Player doesn't get bored of the current stuff. Even if I have to pay to use them, I would and will because I want to. I don't spent much money on this game because its all the same. What I'm saying is you add a gun, gives us more melee. Agaim why add those two guns and tank, because people wanted them even when they weren't necessary. Why not Swords,Lances, and a Hammer that sends out Shockwaves when it hits your shield. Why...
The Tanks and core racial rifles have always been necessary. I believe you will see case and point when Rattati releases the Amarr reskinned tanks. Either they will not have enough fitting capacity to make their 2/5 lay out worth it, or will have so much we can abuse it to high heaven. They are required for balance and are currently in, and have always been a part of, this game.
A sword and whip not so much required as desired.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:24:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Quote:=True Adamance
The Tanks and core racial rifles have always been necessary. I believe you will see case and point when Rattati releases the Amarr reskinned tanks. Either they will not have enough fitting capacity to make their 2/5 lay out worth it, or will have so much we can abuse it to high heaven. I know who(Meaning more, whom meaning 1) I'm abusing it on.
Tanks as they exist now will not be able to destroy one another at worst unless they are caught during cool down and at best they will barely be different to the Gal HAV so go ahead and try.
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:28:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I remember this conversation back from yesteryear
I remember advocating for a heavy melee weapon as well, funny how things come around full circle. Anyways, here is my idea, don't judge it until you give it some thought.
Nova Boulder, with successful lab demonstrations on Endor's moon, Allotek scientists have developed a new melee weapon by harnessing the quantum crystallization found within the crust to increase the viscosity of luminous waves to a stable solid. Friend Foe Identification allows safe handling for wielders who can use these as high intensity energy shields that also have the ability to roll over enemy infantry causing massive hemorrhaging. A secondary mode can also be activated by having wielders stand atop high places to push these down on unsuspecting foes.
MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
To help further the trend of soft sci fi, I also advocate for multi colored alien space chicks with "open minds", but animal mounts or pscionics work as well. Similarly reasonable. Katamari514?
You ******* know it
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:33:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:I remember this conversation back from yesteryear
I remember advocating for a heavy melee weapon as well, funny how things come around full circle. Anyways, here is my idea, don't judge it until you give it some thought.
Nova Boulder, with successful lab demonstrations on Endor's moon, Allotek scientists have developed a new melee weapon by harnessing the quantum crystallization found within the crust to increase the viscosity of luminous waves to a stable solid. Friend Foe Identification allows safe handling for wielders who can use these as high intensity energy shields that also have the ability to roll over enemy infantry causing massive hemorrhaging. A secondary mode can also be activated by having wielders stand atop high places to push these down on unsuspecting foes.
MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP!!
To help further the trend of soft sci fi, I also advocate for multi colored alien space chicks with "open minds", but animal mounts or pscionics work as well. Similarly reasonable. Katamari514? You ******* know it The Amarr version should be a disco ball that shoots lasers. The Gallente one must be on fire. The Minmatar one has to be made of steel. And the Caldari would be..........blue. I don't think they quite understand Katamari Forever...
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 22:26:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:BLOOD Ruler wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I just have one good question then to end this: Would you rather use a sword and shield over a rifle in actual real world combat.? High tech Sword and a shield is good so you don't get hit in the face because your weak force field couldn't stand. My playstyle consist of using the Nk more than my Breach Pistol Again... High tech melee and physical shields not seeing that being bad. Unless mercs act dumb Yes I would use it and this is a game.... Set eras after Earths leave. Your telling me sword and shield is meaningless, you can't think a shield is worthless(Riot shield-True) Your augment still looks like sheer ignorance out for someting you just don't want others to have for dumb reasons. Again you are in battle with mercs who will kill you for isk, they know you're a clone, what does a conceal knife have to do with that. Knife in public, Sword on field. Sticking with my augment. Godin Thekiller wrote:A ******* sword has none of the above. Which sword type? 1: Shields made to be able to fit reasonably within a shield would be weaker than the shielding within a Scout suit, same for Armor. You can't just simply say "Oh, it'll be better because reasons". That makes zero sense. Also, **** your hi tech shield, my hi tech rifle will shoot straight through it. 2: I don't give a **** about your playstyle, a firearm has consistantly been proven to be VASTLY better than a bladed weapon. This has been proven time and time again, over actual history, and in SEVERAL video games. 3: Riot shield and a sword and shield is two separate things. Don't even try and act as if they are the same thing. 4: You think a melee weapon is more suitable than a rifle. Okay, find a time machine, ask all those slain tribal warriors in Latin/South America and the Sub-Saharan Africa regions and ask them how much better their swords was vs. dem boom sticks.
To clarify Riot Shields are believable, to some very small degree, as weapons but they themselves are only used to protect police from thrown objects, bludgeoning attacks, and maybe ricochets. They will not OHKO dropsuits or even inflict much more damage than a punch if used to attack and should ideally always be used with a Secondary Fire Arm.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 23:47:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Someone trying to actally use a full on riot shield (not the mobile ones, I'm talking mil spec combat shields) are eiteher stong as **** or just dumb
Well I mean..... spine supporting powered exoskeletons with biologically enhanced bones, muscles, and nanite infused blood flows chock full of performance enhancing drugs of such a quantity it doesn't matter if we overdose........ we are kinda stronk.
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